Wow. Wow. Wow.
If you're like me, you've done little else today other than think about last night's mind-splitting episode of Lost, what with all its mystery and intrigue and puzzle pieces. Not to mention the apparent time travel, freak-deeky cabin and the reveal that the island must be "moved." WTF?!
Thankfully, the big cheeses in charge, Damon Lindelof and Carlton Cuse, agreed to spend a little time this morning answering a few questions. And while I had agreed beforehand to not delve deep into anything spoilery, I tried my best to get us all some info we can chew over until the next episode airs!
Among the findings in this interview:
* The question is not whether Claire is dead but “What happened to Claire?”
* Christian Shepard is dead.
* Time travel is definitely happening on this show.
* Sounds to me like Richard Alpert is doing it. (Remind me later of a theory I have relating to time travel and the knocking up of Losties' moms!)
* They were surprised by today's "announcement" of two extra episodes in season five and six.
* They know whom Kate will end up with in the very end.
DL: Carlton? You know we don’t understand it either.
That is comforting. Well, congratulations, I think the fan response has been so positive this season. There were some people who were frustrated in season three and I feel like all those people who were cynical are back into the fandemonium of the show.
Damon Lindelof: My feeling about is that it feels great, and we're enjoying it more than we ever enjoyed it before, for having gone through the dark times. And at the same time, our attitude isn't, "I told you so we're awesome," because I know we still have 34 episodes to go, and it's a roller coaster.
And at the end of the day people put a lot of weight on the finale, because the finale is the taste left in their mouth for the next eight months. Nobody's talking about the undefeated season that the New England Patriots had—everybody's talking about the fact that the Giants won the Super Bowl, so until the finale is aired, and people respond to that, there are no laurels to be resting on.
Carlton Cuse: Me, I'm just happy, with no qualifications whatsoever.
How are you feeling about the finale about this point? Are you feeling pretty confident about it?
CC: Yes, we were up until the wee hours last night editing the finale. I think we're pretty pleased. We want to be kind of cautious in our optimism, but it feels like the film that we are getting back from Hawaii is fantastic. Jack Bender is doing a great job directing it, and I think that people will be surprisesd by the finale. Not in the literal M. Night Shyamalan way that we surprised the audience last year, but I think emotionally satisfying and also intriguing, and we'll leave people kind of very excited and interested to figure out what season five is going to be about.
DL: Yes, there's a sense of completeness this year in terms of what we set out to do in season four, to tell the story of how the Oceanic Six got off the island, and why they are lying, and what happened in the immediate aftermath of them being rescued, all the way up to Jack yelling at Kate, "We have to go back!" And we feel we've accomplished that, and beyond that there's an indication in the finale of what the future may hold. We're really glad that we got the extra hour from ABC. That made a huge difference in being able to do the two-hour finale or else it would've felt—we were sitting in the editing room last night watching one of the scenes, and we looked at each other, and said, "I can't believe we ever thought we were going to be able to do this in an hour." The scope is large.
Was this season considerably different then it would've been had we not had the strike, or do you feel that you set out what you wanted to accomplish this season?
CC: I think in a funny way it was probably better because of the strike, for two reasons. (1) We just put the pedal all the way down to the metal to get everything done with two less hours. A lot of the more languid, contemplative material went out the window. And (2) I think we were fresh after 100 days off. We came back, and we jumped into the show. We were recharged, and we've had a real sort of energy to attack these last six episodes. Normally, at the end of a season, it's like running a marathon. You're exhausted, you've used every good idea that you've had, and you have the fatigue of writing 17 episodes. We came in fresh, really energized, and I think that really helped the batch of episodes.
DL: It's crazy because you've now seen three episodes of the post-strike work, and we didn't even start writing them until Valentines Day, and now they've aired. It's a tremendous amount of energy put in by the writing staff, the production staff, the actors and the editors. Right now we literally have four editors and assistants all working around the clock just to get the finale done. And Jack Bender is still shooting today, and we're going to air this two-hour movie two weeks from last night. So we're really proud of the fact that we were able to write and produce six hours of television in a 12-week period, which is essentially the same amount of time we had to produce the pilot.
Daniel Dae Kim, Lost
And we found out that there will be one more episode in each of these seasons. Are you happy about that?
DL: I don't know where that came from. I think Carlton and I did a KROQ interview yesterday, and they asked what about the two episodes that didn't get done this year, and we reiterated as we have in many interviews we will probably do 17 next year and 17 the following year. And now everyone's presenting it to us like it's an official announcement.
CC: Post-strike we always said we would make up the ones that got dropped.
Emilie de Ravin, Lost
Obviously the big question after last night's episode, leading into that finale, is "How are they going to move the island?" which is a fantastic twist and also, "Is Claire dead?" Is that a question that you are wanting the fans to be asking at this point?
CC: I think that we want the fans to ask, "What's happened to Claire?" I don't think it's "Is she dead?" I think it's like "Where is she?" and "What's going on with her?"
DL: What's fascinating with Lost is there's a scene where Claire is in the cabin, and she is sitting next to a guy who is dead, and nobody is saying "What's up with that?" They're all saying "Is she dead?" I think the more operative question is, "What is dead?" That's a good question to ask, and one you will certainly be asking over the long hiatus.
Can you say if time travel is definitely a part of the series?
CC: Yes.
How do you keep all of the different timelines straight? I have to imagine that there's some huge board somewhere where you have all of the timelines, because there's so much overlap at this point. Is it difficult keeping all of that straight, and how closely do you guard that room where all the secrets are kept?
DL: We have a guy, Gregg Nations, who is now co-producer on the show who has been our script coordinator since the very beginning, and that's been his job maintaining the continuity of the show.
The easiest continuity to keep is what's happening on the island starting on September 22, 2004, up until where we are now, which is roughly like day 100 on the island, as of what you saw last night. That's fairly easy.
