LOST Spoilers: Kristin Hints Spectacular Kiss is Between Sawyer and Kate?

Kristin Hints Spectacular Kiss is Between Sawyer and Kate?
Posted by The ODI at 5/06/2008 06:43:00 AM (Comments: 232)
Labels: Kate, Locke, Sawyer, Season 4, There's No Place Like Home, Watch with Kristin

Kristin at E! Online is hinting that the "spectacular" kiss will be perhaps between Kate and Sawyer. She also mentions a couple of other tidbits that Dark already confirmed to us, that Sawyer and Locke are both alive on the island in the future.

Alexandre in Toulon, France: Kristin! God I lose my French accent when I saw Jack and Kate hooked up! what happened? Please tell me it was a nightmare and Kate's heart still belongs to Sawyer!

Hee! Sorry, I had to include this question, 'cause it cracks me up. Who knew a TV show could make you lose your accent? But I hear you, mon petit fromage! Here's the thing: That spectacular kiss is still coming. In the season finale. Only a few weeks away. So let's all sit tight, OK?

Ally in Ireland: Please tell me Sawyer doesn't die...He isn't one of the Oceanic 6?

Right, he's not. But Sawyer doesn't die. He's alive. On the Island.

Heather in Taos, N.M.: Is Locke still alive on the Island in the future? He has to be, right?

Yes. He is.

Source: Kristin

Posted By: ODI

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tj23 said...: I'm guessing Kristen doesn't really know, but is hoping or guessing it could be between Sawyer and Kate. I don't think Kristen really know much about any of these three questions, but it just her guess, but maybe I'm wrong.

Anyway, I'm hoping the spectacular kiss is a Desmond/Penny reunion during the Season Finale. That would be nice for those two characters and would be a great LOST moment.; Tuesday, May 06, 2008 8:34:00 AM
Daniel said...: Does she know anything?; Tuesday, May 06, 2008 8:48:00 AM
santarosa said...: Kristin was in Hawaii with the cast just a few weeks ago, she might have been given some spoilers to release then. Maybe tptb trust her not to let the spoilers/hints out until she gets the go ahead. It should be the Skaters turn for some ship news after last weeks epi.

It sure seems to imply a Skate kiss,but who knows.; Tuesday, May 06, 2008 8:57:00 AM
isabelle said...: yeah, its does imply a skate kiss and it is our turn. glad to know people all over the world feel the same way as i do about jate! lol, made her lose her accent...

kristin knows alot more than she lets on, and she seems to be pretty confident that skaters just need to hang in there a little bit longer!!

locke alive in the future? now we can say fro 100% certainty that he isnt in the coffin!! :); Tuesday, May 06, 2008 9:20:00 AM
Kate Ford said...: Kristin knows for sure something at this point.The finale is near.And I take it as a big hint for Kate and Sawyer.The way she answered.I'm pretty confident that it will be between Skate this spectaular kiss and I'm really happy!; Tuesday, May 06, 2008 9:44:00 AM
isabelle said...: kate - me too!!! i'm soooo happy about it!!! especailly cos damon said they are the couple who kiss are is the couple with the most chemistry, and called it spectacular (even though he is more of a jater) and carlton (skater) said it is one of his fave moments this season, like he also said for the confidence man kiss in season 1. :) :) :)!!!!!!

and kristin knows her stuff. i hate tha people say she doesnt have a clue. she obvioulsy does. she is friends with darlton and interviews the cast. she knows more than we do thats for sure!; Tuesday, May 06, 2008 9:51:00 AM
isabelle said...: ps, i could be wrong here but doesnt mon petite fromage mean my little cheese???????; Tuesday, May 06, 2008 9:52:00 AM
FoxySmile said...: I don't want to believe the spectacular kiss that tptb and other people made a big deal about is a Skate one. I still hope that this would be turn out to be a Jack and Kate kiss or a Des and Pen kiss.; Tuesday, May 06, 2008 9:52:00 AM
Kate Ford said...: @Isabelle

Kristin is a Damon's friend,of course she knows than anybody else.
And of course,How could I forget Damon and Carlton's words about the spectacular kiss:-)
Of course,I'm not 100% sure that it will be Skate because we can't be sure of anything,but I believe in Kristin's words.; Tuesday, May 06, 2008 9:54:00 AM
isabelle said...: kate - i believe kristins words too. she is usually right, so i believe she will be now too. a skate kiss is likely cos tptb like to keep it fair, with both sets of shippers getting their moments, so after SNBH, a skate kiss is HIGHLY likley.

they also said it was triangle complicating, so unfortunately that rules out des and pen, unless des has got his little triangle going on! lol :); Tuesday, May 06, 2008 10:09:00 AM
Kate Ford said...: Damon and Carlton have said that the finale will be about "the axis of the love triangle" and about's Sawyer's fate.Something between Skate will happen for sure.We'll find out the promise.:-)A goodbye kiss would be awesome.; Tuesday, May 06, 2008 10:13:00 AM
Precious said...: Jack/Kate have had their bounty of romantic scenes. Sawyer/Kate haven't and they don't seem to get reunited before the finale. You just have to think logically. The kiss is gonna be Kate/Sawyer with an outside chance of it being Des/Penny.; Tuesday, May 06, 2008 10:26:00 AM
T.L.A. said...: Locke lives, that's all I need to know :)

This also surely puts to bed those Sawyer off-island/secret scene rumours. I can't see him leaving the island and returning.; Tuesday, May 06, 2008 10:26:00 AM
Precious said...: I hope the kiss is Des/Penny though. They are the most beautiful love story on the show and their reunion is going to be amazing. I get teary-eyed just thinking about it.

Kate/Sawyer are definitely going to share romantic scenes in the finale (and I'm absolutely sure a kiss will be one of them) but I would prefer Kate leaves him alone. Or better he kicks her to the curb.; Tuesday, May 06, 2008 10:31:00 AM
isabelle said...: t.l.a - i dont think it does. all it means is that kristin doesnt know about it. tptb arent gonna tell her one of the huge big twists. i still firmly believe he gets off island, and quite possible that they kiss off isand. damon said the kiss is off island.

not that i think this will be the ultimate huge twist, cos its is a repeat of last year, but i think this a part of it. i think the twist could be to do with the orchid, and the orchid also happens to be waht gets sawyer off the island.

:) :) :); Tuesday, May 06, 2008 10:33:00 AM
Kate Ford said...: I don't know if it can likely happen a Des/Penny's reunion so soon,but if it happens,it will be a kiss for sure.But I don't know if it could be this the spectacular one.Personally,I would want it to be Skate as Kristin has given the hint to be.; Tuesday, May 06, 2008 10:39:00 AM
Sanna said...: This will make me sound like a total fan-girl but I have to say that I try so hard, so damn hard, not to get my hopes up. But if, IF, this is true, then... YES!!! Bring it on!; Tuesday, May 06, 2008 10:39:00 AM
Kate Ford said...: @sanna
It's hard because I can likely understand you.You want it so much,do you?:-)I want it too.; Tuesday, May 06, 2008 10:43:00 AM
Sanna said...: It's the word "Spectacular" that worries me... We know that Sawyer and Kate can pull off Spectacular all day long, every day of the week but if it ought to be really special and spectacular for random viewers it must be something... more.
I dont believe a Des/Pen kiss would be described like this either, hell I love them but I certainly do not "know" the characters well enough to really care.

