Thanks to everyone who emailed to let us know that the Freighter that we see Sayid on in the promo for Episode 4.05 - The Constant is the same that Ryan from Hawaii Blog spotted back last year when he managed to snap these photos of Harold Perrineau during a filming scene. I've put together a photo below that hopefully explains this better.
Confirmation of Michael on the Freighter
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35 Comments:
Omg Knew It!
It's nice to have confirmation, but it's not that big of a surprise. I have a feeling there is a big "Lost moment" in the reveal. It's already been said that he's changed a lot since the last time we've seen him.
I'm excited for episode 8... or is he going to be introduced in episode 5? I miss his "WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAALT!?!"s.
It doesn't mean he's Ben's spy on the freighter though.
what if.. what if the 'man on the boat' is walt..and not so much michael? How would michael STILL be contacting ben? maybe ben can see walt and hear him and noone else can at the moment.
Big deal. Where the hell else was Michael going to get picked up?
This does not mean he's the man on the boat. I don't even understand how anyone believes he's the man on the boat. When exactly was he trained in reconnaissance? When did he make this deal with Ben? None of it makes any sense. Ok, so the freighter picked him up, and there happened to be a team on it, what, did he learn every single detail of Charlotte's life over hot cocoa? The man on the boat is not Michael, and its probably not Walt.
So what, so we have confirmation that Michael is on the boat, THATS ALL.
Um, Hipster, no offense but that's all the headline said, is that Michael was on the freighter. That being said, I DO think he's the "man" on the boat, I DO think he's Ben's mole and I DO think that Ben told him if he did this he'd get him out of there (by whatever way Ben is getting on and off that island b/c that sub ain't the only way, I don't think...)
And I still think Michael is a rat ass punk who'd better have a DAMN good explanation for everything. I hope Sayid gets to the freighter and kicks his ass.
Seriously, why else would he be there, for those saying it doesn't mean he's Ben's spy.....
he could be on the boat because the freighter picked him up off the boat ben gave him, how much gas do you think it had anyway? (obvious)
now: cronikeys, if i hear one more "WAAAAALLLLTT" out of Michael i'm gonna bash my head against the TV. i bet thats the first thing out of his mouth when we see him too!
This photo and info explain lots of things, like Michael should be the "man on the boat" of Ben, that he's been working for Ben during the season 3, and that he might be killed off and be put on the coffin. Jack realizes that Michael is actually a good guy and worked for his and other LOSTies' safety. But Kate doesn't care so much about Michael, so she doesn't want to go to his funeral. Hmmm, theories... :D
Yeah, he definitely could be the man in the coffin, and there is a ridiculously obvious reason for him to be on the boat, being that Ben TOLD HIM "If you follow those coordinates exactly, you will find rescue." meaning you will find the freighter. Ben has passports, money and all sorts of other connections, why in the hell would he use Michael for information when he could just as easily, as Mikhail mentioned, send someone like Bonnie or Greta "on a mission" to get on the freighter. He's got loyal followers and connections around the globe, but he has to use some random plane crash survivor as his mole on this boat? That's just ridiculous.
And ahrean- Yeah fuck that rat ass punk. How dare he shoot those people he barely knew so that he could get his son back. I know if somebody was holding my kid hostage, torturing and who knows what else, I would never even think about killing a couple of people who I only know because I happen to be on the same plane as them, who hit me with a stick and put me in a tiger-pit the first time I met them.
Nobody hates Sawyer for killing Duckett for far less of a reason (30 years of revenge in the making), but all of you god-damn hypocrites hate on Michael for killing someone for a far more reasonable reason (his son's life was in danger.) Not to mention Ana Lucia was a killer herself, who also killed for revenge, and Libby was seemingly some kind of spy. He did not kill anyone who was innocent, and he didn't do it for no good reason. Also, if the Others weren't such assholes, he never would have had to do it in the first place. So now he decides to work for someone who kidnapped his kid and blew up his raft and tried to kill him? Yeah, that makes a ton of sense. It makes way more sense than the idea that Ben, who we KNOW from a flashforward has connections around the world, could have simply hired someone to be on the freighter.
