Here is some info from AICN on the next 2 episodes. Normally I would post this in rumours, but a couple of things in this reviews match with what I've been told off the record as well, and AICN's track record this Season has been very good.
The “Lost” season finale is out there. Someone billing himself as “lostfan108” just sent us what appears to be the whole shebang, this week’s episode and next’s. If it’s fakery, it’s one of the best forgeries I’ve ever seen in my long tenure here at Ain’t It Cool News. I was thinking it might even be an elaborate foiler manufactured by the “Lost” writers, but candidly it’s too good to waste on fooling us. Many details on this week’s episode – heretofore unrevealed details we’ll be able to confirm on Wednesday - are included, adding to the missive’s air of legitimacy.
If it’s legitimate, as I believe it to be, the season finale contains by far the biggest reveal of any season finale yet.
What ABC is not telling us:
* We do not get a lot more information this season about Richard Alpert and the island’s other natives.
* We do not get a lot more information this season on the Dharma Initiative or the Hanso Foundation.
* We do not learn a lot more this season about Jacob.
* We don’t learn more about the four-toed statue.
* Christian Shepherd is not discovered alive.
* Libby does not appear.
* We will learn something huge about Kate.
* We get a major clue related to the “other” Oceanic 815 that boasted no survivors.
* We’ll be meeting new characters, but not in flashbacks.
* Rousseau’s original Frenchy broadcast from the pilot plays a role this week.
* There is much death in the finale.
* Yet another original cast member goes the way of Boone and Shannon.
* But, get this, another of the original regulars returns. And that regular is not listed among ABC’s cast list.
* We will see Terry O’Quinn at least one more time before the season ends.
* We see a new side of Hurley.
* Desmond does not sacrifice himself to save Charlie.
* There’s a big surprise involving Naomi and Penelope.
* The huge huge huge HUGE season-ending reveal resides in Jack’s very dark flashbacks, so watch them very carefully.
* Between now and 2008, fans may scratch holes in their heads wondering how this show is going to continue next season.
Source: AICN
UPDATE: There has been a few updates to the original that I will list here
* Julie Bowen contributes much to Jack's darkness
* The game-changer may well make sense, but the way it's being handed to us in the finale is about one thing and one thing only: blowing your motherfucking mind
* The flashbacks show Jack in a deteriorating state... battling alcoholism, contemplating suicide... all leading up to...
* In the finale flashbacks, the troubled Jack spends a lot of time trying to make phone contact with somebody, somebody obviously really important to him. And when he finally gets in touch with that person? It's gonna FREAK YOU OUT, MAN!!
* They are still on the island next year. Sort of.
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another side to Hurley.... snake in the mailbox people!
I have a good feeling about this, Cheers Dark
The returning cast member is Walt. His myspace had him filming in Hawaii in the right time frame.
Jack's very dark Flashback's hold the season ending "snake in the mailbox". This is interesting that the reveal is in the flashback and not something that partains to the island itself. Unless of course there is information in the flashback that links directly to the island.
Herc also said that Jack's ex wife Julie Bowen has a lot to do with his dark flashbacks.
And by learning something huge about Kate might either be she is going to die or pregnant or both
Wow, alot of emphasis was put on how huge huge huge Huge the reveal is gonna be.
i want to know what happens!!
This seems to suggest that only one original main character dies so it sounds like good news for the lost women.
My guess is Kate will be pregnant.
Walt will return.
Charlie will die as well as four of the Others including Cindy and a new character that will be introduced..
Hugo will demonstrate that he is capable of rage and killing someone.
These are just my simple guess after reading various spoilers.
My guess is that Jack, killed his father!
wow... murderousandy, don't you think it might be one more character other than Charlie?
Something major about Kate... she is pregnant, she is infertile (the island only heals sperm as far as I understand... chauvinistic rock, it is! There's something for the feminists to ponder), or she dies. I think she does. Oh no oh no oh no... :(
Between now and 2008, fans may scratch holes in their heads wondering how this show is going to continue next season.
interesting - especially when placed alongside Kirsten syaing that
"[fans] will understand why the show cannot go longer than 48 more episodes." after watching the finale.
I've not heard any rumours or theories about this. So psyched!
@njl - in the words of Hurley - dude!
i wanna know what this lostfan108 has to reveal about the season finale!! i hate not being in the know!
regarding what sterioss said, I think that could be true...he could have remembered the anger that he felt when libby died and it builds up inside him to the point that he kills someone...just like sawyer did with cooper
Which episode will be Charlie's demise? I imagine "Greatest Hits"
selina- i figured since they didnt mention Charlie that they meant he was the orig cast member, but i suppose it could be someone else:
"Desmond does not sacrifice himself to save Charlie"
Does this imply that someone else does?
njl - I agree that Jack killing his father would be huge, but I don't think it could be something huge huge huge HUGE, unless Jack's dad says something like "Oh by the way son, my real name's Jacob and if you kill me, I'll trap you on an island in the middle of nowhere with wild animals, crazy baby-snatchers, and a smoke monster, and you'll kill yourself before you ever find a way back home."
And then Jack kills him.
[LOST]
That might be huge huge huge HUGE.
I hope Hurley kills someone with his brute (and I mean BRUTE!) strength, maybe by just pounding into someone with all he can muster until they die, it would be pretty savage for the big cheery fella.
I wonder if we will finally visit the foreshadowed Radio Tower, as Rousseau's Message 'plays a role this week', more than likely as an attempt to contact Naomi's ship.
james come to think of it....jacob does kind of look like jacks dad...