If it's a Spectacular Sawyer- and Kate-kiss they are not only talking about the kiss but also about something HUGE that triggers it. Maybe the promise... Whatever it is this is going to be something worth waiting for!; Tuesday, May 06, 2008 10:51:00 AM
lostfan192000 said...: Haha! Of course Locke is alive, man! They can't kill Locke. Period.

About this God damn kiss, poor shippers that triangle is a roller coaster. But i don't think it's Kate and Sawyer. Kate just hooked up with Jack, and Kristin roots for that couple, and she's wrong all the time. But, blah, i don't care. I agree with everyone who thinks it should be Desmond and Penny reunion. Poor Dezzy.; Tuesday, May 06, 2008 10:52:00 AM
Sanna said...: @Kate Ford

YES, I really, really want this kristin-spoiler to be true! If we will have to wait 8 months for the show to come back at least we should have a Spectacular Kiss to hold on to, right? ;); Tuesday, May 06, 2008 10:54:00 AM
Kate Ford said...: @Sanna
Exctly:-)But we can't be so sure.I mean,I believe in Kristin's words and the way she answered,for sure Kate and Sawyer will share big romantic moments in the finale,but if they could get even this spectacular kiss,because they're the only one capable to do it,I would be even happier.; Tuesday, May 06, 2008 10:58:00 AM
Sanna said...: And of course Sawer and Locke are alive! If there is anything that would be a true shocker it would be to see that everyone except the O6 are dead.; Tuesday, May 06, 2008 11:01:00 AM
T.L.A. said...: @ Isabelle

Kristin has stated on two occasions now that Locke and Sawyer are alive on the island in the future. Now unless she's deliberately been misinformed, Sawyer would have to leave the island and then return for both scenarios to be true.; Tuesday, May 06, 2008 11:04:00 AM
Sanna said...: @Kate

I agree on every word! I also believe that Kristin knows something but if she dont and still say something like this it would be quite mean, actually. And I dont think she is. She's a smart lady and she knows how to hint and get our hopes up without reveling a huge secret;); Tuesday, May 06, 2008 11:07:00 AM
LostBunny said...: I'm glad it's a Sawyer and Kate kiss.; Tuesday, May 06, 2008 11:18:00 AM
tj23 said...: I don't think a Kate/Sawyer kiss would be that spectacular. For the record, I don't think a Kate/Jack kiss would be either in the finale. For as big a deal as they're making of this kiss, I think it would have to be between Penny/Des or maybe even Claire/Sawyer to make it spectacular. Something unexpected, and something that we haven't seen a few times before. I think it would be pretty lame if the spectacular kiss involved Kate/Sawyer.; Tuesday, May 06, 2008 11:41:00 AM
T.L.A. said...: It's probably wishful thinking, but I'm starting to believe it could be Desmond and Penny.

Things like Henry saying I am totally clueless how next season will pan out. and Sonya Walger being spotted in Hawaii make me think there could be substance to it :); Tuesday, May 06, 2008 11:45:00 AM
sawyerrules said...: I'd like this spoilers to come true but Kristin had been wrong at least two times: she guessed that Kate was pregnant (wrong) and last season she said that MF is going to be less screen time(wrong) so...I don't believe a world.

And Damon said that nothing about Jate this season and more Skate, false again. We had the worst of Jate (to me) :P

I'd want a spectacular Skate kiss and I love Sawyer and Locke living on the island with all my heart but I don't believe a Kristin's word .

In fact, I'm pretty sure is going to be Desmond and Penny, I don't have nothing againts them but to me a kiss between them is not spectacular at all, IMO Kate and Sawyer are just the couple with the necessary chemistry to have a spectacular kiss.; Tuesday, May 06, 2008 11:46:00 AM
crikey said...: Dsmond-Penny. It's got to be.

How can either Jack or Sawyer and Kate be spectacular? We've seen them variously gnawing each others faces off for 4 seasons...

Jack and Sawyer.... THAT would be quite spectacular! :); Tuesday, May 06, 2008 11:48:00 AM
T.L.A. said...: Ushered in by 'The Constant', a Desmond/Penny reunion and kiss would meet every definition of spectacular. Although if they waited another season it would be even more so.; Tuesday, May 06, 2008 11:50:00 AM
tj23 said...: @TLA - I agree. If they waited til next Season or even the final season, it would be all the more spectacular. Maybe they feel that's too long to drag out for 3-4 seasons, but I guess they essentially did it for Jack/Kate. I'm just not sure who else it could be that would make it spectacular if it's not Des/Penny.; Tuesday, May 06, 2008 12:00:00 PM
sawyerrules said...: we watched Desmond and Penny kissing and noone said ohh what a spectacular kiss, why could it be now?

Sorry but this is the only site where Desmond is overrated, the Desmond and Penny story is interesting but no spectacular or main on the show. But, yeah I'm still thinking its going to be a Penny and Desmond kiss which makes this season a total disaster to me :(; Tuesday, May 06, 2008 12:06:00 PM
crazy_sexy_cool said...: Hmm Kristin sounds, here like she is sure the kiss is Sawyer and Kate.; Tuesday, May 06, 2008 12:08:00 PM
Marcin said...: Everyone who believes Kristin is in for a huge disappointment. She's venting her own hopes rather than giving legitimate spoilers. It's not the first time. Suffice it to mention that last week she was implying that Sawyer was filming off the island. Of course it turned out to be full of crap = usual Kristin.; Tuesday, May 06, 2008 12:16:00 PM
crikey said...: sawyerrules: I'm genuinely interested... why has this season been a total disaster?

We've learned more about the island than the previous three seasons combined.

We've been given a new perspective on events with the flashforward device.

We've been introduced to several interesting new characters in a way that didn't invoke Paulo-Nikki hate.

We've seen the characters of Sawyer, Jack, Ben, Hurley become much more fleshed out and rounded than they were previously.

We have had far less 'filler' and plenty more 'killer'.

We've moved closer to resolution over the Michael storyline... the purge storyline... the island history storyline.... the timetravel storyline... the off-island storyline...

Disaster? What am I missing?; Tuesday, May 06, 2008 12:19:00 PM
methosrocks said...: It could be Des/Penny, but I'm still optimistic it will turn out to be Skate. I don't think that pairing is over for good by a long shot!