Although, from that spoiler image of Tom beating up Michael in New York, I will grant the possibility that the Others guilted Michael into being that mole some time after he made his way back to the real world. But there is no way that there was some secret conversation on the island between Ben and Michael that they didn't show and that Michael went directly from being a crash survivor picked up by the freighter to being a mole on that very same freighter. It is that ONE spoiler image of Tom and Michael that makes this possible. So: Michael>>rescue>>New York>>Coercion>>mole on the freighter is possible, but Michael>>freighter>>mole is not possible.
maybe ben left a walkie talkie or some sort of radio on the boat that micheal took in the season 2 finale, after he had drugged jack, sawyer and kate to take to the hydra he contacted micheal on the boat and told him his plan, that the coordinates were going to lead micheal to the freighter and he was to be bens mole on the ship, and told him how to contact ben with information
@hipster - what I meant by Michael being a punk was leading the other Losties where he did. I understand what you're saying, but I don't totally agree with it.
Looks like a party freighter.
I am like Michael. I am glad he is coming back. I hope we see him sooner rather than later.
Hipster, I agree - that's exactly what I was thinking.
I think we'll see Michael on the freighter at the end of episode 7 ... or Ben will reveal that Michael is the spy at the very least ... then, in episode 8, we'll learn how he came to be there, his flashback showing how him and Walt escaped, went to New York, met Tom, and how Tom convinced him to go on the freighter...
What could Tom say to him to make him go back though...?
This would explain also why Damon/Carlton said that ending the mini-season on episode 7 would make more sense... the Michael reveal would be huge. Then we'd have a 6 week wait before finding out why Michael's on the freighter.
3 more weeks till we know for sure :-)
i have been saying it all along michealand or walt are the spies. doya'all think sayid is gonna try and kick his ass?
what if the flashback scene with tom and michael is from before getting on flight 815. what if michael has been working with ben from the beginning. what if the people on the freighter don't know him from the manifest because his real name or alias is 'kevin johnson.'
hey hipster, is that spoiler image you're talking about in this thread? because i didn't know about it. where is it?
a link to the spoiler regarding tom and michael???
yes, sorry i wasn't clear. i don't even need a link, just direct me to the section, if it was on this page somewhere.
you can find it via the search or the labels menu.well that how i found it lol
It would be cool if we meet "Kevin Johnson" in this episode. Imagine Sayid's reaction when he sees Michael!
Sayid: "YOU!"
Michael: Shhh man, they're gonna hear you
They hide somewhere and when they're safe Sayid asks
Sayid: What are you doing here?
Michael: I'm undercover!
lame I know :)
Do we know if Walt is scheduled to return or is it just Michael? I hate to think this, but is it possible something bad has happened to Walt, e.g. he's been killed or is being held captive, and now Michael is working with Ben for some reason related to that?
I don't think Walt was killed but I think him and Michael were separated. There was a mobisode where Juliet went to see Michael when he was captive and told him that when they would let him go he probably wouldn't be with Walt. Michael asked what good would that do if he can't be with his son and Juliet told him that she had to do the same for her sister.
not only do i agree w/hipster about michael not being a bad guy for killing Ana Lucia and Libby to get Walt back but also for leading jack/kate/sawyer/hurley to Ben. he was promised they wouldn't be hurt and HE didn't hurt them so IMO, it was actually not as bad as what he did to AL and Libby (altho as a viewer, i wasn't bummed AT ALL to see AL go!) i don't get everyone being all anti-Michael because of that. if you're gonna hate Michael for what he did to get Walt back, ya gotta hate EVERY Lost character for the stuff they've done in the past. not that i'd expect him to be trusted by the 815'ers or anything (although Sawyer usually is even after killing...as is Kate, Jack when he pulled the trigger on Locke, Locke after killing naomi, Sayid after torturing Sawyer, Ana Lucia after killing Shannon, and hell, even Jack played football & laughed it up w/Mr. Friendly after all the crap he pulled, etc.) i still don't see him as undeserving of anyone's trust. to the contrary, i think he has proven he's willing to do anything to GET OFF THAT ISLAND, which is what most of these people say they wanna do right now.