The first six items were things we pretty much already knew.
"how this show is going to continue next season" is very carefully worded, isn't it? Could mean "we won't know what direction they're taking it" or it could mean "we won't know how they'll be able to continue the story because it will have seemed that they've painted themselves in a corner"
Jack killed his ex-wife. And now he will kill Kate.
I don´t think finding out kate is pregnant would be considered huge, since the hints to that are everywhere. I hope it´s something totally NOT related to the whole baby storyline.
As for Jack´s dark fb? is this on or off the island, coz if iot´s ON the island aka during the time he was with the others, then he might be the snake in the mailbox, and jack ain´t so dr.do-right anymore.
I´d pay to see that and I DARE YOU TPTB :D
Desmond doesn´t sacrifice himself for charlie, well whats new we already knew he´s dying and that totally sucks!!!!
New side of Hurley, well maybe he´ll go mental on the island. He was institutionalized for a while.
My guess and money goes for Walt coming back as well.
By taking the pharmacist into consideration, doctor and nurse...I am starting to think that Jack may have poisoned his father. And I think he has done it with medicine that is untracable by the dr's that do the autopsy and stuff.
Just my thoughts.
njl - it would make no sense if it came out that jack killed his father.that would stand in contrast to his whole "I´m not a murderer"-attitude in the first season when it came to letting the US marshall die...
I´m so annoyed of tha jack vs. sawyer bullshit.I mean I´m a jater and a jack-fan all the way but does this mean I have to hate sawyer? no way I love that character too! well, for some people there´s only black and white.
I guess the answers don't lie in Dharma, Alpert, Hanso, or Jacob.
What's left?
* We will see Terry O’Quinn at least one more time before the season ends.
Yay Locke!
I also bet Hurley turns crazy and kills someone. Or... I dunno... sits on them. (Sorry dude!)
* Between now and 2008, fans may scratch holes in their heads wondering how this show is going to continue next season.
-Interesting.
sorry I meant to say his ex wife
I'm guessing Hurley accidently runs someone over with his VW.
I remember at the very begining of this season, they mentioned something about finding out someone's past and they used the phrase (of which I am paraphrasing) "Even heroes have secrets." but most of what that guy said can be found on spoilerfix so he isn't really saying anything new.
But I am very sure of something myself that I can add to all of this. There is a very specific reason that they went for 16 episodes each season instead of 24, and it ties into the "* Between now and 2008, fans may scratch holes in their heads wondering how this show is going to continue next season."...
Read carefully this is very important...
Season 4 and on will be done '24' style, meaning that what happens in this season's finale will be so huge that there will be only two days left on the island to tell the story. Each hour of the show will be an actual real-time hour on the show, 48 episodes = 48 hours.
Now, take another spoiler into account:
05/03 - Damon Lindelof and Carlton Cuse were on the Drew and Mike radio show>.They revealed that some mysteries will be resolved by the end of the season: what was up with the guys in the arctic...
and
[Eko might be back and it] might not necessarily be a flashback episode. The fact that the island may have been seen [by the outside world] is pretty much the entire story arc of the second half of the year.
I think they are going to have people arrive to rescue them, and from that point it will Locke trying to stop anyone from leaving and the Losties fighting him to get away and keep him from sabotaging their rescue.
i think the thing about kate is that she was 'annie' - bens lover girlfreind when they were like 10 or whatever, but maybe leaving the island had her memory wiped or something!
remember that weird breakfast thing ben and kate had...maybe he was reminissing old times although shes too different now or would never believe ben if he told her the truth! who knows! i cant wait!
Jack doesn't kill his ex-wife. If he did, why would he ask if she's happy and why would Juliet say yes?
sometimes I wonder if people really watch the episodes considering what strange theories they come up with here...
And if Jack did in fact kill his father, then he has done what Jacob required of Locke.
Ben killed his dad and can see/hear Jacob.
Kate killed HER father.
Hurley's dark secret? Maybe that he did the same. Why they all tie in I don't know but it would fit.
They also said that Libby's reason for being in the asylum will be covered, and it will involve someone not on the island. Maybe it was her dad's boat, not her husband's, and she killed him.
i think michael returns, and Hugo kills him:)
wauz kenobi: Whose theory are you poo-pooing?
williedoit -
I think whenever they said "24 style" they only actually stated that they meant episodes uninterrupted, so don't be upset if it's more than 2 days, but I would have to say you put forth a VERY interesting scenario- one that would satisfy everything we've heard about the finale.
Man if he does have the episodes.... torrents anyone???
I dont think Jack killed his wife.When he was held captive by Juliet didnt Juliet say she has his whole file and he can ask anything abt his wife. and Jack instead of asking her boyfriends name just asked if she was happy and Juliet responded Yes! If they show Jack as bloody murderer then it would be contrived. I think the producers are more creative than turning Jack into a murderer!
Regarding kate, it can be anything! Maybe Kate got her tubes tied and cannot be pregnant! She pretty much freaked when she thought she was preg with her husband! Or maybe Kate is totally in love with Jack. Or maybe they let it slip in the files that she was sexually abused by her father.
I dont want dark Jack flashbacks cos that wud just be an overkill and keeping in with the producers love for surprise flashbacks which sometimes dont gel with the characters. Like Sun sleeping with the bald Korean guy or the Jack tatoo flashback.