Dark - That Josh/Evi filming in L.A. rumor was 100% debunked on FBL last night by somebody with sources who's never been wrong on facts like this. :); Tuesday, May 06, 2008 12:19:00 PM
tj23 said...: @sawyerrules - I don't think too many kisses are "spectacular." Yes, we've seen Penny and Desmond kiss before, but what would make it more dramatic would be the fact that in that moment of the story, that would be their first kiss in over 3 years. I think that would give it some credence. I don't think it has anything to do with the Desmond character, it has to do with the Desmond/Penny storyline. It would be a great moment, whether Des is one of your favorite characters or not. I like Des, but he's not my favorite character, but he did win the Washington Post character poll a while back that was linked on this site. That's a pretty mainstream poll, and not just people on the net so I'd say he's a pretty popular character.

I've never really thought any kiss on the show was "spectacular," but we'll see with this one on the finale. I'm just curious, why would you feel another Kate/Sawyer kiss would be spectacular?; Tuesday, May 06, 2008 12:21:00 PM
aliasledger said...: I have no doubts why they decided to use the word "spectacular" for the kiss that is coming. Definetly skate kiss... Cannot wait.; Tuesday, May 06, 2008 12:22:00 PM
sawyerrules said...: methosrocks said...

It could be Des/Penny, but I'm still optimistic it will turn out to be Skate. I don't think that pairing is over for good by a long shot!

Dark - That Josh/Evi filming in L.A. rumor was 100% debunked on FBL last night by somebody with sources who's never been wrong on facts like this. :)

Thanks for it methosrock, cause I do belive in Dark but not in Kristin...in that case I hope this kiss its going to be Sawyer and Kate :); Tuesday, May 06, 2008 12:26:00 PM
j8rbecca said...: I really doubt it's Sawyer and Kate, simply because there would be nothing spectacular about it. We've seen it before. Been there, done that.

My hope is Des and Penny! Now THAT would be spectacular.; Tuesday, May 06, 2008 12:52:00 PM
mcsteamy said...: lol skaters, contain yourselves, kristin is wrong all the time. She knows nothing, and her hins turn out to be false all the time as well. I doubt it's a skate kiss, some might think kate is a slut and it would only increase all the hate on her. I think its a Jate or Dope kiss.; Tuesday, May 06, 2008 12:55:00 PM
crazy_sexy_cool said...: Anyway no mather who couple will get that kiss, Jate or Skate, or Desmond and Penny or even Jack and Juliet. It will be clear that couple is the OTP on the show. Damon and Carlton are pimping that kiss in almost, every interview with them. And they both were saying that scene is one of their favorite scenes from all seasons. (And i think Cartlon mentioned the "spectacular kiss" is his favorite scene on the show).; Tuesday, May 06, 2008 1:17:00 PM
Jill said...: They've said that the 'spectacular kiss' will complicate the JKS triangle...it CANNOT be Des/Pen.

I'm desperate for a James/Kate kiss after SNBH...; Tuesday, May 06, 2008 1:18:00 PM
SockeRock said...: Despite Dark saying the Sawyer/Claire kiss rumor, I still think it's going to be them. In SNBH Sawyer was already in between Jack/Kate. He was all over the place so a kiss between Sawyer/Kate would complicate nothing. Even when he isn't there, he's there. In the paintings on the wall, the toys, the curse word Jack used, even in the image of Aaron who looks weirdly like Sawyer did when he was a child.

Darlton said there would be a lot of kisses in the finale, but only one would be spectacular and complicate the triangle. So Desmond and Penny may kiss. Jin and Sun may kiss. Sawyer and Kate may kiss.

I think the way they quickly wrapped up Jack/Juliet to remove her from the triangle is because they're taking it in a new direction. Sawyer/Claire/Jack/Kate, which would be a far more interesting quad since it's on so many more levels than Jack/Juliet/Sawyer/Kate.

You've got the Sawyer/Kate/Jack thing.
You've got Kate raising Claire's baby.
You've got Claire being Jack's sister.

This quad is a writers wet dream there's so many angles to play it.; Tuesday, May 06, 2008 1:29:00 PM
maverdiani said...: maybe the kiss is between Sun and Jin before Sun leaves or Jin dies in the water. that's something you can call spectacular!! and as for "triangle complicating" thing, maybe it makes things complicated in another way, like the ppl involved in the triangle being blamed for Jin's death? or something along those lines.
as much as i like either of Skate and Jate i just don't see how it can be Spectacular unless the writers built up the story in a way to convert Jaters into Skater or vice versa .. lol.

it's just a thought guys!!; Tuesday, May 06, 2008 1:41:00 PM
methosrocks said...: lol skaters, contain yourselves, kristin is wrong all the time. She knows nothing, and her hins turn out to be false all the time as well. I doubt it's a skate kiss, some might think kate is a slut and it would only increase all the hate on her. I think its a Jate or Dope kiss. - mcsteamy

I think Kristin's record over S3 and S4 is pretty damn good overall, so I think dismissing her as knowing nothing is wishful thinking.

I think it will be Skate because Skate is the "hot" couple on this show. The print and online entertainment media were all over them getting together back in "I Do" - their pictures were everywhere and there was lots of buzz. Notice how much buzz the Jack/Kate get-together got in the main-line media? Zip.

So if it's triangle-related and "spectacular", then my money is on Skate.; Tuesday, May 06, 2008 1:48:00 PM
Memento said...: Would someone be so kind as to link to or tell me where it was ever confirmed that the Kiss would complicate the triangle?; Tuesday, May 06, 2008 1:51:00 PM
sawyerrules said...: Its interesting what you said sockerrock but If Darlton said is their favorite scene of all seasons it implies something important than a new quadrangle, unless Claire were really basic for the show .

Then my guess is Sawyer and Kate's kiss and it implies a new game change cause there is something about them we didn't know. I think that Sawyer is much than James Ford, he has a misterious story which we don't know at this time and maybe this is why Sawyer didn't have a FB or a FF since "Every man.."

Ohohoh This is killing me! I want the finale now!; Tuesday, May 06, 2008 1:58:00 PM
crazy_sexy_cool said...: @memento

search on the site, here you will find that. It was an article from Doc Jensen from "EW".; Tuesday, May 06, 2008 1:59:00 PM
Memento said...: @CSC

Thank you.

How do we know that it was not just doc jensens opinion?I've not seen Kristin/Ausiello or darkufo mention that it would complicate the triangle. I have a feeling that it's a red-herring.

I m still hoping for a Penny and Desmond re-unite scene especially after the emotion of The Constant.

Now that's how to write and act a proper couple.; Tuesday, May 06, 2008 2:04:00 PM
Selina said...: You know, what bothers me about this is not that Sawyer and Kate kiss - while I'm a Jater I don't mind Sawyer and Kate's relationship and I definitely don't think they could possibly just leave it at what happened in Eggtown - however, the fact that the producers are hyping it up this much and calling it "spectacular" really made me hope it wasn't a triangle kiss at all, but rather someone neutral like Desmond and Penny, because first of all I don't want either set of shippers getting cocky and dismissing the other relationship, and also from my own perspective, seeing SNBH after so much Skate was amazing because it kind of proved that both relationships are valid, you know? If they are hyping up this Skate kiss it's kind of like saying, "haha we tricked you there, you thought it was Jate but don't worry! It's Skate! Enjoy!" and... I find that kind of... well sad obviously because I really believe in the Jack and Kate relationship, but also like the producers think they know what "all" fans want. Which is why they introduced Nikki and Paulo and why they wrote them out again so abruptly. I'm NOT saying Skate is like that situation, but it's what happens in TV. And only half the population of shippers are Skaters so it's kind of like telling the rest of us where to stick it.