And then the flashbacks, they start getting confusing because relative to each other. It's not that hard to say Jack ratted out his father and got him fired before he went to Australia, but all of that happened after he broke up with Sarah. [What is hard to sort out is] how those scenes take place in relation to Hurley winning the lottery or Sayid leaving Iraq...so that's all Gregg's job.
Once we moved into the future this year it's become incredibly daunting for him, because all the Oceanic Six are intertwined, and you will begin to see in the finale as we begin to fill in these missing pieces in the future, sort of trying to understand what were the conditions under which the Oceanic Six left the island, and why are they lying, that that gets incredibly tricky. And you will finally get a sense of when the scene that you saw in last year's finale takes place in relation to all of these other scenes where Jack and Kate are on the tarmac.
So, there is no physical document, it's all sort of in Gregg's head. If he were to leave the show or have a massive coronary, it would take Tom Hanks from The DaVinci Code to sort of piece it together, which is how we like it.
CC: But he's just to be clear, he's the keeper of everything that's been done on the show, not the stuff that will be done. He doesn't have to sort of be living in a locked vault because he doesn't have the stuff that is yet to be seen on the show. It's enormously beneficial to have Gregg as a resource because we ourselves sometimes have a hard time figuring out where events happened relative to other events.
Well, you guys know that the fans are very passionate about how the romantic storylines go on the show. In the last episode, obviously we had some really great Jack and Kate stuff. Does it make it tricky to write the romances knowing that the fans do feel so strongly about it? And how much do you take into account how they are going to react to a Kate and Jack scene or a Kate and Sawyer scene?
Ross Perot
DL: At the end of the day, we haven't done any official polling but it feels like there's a 50-50 Skater-Jater spilt and sort of Juliet is the Ross Perot. The people who are passionate about Jacket are very passionate, but ultimately the triangle is a product of Kate and will she end up with Jack or Sawyer. It's not like Carlton and I are both rooting for Jack on any given day. We feel like Kate's character is bound to explore relationships with both those guys and both those guys are going to be responsive to her various advances. We know who she ends up with ultimately, but we think that the trail there is obviously going to include a little bit of ping-ponging.
CC: We're both Skaters and Jaters at the same time.
Nestor Carbonell
This is a question I don't know if you can or will want to answer...Does Richard Alpert age?
CC: Does Richard Alpert age? I think it's a good observation to say that Richard Albert has been observed in various time periods looking the same, but I think that's all we want to say at this point in time. However, you will learn a lot more about Richard Alpert as the show goes on. He is going to become more prominent in the future of the show.
And it seems like the series has branched off in so many different directions. The scope of what has happened on Lost is just so vast and so intricate. As the series continues for the next few seasons, will things start to come together in some sort of cohesive way or are you still branching out further?
CC: We were actually laughing about this the other day. How, back at the beginning, finding water was sort of the crisis, not whether the island can be moved. The stakes have definitely risen.
We have two seasons left, so we think there will be more incredibly compelling complications for the characters before we get to the end, but again really the great virtue of the end date is that we will start wrapping things up, and we will be trying to tie up all the story threads.
We keep a list of unanswered questions, and we will be trying to answer most of those. Obviously, mystery is a part of life, and mystery is a part of the show. I guess we'll all have to see at the end of the day how satisfied people are, but it is our intention to try to wrap things up. I don't know if the show will become simpler, but hopefully in the wrapping up of these questions, it will be satisfying.
DL: There are some questions that are very engaging and interesting, and then there are other questions that we have no interest whatsoever in answering. We call it the midi-chlorian debate, because at a certain point explaining something mystical demystifies it. To try and have a character come and say "Here is what the numbers mean," actually makes every usage of the numbers up to that point less interesting.
You can actually watch Star Wars now and when Obi-Wan talks about the Force to Luke the first time we hear him, it loses its luster because subsequently the Force has been explained as, sort of, little biological agents that are in your blood stream. So you go, "Oh, I liked Obi-Wan's version a lot better," which in the case of our show is "The numbers are bad luck, they keep popping up in Hurley's life, they appear on the island."
CC: I heard that Obi-Wan had actually experienced the numbers. That's actually a big secret that's now been revealed.
DL: But if you're watching the show for a detailed explanation of what the numbers mean—and I'm not saying you won't see more of them—then you will be disappointed by the end of season six.
Sonya Walger
Do you see Penny and Desmond as a central plot for the show? And if Penny were to die would Desmond die because she's his Constant? Is that a fair assumption?
DL: Desmond and Penny are an incredibly important part of the show, and one of our favorite romances and relationship to write on the show. Obviously, Sonya Walger is an incredibly busy actor, and as a result of that, it limits our ability to go to the Penny and Desmond well, but every time we do it's very special as something that we do not get to explore every other week. All we can say is that there's a lot more to tell about that story, but hopefully you will have a better sense of that over the summer.
Lost
And how much do you know about what you'll be doing next season, and do you know who the cast will be for season five? Have you figured that out?
CC: We are just starting our mini-camping process for season five. That's sort of where we take the big ideas for season five and try to break 'em down into a season-long story arc. So it's a little too premature for us to say specifically what season five is going to be like, in great detail—and once we figure that out we probably won't say anything anyway.
DL: We just finished our first week of mini-camp. We know what the story for the two remaining seasons is, but the big question on the table now is what goes on season five and what do we hold for season six. We don't want the audience to think that season five is just a big tap dance. It's not The Two Towers in The Lord of the Rings saga where it's just a big battle for three hours until you get to the volcano.
CC: We hope it's going to be more like the Empire Strikes Back, in Star Wars, in which the penultimate chapter in the first saga was the best.
DL: We can say as a result of the reduced episodic order though, that we are not shifting out of answering question mode. That doesn't mean you won't get some new interesting questions along the way in season five that will pay off in season six. But there are a lot of engaging mysteries that we will be addressing right out of the gate.
Source: E!Online
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Wow. Wow. Wow.
If you're like me, you've done little else today other than think about last night's mind-splitting episode of Lost, what with all its mystery and intrigue and puzzle pieces. Not to mention the apparent time travel, freak-deeky cabin and the reveal that the island must be "moved." WTF?!
