Juliet finds out Daniel and Charlotte are there to stop Ben and are more good guys then bad. She doesn't shoot them.
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wow i think this episode will be better than The Constant
Uh-oh... but... if that's the case... I reckon that it doesn't bode well for either Daniel or Charlotte... nothing will happen in this episode, but perhaps a future one... sounds like #9 is Charlotte-centric...?
Perhaps this station is also the one controlling smokey? Since it seems to be some sort of security station...?
I knew there was a reason why I checked this site at 1 am my time. Your awesome dark, keep it up!!
Awesome! I thought as much.
Dark, from what you know, can we take it that Dan/Charlotte are telling the truth? Or is it one of them things that leaves us wondering who to believe?
And again, Dark, thank you so much for these!
lol Derek! You think that's bad, I woke up this morning at 5am am and logged on. I should seek help soonish.
Dark, from what you know, can we take it that Dan/Charlotte are telling the truth?
From what I know from my various sources so far, there is nothing to suggest to me that they aren't telling the truth regarding this.
does that mean jack wont be there with juliet...*shifty*?
These small POST PRODUCTION snippets (1-6) are giving away far too much.. all of them together are a MASSIVE spoiler, releasing them slowly doesn't dilute their content. Personally, I dont mind, but some people dont want to be totally spoiled. Someone raised this point earlier on. They should be behind spoiler tags, in my opinion.
For the VERY last time and I will not repeat myself any more.
1) This is a Spoiler Site!
2) The ONLY spoilers that will go behind "Are you sure" buttons are the full episode synopsis and Death reveals.
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I'm getting fed up everytime I put up a spoiler that people want it behind an are you button. Maybe I should put the whole site behind a "Are you sure" button.
Please for the sake of my sanity.
Stop.
LOL! I don't get why these folks read the stuff and then get all pissed about being able to read it!?!? For pete's sake... "Help me! Dark is like crack, and I can't stop reading!"
These snippets aren't very good actually... Nothing has been revealed that we couldn't deduce by the trailers... I miss insiderscoop :( lol
Thanks Dark. Is the Tempest a different hatch or is it something to do with the Orchid?
& it will be interesting to see whether this hatch is behind controlling Smokey, something must be pulling its strings lol
_it will be interesting to see whether this hatch is behind controlling Smokey_
But haven't we been told multiple times by certified 'others' that they don't know what it is. I'm guessing it's not controlled by the others if it's being controlled at all...
People Dark is right these spoilers are not that big spoilers. Maybe if you cant handle snippets you should stop coming to this site altogether or stop visting the spoiler section as this is a spoiler website.
I dont see this being the station controlling smokey as Darlton have confirmed numberous times what smokey is how it works etc is one of those questions to be answered towards the end of the show. So i dont see any answers on smokey untill at the very least nexted season.
Do DARK!!
I love it when you get angry!!
If people don't like spoilers then why come onto a website named spoilerslost.blogspot.com?? Surely common sense would tell you not to!!
@ Dark - THANK YOU. Every single freaking time you put one of these up someone asks that you put up an are you sure button or says you should do it differently and I say you keep doing it how you are. It's your site and if they don't like it they should reread what you put up here. In fact, what you posted in this thread should be on the top of the home page but damn, there I go telling you how to run your site. I'm available for spanking anytime, in fact I'd love it. You're really sexy when you get angry. ;)
That being said, I KNEW they were trying to stop Ben, I just knew it. So I wonder, why would he then warn Alex to get away from the impending attack as we found out in other snippets posted (and NOT behind an are you sure tag, so I'm not spoiling shit here)? Does Ben mean he's going to gas the place and he doesn't want Alex there? Is THAT what happens to the rest of the people and if so, why would some of the O6 want to go back?
If they're "more good than bad" then they could still be a little bit bad. ;)
dharmabeer said
yah but dark you gotta admit, these snippets all put together are pretty damn close to a full synopsis, all the interesting parts anyways. Before you started posting spoilers this way, we didnt get half this much information unless it was under a synopsis button.
I for one think that your giving away too much without making it seem like you are. spoiler site, yah i know, but that doesnt mean everyone on here wants to know everything that might make the episode better if we didnt know it! for example the spoiler that charlotte doesnt get shot by juliette should be considered a character death spoiler, because now all the suspence that this scene would have built up is now lost. All major FOR SURE spoilers should be behind a button.... like anything posted by post produxtion, kristens posts are useless and usually contain mild spoilers, these are NOT mild.
