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Gotta be Miles. No point in killing Karl (probably won't even be in the episode) and they won't kill Claire... yet.
Future_Aaron: Karl's in one of the sneak peeks for the next episode
Daniel PUSHING her out of a helicopter? I mean, Claire annoys me too, but I can't imagine Daniel doing that.
peace Karl
No way they will kill miles, he hasn't really done anything yet. I doubt Claire is going to die either - at least not by Daniel pushing her off a helicopter. We've seen recently that is totally out of character of Daniel, and if Claire was dying, I think we would have heard more about it. So that leaves Karl, a glorified extra.
sux
future_aaron,
Karl is in this episode.
General,
I'm saying Karl.
1.) There hasn't been excessive spoilers all over the place hinting that a series regular character was going to bite it. Darn, that happened for Jin last episode...and he might not even me dead! So it's not Claire. If it were, there would have been all kinds of hints from Kristin Dos Santos and q**zes from Michael Ausiello.
2.) The role of Miles was specifically written for Ken Leung. This isn't just some bit part that's going to get killed off after being in only five episodes. Not saying that Miles won't ever die, just that it's not going to happen any time soon.
3.) Episode spoilers have established that Ben wanting Alex to flee the Barrack's is a significant plotline. Ergo, we can pressume that Karl isn't just going to stand around in the background for the episode; he'll be involved with one of the main plotlines.
4.) Unlike Claire, Karl isn't a series regular character. And unlike Miles, he isn't a recurring character with a huge importance to the plot. At the same time, Karl is a character the audience knows and likes enough for his death to have impact.
Conclusion: Karl's a gonner.
I hope it's Karl.
Who cares about Karl, his girlfriend and his mother-in-law?
I don't.
Karl's got to die. Claire's story isn't wrapped up yet, if she dies I'll be seriously pissed.
I believe it will be Miles. I bet his ability to talk to dead people is because he was declared clinically dead sometime when he was younger.
My guess is Karl. I never got used to him, even if he does remind me a little of Luke Skywalker.
I'm 100% sure it's Karl. And another romantic relationship outside of the quadrangle crapola bites the dust.
Didn't the "Claire gets pushed out of the helicopter" theory get shot down as a hoax in the rumors section already?
I still hope it's Claire that dies, but if it is her it's obvious that it'll be in a way other then the one posited in this post.
From what I remember dark has confirmed the rumour about Claire being pushed out of the helicopter as hoax, so I guess that rules her out.
I also can't imagine Miles, brought as a special character in S4, and being kept on grenade diet for like three episodes after some ranting and blackmailing, to be set free (as seen in sneak peeks) and then killed off.
Has to be Karl then, though I bet the fans and critics will laugh their asses off after the trailers dramatic foreshadowing the death. And rightfully so.
Claire is the "obvious" choice because of the Kate/Aaron FF, but I don't think her story is finished yet, the Jack/Claire connection still has to be addressed + Charlie just died trying to "save" C&A so it would be kinda s**** to kill Claire off too..
Me thinks, Karl is a goner..
I'm saying Karl. Further, here's something else to think about... what if Karl is Ben's method of escape? Remember that Ben etc were trying to brainwash him in room 23... maybe Ben will use his codeword, turning Karl into a (rubbish) killing machine.
I've always assumed that Miles would be the on to reveal to Jack and Claire that they are related after having an enlightening sit down with Christian's ghost. What would be the point of creating a character with his sort of special talent, only to kill him off before that talent could come into play?
I think that it will be Karl who is killed. And hopefully, for drama's sake, he will die while trying to protect Alex from the freighties who are after Ben.
Doesn't anyone else remember the rumor during the break between season 3 and 4 about the "diva" who wasn't getting along with the rest of the cast that was in danger of being killed off? Wasn't the general consensus at the time that it was Clair?
Remember back in "The cost of living" Eko finally got some brand new clothes...and then died..
Well watch the sneak peak for the next episode...and lo and behold Karl has a snazzy new outfit....
Bye bye Karl, methinks...
Definitely Karl, for all the reasons stated above.
But I don't like how Claire is doing in these polls? Is anyone else upset at the way she's being handled? She used to be a great character - she was behind some of the MAJOR pieces of drama and action in Season 1...and then she had Aaron and they couldn't figure out what to do with her.
Bye Bye Karl, we hardly knew you!
Karl dies protecting Ben from miles is my guess.
It would be dramatic, then Ben cans how us his doctor skilsl and try to save him, restoring his daughters fate in him. NOW THAT'S DRAMA!
Alex, stay strong....
I hope it isn't Karl, I like him, and he is also in my fantasy league team...
I'll cross my fingers that it's Claire.
I voted Claire, but after reading all the comments and that in the preview it says Ben gets alex to leave the camp, im now thinking Karl.