Could the original cast member that returns be Michael? I know I saw and interview (he was plugging "28 Weeks Later" in which he stars) and was asked about Lost; he said he didn't know anything about the show and if they'll ask him to return, but of course he could be lying to cover his tracks. The only reason I say it would be PERFECT for him to come back this episode is that comment AICN makes about how "We see a new side of Hurley". Wouldn't Hurley tear Mike to pieces if he made it back to the island, since Mike killed Libby?
If it's not Mike, then of course Walt, or perhaps Vincent. Vincent wouldn't be listed amoung ABC's cast list, would he? And I consider him one of the original cast.
Williedoit, I like the idea of the "24" style program. That would make for an interesting, however long, three years!
My best guess...the returning cast member is not mentioned, probably because it is an ADULT WALT. 'Lost time,' remember?
williedoit:
the theory of jack killing his ex-wife for example.why the hell would he ask juliet if she´s happy then in "tale of two cities".
or jack killing his father.why the hell would he refuse to let the US marshall die stating that he´s "not a murderer"?and christian was pretty good at destroying himself so it would be a waste of time to actually kill him when he´s doing it on his own.
and to your "you have to kill daddy to be able to listen to jacob"-theory: that doesn´t make sense cause locke did NOT kill cooper.sawyer did.and yet locke hears jacob.
I read that the gamechanger involves jack AND another character.who could that be?as far as I know christian is not listed as guest starring for the finale.
sorry for my bad english folks.
NGL you might be right about jack killing his father!
whoever leaked the episodes needs to spread it around! share the wealth!
I like this idea of Jack killing his father. What would be even more mega shocking is if Jack knew about the island beforehand and the kill your father on the island chosen one thing. Lots of killed fathers. Maybe Walt kills Michael before returning. Got sick of hearing that "Ma Boy" thing
I like this idea of Jack killing his father. What would be even more mega shocking is if Jack knew about the island beforehand and the kill your father on the island chosen one thing. Lots of killed fathers. Maybe Walt kills Michael before returning. Got sick of hearing that "Ma Boy" thing
I wonder if the returning cast member could in fact be Michael. There was so much press about how they couldn't reach an agreement, HP doesn't know what's going on with Lost...if Michael turns up they'll have done a fabulous job of keeping this secret.
Maybe we'll scratch holes in our heads to think how the show will continue because they'll get rescued and the show is about them being on the island and after that I don't see how the show would continue...................
Jack didn't kill his father! How could he have?? S1 wouldn't make sense then!
Maybe the dark side to Hurley will be him pounding on Walt for what his father did o.0
And Kate... the Kate-is-Annie theory is one of those too-good-to-be-true theories that I LOVE but know will never happen... also cause she's too young... but hey time loops, who knows. It would surely put lots more meaning into Ben's line, "If I were a betting man I would have picked her and you", and the expression on his face when he said it...
Hey, I've thought that Jacob looked more like Pickett than anyone, but you know what?? He TOTALLY looks like WAYNE! Probably completely coincidental... but it's uncanny!
The Kate reveal is going to be that she does have history here on the island whether she remembers it that way or not. She is definitely the same Annie we saw in the Ben flashback... Why she doesn't remember I don't know. I assume we'll find out.
My guess on the Jack thing, and it's more of a guess than the above comment about Kate is, is that Jack has been in contact with the OTHER group of others on the island. I think he came in contact with them when the crash first took place, which is why he wakes up out in the jungle and not on the beach with everyone else. I think they either did something to him, or are involved with him somehow...and that he himself is the snake in the mailbox.
And finally...yes, it's likely that Hurley summons up enough anger to kill one of the 5 that are going to die. Not shocking stuff...just a side we're not usually used to seeing given he's more the comedic clown and light hearted character.
kghowe2002: your theory about jack neglects the fact that jack´s "gamechanger" involves another character.
my bets are that he runs into someone of his past amongst the others...
I like the idea that something happens in the finale that basically sets the end date for the series. Maybe not 48 hours, but a short period of time before The End of the World As We Know It.
Another cool possibility is that the LOSTies think they get rescued by Naomi/Penny... then it turns out that they're just being recaptured--and that the Naomi/Penny contingent is actually responsible for them being there in the first place.
And the blender theory is that they have the opportunity to get rescued for reals... right at the moment that it becomes clear that the Others/Jacob are going to bring about TEOTWAWKI. So they have to decide, go home (and wait for the world to end there) or stay and try to save it.
Not Bai Ling not Bai Ling not Bai Ling......!
thatdarnkat: "I like the idea that something happens in the finale that basically sets the end date for the series. Maybe not 48 hours, but a short period of time before The End of the World As We Know It."
I HAVE THAT MUSIC VIDEO UP RIGHT NOW!!! How scary is that...
Remember that TPTB stated that something "happened" to Jack, not that Jack "did" anything.
Jack did not kill his father.
My theory is that Jack's flashbacks in the season finale will be on-island flashbacks instead of (or possibly as well as) off-island. I think that the ultra dark reveal will be that we will see that when Jack was with the Others, Ben also took him to see Jacob, and when he was there, Jacob instructed him to overthrow Ben and join the Others or possibly just to lead the losties into a trap.
Either way, I think the reveal will end in Jack leaving to join the others, rather than Locke, as many are expecting.
The confrontation between Jack and Locke could then be a complete role reversal.
Darkufo, You're such a genuinely good person, I don't know what'd I do without you. . .In this time of great despair I often look to fiction to ease my pains, and you take that to the next level!