-dark doesnt have to admit anything, he does a great job running this site and as long as it says 'spoiler section' can post whatever the heel he wants and how he wants if its a spoiler
-people read spoilers will intentions of KNOWING whats going to happen in the show, so cut the crap about building suspense
-charlotte not getting shot isnt a 'character death' because she doesnt DIE.
-knowing these are from post produxtion (who gives dark everything) should warn you its BIG info
-the word snippets has probably been misinterpreted as 'only small not much pieves of info'. well in this case a snippet is a small piece of info with who knows what amount of spoiler inside it
and didnt dark ask no one to moan about this? do you not read? its in bold red you know
also, Dark, as you know theres only a small percent of readers who moan about things like this. theyre obviousley not grateful foryour dedication like other readers are (including myself)
i appreciate what you do for the lost community dark, and i appreciate post produxtion for sharing information with us.
People need to know you DONT have to do this for us, its a priveldge not something that we SHOULD have.
so everyone leave dark alone and stop commenting negatively about his way of working in these threads
how many times has dark told you to EMAIL him
Thanks dark.
All these little snippets are really great and I'm sure the majority of people here love them and love what you do.
Makes Kristin and Ausiello seem like amateurs.
Keep up the great work.
Dark thank you for all the work you do and for putting up with all of us. Most of us appreciate it very much. In fact, I love the little snippets, gives me something to look forward to everyday here.
Phew, I'm glad Juliet doesn't shoot them, I wouldn't want her hated for hurting the beloved Dan.
Yes, thanks Dark! These snippets are fun and do not ruin the show. I avoid the BIG spoilers (synopsis, deaths) but the snippets are just right. They get me thinking BEFORE the show airs...which makes watching it more interesting.
This is a well-run site. Its NOT dominated by cranky moderators or posters that are insulted that their theories haven't played out.
Back on topic: getting tougher and tougher to distinquish between the bad guys and the good guys.
This is certainly the most explicit spoiler so far, and I like that.
I always felt Charlotte was too obviously being made into the bad girl, maybe after this episode she'll... chill out for a bit. I seem to recall the actress saying she'd be around for a while...
I don't understand people that wander into areas that are clearly marked "Spoiler" and then whine about getting spoiled. Spoiler means spoiler. I've logged onto sites where there are so many rules about where you post this spoiler or why this spoiler is okay, but if you vere off in this direction or that direction you have to hide the text. It's maddening to log into a spoiler section only to have to keep uncovering the text. It's a spoiler. Deal with it or stay out.
Anyway, thanks Dark! I've loved the snippets and was relatively sure Juliet wasn't going to shoot them, but if they are there to stop Ben and Ben is crying they are bad people, it's getting really hard to figure out if there are any good guys in all of this because they all seem to have an agenda that doesn't necessarily include caring whether innocent people live or die.
I still think Ben is the good side as I truly believe the island has changed Sayid and he wouldn't be working for Ben if he was one of the bad guys!!
Also, if it is Michael on the freighter, he wouldn't spy for Ben if he was a bad guy!!
I still think Ben is the good side as I truly believe the island has changed Sayid and he wouldn't be working for Ben if he was one of the bad guys!!
Also, if it is Michael on the freighter, he wouldn't spy for Ben if he was a bad guy!!
I have trouble putting a guy who murdered over 40 men, women and children into any kind of "good" category. I'm guessing that Sayid is working for him because Ben is holding the lives of his fellow losties over his head and Micheal murdered two women in cold blood and sold his friends out so I wouldn't put anything past him.
My take:
The station controls some form of geothermal energy generated by the Volcano on the island. The Volcano was mentioned in Ben's flashback and the writers commented that it would be revisited in the future.
Volcano's also produce extremely toxic gas and checmicals, and it could be that this station is also able to harness this.
katieb said -
i have trouble putting a guy who murdered over 40 men, women and children into any kind of "good" category. I'm guessing that Sayid is working for him because Ben is holding the lives of his fellow losties over his head and Micheal murdered two women in cold blood and sold his friends out so I wouldn't put anything past him.