Even though Claire is a 'main', she's still an inferior character played by an actress of subpar talent. I've been waiting for her to be part of the cast 'culling' for some time.
Now that we've been made aware of she & Aaron's connection to Jack through her last flashback, she has no storyarc left. They've killed superior characters a bit too early in their own narrative with Eko & Ana, yet she lingers? Time to GO.
Claire hasn't got on the helicopter yet, like Des said.
ill guarantee that Karl is the one who dies...
obviously not Miles, we still have more to learn about him...
and Claire... we'll get ONE more Claire centric episode before they kill her off..
Y'know, if I absolutely HAD to select someone for death, someone who wasn't considered a redshirt, extra, etc...
Then it would be Karl. He simply hasn't been on-screen long enough to give a damn about.
So with that in mind, I sincerely hope it is the Ben-defying one, because for differing reasons, I really like the other two.
oh and wasnt that Claire being pushed out of the helicopter thing confirmed as being a HOAX?!
Btw, if the cast of Lost was to be culled based on talent, then Kate would have died in the original crash and the final episode would feature a very lonely Terry O'Quinn and Michael Emerson.
Hey guys... I was very sad to see Sun at Jin's grave. If they continue to kill the Losties, I will just give up this shown and I'm sure many people will do. These past 2 seasons are a mess, lots of killing.
There will be a game changer which is the time travel that will allow dead losties to be brought back to life (changing the course of things), so the writers have thought of it already. Expect Charlie to be back, Shannon, Boone, Nick, Paulo, Eko, Ana Lucia & Libby they're all going to reappear.
Ummm... DarkUfo, didn't you confirm the Claire-falls-from-helicopter was a hoax?
I love your site, but with you confirming Jin as O6, and now Aaron (despite Jack's story that Kate saved 7 passengers from the water), I am starting to become REALLY confused about what is true (or meant to be) on this site and what is not.
hasta la vista Karl,
Jeremy Davies (Daniel) isn't credited for the next ep, so if Claire dies, she doesn't die like that.
Miles still has to use his "gift" on the island for some reason. I'm sure of it.
So, see ya, Karl. I probably won't miss you.
Voted Karl.
But I don't like the options, I like the three characters, especially Miles, a ghostbuster would have a lot of interesting work on the Island.
Your starting to sway me towards Karl with your arguments. But I think it will be a flashback death non death. Where Miles is clinically dead and brought back to life and can now talk to dead people.
Kick me if I'm wrong.. but wasn't the Claire/pushing out debunked as foiler in the Rumours section a while ago?
Gotta go with Kaarrlll!
You should add a button «Are you Sure?» Even if you don't give it straight away, I would never guessed Karl as one of the suspected victims.
Helicopter is still on the freighter and Claire is at the Othersville. I don't think one episode is enough for Claire scenario. Plus Killing Claire now is a disgrace to the character. TPTB, hear me, give the girl screen time. She's the mother of Aaron, sister of Jack, daughter of Christian :(
Karl seems the most plausible. Who cares?
Wasn't filming of episode 8 completed awhile ago - like in November and before the strike? If so, how would TPTB have known that Leung and Bashoff would have play committments that would not allow them to come back once the strike was over? They wouldn't have known whent he strike was going to be settled.
This "death" had to be planned all along. Nonetheless, I still voted for Karl. He seems like a nice enough guy...just not sure what he brings to the show.
Also, I would not consider Claire dying as a "minor" spoiler. I like the idea that Miles dies in a flashback and is brought back and thats how he got his powers.
The helicopter isn't on the boat.
Lapidus told Keamy that he was ready and would be right back.
I assume that they flew somewhere.
Maybe Keamy tries to kidnap Ben, and ends up killing... one of these three.
Helicopter is still on the freighter and Claire is at the Othersville.
Actually, Lapidus left with it last episode...
But you're right. It's not Claire.
Agree with future_aaron: I would not consider Claire dying as a "minor" spoiler.
Haven't people been guessing that Claire would be "offed" for two years now! IMO, the death drama of a major character was last week. It will be someone relatively unimportant.
Blake didn't get cast in Spring Awakening until mid-December when John Gallagher Jr. left the cast. After the writers strikes I think he and the producers of Lost started talks to figure out how to resolve the conflict, as he is only ever listed as a guest star he is not bound to the show, as we all know from Nestor Carbonell taking the role in Cane. Furthermore, this is not the first time a recurring actor on the show has had a prior committment that has resulted in their characters not appearing for several episodes. The actors who play Rose and Bernard have both had other jobs and so their characters would fade into the background until one or both of the actors became availabe again. Similarly, during the second season of Lost, Henry Ian Cusik shot several episodes of 24 before returning for the season finale of Lost.