Aside from all creepiness, thank god you're here.
And the "Way out in Left Field Theory" award goes to...
The huge Jack-and-someone-else reveal is that Jack has an identical (bad) twin. Flashbacks reveal that Jack had a twin brother, who was (like Juliet) recruited by Mittelos. The "Jack" on the beach is, in fact, Joe Bob Shepherd, Jack's evil twin.
The finale ends with a close up of the real Jack, bound and gagged in some Other-controlled camp.
:D
that is probably the best teaser I have ever read/seen.
I c a n n o t w a i t a ny m o r e
Sweet post DarkUFO :)
something huge about Kate - maybe we find out that Kate has a daughter, and it is the girl that is captive with the others.
Mike comes back and hurley and Mike duke it out
Claire will sacrafice herself to save Charlie.
We find out that penny and naomi are working for Dharma.
not sure about Jack's dark flashbacks, maybe they are flashbacks on the island.
At the end the tsunami will wash over the island, and we will wonder how anyone survived...
Guys, it's Walt who's returning. Between Malcolm David Kelley's facebook status reading something along the lines of "Malcolm is filming in Hawaii", Harold having filmed a TV pilot and two movies this year (not including 28 Weeks Later), Harold and his publicist(or agent?) saying that though he didn't get to be in S3, S4 was a possibility depending on whether the Demons show got picked up (generally an actor and their crew will not deny allegations, just be cryptic), and producers saying that we would find out more about what happened to Walt after he was taken by the Others, I would think that the answer is clear.
Then again, a lot of people thought that the magic box was literal...
Awesome!
holy crap
Kate is Ben's girlfriend from his flashback!
By the way, was it ever explained why Jack woke up in the jungle and significantly farther away from everyone else after the plane crash? (I can't imagine that it's as simple as him being the only one thrown 500+ feet away from the wreckage, especially since he was strapped in to his seat and the seat isn't in the jungle.)
Anyone notice that it specifically says "We will see Terry O’Quinn at least one more time before the season ends." instead of we will see John Locke one more time? Isn't there a lot of people saying Jacob looks like Locke?
Hmm I seem to remember that Annie was one of Kate's fake names she used while she was on the run. Interesting maybe.
Also one more thing about the Kate/Annie theory. I seem to recall that in the first episode of season 3 when Ben had breakfast with Kate, she said "you don't know me" and Ben replied "of course I don't". As if to say that he did.
I think this theory has substantial evidence now and seems like it could well be true.
Nice, Jeremy! Very good.. i agree with you..
but come on, people.. Kate is not pregnant and she is not Annie..
I am leaning more and more towards Jacob's spirit entering Locke's body. Why would they specifically say, "We'll see Terry O'Quinn at least one more time.?"
Why not use his character's name like they did with all the other cast members?
I wonder if we're going to see that Horace Goodspeed was somebody's math teacher in the 1960's before he went to the island.
Walt coming back will be interesting. The kid has to look three years older than when they started filming, and the show is in 2004.
williedoit, your theory is really interesting. it really does seem to fit perfectly!
also, anyone thinking that perhaps the surprise about Hurley will involve him being very upset over Charlie's death? First his girlfriend, now his best friend... I can certainly see that as cause for him to snap.
notice how it says that there will be death like boone and shannon's...meaning one of the Losties will kill another Lostie (either by accident or on purpose) which means kate will be biting the dust
also I haven't watched 24 yet but if 24 hours are portrayed during the season, do the characters on the show sleep? it's a legitimate question
Hurley's other side may be him stepping up and being a leader.
There is a chance Jack will get off the island alive, which would leave a gap in the leadership.
Hurley won't go bad.
i don't think jack killed his ex-wife like others have said based on his question of "is she happy?" but that could also lend to a theory that jack, did in fact kill his ex-wife's new man.
they made a whole stink about jack trying to find out the guy's name but never did. maybe he finds out and kills him?
"C44rl11 said...
i think the thing about kate is that she was 'annie' - bens lover girlfreind when they were like 10 or whatever, but maybe leaving the island had her memory wiped or something!
remember that weird breakfast thing ben and kate had...maybe he was reminissing old times although shes too different now or would never believe ben if he told her the truth! who knows! i cant wait!"
Many more of you have also chimed in on this... I have to disagree. Kate is too young to be Annie... now Danielle however, she is just the right age. I think the message she left on the radio tower, was because of the hostiles and Ben gassing everyone in the compound.
Think about it for a minute, read the transcript of the message she left on repeat, along with the timing of the gassing event, and the birth of Alex. I truly think Alex was Ben's after all.
Ben and "Annie" loved each other, so it only makes sense they would have a baby together. Since Ben switched sides... he just had his new hostile friends kidnap his baby so he could raise her with the natives, and she wouldn't fall victim to another "purge"
Jack Bauer doesn't need sleep! :-P
I think Annie is Annie.
annie is:
danielle (luv the idea)
kate (omg! who came up w/ that? no offense.)
annie (wow, it's so obvious i would've never guessed! really, no sarcasm.)
twist with penny & naomi is a) penny washes up on shore, b) naomi doesn't work for penny at all, c)naomi kills penny, or d) penny washes up on shore & naomi shoots her.
a new side of Hurley? Good Ole Hurley turns into Bad Boy Hugo?
jack killed his ex-wife or his ex-wife's bf. that would be cool.
FWIW, Herc and Moriarty on AICN revealed a few more details in the talkback.