1-When we know Dharma were trying to change the world, we dont knoew whether it could have affected millions of people (for the bad) so for now, i assume bens choice was an evil one to murder that many people, but later on when we learn he did it to save the world...we'll love him
its obvious he didnt kill everyone JUST because daddy was nasty to him. we've been told theres lots more to the purge. obviousley dharma folk were no good. i genuinely think a man as clever as benjimen linus (although uses his powers however may evil they may be) uses his powers for the good if the island, whoich could affect many lives off island
2-michael killed ONE woman by accident, like Ana Lucia did to Shannon (different circumstances obviousley though)> I believe Michael was temporarily insane because of suffering traumas such as 'crashing on an island, having his raft blown up, having his child kidnapped, being took hostage, being ordered to betray your friends'. Its a medical illness 'Temporarily insane' which can cause you to go crazy after experiencing a trauma, this is why i forgive ,michael. lets not forget, these people are strangers to him, was with them for three-5 days. i'd kill them if my child (im 14 :P dont have any btw) was at steak
*I* wouldn't be killing innocent people if a child of mine were being held captive... especially if the *life* of that child wasn't necessarily at stake. (Which was the case - there was no threat of actually *killing* Walt if Michael didn't comply!) I don't care how much I love someone - I wouldn't give up my soul by killing an innocent person to get the person I love back! I would try *anything* else!
Watching the last few episodes of season 2, I even thought of *exactly* what I would do had I been Michael - I would have gone straight to Jack, Kate, Sawyer, and Sayid - and explained exactly what happened with the Others, and what they expected him to do. I would have asked them to help me come up with an idea, and pull it off. And of course I would have pointed out that, since a big part of my "mission" involved freeing Ben, clearly Ben is a valuable hostage, so there must be something we can use him for.
^^^^^^^^^^^ But then Ana-Lucia would have survived and been in Season 3, and I don't think anyone wanted that!!LOL!!!!!
Perhaps someone has already answered this question, but is the Tempest the Temple? Seems like in S3 Ben sent his people to the Temple but I am wondering now if I (we) simply misunderstood that or are they actually two different places that just sound pretty much alike.
If so, I hope we are going to see what is going on at the Temple because I am guessing that is where Cindy, the children and the other Tailies who were taken now are. BTW, I find it strange that Jack wouldn't be interested in getting these 815 survivors (especially the children)off the Island; but it seems like he has forgotten there are 815 survivors other than the group he has always led. He saw some of them when he was held captive by Ben, wouldn't he want to see them rescued too?
i still think that the idea of good and bad is not black and white. Maybe what is good for the island is bad for the people and vice versa. DHARMA was there for scientific purposes that was to help humanity. But we have seen, we cannot change fate. I think the island represents the faith and DHARMA the science. To respond to the post above about Michael and killing people for Walt. I am a father and there is nothing I wouldn't do to protect them. I would have done the same thing...now questions asked! Am I right? That is question...It all comes down to choice!
I believe that Michael is a good person. When you have kids of your own you would walk to the end of the earth to protect them. Michael killed Ana Lucia & Libby because he had to, not because he is a bad person!!
of course not.....I mean.....they probably knew of what happened in the 80's so they wanted to make sure it didn't happen again.....I say the gas transportation system is connected to the cerebus vents on the blast door map.
I still think Charlotte has a hidden agenda, especially since she knows a lot more about Dharma than she's letting on.
Out of the 4 freighties, I'd put my trust in Daniel (because he helped Desmond and he didn't need to), and Frank (because I think he wants to redeem himself by saving the Losties).
Miles just seems like he is there for himself, and anyone who thinks of himself first is a danger to everyone else.
@ Russell
1-From the evidence Michael had, walts life was at steak. Walt was screaming and crying about being put in 'the room', these people said michael would never see him again, these people are known for murdering, michael had to assume that they could harm him, lets jusy rephrase and say 'walts well being was at steak', which is just as much crucial to a parent.
2-I doubt going to jack, sawyer and sayid and kate would have helped. Sayid would have just lost the boat (like he did) and the others would have just shot them with freaky tazer guns (like they did). the 815'ers had guns and a boat, the others have submarines and unlimted weapon supplies, theyre almost omnipresent on that island
I say miles is a threat.....I mean to blackmail a guy for 3.2 million? and to smarmy say in response to Hurley's "are you here to kill us?" not yet really makes him hard to read.
Charlotte I think is probably briefed on everything that Dharma did Zooologicallywise......