In summation, having another committment, such as a play, is not necessarily a kiss of death for a character. In fact, the producers might have been pleased that an actor such as Blake Bashoff, who is not well known, took a role during the strike that might have gained him some recognition.
Therefore, I do not believe that Karl is dying.
@m.d.s.
"Didn't the "Claire gets pushed out of the helicopter" theory get shot down as a hoax in the rumors section already?"
Yes, it did. About a month ago, I guess.
Well, all three "possibilities" are possible. Two are more likely to happen.
1. There were rumors about Claire dying that way and about EdR beeing the annoying person on set. If these turn out to be purposely planted scuttlebutts - they´re brutal.
2. Karl - what makes me think here, is the fact that we don´t have any backstory for him. It was never shown and thatfor, it probably isn´t important.
That´s some kind of a deathsentence, don´t you think?
3. Miles - not without a good plotline and, right now, I don´t see that. Miles threatend Ben by blackmailing him - ok. But I don´t get rid of the feeling that there´s more behind the Ben-Miles-Connection.
Miles reveals to the Locke-group that their death is part of the mission.
Isn´t he tied up? Who´s loosing temper and kills him, or will it be in selfdefense? Naaaa
He´s kill by a beach-camper or a freighty? Naaa again - Very expensive and exclusive canon fudder he would be.
He´s going to die? Yes, 100 percent sure of that, but not yet.
My bet is on Karl. But still - there´s allways a little truth in every lie.
money is on miles, although *pouts i will miss ken l.
definitely not claire-jack and her need bro/sis time first
I'm hoping that it's Karl, nothing personal against him, but I've got an odd feeling that it'll be Claire. I can envision a scenario where Lapidus flew off with a team and finds out the location of Otherville. Perhaps Ben realizes it too late, urging people to flee. Chaos everywhere, and something happens. Dunno, I could see it.
I mean, the previews keep on mentioning a shocking death (including the TV UGO article below), and unless the shocking death is storyline enhanced for Miles or Karl, I fail to see how either one would be a shocking move. Karl's done too little to be of significance, unless they suddenly do something with 23 with him, and that would seem forced. Miles? Hasn't done much either, although speaking to the dead may qualify. I'm not sure they would play two "time deaths" (last week - Jin, even if there are conspiracy theories out there, the writers intent is to have us initially buy Jin as dead at the very least) back to back. All in all, it really does feel like this adds up to Claire's death. Positing another scenario, but maybe they flee early and somehow rendevous with Jack's team. The freighties come. Somehow Jack learns Claire is his half sister (a casual Ben comment, a Miles comment?). Then the assault begins and maybe this is the beginning of the end??
Dunno, but for all the buildup to something shocking, I'll be a bit disappointed if it's Karl. I can see a bit more possibilities with a Miles death.
ken is credited on IMDB for ep 409, so Karl then???
Charles said... Daniel PUSHING her out of a helicopter? I mean, Claire annoys me too, but I can't imagine Daniel doing that. Wednesday, March 19, 2008 3:10:00 PM
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Me neither. Unless it was an accident. But that'd be a REALLY dumb way to kill off a character :)
I've said all along Miles. However...
* TPTB said they wrote that character specifically for Ken Leung. Why would they do it if they're just going to kill him off? Also isn't Miles supposed to return in the next few episodes?
* Daniel is not a killer, I doubt he'd push Claire out of a helicopter.
* In the episode summary for tomorrow, it says Ben tries to get Alex's help. Could be he uses Karl's death as a bargaining chip.
See ya Karl.
I like the idea of Miles dieing in the past and getting the ability to communicate with the "other"side
If Claire dies it's probably going to happen like Shannon and Libby, when we least expect it. I hope she hangs around for more with the psychic and Jack.
If Karl dies that's weak. Doesn't move the story anywhere, unless he's the killer.
The only way I could see Daniel pushing Claire out of the helicopter is him freaking out like Des did and forgets who he is and accidently pushes her out.
Des did say he saw her and Aaron getting on the helicopter in a flash so it makes me wonder?
Jorge Garcia said that the end of this episode is one of the most shocking ever. Hmm....
Bye bye Karl.
Sorry, but people are expecting Claire's death - highly unlikely it will happen imo and then what's the point of Miles' death really? His character was wrote for a reason.
Karl's lightweight material too, they can say there's going to be a death and still deliver a death as the audience is familiar with his character.
My guess is Karl.
First I thought maibe Claire, but I think she will end being stuck on the island. And even more important: If Daniel pushes Claire out of the window, his whole character will be ruined (even if he does it on purpose or something).
And Mile is not done yet :)
there's gonna be so much happening in this episode, it's gonna be hard to fit it all in one hour.