Apparently, they know more than they're telling.
Hey, Jamie, I agree with you--the returning cast member is an adult Walt! The major problem with having a child character on the island was that the audience could see the child maturing; thus, the timeline would appear ridiculous. For those of you who are Rome fans, remember when Octavian left for battle as a boy, but returned a man? I can totally see the writers doing this with Walt's character!
Oh, and I bet Jack killed Bai Ling after the beach incident! I don't really believe that, but the theory is as ridiculous as some others, so I might as well throw it out there...
thedarnkat - Just read through the comments on AICN and you're SO right. Very interesting tid bits, don't you think?
courtney: I think its funny that you so easily dismiss the idea of Annie being Kate while you 'luv the idea' of Annie being Danielle. There is absolutely no basis for either of these "theories" other than fans randomly trying to guess the next twist. me said it best: Annie is Annie. Thank you! Next please!
while we're on the subject of randomly guessing the next plot twist with absolutely no evidence to support it; here's a few more:
Sayid is Radzinsky
Hurley is Jacob
Locke is Hasno!
yay! what do I win??
Since the current date on the island is about a couple days before Christmas (Dec. 23rd). Do you think that the game changer possibly has to do with the fact that the Indian Ocean Tsunami happened on Dec. 26th (Likely date for Finale). A while ago the producers said that the tsunami would fit into the series.
Hmm...
sarah- yeah, particularly Mori's later comments jogged my memory from some VERY old comments by Adawhen on abc.com. You can look it up on http://lostfaq.aimoo.com in the "Observations/Adawhen" section - there's a thread about "In reference to a big Jack spoiler" that sounds eerily like what Mori was hinting at...
here is an update (i thought i posted this, but apparently not)
*Julie Bowen contributes muchly to Jack's dark.
*... the game-changer may well make sense, but the way it's being handed to us in the finale is about one thing and one thing only: blowing your motherfu*king mind.
We don't have all the pieces yet to know if it completely connects or not. But it certainly spins the show in a different direction, and it changes the nature of the questions we'll be asking about the series overall.
*The flashbacks show Jack in a deteriorating state... battling alcoholism, contemplating suicide... all leading up to...
*In the finale flashbacks, the troubled Jack spends a lot of time trying to make phone contact with somebody, somebody obviously really important to him. And when he finally gets in touch with that person? It's gonna FREAK YOU OUT, MAN!!
*I'll say this... it sounds like the returning unbilled cast member is indeed who was guessed above (Walt). And his reappearance directly relates to Locke's survival.
*They are still on the island next year.
Sort of.
srda- The producers did not say this. It's all fan speculation/theory. TPTB said that the duration of time that Juliet has been on the island is significant to real life, which is vague. There hasn't been actual mention of the tsunami.
Also, what's up w/ people saying ADULT WALT. Malcolm David Kelley doesn't look a day over 13 right now. Unless the majority of you here are teenagers trying to equate themselves with adults ;)
thatdarnkat - I read it but I'm not sure I get it. It's kind of hard to follow. But, if I'm reading it right, Jack's going to a very, very dark place.
is kate an other????!!! ""we will learn something huge about kate"
----ive read and dont want to bleive,
----i dont believe myself
---but re watch season 1, and it may be
is kate an other????!!! ""we will learn something huge about kate"
----ive read and dont want to bleive,
----i dont believe myself
---but re watch season 1, and it may be
Just a few more points about KATE = ANNIE
1) Both Annie and Kate are shown as left handed.
2) We say young Annie eating an Apollo chocolate bar with her left hand. In a past flashback we saw Kate eating that same Apollo chocolate bar when she was on the run.
3) In a scene with Jack, he stumbles upon Kate at with her feet in the water, she mentions that she used to stand at the water's edge and "sink" as the waves draw back out all the time when she was young with her mother. Hmmm...Kate's from Iowa...where'd she spend all that time at the ocean's edge when she was young I wonder?
4) Ben's sarcasm at the special breakfast he has with her... "Sure I don't" (in answer to Kate saying "you don't know me").
All food for thought...oh, and finally Richard saying to juliette: "I think you'll be surprised by how fast time flies while you're on the island." So it's entirely possible for her to now be a few years younger than Ben who never left the island, if she spent time back in the real world.
Just be open to it. It's quite possibly going to be what we find out.
Ok, I can confirm with absolutely no doubt that Jack did not kill his father, ex-wife, his ex-wife's bf, or Bail Ling's character (why can't anyone remember her name?). So get the idea that Jack murdered someone in his past out of your head.
The huge reveal? Jack contacts the outside world, possibly his ex-wife, and is told ... "I'm sorry, who are you?" They don't know him and have no memory of him. He never existed in their world. But I could be wrong. it also makes no sense in context of the other 815 being found with no survivors. Bah, I've got nothing! Except for the Jack-does-not-murder-anyone spoiler, that is true. :P
^
Achara, her name was Achara.
Kate is not Annie... It is remotely possible in my mind that Danielle is Annie.
Either that or Annie is just Annie. Perhaps she died while pregnant with Ben's baby... and that is why he is so focused on the fertility thing-a-ma-jig
Thanks deviant_69. I'm curious about Jack's flashbacks. I always found it odd that Isabel could read Jack's tattoo.