That said, yay for Skate getting a kiss! After SNBH it's only fair, and if it had been Jate that would not really have complicated the triangle any more, but sealed it more I suppose. I just hope they'll keep both ships floating after this. :); Tuesday, May 06, 2008 2:05:00 PM
mcsteamy said...: mhmmm its not wishful thinking, she is wrong all the time. Like this:

David in Dallas: Do you have anything on my favorite Other: Juliet?
She's going on a little field trip to the Orchid Station. As in the station unveiled this summer at Comic-Con, with the "highly volatile and potentially dangerous" research—and them creepy numbered bunnies. I'm also hearing something about a field of skeletons...

Benny in El Paso, Texas: Do you have any scoop on Jacket in Juliet's episode? Thanks!
I'm told she's the one who initiates the kiss. Tramp! Kidding. Love her.

or...

Smooch time! Chances are, you already know the players (tsk, tsk, tsk). But I think many of you will like the development of that romance. are also getting very close to the return of Harold Perrineau (Michael), which makes me want to kiss someone my own self. His episode (number 8) will fill in where he's been since we last saw him, and I think you'll be pleased.

Oh, rly Kristin?

Ausiello is a thousand times more trustworthy than Dos Santos.

Good luck with the media buzz. There was a lot of buzz for Heroes, and the show sucks, there is a lot of buzz for drunk people like Lindsay Lohan, etc. So i'm glad if there's no buzz about Jack and Kate, i hate all the overrating and pop media stuff. And imo, skate is no way the hot couple (maybe dirty cage couple/revenge *** couple), no spectacular kiss for them and the kiss is Jate or Dope =D!; Tuesday, May 06, 2008 2:05:00 PM
Iam*jack's*eye said...: so this could mean no locke or sawyer in the coffin unless its a doc ray type situation.; Tuesday, May 06, 2008 2:10:00 PM
mcsteamy said...: @selina: yay for a skate kiss, are you serious? Even wit all the beautiful Jate scenes from season 3, establishing Jate as the couple of the show, skate got most of the physical contact. We Jaters are definetly getting more, no way skate is kissing again ever or anytime soon. Not fair enough lol; Tuesday, May 06, 2008 2:13:00 PM
crazy_sexy_cool said...: @mcsteamy

How do you know that Skate is not kissing any, time soon?. They not shared a scene for a long, long time. And this season was pro Jate from the start. There was Jack and Kate flirting, Jack and Kate shower kissing, ass catch kissing a marrige proposal, they live together lol!. I think it will be unfair for Skaters if they don't get nothing this season. So i think it's a Skate kiss all along.; Tuesday, May 06, 2008 2:24:00 PM
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Selina said...: McSteamy (totally prefer McDreamy myself but whatevs :P) - I say yay for a Skate kiss not because I'M excited for it but because I know the Skaters will be, and I can be happy for them. I know that Skate has had a lot more physical contact, but so far this season, Jate were the ones to live a happy life and get engaged. I kind of agree with the person that said that the spectacular kiss would determine which is the OTP of the show and it worries me - but I also remember the spoiler that the kiss would COMPLICATE the triangle, not resolve it. I know that Skaters have been quick to write off SNBH but I think that really, after a proposal and acceptance, to show that Kate still ALSO loves Sawyer they have to have a kiss or something. I don't know, I'm trying to look at this from a neutral standpoint. As a Jater I'm crushed, but I realise the shippers are almost completely equally split on the issue, and we're both completely convinced that the relationship we believe in is the "true" one - and whichever it ends up being, someone's going to be disappointed, and that's not fair no matter who it ends up being.; Tuesday, May 06, 2008 2:32:00 PM
crikey said...: I think it would be unfair on those of us who are not mentally unhinged if they continue to ram this triangle rubbish down our throats for another two seasons but, hey ho, each to their own. ;); Tuesday, May 06, 2008 2:33:00 PM
venus said...: jaters are here again they are insatisfied with that lame jate scenes cause jate is not sexy its not our fault its just that Evi & mf havent chemistry at all and everybody knows and Darlton know too thats why the couple of the show are going to be Kate & Sawyer forever

go to watch last epi again :D:D:D they are not sexies but its what you have :D; Tuesday, May 06, 2008 2:38:00 PM
penelope said...: I agree with Sockerock (once more, it's not the first time! ;) ).
I still think that everything depends upon what "spectacular" means. I don't think any kiss could be defined spectacular, unless it will involve two unexpected people OR some very praticular condition.
So far, we know that:
1) It will complicate the triangle;
2) Il will be off-island;
3) It will be between a man and a woman ;) (otherwise Jack and Sawyer could've been a high chance LOL!)
As Jill said above, the fact that it will complicate the triangle rules out Desmond and Penny.
I'm a Jater and, before SNBH, I was sure that this kiss was Jack/Kate because, well... the last kiss between them was in season 2 and it was beautiful, but... you know! ;) However, in SNBH we even see them engaged so, unless something huge happens in a flash-forward placed after TTLG, I can't see how this could complicate the triangle. To be honest, Sawyer/Kate have highest chances, but still I can't see why their kiss could be spectacular: they kissed thousand times before. Also, the kiss happens off island and, so far, it seems Sawyer will stay on island and more than "complicate" the triangle a Skate kiss would just re-balance it a little, IMO.
I'd go with Sawyer/Claire (that would be definitively spectacular because pretty unexpected, although not completely out of the blue), but my only doubt is still upon the "off island" thing.
Juliet seems to be out as well (and again, apparently she will stay on island too).
Again, I'd go for two unexpected people: that would be "spectacular". But I hope is not Kate kissing someone else (please, Jack and Sawyer are enough)!
That said, I don't think at all that the triangle will be solved by the end of this season, but I really hope that it will be asap: 4 seasons of love-triangle are way too much!; Tuesday, May 06, 2008 2:39:00 PM
Selina said...: Crikey: Can I respectfully suggest that rather than being mentally unhinged, it's simply a question of enjoying different (or, all rather than some) aspects of the show? Kthanx.

Venus: A little open mindedness would be nice.