Well Emilie De Ravin and Ken Leung are both credited on imdb for eppy 9 and the karl actor isn't .....
so I vote Karl
definitley karl...claire is definitley out, that was posted under rumors a while ago and dark confirmed it as a hoax--
as for miles--here's hoping its not him
yo karl!! i'll see ya in another life brotha
I feel like it's Claire - it's been foreshadowed already. And though Karl is back for this episode, the actor hasn't renewed his contract with the musical he's doing... Possibly to go back to Hawaii for filming?
Bye Karl!!!!!!!!!!
Bye Bye Karl
I find it hilarious that the poll shows Claire leading by a country mile.
KARL,KARL,KARL!
Since when has ABC marketing every been accurate. I think there is a death, but when they say it is "shocking" it probably means it really isn't that shocking and definitely not a major character. I'm guessing Karl. Plus, in one of the post-strike interviews, I'm pretty sure Damon/Carlton mentioned needing to get Ken Leung back after his play in New York.
Who are all the people voting Claire when everyone commenting is saying (rightly) that it'll be KARL? The fact that Daniel isn't even in the episode should be a clue that he's not going to be pushing Claire out of the helicopter!
Really, I don't want Claire to die. Nway, if she dies, Charlie's sacrifice will be seen so cheaply that I highly doubt it.
The only big X-factor with Karl is his stint in Room 23. Is it possible that whatever Manchurian Candidate-style conditioning he underwent comes into play finally? Maybe he does something he wouldn't normally do and subsequently pays the price. In that case, I'd bank on more than one person dying.
Right let's analyse this with some on-screen and off-screen logic.
Ken Leung is meant to be playing a large part on broadway soon which is where his true talents lie. As there have been no major changes to the play he is in, it seems likely that Miles will either go away for a while or die, but there is a lot more to his story yet.
Emile De Ravin. The Lost producers mentioned that they would have preffered for Ji Yeon to be the episode to air before the season cut off and then return with Meet Kevin Johnson (and now we all know why). They mentioned that Meet Kevin Johnson ends 'like a normal episode of Lost' whereas Ji Yeon has a 'season finale moment', which was Michael's appearance. A major death in an episode which the Lost producers do not see as a season finale seems highly unlikely to me.
Blake Bashoff has been receiving an awful lot of acting offers. Karl is also a character that the fans are not heavily invested in, so many things point to his death.
So I think Karl.
The role of Miles was written specifically with Ken Leung in mind. He hasn't done anything yet to really justify his role on the show - I think TPTB have bigger plans for him yet.
I actually like the idea of Claire getting pushed out of the chopper, and by Faraday of all people. However like was mentioned by the poster above me, there was talk of having Ji Yeon being the last show before the break for the cliffhanger effect. Faraday killing Claire and taking the baby would be a helluva lot more cliff hanger-esque as it would leave a million questions while cementing the Freighters as truely evil - whereas to this point they are largely unknown, but seemingly not unreasonable.
Karl is a goner. There is no where to go with his storyline. This would free up Alex and Danielle to hopefully become bigger players in the show.
The only question to me is who kills Karl? The Freighters, Locke, Alpert's Others(I mean he did lead to 10 Others getting killed in the beach raid), Ben?
If Claire dies I will be seriously bummed.
I'm going for Miles as I have suspected his death ever since I heard of the play.
IMDB may be crediting for ep 4.09 but there has been no official crediting yet.
I will still stick with my opinion on claire. This is lost guys (people who like her char) even if you die does not mean your out of the mix LOST has proven that Libby will be back (dead) charle (dead) Tom aka mr nice (dead) etc etc.. yes there where small rolls but clair roll is so small no anyway But even the dead char still do play a part in the story line of LOST.Enjoy
foot note
The Claire spoiler by the craft service person has been confirmed as NOT TRUE so that might help you clair fans. When this was first spoke about it was supposed to be in EP4 then EP 7 so its BS. Still think it is clair though sry lol
IMDB may be crediting for ep 4.09 but there has been no official crediting yet.
Cant trust IMDB all the time they have been wrong before on many things but good forums though lol
Claire definitely! We saw where's Aaron in the future, didn't we?
Claire definitely! We saw where's Aaron in the future, didn't we?
We don't know the entire circumstances, and being lost, I think she's safe on the Island.
We don't know the entire circumstances, and being lost, I think she's safe on the Island.
Na think she is dead because she would not give up aaron without a fight
Dark, Just to clarify Are you saying that one of these 3 mentioned ARE GOING TO DIE or might Die in Episode 8 ?????
Could you please clear this up :)
I pray that it is Claire. I can barely remember liking her character....
madcap1: I think it'd be even MORE tragic if Claire was left on the island, alive, without Aaron. A death would actually be a blessing to a mother without her child. It'd be even more depressing to see her moping about, hating life without her son.
But I think Karl will die: it'll be like Laverne dying on Scrubs - not a main character anyone particularly cares about, but still a bummer when she died because it affected Carla in a big way.