Charlotte: Zoology
Daniel: Physical Nature of the islands time and magnetic expertise
Miles: Can talk to dead to uncover clues
Frank: helluva pilot if he flied thru a storm
@mysonjack - so by that logic, if someone had my kid in the same way they had Walt, it would be okay for me to go into McDonald's and kill everyone there because that's how I was told I would get my kid back, right? I wouldn't be a bad person right, I did it because I had to……….I'm sorry, I don't follow the logic that it's okay to kill another person if that gets you a loved one back. I can understand wanting to do anything to get your kid back but that doesn’t mean it's okay to kill someone that had nothing to do with your kid being taken in the first place.
From the Oxford English Dictionary, since apparently it's needed:
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Wow. It's almost like visiting a LOST SPOILER site, you might be able to EXPECT it to be ruined for you.
So unless you don't understand the meaning of words, you pretty much have been warned.
Sorry in advance for the length of this. I really appreciate this site so I want to word everything very delicately as to not annoy anyone, especially Dark.
I agree that these are very big spoilers, but even if I were to think, "Oh, I wish I hadn't read that," it's 100% my fault. I'm reading most of the stuff here in the spoiler section, so even if it were behind a button, honestly I would probably take a peek anyway.
I am very grateful to have access to this kind of info ahead of time. It got me through the hiatus with sanity intact. This site is totally awesome and DarkUFO is very generous in the amount of time he spends verifying information with his sources, and updating the site for all of us fans who give him nothing in return.
But I think the comments from some of the readers show a demand (the opposite of supply, not the forceful request) for a division in spoilers. Just hear me out a minute:
The majority of the content in this spoiler section is mild. I come here a lot just to see the sneak peeks or preview trailers for upcoming episodes, and the miscellaneous snippets from interviews in magazine clippings or videos. I think that because a lot of this content is only very mildly spoiling, people forget this is a spoiler section and they feel disappointed when they get spoiled, expecting only to get their curiosity piqued by some obscure hint from a "Watch with Kristen" video, etc.
I don't think people mean to complain when they write this kind of stuff. It does definitely sound like complaining though when they don't mention thanks and only say "this kind of thing should be behind a button." I think some people would just like to have the big spoilers and the extremely mild spoilers separated and if the site is going to be revamped or redesigned any time in the future, this might be a good thing to think about. Maybe a "miscellaneous sources compiled for your convenience (mildly spoiling)" section, and an "insider sources heavy duty-grade spoilers (no further warning, enter at own risk)" section or something like that.
I LOVE this site as is! Very, very much. I check this site with the same frequency as I check my e-mail. That's why I'm going to the trouble of writing this even though nobody may read it or reply or anything. But being realistic for the love of LOST and respect for people like Dark, I think there is a small room for improvement. My eyes are grateful for the recent change in background color when reading those long interviews. I liked the "dark" feel before, but I appreciate white after a while of reading text with a black background. I think a lot of people would agree but never mention it. And I think a lot of people would also be happier than their already happy state this site gives them if there were a further division of content based on degree of "spoileriness" or at least if the very mild things like magazine scans, and videos about LOST shown on TV programs were not put in the spoilers section and the whole site had a warning about "may contain mild spoilers" or there was a popup saying this the first time you visited DarkUFO or something.
So to sum up a lot of gas,
1. DarkUFO is awesome and this site is totally awesome.
2. People have no right to complain about stuff that is free and other people spend a lot of effort on selflessly.
3. It's a spoiler section. You have nobody to blame but yourself for getting spoiled here.
4. While this site is totally awesome as is, it does have some room for improvement.
5. If you're going to suggest something, have good netiquette and be polite about it.
6. And if you're going to suggest a change, be useful and try to think about how it could be changed instead of just complaining.
i love these snippets , hope they are all combined into 1 tommrow!:D im betting that cs and dan know about the purge somehow. i like the volcano idea. the thought of the temptest controlling smokey umm, iduno. i just hope there is not a blackout in new otherton ;D. also to all the peeps who "dont want to be spoiled" y are u here?go to diff site or stay out of the spoiler section, no one is forcing u to read this U clicked ur mouse to come here. i heart u dark
Well for starters Michael did not mean to kill Libby and I'm sorry but if Walt was my son I would have done exactly the same thing!!
I have a child and I wouldn't think twice about doing it if it meant getting him back, when you are in that position you wouldn't think straight anyway. You wouldn't sit down and weigh up the pros and cons of what you was about to do, you would just do it. It's called insanity!!