Penelope: I'm having the same dilemma, I am trying to work out which pairing would possibly fit all three variables: Spectacular, Off Island and Complicating the Triangle. Desmond/Penny wouldn't complicate the triangle, Sawyer/Claire wouldn't be off island, and neither Jate nor Skate would really be spectacular (for the average viewer) at this point. Also like you said, "complicating" the triangle sounds like it involves another player, like Claire or Juliet... So basically I've resigned myself to thinking that either Sawyer pops off the island for a little smooch and pep talk with Kate (she has yet to be convinced they need to go back, after all), or the sources are confused about which finale kiss is the spectacular one (as there'll be more than one kiss in the finale) - so maybe the spectacular kiss is Desmond/Penny, but Sawyer and Kate will still kiss on the island? I don't know, I'm just trying to make sense of it.; Tuesday, May 06, 2008 2:45:00 PM
Surly said...: Yay! Locke's alive! (not that I didn't think he would be, but hey, just gotta throw it out there); Tuesday, May 06, 2008 2:45:00 PM
isabelle said...: "- however, the fact that the producers are hyping it up this much and calling it "spectacular" really made me hope it wasn't a triangle kiss at all, but rather someone neutral like Desmond and Penny, because first of all I don't want either set of shippers getting cocky and dismissing the other relationship,"

ITA. both ships can get cocky (ie skaters after i do, jaters after SNBH) so whatever happens, shippers will get cocky again. and thats terrible, it really is.

if darlton wanna call it spectacular and have it be skate or jate, they are naive. even way, it wont be spectacular for at least half us.

des and penny would have been a safe bet, but unfortunately its not them.

after SNBH, i do thinks its skaters turn, but i also see how this is unfair on jaters. either way, its unfair on one ship. get jaters hope up in SNBH, and then dash it with a skate kiss, and leave skaters with little skate interaction for a whole season and then twist the nife with a jate kiss. its not a win/win situation here, and if damon and carlton are as in tune with the fans as they say they are, surely they want to please everyone?

having said that, i think it is skate and i am happy about it! :); Tuesday, May 06, 2008 2:45:00 PM
isabelle said...: ps, this comment thread is a shipper war waiting to happen! lol. so far so good though. :); Tuesday, May 06, 2008 2:51:00 PM
danielle said...: Sayid and Nadia !!!
This would be spectacular (even more knowing that she's dead in the future)
And:
-It's toooo soon for Desmond and Penny.
-the "it'll complicate the triangle" is not an oficial spoiler.
-The kiss is off the Island, so, it's not a Sawyer and Kate kiss.
-I don't think that Jack and Kate were together before the last episode.; Tuesday, May 06, 2008 2:54:00 PM
crikey said...: selina: Tell it to the poor buggers who regard this season of Lost as a 'total disaster'. :); Tuesday, May 06, 2008 2:55:00 PM
Selina said...: Yay Isabelle, I'm glad we see eye to eye! :) I really think these triangle wars are overrated, I'm a huge Jater and I obsess over them far more than I should, but I think if it wasn't for the shipper war I wouldn't mind Skate at all! And that bothers me because I've come to watch what happens on the show in terms of how the online fandom will react. I want to keep the triangle going because I actually find it interesting and I like both ships' interaction, but I also get defensive when people write off my ship as being completely wrong/unimportant - it's always like that when something you like is dismissed, I'm sure we've all had that experience when we tell people we like Lost!

Sigh. They're gonna have to end the triangle at some point and I really wish they hadn't dragged it out this far, because no matter what happens, it's going to be a bittersweet experience for everyone, also the people who ship the pair the producers chose to go for.

But for now I think the most diplomatic thing is just to look at this finale as evening out the scales - so yeah, everyone can enjoy their own ship without having to insult the other... that would be nice anyway.

Also something I've noticed - it seems to me like shippers get the most cocky when they either feel threatened, or they know something's about to happen with their couple, not after it's actually happened. Like before I Do the Skaters were on a roll, but after they kind of toned it down and were just happy with the development, and I feel like it's been the same with the Jaters around SNBH. There was some gloating etc. before the episode aired, but afterwards I have hardly seen anyone rub it in Skaters' faces, which is great. Hope we can all keep it up.; Tuesday, May 06, 2008 2:59:00 PM
Selina said...: "selina: Tell it to the poor buggers who regard this season of Lost as a 'total disaster'. :)"

Sooorry I thought you meant me! I shall tell that to them, this season's been amazing!

"-the "it'll complicate the triangle" is not an oficial spoiler."

Yeah that's what I've been saying! It was from EW, do we know where they get their information??; Tuesday, May 06, 2008 3:02:00 PM
isabelle said...: selina - "it seems to me like shippers get the most cocky when they either feel threatened, or they know something's about to happen with their couple, not after it's actually happened."

thats a good point and i think i know why. shippers get excited when they know something is gonna happen that will be good for them because they overestimate it and somehow hope it will end the triangle, but either way, but the end of the episode, the love triangle is still very much unresolved. kate crying as she talks to jack on the walkie talkie will give the jaters soemthing good after a whole skatey epi, and kate doing this favour for sawyer and crying when jack mentions his name will give skaters something to be happy about after a very jatey epi.

so after the epi, shippers are still left unsure of what the hell is going on and so have nothing to gloat about! thats just my take on it. :); Tuesday, May 06, 2008 3:06:00 PM
Declan's Corner said...: I actually read thru every comment here...and this last one struck me - Sayid and Nadia. If "(S)pectacular (K)iss" is not just a play on (S)awyer and (K)ate, and supposed to be taken literally, then this kiss needs to have history and passion behind it. When Spidey hangs upside down in the rain and kisses Mary Jane, its the history behind those two character that makes it truly spectacular, not just the romantic situation.

So that being said, a Sawyer/Kate goodbye kiss would work. A Desmond/Penny "hello" kiss would work....and now - we know Sayid reunintes with Nadia - maybe it is a Sayid/Nadia "hello again" kiss...I like this theory, danielle....; Tuesday, May 06, 2008 3:09:00 PM
sawyerrules said...: its going to be spectacular they said, but no just cause the couple (if its a Sawyer and Kate's is spectacular to me :)) its a spectaacular situation too I think its involves the twist.

And I'm suspicious about the kiss complicating the triangle, maybe TPTB are going to surprise us and the triangle is going to be over :); Tuesday, May 06, 2008 3:15:00 PM
Selina said...: Sawyerrules - maybe they will, but imagine how upset you'd be if they ended the triangle in Jate's favour. That's how it feels for the Jaters too, so in that sense I hope they don't end the triangle this season. It'll happen eventually, but I personally prefer the ambiguity to one set of shippers being happy and one being upset - but I know I'm in the minority with that opinion!

Oh hell, Lost rocks, and no matter what happens both ships have been validated and none of us were delusional! :); Tuesday, May 06, 2008 3:21:00 PM
jerome said...: I have a bad feeling about this......it's definitely a Kate and Sawyer kiss!How exciting......not!I'm not into the soap element of the show BUT I'm definitely not against relationships like the one that Des and Penny that have the mythology and substance behind it like Des and Penny etc.The whole Kate/James Ford/Kate thing lost some juice with no Juliet...she might end up dead!Then we have the same old same old James Ford/Kate/Jack crap!It's annoying!Whow,Danielle's story will be buried and now I can look forward to more Skate,Jate,and Sawclaire(Sawyer and Claire which could tie into the whole mythos and that would be a twist)!Boring indeed........; Tuesday, May 06, 2008 3:32:00 PM
Crystal said...: Kristen is full of shit. Always has been. You think cause Sawyer is alive on the island that Kate and Sawyer get the kiss. Keep dreaming.; Tuesday, May 06, 2008 3:32:00 PM
danielle said...: declan's corner said: "maybe it is a Sayid/Nadia "hello again" kiss...I like this theory, danielle...."