Thankfully, the big cheeses in charge, Damon Lindelof and Carlton Cuse, agreed to spend a little time this morning answering a few questions. And while I had agreed beforehand to not delve deep into anything spoilery, I tried my best to get us all some info we can chew over until the next episode airs!
Among the findings in this interview:
* The question is not whether Claire is dead but “What happened to Claire?”
* Christian Shepard is dead.
* Time travel is definitely happening on this show.
* Sounds to me like Richard Alpert is doing it. (Remind me later of a theory I have relating to time travel and the knocking up of Losties' moms!)
* They were surprised by today's "announcement" of two extra episodes in season five and six.
* They know whom Kate will end up with in the very end.
Source: E!Online
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87 Comments:
thats a tough question if claires dead or not miles did look at her funny and ask to hold the baby. I think Aaron is the new dalai lama btw. Claire is not dead but its hard to believe she got out of that house explosion with just a couple cuts.....richard's character is so cool i hope we see a lot more of him. I want to see more mythology then see a soap opera see who cares who kate ends up with!
i gotta go move the island c ya later
I don't know if she's dead or not, but it's pretty obvious that she is in another plane right now... I mean, the Claire in the cabin wasn't the Claire we know. And we do know for sure Cristian is dead. So, what a dead guys with a live girl do? You know what I mean?
Kate's character is bound to explore relationships with both those guys. There is obviously going to include a little bit of ping-ponging
Kate in a nutshell.
You will learn a lot more about Richard Alpert as the show goes on. He is going to become more prominent in the future of the show.
Music!
It is our intention to try to wrap things up.
I sincerely hope so.
Desmond and Penny are an incredibly important part of the show, and one of our favorite romances and relationship to write on the show.
I share your good taste ;)
There are a lot of engaging mysteries that we will be addressing right out of the gate.
Amen to that.
Ask "where she is?". Sheesh..another unanswered mystery added.
My list is getting bigger not smaller.
There IS a reason I don't watch daytime soap operas. Now I feel I've been watching one for 4 years. *sigh*
But I'll be watching it for 2 more years, darn it.
OMG!
My biggest fear has come true. They are not going to explain the numbers.I mean they arent going to explain one of the biggest,most encaptivating and bizzare mystery of Lost and it really makes me wonde if all those people claiming the creators make stuff up as they go and create various McGuffins just to make the show look more clever were right...Seriously Lost is all about questions and answeres so this is just unfogivable.
The analogy with Star Wars is beyond ridiculous.Nobody cared what the force was or why only some people have it!It wasnt important, the concept of somebody being special and the force being a
skill/power a magic of sorts understandable by 3 year children. Star Wars is a fairy tale for gods sake andit was only Lucas fault he overexplained.
On the other hand,Lost presents itself a ultimate mystery show. People watch it because they became entagled with the questions and want answers.Sure the lovable characters help, but for most the answers remain the most important.Look at the amount of people who got disgusted by their lack and left the show...
The fact that they are not gonna let ppl know what the numbers are just leaves me with a question of how many mysteries will be left untangled?How many have real answers?Is this just a simple mind f*ck?
1 thing for sure,I dont need anymore quetsions there already are...
I do like the fact that they keep a list of the outstanding questions though.
I certainly would like to take a peek to see which mysteries they feel are worth answering, and approximately when to expect them...
I have to say that I am really, really looking forward to season 5 already and 4 isn't even over yet!
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mishak-
They've been saying since season 2 that they wouldn't answer on the show what the numbers mean. This is not some new revelation. However, the writers of The Lost Experience explained what they mean, so you can take that as canon if you want. This is pretty much as satisfying of an explanation as we'll get, and I'm fine with it. Check it out.
http://lostpedia.com/wiki/Valenzetti_Equation
Mishak, I feel the same. I definitely want to see their list of the things to be answered. I believe the list is not long as 1% of the fans' list. That's why I'm not enchanted with the show I much as I was in the first seasons. The show is so open ended that they don't even have to answer. They have fate, luck, God, coincidence etc. to explain things that had never answers.
ryan: Ok. I didnt know they said that in season 2 already. I know about the whole end of the humanity thing.However
in this case,they have to explain it in a way that ties it in with LOST events! In any other case its once again just a blunt McGuffin and serves as a mind f*ck only...
"But if you're watching the show for a detailed explanation of what the numbers mean—and I'm not saying you won't see more of them—then you will be disappointed by the end of season six."
man...now im not greedy, and i dont need EVERY mystery solved or explained...but come on. you spend countless episodes either focused on or at least featuring this creepy string of numbers and you wont explain them? i understand what they mean like, i dont need jacob to sit down with hurley and go "okay hugo...heres what the numbers mean..." but jeez, talk about cheating the audience. if it wasnt something so strange i can see not explaining it because we can come to our own conclusions, but just to use them all creepily and just...nothing...is GAY.
ieat greenleaves:
EXACTLY: You can infer your own conclusions about some mysteries, but this!!! Once again the idea that Lost is in a significant way a scripwriters exercise of playing with ones head...These things cannot be deduced by people and the writers must stand up to what the seeded!
Ok, the numbers in 20 words:
6 variables of the valenzetti equation that represent factors enabling the calculation of a date for the extinction of mankind.
But none of that is really important... they are a recurring theme representing fate and mystery - a clever dramatic device.
Read up on The Lost Experience if you need further clarification.
mishak- perhaps the fact that scientists are trying to change the Valenzetti Equation (and as a result, the future) ties into the idea of characters on the show trying to change the future (Alpert, Widmore, Abaddon). Alpert and Abaddon were both trying to get Locke in their corner, presumably because it is known that he will be a strong force on the island, but that force can be used for good or bad.
ieatgreenfleas- read my last comment a few posts up.
crikey: I see what youre saying, I really do. On the other hand the majority of the LOst audience would not have dwelled into Lost Exp. and therefore for them the Numbers (if never explained - at least in some ways)will be a cheat, a trick playing with theyre heads...