100% agreement mysonjackson
anyone heard the saying 'id go to the ends of the earth for you'????
wrell in Mikes case, it aint just a phrase
thanks the lost king, Glad someone agrees with me!
I feel sorry for Michael, he's really gonna get some stick from the Losties!!
yeah, jack will beat Michael up (like jack usually does with whoever pisses him off)
wonder if taller ghoist walt is real walt
Yeah, I think you're right, iam*jack's*eye. The island-wide gassing at the time of the purge was probably controlled at the Tempest and the freighters might know about the purge and how it was caried out. That would make a lot of sense. I just don't get why they brought the red bags with biohazard symbols with the gas masks if they won't be the ones doing the gassing, besides to mislead the audience. It really makes you wonder who the bad guys are.
Dark...... I appreciate everything you post here. The very name "spoilers" should say it all. No matter what country we are from. I have been viewing this site for almost 2 years. I never post, but very much appreciate every bit of knowledge you put upon us. So with that said...........THANK YOU for all your hard work.
I'd go to the ends of the earth for my kid too but I wouldn't kill someone that had nothing to do with what happened to that kid; it's not right. Libby and Ana Lucia had nothing to do with Walt being taken and it's not as though Michael didn't have resources to get Walt back. My god, he had a man that was freaking trained to kill!!! There were other options, he chose the one that is morally unacceptable to me and I don't know how he could look Walt in the eye and explain what he did, if he ever does. If he doesn't, he proves to be what I think of him, a chickenshyte murderer.
Janin that's a good thought. Now, the question would be "How" they knew? Charlotte seems very familiar with the Dharma logo so it's makes you wonder how many off sland people are familiar with it. It would stand to reason that people with Dharma were coming and going before the purge.
Do we know how many years have passed between the DI building on the island to the present?
comans--LOL that was great
Dark--you're the man
there's plenty of other places to go on the site if you don't want to be spoiled...so those who don't want to be spoiled--should probablyyyyy not click on that button that says, "Spoilers" :)
Maybe if there was a "Teasers" section--but thats unncessary.
In other news, Lost is on tomorrow!
awesome snippet !
Thanks Dark !
And thanks for all the work you making a terrific site.
Your site is my absolute favorite.
I just don't get why they brought the red bags with biohazard symbols with the gas masks if they won't be the ones doing the gassing, besides to mislead the audience. It really makes you wonder who the bad guys are.
...Maybe to protect themselves from dying when Ben gasses the island?
I think everyone pretty much expected this.
ahrean2007 I totally agree there's no justification for killing someone who had nothing to do with his problem that makes as bad as the others,
Never understood that story line made no sense my kid got taken so i know i'll kill some innocent person.
Its like locke killing naomi just because he suspects she was bad even then how does that equal killing her
Its like locke killing naomi just because he suspects she was bad even then how does that equal killing her
Locke killed Naomi for the same reason Charlemagne slaughtered infidels for not being Christian and for the same reason people are getting blown up in the Middle East. Because some higher authority "told them to do it."
Locke's religion is now Jacobism. He'll do whatever Jacob tells him. Doesn't mean it's rational, but people do irrational things every day in real life.
mysonjack come on putting it down to insanity and i didn't pull the trigger god did attitude is just an excuse
comans I agree still no excuse
Well all I can say is everyone who disagrees with me must not have kids!!
Well, I don't see it as a weakness in the writing.
Jack and Locke have both acted completely irrational, particularly in the premiere, and I think it works well thematically. Ever notice that Hurley was the only one in that episode conducting himself in a sane manner? He was in a mental institution, but he was the only character of the three questioning his own sanity, ergo, he's sane.
JACK: I think I'm going crazy.
LOCKE: No. You're not going crazy. Crazy people don't know they're going crazy. They think they're getting saner. - White Rabbit (1.05)
@mysonjack - I have my babies and I would die for any one of them without thinking twice about it, and would do it with a big grin on my face knowing they'd get to live on and I'd had a happy life. But I wouldn't slaughter an innocent if they were taken in order to get them back. I would hunt down the person that wronged them, to the ends of the earth, and make them wish they were never born. In the words of Ving Rhames in Pulp Fiction, "I'd get medieval (sp?) on their ass…..pair of pliers and a blowtorch…"……but this would be the people that wronged my babies; not some innocent that the dick who took my kids told me to kill so I could get my kids back.