I just had a thought regarding the snake-in-the-mailbox. The letters Desmond wrote to Penny while he was in prison never reached her; they were intercepted by Widmore. What other messages have been sent/received by the Losties? Naomi was sent by Penny, is she the snake? Rousseau's radio broadcast; apparently that plays a part in the finale. Sayid fixes the phone. Boone used the plane's radio. Claire's message-in-a-bottle. Gah, I'm stumped. I think it involves a message from the outside world, which points to Naomi and the rescue ship.
Somebody on the AICN talkback posted this...they posted spoilers from the next two episodes. Maybe true...who knows?
Here's the gamechanger(possibly)
But the HUGE TWIST of the episode -- in fact, probably the huge twist of the entire series -- happens in the flashback. They start by showing that Jack is totally fucked up. He's popping pills and suicidal. The first flashback shows him about to kill himself by jumping off a bridge -- only a car accident nearby causes him to stop, and instead of killing himself he fins himself helping the accident victims. But he keeps spiraling. He sees his ex-wife at the hospital -- she's pregnant with another man's child. He goes to a funeral of a person that we never discover, but whoever it is, his (or her) death rocks Jack hard. He steals drugs from the hospital and is caught by the new doctor in charge. And all the time, he's constantly on the phone desperately trying to contact somebody. And the last scene shows us who...he goes to meet the mystery person, and it's the last person on earth we would think...it's KATE! And it's now that we realize that for the first time in Lost history, we haven't been watching a flashback. We've been watching a FLASH-FORWARD! Yep, that's right. THEY ACTUALLY SHOW THAT JACK AND KATE MAKE IT OFF THE ISLAND. For some reason, this has been the cause of Jack's spiral. He tells Kate they have to go back to the island. She refuses and drives away. The show finishes with Jack screaming "We have to go back!!" It's a bold move by the writer's no doubt, but I'm not sure if it will pay off entirely. It raises many other questions -- how did they get off the island, did anyone else get off the island, who stayed behind -- but on a show that has been all about our heroes trying to get back home, its kind of disappointing to know that Jack and Kate actually return to the mainland and that they could stay there if they want. The twist is bound to cause huge discussion among Lost fans. I felt it was a bit of a cheat, but maybe others will like it more... Hope enjoyed the scoop.
You can see the rest in the AICN talkback under the user smokemonster108
Woo, I was right! Well, one of my wild guesses a few weeks ago hit the target despite my eyes being closed! Heheh. I said that the final three seasons will involve characters back in the real world, and the flashbacks will be to the Island and how they escaped it. Lost, turned inside-out. Woohoo, I'm excited because I think this is a terrific idea that will breathe new life into Lost, but I'm also very VERY pissed off that I have to wait until 2008 for season 4. :P
PS Jack, Kate and someone else make it off the Island. It's the third Lostie whose funeral Jack attends.
I know when people post spoilers they leave stuff out on accident because of their memories, but the above story doesn't mention the arctic guys.......UNLESS that's where Penelope is broadcasting from!
Aha!
Well it leaves a LOT of questions as per usual, such as
How did they get off
WHO got off
WHOSE funeral was he at
This person either researched everything (like we did! XD) and came up with a helluvan idea of which they should be commended for, or that is THE finale.
Reminder to vote for DarkUFO!
http://www.jayandjack.com/hugocup/index.php
The first part:
Here it is. What you've been waiting for. The mother of all Lost scoops. The "game-changer" The "rattlesnake in the mailbox." Let's start with this week's episode. Beware, MAJOR SPOILERS AHEAD! AND I MEAN IT. IF YOU DON'T WANT TO KNOW WHAT HAPPENS IN THE NEXT EPISODE AND THE FINALE DON'T READ ANYMORE. EP 321 CHARLIE'S FLASHBACKS Basically, this is another show where they make you think that Charlie's going to die, but then it doesn't happen. Desmond tells Charlie that he's seen a vision of Charlie's death and that this time it HAS to happen because it's going to cause another of his visions to come true -- one of Claire and her baby being rescued from the island by a helicopter. He tells Charlie that he's going to drown after turning a switch next to a yellow light in a new underwater hatch. At the same time, Sayid tells Jack that he can't get a rescue signal out on Naomi's phone because Rousseau's old distress call is blocking the signal. He tells Jack that they need to go to a radio tower to turn it off. Juliet, though, tells them that still won't get the signal out because Ben has been blocking all transmissions from the island by a jamming device on an underwater hatch called THE LOOKING GLASS. They know from Sayid's maps that the hatch is flooded. Charlie volunteers for the suicide missions to swim down there and turn off the signal. After what Desmond's told him, he now knows that this is his destiny. He swims down to the udnerwater hatch -- but it isn't flooded! He comes up in a pressurized chamber. He's overjoyed that he doesn't have to die....but discovers that there's TWO CHICKS down there (probably Others) pointing guns at him. The FLASHBACKS are the five greatest moments in Charlie's life. He saves a stranger being beaten on the street (the stranger is Nadia, Sayid's long-lost love), he shows his Dad he can swim when he's a young kid, he hears YOU ALL EVERYBODY on the radio for the first time, and his brother Liam gives him the DS ring. But his greatest moment is when he met Claire on the beach the first night after the plane crashed on the island. (He writes down these five memories and asks Desmond to give them to Claire after he's gone). The episode is just okay. Not as good as the last two, it's basically setting things up for the finale. It woudl've been better if they'd have killed Charlie in it. Now onto the finale... episode 322 FINALE "THROUGH THE LOOKING GLASS" The finale is full of action, a few deaths -- and that huge twist I mentioned earlier. First, the deaths. A bunch of Others get killed when they try to raid the camp. This includes Friendly, who Sawyer shoots in cold blood -- and also the other new tough guy Other (I think his name is Price) who gets run over by Hurley in the van. And Charlie FINALLY dies. Thank god. I've always thought he was one of the weaker characters and his death has been threated in so many episodes its about time it finally happened. He unblocks the jamming signal in the underwater station but drowns when Mikhail uses a grenade to blow it up, killing them both. It's a cool death for Charlie. Maybe cooler than he deserves. Another big moment is when an old favorite of the show returns. Locke is just about to kill himself in the Dharma grave pit that he fell into after Ben shot him when he hears a voice telling him not to. He looks up to see...WALT!! Walt helps him out of the pit and then disappears. No sign of Michael, and there's no explanation about where Walt has been or what happened to him or Michael. Locke then makes it to the Radio Tower -- and gets there in time to kill Naomi just before she makes the rescue call. He throws a knife straight into her back. Jack can't understand what Locke is doing and tells him that he'll have to shoot him to stop him from making the call himself. Locke threatens to kill Jack, but then backs down. Jack makes the rescue call -- and someone on the other end answers. The story on the island ends with help on the way. Or maybe not. Ben has told Jack that Naomi and her people aren't who they say they are -- and just before he dies, Charlie sees a transmission in the underwater hatch from Desmond's Penny -- who, contrary to what Naomi has said, denies that she knows Naomi at all!!