Ryan: great idea man! I mean I understand all about keeping the sense of mystery, faith etc. But say you are right about this and thats what Abba and Alpy are doing, wouldnt that have to be adressed in the show somehow?
The Island is a freaky twilight zone where characters wait for the writers' orders to do what they are supposed to do, until that time they will continue to do things they're not supposed to do :P
Ryan: It just came to me: it could be the numbers represent certain people (not the O6! that would be too cheesy easy) and the island by changing theyre faith is saving humanity?
The DI certainly thought that the island was the key to changing one of the variables - as far as we know they failed, maybe Lost will conclude with our Losties succeeding.... who knows?
If you know just this tiny bit of information coupled with the bit I posted above, some of the superficial questions surrounding them are answered:
Why are the number seemingly everywhere? Because they are the fundamental factors that govern life on earth! a la the end of Hitchikers Guide to the Galaxy - they are variables in the equation that proves predeterminism and fate.
Why were the numbers being broadcast in a continuous loop till Danielle changed the recording? To let someone in the outside world monitor whether the DI were succeeding or not.
It's possible, but I think the writers' train of thought is that the show would get too much like the last few seasons of Alias if they made the numbers relevant to the story. I don't want these very human characters to be super heroes that save the earth from the Apocalypse or try to change the Valenzetti Equation. Explaining and showing that Rumbaldi thing or whatever on Alias totally killed the show. I suppose it's just that I'm satisfied with the numbers simply being a sign of "bad luck" on the show, and knowing that they're bad luck because of where they originated from.
I like Crikey's theory though.
mishak: I understand that viewpoint and sympathise, but this is the 21st century and people have a wealth of information about pretty much everything at their fingertips - if they want to know, it's all be laid out of them in TLE
ryan: I quite agree, it's really not going to impact the central storyline of Lost (I think! Otherwise D&C would have offered more of an onscreen explanation) and acts as a dramatic device, but the info is there for the curious.
ryan:hmm true about alias!I guess well just have to see. Ultimately the point I was making is that the writers better be responsible to the fans and not just play with theyre heads.Btw: the numbers one of the many mysteries the writers probably wont pursue(according to what the Cuse and Lindeloff say)...If they dont do it right, it could get out of hand and you will have people watching the season 6 finale not thinking how great the show was,how great the experience was, but rather asking wtf is the smokemoster:)
I'm 99.99% sure we'll get an explanation for smokie...
...I think it might be a tad supernatural to satisfy all though, but I'm just surmising. :)
Crikey:yeah I know smokie will get his origins revealed.I was just trying to make a over the top projection of how it could go down if they wont do it right:)
Iam a sreenwriter myself so I know very well how hard it will be for them to omit some stuff,but make it such a way that ppl wont care and remain loyal fans:)
Can anyone of you guys remeber some really borderline mysteries in the show that are almost forgotten and should be adressed at one point?
My would be:
1. Why Arranon had to babtized is the one.Doesnt fit in with all the other supernautal stuff going on...
Well, it looks like Cabin Fever came pretty close to setting us up for one of the big show mysteries:
Charlie (Pilot): "Guys, where are we?"
DL&CC: "Well, Charlie, that depends. What day of the week is it?"
I think because Charlie was a Catholic and put no stock in Locke's island faith, it wasn't the island that spoke to him but God maybe? I dunno. In this season, Aaron was in danger of getting killed by Keamy. Who knows what it'll be in the future. He definitely seems to be important to the storyline somehow.
ryan:you have one like tha?
myothe onewould be:
2.When theygot a food drop, it har to believe it was Dharma(as the boxing suggests)after what happened in the purge...a ressuply drom from the past maybe?
There was a whole episode about the numbers and they're not going to explain them. I shouldn't have read this.
If the quadrangle was always really only a triangle where only Kate's feelings mattered then why drag Juliet into it? They didn't have to make Jacket romantic. Why introduce Juliet in the media as Jack's new love interest? There didn't have to be any Jacket shippers Darlton. You could have left her out of it. Juliet is actually a kickass character all on her own. Reading things like this is when I hate them.
At least it sounds like Desmond and Penny have something good coming up. Hopefully the big kiss.
I was hoping Kate's gonna die. After reading that it seems sure she is ending up with Sawyer or Jack. I think one of them dies and whoever is alive: Kates boyfriend.
Lol i can just see it.
INT. Room, mysterious no?
Two men, sitting in this room. Watching a tv monitor on the right side of the room. In front of them is a large computer screen that reads: 4 8 15 16 23 42.
Men turn the volume up on the tv when a reporter says.
REPORTER: We recently have a report that survivors of Oceanic Flight 815 have been rescued. Originally thought to hold no survivors, Flight 815 was found in the Sunda Trench. We are currently obtaining details on how these six people - four males and two females - survived. Live on the scene is Ken Mikson. Ken?
KEN MIKSON: Yeah.
REPORTER: Tell us, just what is the scene down there?
KEN: Well Margret, the crowd is waiting as the survivors arrive. There is an eerie tension in the air as we wait for the Rescue Plane to arrive. Oh here they come.
The screen shows an incoming rescue plane.The Rescue Plane opens and the O6 Walk out met to a large crowd...
The men look at each other.
KEN: They're calling them the Oceanic Six!
A beeping goes off and the men, confused, look towards the large screen as the numbers change to: 4 8 15 16 23 41.
LOST.
I have no clue why i just did that... i guess what i'm saying is that the Numbers arent THAT crucial to the overall story. It seems to be more of a backstory type element to explain why Dharma was even on the island. Maybe it will get explained a bit in the fifth season since it is apparently about the DI.
If Claire isn't shown again until next season, I will be PISSED. She's already been kidnapped and gone missing for about five episodes in season one... enough with the mysterious disappearances for the character, please.
How ridiculous and stupid could these two idiots be? Greg Nations as co-producer and responsible for the continuity of the show!! Please!! I could do a better job that this moron does.