If people click on the 'Spoiler' tab of this website they should expect what they will be reading is a spoiler. I could see the commotion if it were on the 'Main' page. I love this site! Keep on spoiling me, puhlease!!!
Have you noticed how this argument of Michael parallels LOST. I mean who is good and who is bad. Who is right and who is wrong? It all depends on which side of the fence you are on. Me personally, I would pull the trigger no questions asked. I think we are morally obligated to protect our children. Am I right? That is a matter of opinion. Besides, Michael did us a favor. That was one of the worst acting jobs ever...I mean she was better in Resident Evil...and that is sad. LOL. This being said...I would have paused before I pulled the trigger....I would have made sure it was loaded!.....Dark, You Rule!
Thanks!
interesting...i keep wondering how bad Ben really is (or if maybe he *is* a good guy, like he told Micheal...), but if Charlotte and Daniel are good guys, and are after Ben, that would make him a bad guy after all...right?
i kinda wish juliet would have shot charlotte and then dan would say, "YAY!"
i just don't like that girl.
Everyone is arguing about how the others told Michael to kill Ana-Lucia (and to some extent, Libby) but here’s the rub: He was never told to kill anyone. He was only told to release Ben. It is not the others’ fault that Michael was irrational. And chances are, that if Michael did go to the losties, and tell them the situation, they would have let Ben go to save Walt.
I believe it makes a big difference to kill those who are threatening your child in affect (imo a kind of self defence), or to plan an action (free walt) with the intention to even murder innocent people. Even if I can partly understand it, it´s murder and one should be aware of the consequences. Michael became a "bad" person in that moment, but I think he knew that and sacrified his soul for Walt. It doesn´t matter if Libby was an accident. He would have shot anyone who´d try to stop him. Maybe he´s working for Ben now because he thinks that he can save his friends, maybe because he´s constrained again - IMO he can´t be trustworthy ever again.
He did something really bad, but in his opinion for a good reason.
Same goes for Ben. We know he´s willing to kill a lot of people - all a sacrifice the island is demanding for?
As far as we know there´s something about the island and its power which concerns the intire world. And presumably we won´t find out who wants to use it for the "good" or "bad" until the very last few episodes in season six in a dramatic final showdown. So it might be that Charlotte and Dan are "good", but that their actions wouldn´t lead to the greater "good" - they just don´t know it better.
If Ben would only be bad and evil, wouldn´t there´ve been easier ways for him to achieve his goals? I just wish that his way doesn´t have to be paved with deads, especially not with the Losties I want to see until the very end.
does she shoot daniel and then mudwrestle with charlotte? i'd be strangely ok with that, but only if daniel lived....
probably already said, but since i was too lazy to read it all.
It could very easily be that the Freighter people are using Daniel and charlotte to clear the way for them. Ben knows this, and was going to gas the island if the freighter people got on it. Better to kill everyone than give up the island. Juliet is his only hope of stopping this, but Juliet hates Ben cause of bad choices and leadership in the past, so the freighter people get their way, get on the island, and Ben knowing that Juliet has betrayed him yet again warns Alex to get away from the impending attack. only he has one more trick up his sleeve. Michael on the freighter. Before the attack can come, or even during, Michael blows up the freighter. Him, Sayid, and Desmond get away with Lapidus' help, and maybe Regina too. The whole next part of the season is not in fact a battle with the Freighties, it is Ben making deals with the Losties that get 8 of them off the island, him as well, the door closed behind them, and the other Losties with no way of ever coming back home. They have to keep their mouths shut in the future, cause somehow Ben has gotten the freighter leaders to think he gassed everyone. But Jack and the others know the truth, and they finally decide they can't leave their friends behind, they have to go back and find a way to help them.
Yes justin, a lot of interesting points! Ben is the only one who knows how to open the door to the island from the outside. Thats why the economist (Widmore?) is after him and maybe after the oceanic 6. That might be the reason why Sayid is working for Ben, too. To protect his friends off and on island. If the island would be found again, probably everbody would be killed.
And couldn´t it be Ben in the coffin? It would explain why Jack is so devastated - he believes that the only person who could lead him back to the island is dead. Still - who´s the teenage son? And who´s still on the island? Will all the "others" remain there? As there´s a number of original 815 passengers among them (Cindy, the kids, and more), they would have been counted as survivors. I just wonder what limits the number to just eight.
Phew, I'm so glad that nothing happens to Dan.