Karl's death in itself won't be that bad for the audience, but I bet it'll make: Ben a softer man regretting his mistakes with Alex; Sawyer, Danielle and Alex more hateful of everyone; and the freighter crew seem more evil for killing a helpless kid.
No-one watching Lost will miss Karl that much but it will have a profound effect on the characters that we DO care about, which is actually far more important.
@Andrew Sparkes
True very good point thanks.
I still think clair will die on the island and not be alive on it. Jin on the other hand I still think he is alive on the island. Andrew Sparkes said
But I think Karl will die: it'll be like Laverne dying on Scrubs - not a main character anyone particularly cares about
That is also a great point Never even thought of that thanks again and it is so true she is def slipping with the fans
karl is toast.
Just for the people who believe the whole Claire pushed/accidentally bumped out of the helicopter thing: If that happened, that she was accidentally bumped out, I would seriously laugh so hard. That sounds so ridiculous!
If Claire was the one to die, I would be so angry! Not just because I like her character and feel she's under used, but because of the Charlie/Claire situation and how it was handled. I was only pissed at Charlie's death because it made Hurley cry, and because of the under use of the Charlie/Claire connection. If they would've shown more of them together before Charlie actually died, then it would have made his death more sad. And then after Claire found out he died, she cried once and seemed find after. I'm sure if I lost someone that special to me on an island, I wouldn't have my one cry and then be fine.. Which she seems she is (except for the time she said she couldn't sleep in "Eggtown". I thought it was because of Charlie). I'm only really ranting about this because they were the only ship I really believed in. And now if Claire died, it would really make Charlie's death worthless. The Jack/Claire thing could always be resolved with Ben. The thing that would irk me most, is that Charlie would've died for nothing.
Also the rumor of a 'diva' on the lost set was confirmed as untrue. Seems like Kristen was just spreading false rumors. It's been said that Emilie de Ravin is just as nice as her character.
P.S. I wouldn't mind Claire getting some "running-through-the-jungle-for-her-life-but-then-she-survives" action though. :)
P.P.S. Had a hard day: needed the quick rant.
It´s miles that goes down.
Damon sayed that they writed that caracter just for ken.
In there last interview they talked about smokey and that smokey "has rules to come out".
We know that ken is a great lyier and we already know that smokey defends the island and judges the lyiers...
So smokey will make an appearance to kill miles.
i may not be totally right, but i doubt claire's gonna die. i'm a producer for a college talk show and i a in contact with emilie de ravin's agent about her coming on my show (we're based in los angeles) and she is supposed to be filming in march and most of april so that doesn't sound like the shooting schedule of someone getting killed :/ if she does though, that would be really upsetting, but i think it's a little too soon for that to happen if she is indeed on the chopping block for the show
@Andrew - Ben getting softer? We already know that he takes a much aggressive edge in the future, because instead of warding off the freighties, he seems to be, with Sayid, attacking them.
on Karl - I guess I could see a way where Karl's death would be shocking, but it would entail someone we don't expect being the one to pull the trigger. I guess, they could get really complex, and maybe have Alex be the one that pulls the trigger, perhaps because of some conditioning that Karl went through. Or maybe Karl's conditioning leads him to work for Ben, but Ben offs him in the end. I guess another possibility might be the sacrifice route, where Karl's death protects Alex. All in all, it's going to have to be a jam packed episode, IMO, for a Karl death to be shocking.
on Claire - Just because the whole plane thing was debunked doesn't mean that she can't die another way. I don't know UGO's track record and whether or not they like to needle people.
on Miles - There seems to be too much left for his character. You don't give the person the ability to talk to the dead and have him disappear for a bit only to return and get offed. You don't intentioanlly give him a name to sound like maelstrom and not put in some cool maelstrom like graphics or, I guess, situation.
If Alex pulls the trigger on Karl, it'd be like history repeating itself (ie Danielle and Robert, her husband)
Argh, it's annoying to see that blatantly made-up helicopter rumour posted again!
Seriously, does Daniel look like a cold-blooded murderer?
I'm not saying it won't be Claire, but it won't be like that. My prediction is it'll be Karl.
I still don't understand why people like a character like Claire... she bringed nothing to the show, at all... All she did was have a baby, and love Charlie... but she hasn't done anything that help the storyline of the show to move on. So I think.
I definetely think it's Karl....Miles just got introduced, and since he's a spiritualist, I think he's most certainly going to try and contact Jacob in some way. And even though Calire has been rumored to die before, i think if they do it, it will be later in the season. My bet's on Karl.