williedoit said... NOTHING... make it not so blocky :P
When Kate went to Jack and Juliet to say that they had found a woman, Jack and Juliet insinuated that they had a secret as well. I am guessing Penny parachuted out with Naomi, and she is on the island.
Money down that Walt is the original cast member who returns. Maybe we get a Walt underwater sequence again before someone bites the dust ...
I do not think Kate dies. She has too much of a storyline with Jack and Sawyer. And Kate is NOT Annie. No way. Kate could be Annie's daughter, but she ain't Annie.
Please, god, no Bai Ling.
Williedoit, I totally believe what you just posted. But, sadly, you have nothing about this big Jack switcheroo or what Kate's big to-do is.
Someone called smokemonster108 posted an alleged summary of 321 and 322 in AICN's talkback for this article; Dark, can you confirm/ deny?
I hope this isn't true... not because it sucks, but because I just read the whole f*cking season finale summary and will be majorly ashamed of myself.
laura, i read the same post at AICN, and I keep thinking that it seems like it would be real... or a well written idea anyway...
The twist is Jack's flashback, where he's distraught, drinking, doing drugs, isn't a flashback.
The person on the phone is Kate who he meets up with, who he tells that they need to go back to the island. She says no and drives away while he screams at her that they need to go back.
As I said: No work on what funeral Jack attends while back, or who got left on the island.
I think (and this won't be answered until next season) that Naomi kept the rest of the Losties on the island or never let them leave in the first place. Naomi isn't legit, Penelope doesn't know who she is and Ben says that they shouldn't trust her.
And the side of Hurley you've never seen is him coming to the rescue in the van running over Pryce.
The notion of a flash-forward is hilarious, albeit antithetical to the program. Still, props and kudos in Purgatorio.
p.s. Jack and Kate are related.
OR that IS a Jack and Kate flashback, and it's them BEFORE they got to the island. I'd have to go back and watch from day 1 to see how they interact with each other.
I have to admit, smokemonster108's spoiler seemed very, and I mean VERY, likely to be the real finale.
It fits everything that has been told in spoilers. Everything that has been told by the producers. And that's exactly what I'd call a REAL gamr-changer.
It also goes along with the theory of time travelling Lost has been flirting with...
And although I was skeptical of Jacob being anyone we already know (I always thought Jacob was Jacob and that's it), I must admit I now do consider the possibility of Jacob being Jack, a Jack that got off the island and went back to it, just in a different point in time (perhaps even before the Dharma Initiative was there). Also, Jacob's black eyes were a giveaway that he couldn't be neither Locke nor Ben. However, Jack's also got black eyes...
Wow. Talk about mind-blowing.
And yes, it also fits into the producer's policy of revealing a little bit to introduce tons of questions.
ugo:
I believe that time travel is happening on that island, but who says that's what happened in the finale?
True Desmond had that trip out and tptb said that he didn't have a flashback at that point, so technically that didn't happen in the past it happened in current time, but whose to say that happened here?
HA! Already we are pouring over details wondering what next season will bring.
Waiting nine months is cruel...
Holy Crap.
That's all I'm gonna say.
I think the funeral is Juliet's. I think that's the only other person's funeral that would get him so worked up, other than Kate's, but since he sees her later, we know it isn't Kate.
Ugh, just when I started trusting Naomi too..... LOST is frustrating, but a must.
Insiderscoop just got seriously trumped.
Unless it's a translation of that dude writing in Spanish on Perdidos blogspot or whatever - with the great Ron Pearlman (as Jacob) due on island any minute..
It's definitely a cool story, but I'm not sure how it qualifies anyone as a snake in the box. I guess Naomi, but she hasn't really been in the box long enough for me to consider her snakeness a surprise.
Whatever though - I read the spoilers before every episode and still enjoy them, so this one should still be pretty cool.
Oh, and while we're speculating -
Jack is all worked up because Juliet died, off island, because he got her pregnant, ON island, and we all know what happens at the moment of conception on island..