And, maybe I'm wrong, but wouldn't it be their FIRST kiss???; Tuesday, May 06, 2008 3:33:00 PM
Selina said...: Oooohhh Sayid/Nadia WOULD be a first kiss! That would certainly be spectacular! Slightly bitter sweet cause she dies... but I definitely think it'll be one of the finale kisses!

You know, I'm really wondering if we'll all be confused after the finale about WHICH kiss was the spectacular one! Cause every kiss on TV should be spectacular shouldn't it, and I'm sure we'll all interpret it differently! Haha, that'll be a fun debate...; Tuesday, May 06, 2008 3:37:00 PM
katieb20022001 said...: After last week's episode and Kate's behavior this season in general I'm confused about why fans think that it would be good for her character to be shown kissing Sawyer. She was shown to be head over heels in love and ready to marry Jack and for the first time in four seasons not the least bit indecisive about what she wants. The character of Kate has been tarnished so badly by being the triangle chick, would having her have a fight with the man she was planning to marry and fall back into old habits by running to Sawyer be good for this character? And yes, running to Sawyer when she was upset with Jack has been the game and Sawyer pretty much nailed her on it and good for him for doing so.

She was shown to have lost the desire to have sex with Sawyer and that there was no emotional connection between them when she tried to make a go of things in Eggtown. Why would the Sawyer/Kate thing be revisited at this point? Did I miss something? Is Lost really so big of a soap opera that they are going to continue to have their female lead changing her mind about who she wants to spread her legs for?

I'm not trying to pick a side because I've never really cared and I'm really not that big a fan of Kate. I would've been happy to see her stay on the island with Sawyer, but it didn't play out that way and it seems kind of gross and demeaning to have her continue to ping pong back and forth so I don't understand why fans would want that to continue.

As far as I'm concerned the triangle needs to die and the only question left should be whether or not Jack can clean up his act and get her back into his life and get her to support his decision to go back whether she goes back with him or not. Who Kate loves should be completely irrelevant from here on out, there are bigger stories to finish telling.

I'm voting Aaron and Ji Yeon for the spectacular kiss. ; ); Tuesday, May 06, 2008 3:41:00 PM
isabelle said...: crystal - "Kristen is full of shit. Always has been. You think cause Sawyer is alive on the island that Kate and Sawyer get the kiss. Keep dreaming"

why the hell do you have to be so mean? your a jater, fine. you dont like or believe the spoiler, fine. but selina is a jater and she is ALOT nicer and more tolerant about the whole situation.

have you SEEN the finale? do you KNOW kristin is wrong? no, so dont dismiss it as a possiblity.; Tuesday, May 06, 2008 3:45:00 PM
methosrocks said...: After last week's episode and Kate's behavior this season in general I'm confused about why fans think that it would be good for her character to be shown kissing Sawyer. She was shown to be head over heels in love and ready to marry Jack and for the first time in four seasons not the least bit indecisive about what she wants. - katieB

If you think she still wants Jack at the end of SNBH, then we definitely watched a different show. We know where it goes from there. They become so estranged that she won't even take his phone calls and leaves him raving drunk in the middle of nowhere. Her illusions about Jack are well and truly gone, and she's literally having nothing to do with him.

We don't know where or WHEN this supposed "spectacular kiss" takes place. For all we know they could be jumping ahead again by several years. At this point, I think anything's possible.; Tuesday, May 06, 2008 3:54:00 PM
SockeRock said...: Isabelle, if you read what Kristin said, she's not even hinting it's Sawyer and Kate. All she says is the spectacular kiss is coming, she really doesn't say anything about it being Sawyer and Kate.

As for JATE, if the show didn't even trust them to pull off a real love scene, they're hardly going to trust them with a spectacular kiss.

I know a lot of Skate fans are upset about SNBH, but if you think about it, that was more Skate than Jate. Sure Jate got to do the bumping uglies, but who overshadowed every moment? Sawyer.

They had Jack utter Sawyer's favorite cuss word and step on a toy that is connected with Hans Solo in Star Wars and many feel Sawyer is Hans Solo. Then for the second scene they had a painting of a dark man on a beach when Kate jumped up and straddled Jack which is identical to the scene where a shadowed Sawyer is standing on a ridge where everyone thought he was going to execute someone. Then finally the invisble man's name was mentioned which lead to the Jate break-up.

Even though on the surface it looked like they were doing Jate, they were really doing Skate.

I also think Kate may think Sawyer is dead. When Jack mentioned Sawyer chose to stay on the island, she acted the same way she did when he told her they had to go back. And if that's the case, that means Jack only got with Kate because she thinks Sawyer is dead, yet another slam to the Jaters, which is what SNBH actually turned out being.

No scene showing Jack declaring he can't stay away from Kate any longer because of his great love for her. No first time of them making love. No scene of them cuddling in bed. And the shadow of Sawyer overshadowing every scene they had.

That's not the act of writers who think Jate is the OTP.; Tuesday, May 06, 2008 4:06:00 PM
isabelle said...: katie - i respectfully disagree with just about every word.

methosrocks - great, valid (and dare i say it, undeniable) points as usual. :); Tuesday, May 06, 2008 4:06:00 PM
katieb20022001 said...: If you think she still wants Jack at the end of SNBH, then we definitely watched a different show. We know where it goes from there. They become so estranged that she won't even take his phone calls and leaves him raving drunk in the middle of nowhere. Her illusions about Jack are well and truly gone, and she's literally having nothing to do with him.

I think the scene at the end of TTLG makes much more sense now and that Kate does still want Jack, just not the raving lunatic that walked out on her, otherwise she wouldn't have bothered to show up at all. He's no good to her the way he is right now, but my goodness you don't just turn your feelings off and turn your back on someone you love.

What illusions about Jack? The man is having a personal crisis and granted he has no business dragging her down with him, but what you just flip a switch and say, "that's it, he's not sick, he's just showing his true colors". No, I don't think so. Jack is a good man in a bad place right now and he may lose Kate over it, but let's not imply that what we're seeing is who he was all along because that tells me that maybe we don't watch the same show.; Tuesday, May 06, 2008 4:09:00 PM
isabelle said...: sockerock - i couldnt agree more about SNBH and how sawyers shadows was cast all over those ffs, and how you dont write a OTP the way jate have been written, but as for kristin...

we all KNOW she is a skater, and she say "lets all sit tight" and wait for the finale. she is definatley suggesting something here. especially cos it sounds like the kiss is something she will also enjoy. the questins asks about skate and kristin is answering in the only way she can without giving too much away. i am 99% sure it will be a skate kiss.

but i agree with what selina said - there might be many kisses and we will probably have to interpret which one is 'spectacular' ourselves. :) :) :); Tuesday, May 06, 2008 4:13:00 PM
prettybutt said...: i believe the opposite of whatever kristin spews, and that makes me right almost ALL the time.