Also, it is perfectly clear that DL/CC have absolutely no respect for women at all. They've turned Kate into a sexual ping pong ball between two men, one which might as well drink himself to death and the other one who has no business lowering himself to put up with her.
Why do we we watch this dribble? I for one, will never ever ever watch anything those two poor excuses for television executives ever put on screen again!!
Damon & Carlton - if you read this!
I can understand you not wanting to make a big deal of answering the numbers thing... but PLEASE PLEASE don't ignore making at least a cursory explanation. For all my friends who are not so much lost freaks as I am, a failure to do so is exactly their biggest fear in this show.
They don't need to be explained... but it needs to be explained what they are doing on the island, in the show.
I put my complete faith in you, but please, hear my plea! I know you don't want to lose dramatic tension for a whole lot of unnecessary explanations, but this wouldn't take long to answer... and in my view answering those overarching questions from season 1 is crucial to people looking back on this show and saying 'yeah, they constructed this well'
How ridiculous and stupid could these two idiots be? Greg Nations as co-producer and responsible for the continuity of the show!! Please!! I could do a better job that this moron does.
Also, it is perfectly clear that DL/CC have absolutely no respect for women at all. They've turned Kate into a sexual ping pong ball between two men, one which might as well drink himself to death and the other one who has no business lowering himself to put up with her.
Why do we we watch this dribble? I for one, will never ever ever watch anything those two poor excuses for television executives ever put on screen again!!
Gregg has always been responsible for the continuity and he does a wonderful job in my opinon.
It's amusing to read that Sawyer is considered worthy of actually being above someone so much he'd have to lower his standards. I bet all the women and families he's hurt over the years would feel differently. Kate's no prize either, but probably sits a couple links above Sawyer on the food chain. They actually really do deserve one another though.
Why did Horace tell Locke that Jacob's been waiting a long time to see him and then Jacob isn't in his own cabin when Locke arrives?
lisagwilkins: Wow. You really don't even belong here, do you? Do you like the show at all? It's got one of the best and most carefully kept continuities of any show in the history of television. Damon and Carlton are doing their best to keep juggling a hundred balls at a time and they don't owe any of us anything. They gave US the show. Kate's human. I've known lots of humans that have loved two people in their lives, and made love to more than one person in the span of two or more years. Sawyer's human, too. Get over him.
If you don't like Damon and Carlton or LOST, that's your prerogative, but why are you reading extensive interviews with them about a show you clearly despise?
On the numbers: What more could they say? A crazy hex was put on them?
The numbers are the code for the computer. That's what they are. That's where they originated. Australian guy heard them broadcast. Bet them. Got bad luck. He gave 'em to Lenny. Lenny gave 'em to Hurley.
Rousseau said it all. The numbers are what brought her to the island (she heard the broadcast from the Swan, too) so yes, they are bad luck.
Period :)
DL: They're all saying "Is she dead?" I think the more operative question is, "What is dead?" That's a good question to ask, and one you will certainly be asking over the long hiatus.
That stuck out to me more than anything. I'm just thinking of all the combinations we have here...time travel, The Orchid possibly having some sort of time travel/alternate universe capabilities, and learning more about "what is dead". That definitly sounds like we're going to be visiting more of the mystery of the dead on the island, which is probably what interests me most on Lost.
i watched the ep again and just thought of something. when alpert visited locke as a baby, and as a little kid, this was actually prior to alpert meeting ben. he wasn't looking for someone to join the others, he was looking for their next leader! locke chose against his heart? by picking the knife. alpert eventually chose ben, and by the time locke was a teenager the others were recruiting anyone special to join them under ben's leadership. it was only until after locke met alpert again as an adult, on the island, that he realized that locke was the one that should have been leader instead of ben. what do you think?
That stuck out to me more than anything. I'm just thinking of all the combinations we have here...time travel, The Orchid possibly having some sort of time travel/alternate universe capabilities, and learning more about "what is dead". That definitly sounds like we're going to be visiting more of the mystery of the dead on the island, which is probably what interests me most on Lost.
Yeah, but what does that mean "What is dead?" Dead is dead in any time, space or universe. You're either sleeping or you're dead or maybe you're caught in some weird place in-between sleeping and dead, but dead is dead. Hopefully craphole island isn't going to turn out to be some freakish "pet semetary" where dead is only temporary, but really needed to be permanent.
Time travel is involved.
Knowing this is the Claire in the cabin the current island time Claire? Or is this some future Claire? She seemed different, far more confident and knowing. The girl that woke up to find Christian holding Aaron did not seem to be the same person in the cabin.
"DL: But if you're watching the show for a detailed explanation of what the numbers mean—and I'm not saying you won't see more of them—then you will be disappointed by the end of season six."
FUCKING LAME!
My theory on why the O6 have to lie: because John and Ben succeed in moving the island in space/time.
We know that Ben did indeed hide the island from Widmore.
So when the O6 are found, they have to go along with the lie about the plane at the bottom of the ocean because the island they were on has vanished. If they claim to have been there, everyone will think them to be crazy.
So they go along with the story about the plane at the bottom of the ocean.
This would also explain why in that flash forward at the end of S3, Jack was just riding plane after plane hoping to crash again on the island. If the island had not been hidden, then after the rescue Jack would certainly know where it was.
Jack then realizes that in order to get back to the island, he has to gather every memmber of the O6 to get back.
Did anyone notice John's grandmother's reaction in the delivery room when she saw Albert watching them behind the glass door. It looked to me as if they knew each other before. She was terrified to see him and he was staring at her as if he was happy to see an old friend.
One of my favorite movies is HALLOWEEN (1978). They never explain why Michael Myers is evil... HE JUST IS... then of course they remake it and that's all they want to do is EXPLAIN it... and it takes a great movie and ruins it (for many reasons but that was number 1).
The numbers are cool, but I think they mean they won't answer for sure. They will give us enough things to argue about. But even if they had an answer, you wouldn't want you. You think you do, but you don't.