Jenny said :
he was promised they wouldn't be hurt and HE didn't hurt them so
Lets not forget that Ben beat sawyer up, picket beat him up twice and tried to kill him, juliet shot sawyer with a lazor thingy, jack was knocked unconscience by juliet and kate's wrists were nearly cut open with those dogdy handcuffs
and you say that no one got hurt?
:P
and i DO agree with you on everyone being anti michael, you shouldnt just blame one character for sins, blame everyone
So by that means it's okay for anything on that island to do anything they need to do in order to get off of that island or get their child back, right? The child part I get, I'd rip someone's head off literally if they took my child but don't you think a better way for Michael to do it would've been to go to Jack and Co. and tell them what he was being asked to do? I know, I know, but they might not have gone then…..but Hurley, Kate, Jack and Sawyer did NOT take his child and no matter what they did before they got to that island they did NOT deserve to be deceived like that; so yes, I do get the anti-Michael sentiment….not only did he do what he did to them for selfish albeit semi-understandable purposes, but he also directly led us to that sh*thole of a fall mini-season at the beginning of S3 and that alone is unforgivable. ;) In all seriousness though, let's say my child is kidnapped and I get a ransom call saying "If you go into the public library and kill everyone there we'll give you your child back…". Now let's say I do that, should I be excused for it because I was a parent who would do anything, including die for their child? HELL NO. And yes, what Michael did COULD HAVE caused one of those four to die and very nearly did (Sawyer). So Michael is a MURDERING PUNK that I have no warmth for right now; I didn't like AL either but she didn't deserve to die like that.
ahrean said :
So by that means it's okay for anything on that island to do anything they need to do in order to get off of that island or get their child back, right? The child part I get, I'd rip someone's head off literally if they took my child but don't you think a better way for Michael to do it would've been to go to Jack and Co. and tell them what he was being asked to do? I know, I know, but they might not have gone then…..but Hurley, Kate, Jack and Sawyer did NOT take his child and no matter what they did before they got to that island they did NOT deserve to be deceived like that; so yes, I do get the anti-Michael sentiment….not only did he do what he did to them for selfish albeit semi-understandable purposes, but he also directly led us to that sh*thole of a fall mini-season at the beginning of S3 and that alone is unforgivable. ;) In all seriousness though, let's say my child is kidnapped and I get a ransom call saying "If you go into the public library and kill everyone there we'll give you your child back…".
1-firstly i agree that michael was in the wrong for what he did. Lets forgive him for killing Libby, it was a mistake (we kinda sorta forgave ana lucia for killing shannon).
2-theres a movie called 'a time to kill' with sammy L jackson. have you see it? well his daughter gets raped (6 year old) so he shoots the rapist dead in cold blood. the doctors said at the time he did this, the trauma of his daughters death made him temporarily insane.
there is no excuse for murdering but at the time michael (crashed on an island, nearly blown up, child abducted, himself kidnapped TWICE, told he'll never see his son again, possibly could die) probably was temproarily insane hence he didnt have a f*cking clue what he was doing.
Ahrean said :
Now let's say I do that, should I be excused for it because I was a parent who would do anything, including die for their child? HELL NO. And yes, what Michael did COULD HAVE caused one of those four to die and very nearly did (Sawyer). So Michael is a MURDERING PUNK that I have no warmth for right now; I didn't like AL either but she didn't deserve to die like that.
this sort of happend in a time to kill, except other than abduction his child was raped. there is NOOOO excuse for murder but i forgive michael because he was 'temporarily insane' because of the traumas
also im not warm to him either, but im excited he's back to fill his story in. he isnt someone i'd trust i'll admit that i just think he's getting TOO harshly punished for his actions
That's the 'freighter'?
Some rusted-up can? Standing room only by the look of it.
I was expecting some oppressively-huge titan sitting out there on the ocean.
Then again, the camera can work marvels :)
If you didn't have an eye for detail you'd swear the walls in Eggtown were rock solid ;)
Is it just me...or is Michael being Ben's man on the boat one of the worst kept secrets in Lost history?
Does this mean Michael on thursday!!!! It already looks awsome, this will make it even better :p
That may or may not be Michael. Whats up with the photo insets? My theory (since we already know he is working for Ben) is that the man on the boat it Sayid. The lowest inserted photo sure looks like Sayid's jaw...