My guess is Karl - he's a pretty damn big part In Spring Awakening (Mortiz) so i can't see how he'd be able to have the time off - most principles in show's only have about 4 weeks holiday...
samus88:
Just because a character has been underused or is irrelevant to the plot doesn't mean that we should automatically dislike them. I mean, Locke brings bucket loads of story, but as of now (I have before, and I'm sure I will later on), I don't like him at all. So, people can like a character just because they like them. Same goes with disliking. :)
For people who say 'don't worry - if the character dies they will still be back loads'... I don't mind characters not being on the show.
What I don't like is when they have a plot that you want to continue past the end of the show (Desmond/Penny, Charlie/Claire, Jin/Sun are examples) I don't want people like that to die, even in the LAST episode of the programme.
Usually this applies even more to the 'underused' characters, like Claire, because it is not the mysteries of the island that drives their stories but their character relationships. Characters like Jack, Locke, Ben may have a much more compelling purpose in death than in survival, but people like Claire do not.
Lots of people watch the show for the relationship aspect, and I think this is the reason why so many people would be upset to see Claire die.
Written on Doc Artz:
(On a lot of comments about Claire being 'finished')
I'm getting a little tired of this "Claire's story is finish" crap.
Who's to say that there's not another story there? Who's to say that Claire didn't try and run away in her teens and stumbled upon someone from the Dharma Initiative that will later come in to cause chaos on the Losties. Like, anything goes on this show. And also, if Claire doesn't die, then there's her FF stories to see.
Never assume a character's story is done until their underground.
And even then, they're most likely to show up again.
@Golden no offense at all but i think your wrong on that. I can care less about the kate triangle (wich is the most pointless thing on lost) the jack and juilet rose benard etc etc.. The real meat of the show is the mystery why do you think the COnstant was by far the best ep this season cause that is the stuff we want is it time travel what is smokey where are the others so on and so on. I agree that the char are very improtant part of the show but they are just a back drop to what many of us watch lost for. Also proven fact on lost is if your a couple your SCREWED like Clair Charle = charle dies Jin Sun = jin dies (or still on the island) huley libby = libby dies syid shannon = shannon dies.
@Golden and like I said I mean no offense to you at all. sry if you think I was trying to offend you but for me and others the mystery is the show.
Yes madcap, the mysteries are important, but the writers have said countless times, the characters (who they were, who they will be, their interactions, troubles and successes) drive the show to what it is.
P.S. Can everyone tell the I REALLY don't want Claire to die? Man, I need a life! :)
Au revoir, Karl.
Silly, but I kind of liked him. Not that he has had enough screen time to be liked or disliked :)
@robotiq I do agree with that but some of the best show the writers did are the ones like the constant they just seem to fall flat with some of the char dev (kate,clair)I used to like kate but now because how they are prog her char I think she nothing but a back stabing bitch (sry)also with clair they are doing in my opinion the worst ever with that char I used to love clair but know I can care less about here thanks to how they are moving here story it just sucks lol. Personally Dez is my fav on the show.
P.S. Can everyone tell the I REALLY don't want Claire to die? Man, I need a life! :)
lol you fine she used to be one of my fav also untill like i posted before they just ruined her char for me even if they start to do more things with her the damage is done for me.
I say bring back Artz lol that char was great until they blew him up I was really liking him lol
Madcap, I get what you mean. The Constant was the most amazing episode ever. But even though that episode was successful, others continue with the biggest mistake I believe the writers make: Character development to the wrong characters. I mean, right now, I don't think anyone on earth would care for a second Kate-Centric episode, but apparently we're getting one (Ask Kristen). The declining popularity of once loved characters are loosing their edge by being pushed away, or being portrayed worthlessly. Like in Eggtown, instead of showing Claire sad and mopping with Aaron, they showed her energetic, social, and they developed a kate/claire friendship further. If they would have showed her sad, then the moment when she confronts Locke would have shown her slowly getting ready to be part of the show again. But with her happy and stuff, it looks like she doesn't really remember Charlie. Another thing to come out of her looking sad and mopey, would be a bigger emotional moment when/if she found Charlie's ring and letter. It's just not the best story telling. You know what I mean? And this is just for ONE of the characters. I hope I'm not coming off as selfish or anything, as if I want to run the show or something (lol how cool would that be) but that's just one of the disappointing character developments to happen after season one..
Now if you can believe it... more type!
Well, lets state some facts: Ken Leung and Emilie de Ravin are both said on imdb.com to be appearing in episode 9. We all probably automatically think "oh, Karl obviously dies"! But, if you look at the episodes after a character has died, they're in it. Either dead, or in the case of Ana Lucia, a dream-vision-ghost-person. So, lets not all jump to conclusions. Claire MAY DIE (knock on wood) and be shown dead. Karl isn't a MAIN character, so he could easily just be shoved back into the background for a bit... Who knows really.. So, I guess those weren't actually facts.... I'm so tired (but interested)!