TOTAL RECALL -- Is it a dream or did it happen?
JAWS -- Why did the shark attack people?
PULP FICTION -- What is in the case?
The best shows and movies always leave the audience satisfied, but give them something to talk about when it's over...
numb frog
I agree with this - some mysteries are supposed to be mysteries. The problem with the numbers is... they are one of the things that has been given most significance by fandom.
I don't think the numbers is what needs explanation. What needs explanation is how they were relevant to DHARMA ie why they were so fixated on them. Daniel should find it easy to explain in 90 seconds.
"DL: But if you're watching the show for a detailed explanation of what the numbers mean—and I'm not saying you won't see more of them—then you will be disappointed by the end of season six."
The key word here is 'detailed'. They'd be mad not to explain how/where the numbers originated, but I don't think they're going to say "right, 4 is the number of toes on Richard's right foot, 8 is Jacob's favourite number..."
i can answer the one regarding jaws. the shark attacks the people because it is a shark
i liked your theory thinking ;)
ETA:
i still believe that claire is not dead!
I concur, thinking's thinking is very good
I think Claire is still alive & she's experiencing what Jack experienced way back in season 1 with his dad. But this time around, cos of her dad is in Jacob's cabin {why Jacob isn't there is anyone's guess?}, it looks very creepy. Also Claire looks like if she's in some kind of trance. I can see Claire thinking: Guys, where are we? lol
I agree that Claire should have at least have a few scratches on her & what av u. Saying that Charlie got chased by a burning fireball inside the Swan & he shud av been toast but he turned out to be fine.
The time travelling is defiantely happening with Richard, how does he know about Locke in the first place, was it Jacob's idea?
Sounds like Nestor Carbonell will be a season regular next season, which is awesome news!! Richard Alpert was awesome in Locke's last episode. I can't wait to see more of him in future episodes.
Oh & the Numbers, okay its one of the main mystery's on the show. But I wanna find out how the Numbers are connected to Dharma in the first place & how Danielle mananged to hear these numbers on her ship just b4 it crashed onto the island?
Thanks Dark
Jesus, it's already started. I knew the ending of the show would cause howls that all the questions about the series weren't fully answered. I just didn't expect it in 2008 based on some teasing by Lindelof.
Unexplained mysteries are great fun. Isn't life and death itself an unexplained mystery? Don't we all have theories as to what it's all about?
Mystery is essential. I hope DL and CC leave a LOT of material unexplained in the end. Especially the Numbers.
numb frog: the best film analogy I can think of is Donnie Darko.
You get to the end of the film without any real explanation of why things happened they way they did, yet the end is one of the most incredibly satisfying ending in modern cinema. It all just feels right, and leaves the viewer to take out of it whatever they wish (the directors cut kind of ruined this, in my humble opinion).
But... if you WERE curious and required a DEFINITIVE answer, you could look up Roberta Sparrow's theory of time travel online and learn more. This was an intentional choice by the director (before the DC version! Meh!), and reflects the age in which we live.... some are happy taking the thematic conclusions of the film without any further explanation, some wanted it spelled out for them through alternative media.
I think this is a pretty good model for Lost too.
Numbfrog:
Ok. See what youre saying but the numbers are an intrinsic part of the plot. One of the episodes was centered around them. The examples you give dont make much sense:
1.Michael Meyers is a boogeyman.Why he does what he does is not important what so ever.Its not a mystery the authors ask themselves and the audience!
2.Total Recall - well probably not a dream. They wouldnt make a film about adream, just to trick people!
3. Well,In Jaws the shark kills people because hes a big, mean great white with a penchant for human flesh. This concept is understandable by 4 year olds...
4. In PUlp Fiction the case contains pure heroin. Quentin said so once...
Anyway none of these films even pretended to have answers or to be that smart. The LOSt creators do. The lost phenomenon is such a wide web of mysteries that are so interresting and captivating.ONe as a fan hopes they have a system in it. A theory of everything of sorts. Therefore I really find it hard to accept that half of this are McGuffins and Mind F*ucks...
guys - the Claire in the cabin is may indeed be a different version Claire ... Walt has spoken to Locke while at the same time he has been hanging out at his grandmother's house in New York.
I don't care with whom Kate ends up. For me show is about the MYSTERY of the island.
I loved season three, and all people I know loved season three more than two and four /episodes we had already seen). They are always talking but say nothing.
Desmond and Penny are interesting but not as a main couple to me. The things CC and DL said about them make me guess the kiss is a D & P's kiss, OMG if this is the spectacular kiss its going to be soooo boring to me. I hoped that the kiss is going to be Sawyer & Kate but this season is getting me pissed episode after episode and I think this is not going to change.:(
The numbers, OMG all season two centered in the numbers and Isn't going to be a clear explanation?
And what about Claire, she acts like a zombie, for sure she isn't the real and alive Claire.
We should be asking WHERE Claire is? o.o Wow... does that mean she's not dead? Though they also said we should ask what it means to be dead. Does this mean she's dead, but the Island is using her? I wanna know! :P
"destiny is a fickle bitch" so true...so true
Are the three hours finale centered on the O6? and Do someone notice that in the finale promo pics the O6 are dressed in different clothes in the water and ones are in the night and the others in day light...mmmmm....are they leaving and then going back?
And where is Hurley in the day shots? maybe he is the man in the coffin.
Claire is a complete riddle to me in this episode. For one thing, we have Miles, the guy who sees dead people. He's been absolutely fascinated with Claire since they left Otherville. Does she read as "dead" to him? Has he been wondering why everybody else can see her too, and why she can hold a living baby in her arms? Is that why he let her just wander off with another "dead" person (Christian) without waking Sawyer? Maybe he figured she was just moving on to wherever dead people go.
Plus we have Charlie, who was "dead but here", and he had physical presence of some kind too - enough to be able to slap Hugo.