Still holding out for Jack/Juliet..because delusion is bliss.; Tuesday, May 06, 2008 4:15:00 PM
Selina said...: Katie said: "I'm voting Aaron and Ji Yeon for the spectacular kiss. ; )"

You know, that's actually my crackpot theory! Flashing 10+ years into the future would definitely cause HIC to say that he has no idea where the show will go from there lol!

Sockerock said: "yet another slam to the Jaters, which is what SNBH actually turned out being."

You know, if you want to be respected you HAVE to be respectful in return, and it's very hard to keep an open mind when faced with posts like these. I am not saying you can't be opinionated, but is it too much to ask that you at least keep an open mind for alternative interpretations? Methosrocks, yeah I agree, I think we watched a different show, because what I saw at the end of the episode was Kate desperately claiming that what she had to do for Sawyer had nothing to do with her and Jack, and Kate basically pulling a Claire and telling her messed up boyfriend and staying away from her baybay until he'd sorted out his life. But it's an interpretation no more and no less valid than yours, I realise this. If you could accept that just MAYBE you're not right (come on, the fandom is equally split! Who's to say which half has the right idea?? I think it's most likely a mix of both to be honest, I think the Sawyer hints were deliberate (except perhaps the paining thing...) but I also think there's no denying that Kate said "yes, of course I will, yes" when Jack proposed), then we could have reasonable and interesting discussions. No one gains anything by trying to prove their point shouting the loudest.; Tuesday, May 06, 2008 4:16:00 PM
isabelle said...: "Still holding out for Jack/Juliet..because delusion is bliss."

i'm pretty sure it was hinted that jacket isnt over, so you might be in luck! :) :); Tuesday, May 06, 2008 4:22:00 PM
methosrocks said...: What illusions about Jack? The man is having a personal crisis and granted he has no business dragging her down with him, but what you just flip a switch and say, "that's it, he's not sick, he's just showing his true colors". No, I don't think so. Jack is a good man in a bad place right now and he may lose Kate over it, but let's not imply that what we're seeing is who he was all along because that tells me that maybe we don't watch the same show. - katieB

I do think that what we're seeing is who he was all along. His stalking of Sarh and Achara showed us he has unhealthy controlling attitudes toward the women he becomes romantically involved with. And we've seen his tendency to drink in previous centrics as well, he was brown-bagging booze while he followed Achara around, just because she didn't want to tell him what she does for a living.

As for why I think Jack and Kate are over, maybe it's because we know that Jack didn't take stock after that argument in SNBH and get help, as Kate asked him to do. Instead, he continued to spiral downward till he's stealing pills, writing fake prescriptions and flying on random planes, hoping they crash. In the meantime, Kate is getting on with her life because her priorty is Aaron.

People do try relationships with people they love, find out the relationship can't work, and then move on. That could well be what we're seeing with Kate as far as Jack is concerned. And personally, I do think her attitude toward Jack changed at the end of SNBH. We had seen so many examples of him yelling and berating her and Kate in tears, but now that she has Aaron, she's not going to put up with that. JMO, of course.; Tuesday, May 06, 2008 4:26:00 PM
Kate Ford said...: The question didn't even talk about the kiss.It's a question about Skate,if Kate's heart belong to Sawyer?
Kristin is been the one to talk about the kiss,in a question related to Skate.If she didn't know anything,she wouldn't even mention the kiss.To me it was a big hint for Kate and Sawyer.That's the way I got the answer.
SNBH wasn't for sure an episode about an OTP,Jate isn't the OTP.That's not the way to write OTP's scenes to me.; Tuesday, May 06, 2008 4:33:00 PM
Selina said...: "SNBH wasn't for sure an episode about an OTP"

No but it wasn't for sure an episode about Skate being the OTP, either...; Tuesday, May 06, 2008 4:36:00 PM
Kate Ford said...: @Selina

Personally,for Skate it was.It's my opinion of course,I'm a Skater-But Kate and Sawyer have had a long journey before being intimate.The all mini-arc was a way to build this atmosphere for their first time together.It was a moment which deserved to be built.It's not been fast,or implied."After 55 hours,Kate and Sawyer who are in love with each other,made love for the first time.And it's wonderful".Carlton's Cuse's words.The post-coital scene.In the FF with Kate and Jack,everything is been so fast.We've started to watch the episode and they were just there,living in that house together as a couple.It's not even been a love scene.The proposal is been so unromantic and fast even that.all of this,just to arrive to the last scene.To me just the idea that a woman,after 2 long years,who's trying to happy with another man,she's still not capable to let Sawyer go.She's still keeping that promise,even if he could be dead and even if he will never know that she's doing this.And she's doing this as a secret.It's just about her and Sawyer.Sawyer's still a big presence in that house.Jack will never erase it.He will never be in her heart as Sawyer does.It doesn't matter the promise itself,but the deep meaning behind it.Kate took Sawyer away with her.And he's still the one.Jack is Wayne now and she'll never do the same mistake of her mother.Never.; Tuesday, May 06, 2008 4:47:00 PM
isabelle said...: as much as a skater as i am, the OTP is the couple whose relationship has survived an 8 year separation and whose scenes literally make people cry. des and pennya are shipped by everyone. hope ben doesnt kill her!! :); Tuesday, May 06, 2008 4:48:00 PM
katieb20022001 said...: As for why I think Jack and Kate are over, maybe it's because we know that Jack didn't take stock after that argument in SNBH and get help, as Kate asked him to do. Instead, he continued to spiral downward till he's stealing pills, writing fake prescriptions and flying on random planes, hoping they crash. In the meantime, Kate is getting on with her life because her priorty is Aaron.

People do try relationships with people they love, find out the relationship can't work, and then move on. That could well be what we're seeing with Kate as far as Jack is concerned. And personally, I do think her attitude toward Jack changed at the end of SNBH. We had seen so many examples of him yelling and berating her and Kate in tears, but now that she has Aaron, she's not going to put up with that. JMO, of course.

Ah perspective is a wonderful thing. I've never seen this mean ogre that yells at and berates Kate nor do I consider a woman willing to take phone calls from and meet a man as a woman that has moved on. If she truly wanted to move on, she changes her phone number and gets a restraining order.

You know it doesn't matter to me if Jack and Kate kiss and make up, I'm more interested in the HUGE reveals Foxy has been going on about. I just don't see the point in having her upset with Jack (AGAIN) and running to Sawyer (AGAIN). Like I said it's gross and demeaning in my opinion, but the writers seem to like paint that picture of Kate so while I really don't get it, I wouldn't be surprised by it if it happens.; Tuesday, May 06, 2008 4:53:00 PM
Selina said...: "Personally,for Skate it was.It's my opinion of course,I'm a Skater-But Kate and Sawyer have had a long journey before being intimate."