So, if Claire does die in this episode (knock wood) then the letter from Charlie and the ring must obviously be found, because without that event, there's no real significance. So, if you REALLY think about it, Claire probably most likely doesn't die. Plus everyone seems to die in their own centric episode, which we can all guess: it's not.
More on 4.09 cast issues, Claire is listed, Miles is listed, Karl is not, Alex is not, Rousseau is not (little family lost a member?) and neither is Frank. Which makes me think: Did the chopper even get back to this island? (Which would rule out helicopter-kick-Claire-out-theory) ... But he's listed in tomorrow's episode. SO: Here's my overall theory: Frank gets to the island, but since a lot of the episode is theoretically Michael's, then the time for Claire to get to the other side of the island to get on a helicopter with a baby, seems impossible. And also, usually when a character dies, they get the spotlight, and you know, a build up to their death. Might not have time for that. Seeing as Karl is not THAT important, he won't really need that. And even then, he might just be credited, but not even in the episode (EX. Harold Perrineau and the first half of this season).
Maybe I should write a book of theories of mine. Jeeze Louise! :)
Good night everyone!
trying this again.
Just because the helicopter rumor was false does not mean claire is safe. It is entirely possible to die in a different way other than being shoved out of a helicopter.
Also, does anyone have the list of the people Dark said "one of these people will not live to the end of the season"?
Madcap
I watch the show for the mysteries too, don't get me wrong. But the Constant was so popular because it was an episode that nailed it on BOTH fronts. Penny & Desmond is the best love story on the show, possibly on tv right now.
It shouldn't be a proven fact that all good relationships are screwed. I think Claire probably will die but I think Jin will survive. Some of the most powerful moments on this show will be the reunions of Season 6, i feel. And don't get me wrong, I'm not talking about sex and the latest pairing. I'm talking about those relationships which are strong enough not to waver and have only gotten stronger throughout the show.
I know more people watch the show for the mysteries than for the relationships but its a mistake to think that the reason we (any of us) watch it is the same reason that anyone else watches. In my opinion, the difference between this show being good and being one of the all time greats could end up being the body count.
Robotiq - the cast listed on IMDB is the series regulars. This exact cast was listed for upcoming episodes all season until the 'official' cast list was revealed, so I'm not buying it as being the cast list yet.
LOL Thats right the letter omg You sir are right. what the heck. The ring I remembered but I forgot all about that not. I was thinking about that ring it was last seen in the crib! you would think someone would have found it like Sun. example "jin clair left her crib" sun says Jin responds "who clair" "you know the blond that we never see anymore" says sun "I dont think she will miss it lets take it so I can use it" and as they start to move the crib the ring falls out and sun finds it. There prob solved LOL
Golden Good point The Dez and Penny is so true you are right about that I very much do enjoy there story. I guess for me I think that the char or lack there of is very poor this season I dont like the direction at all for some (jake He pulled the triger that changed everything for me)the new char are good but there dropping the ball on others. I know that they will change after the first season but Kate omg what a crime also Clair I want her to die so that fine actress can move on to something else lol the few movies she was in she was good. It just a shame good actress
I agree madcap - this season is great in a lot of ways but in terms of 'character time' I think they have dropped the ball on those who went with Locke... just not much screen time there. The nice thing when everyone was together on the beach was that the 'centric' character could play out different on-island scenes with different people, and so it felt like everyone got a fair go.
Still, these are the characters (on the whole) who will 'stay behind' and I hope this will mean some decent screen time for these guys in season 5. A bit like Sayid's turn around from season 3 to season 4.
Oh, and thinking of reunions... Claire/Aaron could be really good... imagine a mother and a child who barely knows her. Awkward, and incredibly rough on everyone.
I wonder if this death is a red hering of sorts ?
Could one of these characters (Karl) die but there is something bigger involved ?
What if Danielle has to kill Karl to protect Alex !!
History repeating itself in away and Danielle has to kill someone close to her again.
Would make for some great mother and daughter drama. Sending Alex back into Ben's arms.
or
Ben could off Karl thus causing Alex to move further away from him and into Danielle's arms.
I doubt know the whys or hows but for some reason Karl acts differntly (room 23 / going off and on the island)and endangers Alex life.
Can't be Miles 'cuz we hardly know him.
Can't be Claire 'cuz she & Jack don't know that they're brother & sister. (Once they know, then they can kill her off.)
Therefore...
Au revoir, Karl! It was nice knowing yah, but I never really cared for u, sry!!!
But what if it's not once of these three charcters. Worn't they saying that this episode was a major cliff-hanger? Maybe that means that once else will get killed off instead. Hm...
Personally I wish they'd kill Kate. That would make the story interesting, plus I would be SOOOOOOOOO happy to be rid of her... but that damn O6 position has her guaranteed- at least for the time being... damn it.