I really like Charlotte. She's independent and confident, which I know comes across as being an uber bitch to some, but she's really nice to Dan. She's not a total ice queen.
mike, you said, "And chances are, that if Michael did go to the losties, and tell them the situation, they would have let Ben go to save Walt."
Are we watching the same show? I have seen BOTH Jack and Locke (the supposed "leaders") put others' lives at stake for their own purposes. There was NO way either of them would have agreed to release Ben, even if it meant getting Walt back. (Walt was a sacrifice the island/hatch/Locke demanded... or some BS like that)
dark i think that these should be put behind a "Are You Sure" sign...
just kidding :D
"Inigo Montoya: Let me 'splain.
[pause]
Inigo Montoya: No, there is too much. Let me sum up."
dark: thank you for the site
to all the people GRIPING about learning something about LOST after being foolish enough to go to a freakin' spoiler site: shut up. you sound like whiny crybabies
now about the show...
michael: will never be redeemed in my eyes
ben: glad to find out he's a baddie and i hope it stays that way. i'd absolutely HATE coming to a point where i'd have to give him any goodwill
charlotte: hope this is true because i could not fathom how they could tie her character into a reference to CS Lewis and make her a baddie
daniel: i adore this guy. he's like a lost (no pun intended) puppy i want to take home
juliet: there's room for redemption in my mind for her. hope it comes to pass
still trying to figure out, though, how to reconcile what we know about the future via the flashforwards with the freighter folks being 'good guys.' guess that's a mystery to be solved in the future, should they indeed turn out to be 'good guys'
Has everyone here lost the ability to read?
Read the warning at above the comments box.
I will start banning people if this continues.
I have deleted over 20 posts.
READ.
Sorry.
I think the reason why Ana-Lucia was such a horrible character is that MR played her too angry. It was as if Ana was dead inside and all that was left was this vessel full with anger. I think the character would have probably been better if it was portrayed by a different actress but maybe that's just me.
muscle_bob...maybe they weren't sure where kate's loyalties were since she had been in locke's camp?
rindylor
It seems you could be right but I wonder why they wouldn't put their trust in Kate considering she and her group have been kind and hospitable to Daniel and Charlotte. Charlotte clearly saw that Lockes group had Ben as a prisoner and Ben even tried to kill her when that group stopped him.
Seems a little fishy as of yet.
This is probably the only episode that I am happy to be semi-spoiled about. But only because I was really afraid Daniel was going to die! I figured Daniel at least was good...I'm still fishy on Charlotte.
you guys sure are keeping Dark busy today......
has anyone thought about what Ben was planning on doing? what is going on that people off the island knew about and came there to stop(supposedly)?
sarah
Perhaps this is how the purge was initiated and Abbadon's people were aware of this?
the purge that happened a long time ago? i wonder what abbadon in monitoring that gives him the heads up on bens new plans.
dark,
thanks so much for any info as i am a huge spoiler fan i like watching to but i love the help to figuring things out and i for one say u go in exsplaining to simpletons this is a spoiler site lmao.i mean are they over 21 can they read??????spoiler site!!!!!! stop bugging the dude get a life ok sorry just i ve seen this same topic go on for the last week ugg go away coem back when uyou can read a tittle.
Lots of parents would do exactly what michael did. The guy wasn't the most stable fella to begin with and his head definitely got messed with. Not so different from the choices Kate made. Her mom was a grown woman and able to think for herself. We can't forgive what kate did and not at least empathize with Michael somewhat. Ditto for sawyer and his murder of the "wrong" Sawyer - and his murder of the right one for that matter.
Oh, and my guess is the person in the coffin at the end of last season was Ben, and that Michael puts him there.
If Michael would have went to Jack AND Locke, you know one of them would have sided with Michael to let Ben go for the sake of Walt.
They were, after all, in the middle of their Jack vs Locke throwdown right around then.
Marcus, i like your points, and your guess.
i tend to think Michael was really pissed about the whole 'whose the boss' deal going on between john and jack. i think he wanted to do things on his own and not have to "ask for help".
and in his case, he sucked at doing it on his own. and screwed everything up.
Dark, it's the same on every board, people are warned if you dont want to be spoiled dont read, then they read and bitch and moan. Just ignore them, you have a clearly defined spoiler section and if they are that daft , frig'em. We spoiler readers love this board and are happy that you've been able to have it grow into a place that is referred to on every Lost board worldwide, you have accomplished quite a feat in that.