The interest Miles has shown in her makes me lean toward thinking she's dead, in the conventional sense of the word. OTOH, maybe she's alive and being led around by dead people who look very real to her, like Christian. Either way, it really was bizarre to see her all unworried about Aaron.
How the heck time travel could possibly be a factor in Claire's state is beyond me, and I've yet to see a hypothis on that which makes it seem at all plausible.
It's only taken them 4 seasons to give Claire an interesting storyline.
...actually scrub that.... I should have said ANY storyline at all after the birth of Aaron...
At least she has one now.
:)
mishak -- I was just giving examples of movies I liked that had questions unanswered IN THE FILMS. They didn't explain things fully. BUT I must defend them.
JAWS -- Great white sharks don't swim in shallow waters and attack certain people... it was an evil shark. It wasn't a normal shark.
I'm sure when it gets remade, they will show more of the shark and make up some explaination that it has the soul of some serial killer and it out for revenge against the cop that put him away...
TOTAL RECALL -- It's up for debate whether he had those things happen to him or it was just his trip he paid for... Welcome to Philip K Dick land. The last lines were "what if this is all a dream" "Then kiss me before you wake up"
PULP FICTION -- Heroin. He's never said that and if he did it was a joke. Tarantino has said that there is no explanation for its contents—it is simply a MacGuffin, a pure plot device. Ronin did the same thing.
HALLOWEEN -- Myers NOT Meyers. I wouldn't care usually but you got me worked up. Anyway, it does matter what a little kid goes insane and pure evil. But it does not have to be explained. Watch the horrible remake to find out what happens when you explain and ruin the whole thing.
Now onward ---
Donnie Darko is a better example as related to LOST. I totally agree.
And I agree the numbers will have an answer of sorts, just not "I am your father" type of answer.
Look, my email is about the lost numbers. It was the first cool mystery for most of us... but as time went on their were more mysterious that are more exciting.
One day I assume we'll find out what the smoke monster is. And I'm pretty sure it won't make it as cool as right now thinking about what it could be.
My friend is a huge X Files fan. And I was too. But I did get frusterated that they never answered anything. But he loves it because to him "it was about the questions, not the answers -- just like life"
I liked that explanation. But I wanted some answers, but at the same time you can't explain everything or you take away from the journey.
The numbers. What do they mean? Maybe it's just cooler that they pop up all over the LOST world... a cool device.
I watched The Prisoner after hearing that it influenced LOST and it barely answers any questions... yet it was still statisfying... I still think about it all the time. Because at the end of the day LOST isn't about numbers or smoke monsters... it's going to be another story about love between fathers and sons... classic story of good and evil.
It's a character show like all great movies, books, tv shows.
I don't get people sometimes. If you read the interview they don't say they're not going to explain the numbers! They just said they won't explain them in that much deatil. I dunno about anyone else, but I think there's far more interesting stuff that needs explaining than the numbers. Dharma were scientists - the numbers are a scientic equation. Kind of makes sense why they're on the island. The bring bad luck. Happened to Hurley, and oh..didn't it happen to every Dharma member on the island too?
They only have a limited amount of time left to explain things, and as far as i'm aware, they're semi explained the numbers and they will contine to do so, just say not as in as much deatil as in Smokey.
So they say this guy Gregg Nations has been there script coordinator. And has been the one responsible for maintaining the continuity of the show. Really???
And he is still employed??
He should be fired immediately!
I think Ben and Locke are half brothers. Think about it...it makes sense.
I don't think Locke actually found Jacob's cabin. Horace just told Locke that "if you find me, you'll find him", he didn't mention Jacob by name. Ben said they would need Hurly to find Jacob, but Locke found the cabin with a map.
I don't know exactly who "Chritian" was actully speaking for, but I don't think it was Jacob, and I think Ben knows it. I think Locke is being dupped again.
ben's hamster, I think your right. Horace said "he's" been waiting for you for a long time. Not Jacob.
Also, this is the second test Locke hasn't been able to pass in regards to being The Chosen One.
I think Locke may actually be on the island courtesy of Widmore after that Abbadon scene. Locke would have never gone to Australia if not for Abbadon telling him to. When he was refused to go on the walk about, that's how he ended up on Flight 815. Maybe Smokey killed Seth Norris, the pilot, because he was working for Widmore. There's also the fact that Desmond, whose connected to Widmore through Penny caused the plane to crash.
Because Locke survived the fall out the window that should have killed him, Widmore knew he's also survive the plane crash, and through Locke he'd finally find his way back to the island.
The fact that Abbadon approached Locke a long time before the crash, shows Widmore knows about Locke and that he's special.
An excerpt from the conversation between Locke and Horace:
Horace: You gotta find me John. You gotta find me. And when you do, you'll find him.
Locke: Who?
Horace: Jacob. He's been waiting for you a real long time, man.
He did mention Jacob by name. In the same sentence as "He's been waiting for you" no less. I think the implication is clear.
John subsequently finds Horace and the map on his body leads him directly to the cabin. If Locke is indeed being 'duped', then it's a conspiracy 12 years in the making for that's when Horace went into that pit.
As for Abbadon/Widmore, I don't buy it. Apart from Ben, Locke has been the person most hostile toward the freighter people. Widmore's people. It wouldn't make any sense for Charles to want John on that island. Particularly if he succeeds in 'moving' it, an action that would place it even further beyond his grasp. The fact that Abbadon does want Locke on the island should be clue enough that he and Widmore are reading from different scripts.
I stand corrected, however, Ben insisted that they needed Hurly to find Jacob's cabin,unless he had another reason for saying that? So, the dragged Hurly along for nothing? "Christian" did not look as we've seen him before. Something about it just didn't add up for me.
butters
'Dharma were scientists - the numbers are a scientific equation'
Exactly. How hard can it be to say that? So far its only been in TLE... and my friends don't follow that. All I'm saying is, I'd know a lot of people who would be disappointed if it wasn't answered on the show... not the deep mythological reason, just why they are relevant at all.