Perhaps he wants to go back to do some time travelling as well to save her, like Superman flying backwards around the earth to bring back Lois...
Holy Sh%!, I'm positive we just recieved the ultimate spoil. I kinda wish I hadn't read it just because it would have been a fantastic shock watching it. And to any one who doesn't believe it... Come on, you can't make stuff like that up!
@williedoit:
I don't think that's what happened in the finale. I think the finale (if these rumours are correct) is a true flash-forward.
However, if time traveling is possible on Lostland, I'd extrapolate and suggest Jack "did" (or will?) get back on island, and he's there somewhere now, only we haven't figured it out yet.
That's why I said I now believe Jacob *could* be Jack. There was some post on AICN's talkback commenting on the madness of the quantum world and its possible relationship with Lost's time travel. That would even explain why not everyone can hear or see Jacob: quantum instability. He's there but he's also not there, all at the same time.
But, like I said, that's an extrapolation. If this turns out to be true, I'd officially give up theorizing about Lost and start just watching it.
williedoit,
You have an incredible imagination. It would be so much better if you posted your wonderful ideas as your guesses and theories. They would be so entertaining. The way you do it now, as if they are facts, and you have inside information, just comes across like you're a dumb attention seeker, trying to make people think you're important.
bongzilla,
What is it with you and secret relationships? First you were positive that Locke was Sawyer's father. Then you were sure that Locke was Sawyers brother and Cooper was his father. Then you said to "book it" that either Jack and Kate or Jack and Sawyer were siblings. Now you've decided that it's Jack and Kate. Where are you getting these ideas? Were there clues somewhere that the rest of us didn't pick up on? As it is, it just doesn't make much sense.
I suppose Jack's "dark" flashback happened after he divorced Sarah and before he got his father fired.
Can't wait for the finale.
@the_nightlighter:
Just reload DarkUFO's spoiler page.
And also check the AICN's talkback page.
I have some issues with this new "spoiler." First of all, isn't Kate still wanted on the outside world? True they may think she is dead, but it would be very difficult for me to believe that she gets a phone or can be contacted easily by someone else. Second of all, unless all of them leave the island it doesn't really make sense. Kate especially doesn't seem like the type that would leave people on the island and especially wouldn't refuse to help Jack unless something happens between them. This would seem to imply that Jack and Kate kept the island a secret. If they made it out alive why would they not seek help other than the two of them? Why would it take that long for them to realize they have to go back or is there another reason they have to go back? Save the world maybe? I don't know, I was really hoping for a point in the show where people would be off the island.
Some other random questions:
Wouldn't Mikhail want to have communication with the outside world again? Also, we have been told that Naomi is going to be a major character in season 4 so what she isn't anymore? There are a few mentions of Ben talking to Jack about Naomi, why would Ben be talking to Jack or any of them if they are in a "war?" How would Charlie see a transmission of something Penny is saying and who would be asking her about Naomi, that doesn't really make sense.
This spoiler seems legit but count me on the skeptical side, although I think the flashforward of them off the island could happen, just the events leading up to it would have to be different in my opinion.
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Faz108 said...
Maybe we'll scratch holes in our heads to think how the show will continue because they'll get rescued and the show is about them being on the island and after that I don't see how the show would continue..................
I like this thought. Maybe only some will get rescued, but they'll have to leave some others behind.
Er, Williedoit, why are you regurgitating the spoilers from AICN verbatim then claiming them as your own? It makes no sense at all, especially considering the spoilers were posted before yours. I'm totally bewildered. Dude, seriously, why? o_O
Willie, don't do it.
I like the idea that the others can pop in out of alternative time lines (or parallel universes, and possibly thats the deal that jack and kate have accepted.
But whatever universe they have been placed in everyone around jack is dying \ bad things are happening to him.
That may be why he wants to go "back to the island", or back to that time line.
*** UM CHARLIE CAN'T SWIM ***
Sounds good. Can't wait to see the finale. Damon & Carlton did say (in an interview w/ Doc Jensen)as far as the season finale goes, we should be asking ourselves, "what happened to Jack?"
I have ONE major problem with this Charlie death - Charlie can't swim. Remember in season one when Joanna drowns? Before Jack and Boone jump in the water, Charlie yells out "I can't swim". So...there u have it. It's the little details...hope Damon/Carlton figur that one out.
This is a perfect example of why people should not complain about too Many Jack flashbacks, or someone else, saying one's story is done.
Its Done when TPTB says its done lol
Did anybody else notice a couple episodes back when they were still holding Kate, Kate asks "What happened" and Jack begins by saying, "There's no way I could explain.." The hell was that about
* They are still on the island next year. Sort of.
If the show jumps the shark so badly we ask ourselves this question... its going to be CrAzY!
"they are still gonna be on the island next year. sort of."
wtf does that mean?
Wow. Somebody got pissed that the truth got out there.
Holy $#!+
This is NOT fair at all. This is way to much teaser. I feel teased like a ........ I DONT KNOW I CANT THINK STRAIGHT
Not upset for know, but i hope i wont be as upset as the people who were enraged with Sir Arthur Conan Doyle when he killed off Sherlock Holmes.
What if all of them-not "the others" become the new "hostiles" and a new dharma is set up by the ones who are trying to find the island..
"They are still on the island next year. Sort of."
i.e. like Desmond trying to sail away. They might be rescued, but find they can't leave the general vicinity of the island.
do you think penny's dad might somehow be involved in this whole finale???