KILL KATE KILL KATE KILL KATE.
since that's not an option I would next like to see Miles get offed- but I'm guessing it's Karl... the way that this would even play into the drama is that it's ben's daughter's lover, so that means there will be some choices perhaps that ben might have to make in the future-what with his daughter hating him further, that he might not have otherwise made... that could be interesting too...
although I still wish they would kill kate off.. I say we start a campaign to get Kate killed off...
I really don't want claire to die either, i don't want anymore original survivors to die anymore. karl cannot die until he tells us how the hell he got to the island, everytime they show the barracks i keep hoping somebody will just ask him. do you think he moved in with alex when ben was tied up or do you think alex moved in with her mom to bond. we gotta hear more dialogue between the two of them, more than "do you want to help me tie him up" miles on the other hand is toast - not answering when ben threw out that little twist to sawyers offer to just give them ben shows the same admission that charlottes silence gave when ben started summarizing her life earlier in the season. the losties and others have killed people and accidentally killed people for all kinds of reasons. how long will they allow someone who admits he is there to kill everyone to live? miles is toast.
I really don't want claire to die either, i don't want anymore original survivors to die anymore. karl cannot die until he tells us how the hell he got to the island, everytime they show the barracks i keep hoping somebody will just ask him. do you think he moved in with alex when ben was tied up or do you think alex moved in with her mom to bond. we gotta hear more dialogue between the two of them, more than "do you want to help me tie him up" miles on the other hand is toast - not answering when ben threw out that little twist to sawyers offer to just give them ben shows the same admission that charlottes silence gave when ben started summarizing her life earlier in the season. the losties and others have killed people and accidentally killed people for all kinds of reasons. how long will they allow someone who admits he is there to kill everyone to live? miles is toast.
I really don't want claire to die either, i don't want anymore original survivors to die anymore. karl cannot die until he tells us how the hell he got to the island, everytime they show the barracks i keep hoping somebody will just ask him. do you think he moved in with alex when ben was tied up or do you think alex moved in with her mom to bond. we gotta hear more dialogue between the two of them, more than "do you want to help me tie him up" miles on the other hand is toast - not answering when ben threw out that little twist to sawyers offer to just give them ben shows the same admission that charlottes silence gave when ben started summarizing her life earlier in the season. the losties and others have killed people and accidentally killed people for all kinds of reasons. how long will they allow someone who admits he is there to kill everyone to live? miles is toast.
Ben kills Karl to get Alex to leave the island so she has nothing to make her stay.............thats my theory
Also that claire getting pushed outta a helicopter......ummmmmm wasn't that debunked like a month ago in the rumor section?
I wouldn't mind if they kill miles as the preemptive strike to tell the boaties STAY AWAY or you'll be like him.
"Btw, if the cast of Lost was to be culled based on talent, then Kate would have died in the original crash and the final episode would feature a very lonely Terry O'Quinn and Michael Emerson."
...and Naveen Andrews.
Actually, (the more I think about it) , I really shouldn't be so certain that Claire is safe. You never really know with Lost. The Jack/dad/Claire story can be resolved and continued using Claire's ghost.
Maybe she really will die?
I'd miss her though.
Well, personally I'd like it to be Miles since the guy seriously rubs me the wrong way.
But I think it will be Karl. They love destroying couples on this show and it looks like this one is next. I imagine Ben will kill him.
However, I wouldn't be surprised if somebody kills Miles, and he like, comes back.
Claire dying, I don't think so. She's a main character and they usually die with closure.
So I am guessing Karl. Shame, I liked him. But he's been practically a walking corpse for ages now.
Gotta be Karl. Claire is save cos of her backstory isnt finished yet & Miles is save cos I wanna see what he thinks of the Whispers & also interact with Jacob himself.
I hope is not Karl, i wanna see his flashback...
i'm 99% sure it's karl, cuz i kinda cheated...if you go to the website that lists all the actors credits, the actors of claire and miles and given credits for being in the episode after meet kevin johnson. though the actor who plays karl is listed as not being in the next episode. so, it's pretty obvious that unless they show miles or claire in a flashback next week, they are still going to be alive, which i'm glad. i don't want claire to die.
LMFAOOOOOOOO @ whoever thought they would kill off Claire this soon.. lolz
I love this site, Dark, but I wish this poll had been hidden, it sort of ruined the ending of MKJ for me. I feel it was too big of a spoiler to not be under tags, even if it gave three choices.
God you guys are a bunch of wishful thinkers, at least for this epi. At least we now know that the 26% were right......that being said, like I said in the other thread, if they didn't kill Danielle with that shot they'd better just run and hide. I think Ben set them up to be honest, to kill Karl and Danielle and get Alex back......oh Ben, you are in TROUBLE if Danielle gets back to you.....Danielle's going to cut your weiner off!