Wow, now i can sleep at night knowing Kate will end up with someone. How stupid is that? Her character is so useless now, when she isn't using someone shes screwin em over. I don't understand the "shippers".
Mythology, people!
Both Ben and Locke believed it was necessary to have Hurley along. Although plan A clearly wasn't throwing up any cabins until Horace intervened and presented plan B.
For me, one of the most satisfying lines in the entire episode was a simple one word that carried so much significance and no little irony. Ben's urgent "Well?!" after Locke had exited the cabin and informed him that he had indeed received instructions was a beautiful example of the shoe being on the other foot. You could almost hear him gag on his own medicine as he spit the word out. For once, Locke had the answers and Ben was the one outside the island's loop looking in.
To his credit, John was forthcoming. And just as well, or we would have missed out on one of the greatest closing lines Lost has ever produced.
I agree with Spicedogs. I don't care who Kate is with. Not even a little. I want to know about the ISLAND and the SMOKE. On the numbers bit, it could get a bit more explanation but hey, I'm not complaining. I'm pretty satisfied with what we already know about them. And nice theory SockeRock saying the bit about Widmore possibly KNOWING Desmond would cause flight 815 to crash. That would be interesting and likely even. And whats all the Gregg Nations bashing with continuity? seems pretty well kept to me. All the story lines are kept clear and orderly in terms of when they happen
I also remember the actor who played Seth Norris, the pilot, is supposed to have filmed a scene for the finale. Be a bit of confirmation if it's with Abbadon and he pays Norris to fly in the general cooridinates of the island. It seems Widmore knows the general area the island is, but he needed Jack and the sat phone to pinpoint the exact location. And maybe it wasn't Desmond who was working for Widmore, but Kelvin.
I do think Locke will eventually throw in his chips with Widmore. I was fully prepared to accept Locke was the Chosen One with Cabin Fever, but once again Locke failed a test and Richard is so desperate for him to be The Chosen One they've been waiting for, he's ignoring it and still trying to believe it's Locke.
Locke is special. If Cabin Fever showed anything, he's probably the most special person on the island, but I don't think he's the reincarnation of Jacob, which I think is what Richard is looking for. Also, I've always thought that at times the island treats Locke in a kind of contemptuous and manipulative manner. If Locke doesn't do what it wants, it starts to take away the use of his legs.
Of course, the cherry on top that Jacob wasn't even there to greet Locke when he arrived. I'm sorry, if you've been waiting years for this Chosen One to arrive, you don't send a lackey in your place. You want to greet that person yourself.
Perhaps Ghost Christian is just Ghost Walt in disguise, once again giving Locke his marching orders.
I like this one: "Time travel is definitely happening on this show".
Time travel was the best addition to the show this season and I hope that the finale's twist have something to do with it.
Since DC said that we should be asking where Claire is? instead of if she is dead or alive? Then I would like to suggest then maybe she is at the temple (with the other other's) or the orchid station and what we see of her in Jacob's cabin is the same thing that was going one earlier in the season when Jacket meet Dr. Harper Stanhope in the jungle.
The whole mystery about the numbers wasn't the numbers themselves, but what they led to... i.e. the DHARMA Initiative and their experiments. They were what led into DHARMA, etc.
So the whole mystery was "what are those numbers doing?" and the answer was, "something to do with an experiment that DHARMA was running on the island."
They mean they won't divulge into the equation or whatever, which is why they regualted that to a spin-off multimedia game instead of saving it for the show.
HOWEVER, they will likely get to what the use of the numbers was doing (i.e. what it was controlling).
So it's not that they're disregarding them and leaving us dead. They'll still likely tell us what they were doing. It's like time travelling, for example; they'll tell us what it all means and leads to, but not the scientific details about how it came to be and how it works.
Hey people, now you are beginning to see how much these two lovers of Podcasts and being in the limelight have been cheating their LOST fans? I had noticed from Episode 1 of Season 3. They are yanking our chains so badly that Lost has lost all it's intrigue or appeal. I can quote them on so many things they have promised these past seasons and haven't delivered on or ever will that it's looking more as a huge joke. They think we are all fools. But, writing TV Shows doesn't work like that, with podcasts and a couple of clown producers wanting to hog all the attention with podcasts and misleading us continually. If you believe this is "genius" or something that "blows your mind away" like nothing else, than, I'm sorry but you are all fools and they are right of believing that and doing whatever they want. Also, you probably haven't read many novels or watched many Movies or TV shows. If you had than you would understand what I'm talking about.
Seriously people. Get over it. I watch the show because it keeps me guessing. There are a million and one sitcoms, crime series, family dramas on TV that I for one, am thankful that we have a show with all of the above. LOST has a ton of questions and mysteries that have yet to be solved and uncovered...but can you seriously sit hear and whine about numbers when you have openly accepted a show that is set on an invisible island inhabited by ageless people that control smoke monsters??? Haha. The show OWES you cry-babies nothing. I'll be happy if I get 50% of the answers. In which case, I believe we have already received. Just try to keep in mind that this a TELEVISION SHOW...in no way will this affect your life aside from that. Get over it already and start watching Gossip Girls if you need the drama.
Well, "fabulous kisses" mean a lot of things. I don't think you can call a love kiss as "fabulous". I don't buy it. Everybody kisses differently and loves differently, with totally different feelings. What is a "fabulous kiss"? Let's see, on LOST, you can't call Sawyer and Kate kissing and call it fabulous, nor Jack and Kate. That would be a “love kiss", or “feeling sorry” like in the cages. No. a fabulous kiss is probably something like "THE KISS OF DEATH"....maybe Penelope kisses Desmond while she kills him at the same time. It's obvious that it's Desmond in the coffin...
"see you in another life, brother"...The kiss than he dies...That would make it a "fabulous kiss"...maybe it happened in the past and as soon as he returns to the hatch…says, "I love you Pen" before he turns the key and gets killed....or sacrificing oneself…for someone would and can be called a “fabulous kiss”
By the way how does Desmond get off the island if he even does. He's not in the plane?