It is your own opinion, but has Jack and Kate not also had a long journey to lead them to where they are now? It's all a matter of perspective.

Anyway Katie I'm more inclined to agree with you - I'm sick of the whole triangle debate thing! I'm sick of people believing that they are without a doubt right and everyone else is wrong. I just want to see what happens. And I have no DOUBT that the reveal will be AMAZING. I just wish we could learn with certainty who the kiss was between so I could stop obsessing over it! It's an important part of Lost for me, but there is SO much more!; Tuesday, May 06, 2008 4:58:00 PM
lostaficionado said...: Katieb20022001, great post! I agree completely.; Tuesday, May 06, 2008 5:05:00 PM
DreamingMelody said...: Could be everyone. Kate/Sayid in the future is my guess. I dont think its Kate/Sawyer or Kate/Jack. It has to be unexpected and new. I would say Claire/Sawyer but its not on the island.; Tuesday, May 06, 2008 5:05:00 PM
crikey said...: If the past 3 seasons have proved anything, it's that Kate is a ropey old slapper who's up for a fumble with pretty much anyone after half a dozen Bacardi Breezers...

Jawyer is coming... BELIEVE! :)

I can't believe this thread, the discussion of a vacuous bints lovelife inspired by the comments of an equally vacuous bint who thinks she's got the inside track, has 100 comments while the episode PREVIEW, yes PREVIEW, just above has only 40...

...I despair ;); Tuesday, May 06, 2008 5:06:00 PM
kmarg said...: @katieb20022001
Well, there´re more reasons not to have sex with the man you love besides of getting tired of it.

I think it´s truly Sawyer who she loves, but she wants to love Jack. Somehow he seems to her to be more promissing for a good future with a founded setup. She was thinking that he´s better than her and to have him loving her is allmost like she became as good as him.
But she finds out that she was mistaking. Jack is not better than her and he´s not better than Sawyer either. He makes her uncomfortable and even frightens her. They have a serious trust issue and IMO it´s over the point of fixing that one. Well, I would have had enough by now.
I never had the feeling that she´s afraid of Sawyer and I didn´t belive her when she said she doesn´t trust him. It´s just that she was sure that he loves her and would do allmost anything for her (he let her use him even after that morning dispute in eggtown). Thats not really a challenge for her, right?
She didn´t want to "play house" with Sawyer because of the circumstances and her distrust. I´m sure she could have trusted him and he would have done anything to protect her, just as he did with Claire. She played house with Jack, but even the best circumstances cannot garantee happiness and now they have a big trust issue. I think it´s one of the most painful things: to be wrongly mistrusted!; Tuesday, May 06, 2008 5:07:00 PM
crazy_sexy_cool said...: @ Selina

"e, I think we watched a different show, because what I saw at the end of the episode was Kate desperately claiming that what she had to do for Sawyer had nothing to do with her and Jack"

And how can the promise have something to do with Sawyer and Kate romanticaly?.

He is on island, she is off. But like it or not, i think that scene and Kate's tears showed , clear that Kate have still feelings for Sawyer romantic or not.; Tuesday, May 06, 2008 5:15:00 PM
Selina said...: But... I'm baffled. Sawyer and Kate sure loved each other, but kmarg, your arguments make no sense. Kate and Jack DID make "playing house" work, and it was Jack who messed it up. You're saying Kate was wrongfully accused, does that mean that she DOESN'T have feelings for Sawyer? And if so, doesn't that negate your argument? I'm sure that's not what you were trying to say, but you're contradicting yourself. Either Kate was accused with a reason, or she wasn't. Either way, I personally believe that Kate loves both men in different ways, and whatever led Jack to be off island and Sawyer to stay is significant in terms of Jack and Kate getting together off the island. However, is anyone here actually going to deny that Kate was happy with Jack?? In the proposal scene Jack wasn't sure if he was doing the right thing, but wasn't Kate's response pretty indicative that SHE wanted to marry him? I'm sure you'll argue that she said yes because Sawyer wasn't there, but surely, if she loved him enough she wouldn't marry someone else? I'd be pretty pissed off with Kate if it was the other way around and she'd said yes to Sawyer. In fact, try to reverse the situation. Try to put Sawyer in those scenes instead of Jack. Honestly. How would you feel? Happy that Sawyer and Kate had a time where playing house worked for them, and Jack was little more than a shadow, I should hope. It's all about what we believe, not what's ACTUALLY happening on the screen! That will always be ambiguous. I think Lost has taught us to take nothing at face value, and whatever you believe, there's always an alternative way of seeing things, and being close minded will NOT help you understand the show.

Crikey - I guess this just proves that people care very strongly about the relationships... and I suppose that's life really, isn't it? It's the fact that people are so adamant in trying to get their points of view across (or in my case, adamantly trying to make people see that there's not one correct way of seeing things), and these points of view contrast. Remember the whole who's in the coffin debate? We went insane over that too, because we all had a different idea of who was in that coffin, and we all believed we'd read the clues correctly and were trying to convince people of what we thought. This is pretty much the same.; Tuesday, May 06, 2008 5:25:00 PM
Iam*jack's*eye said...: shipper argument again, sigh. andy can we get a shipper section? ;p; Tuesday, May 06, 2008 5:26:00 PM
methosrocks said...: Ah perspective is a wonderful thing. I've never seen this mean ogre that yells at and berates Kate nor do I consider a woman willing to take phone calls from and meet a man as a woman that has moved on. If she truly wanted to move on, she changes her phone number and gets a restraining order. - katieB

Variations on Jack yelling/berating and Kate crying/groveling: WTCMB, WKD, THP, LB, to name some. I find their dynamic odious. (I would find it so even if there had never been a Sawyer on this show, as many do who don't ship Skate.)

I think they would have a very hard time trying to sell a Jate kiss as "spectacular" at this point, especially after reading the reviews of this episode. Here's an excerpt from one written by a man.

And why do they grind to a halt? Well, because it’s time for a Jack episode, and Jack’s only relevance to the plot at this point is in being an irritating, gurning fool torn between two inexplicably attractive women who somehow want to get horizontal with him. Never before has a TV show has such a bizarrely repellent lead as Jack from Lost.
http://www.denofgeek.com/television/50657/lost_season_4_episode_10_review.html

I think the kiss could still be Des/Penny or Sayid/Nadia, but I don't think it will be Jate at this time.; Tuesday, May 06, 2008 5:31:00 PM
SockeRock said...: Methos, Darlton said it would complicate the triangle, which is why I think it'll be Sawyer/Claire, because neither Jate or Skate would be a complication. Desmond/Penny already had their moment for the season and don't really think a kiss could top that and we already know Nadia is dead.

I have to agree with the quote. Jack turned me off so badly and took a break from Lost for a year because I couldn't stomach him anymore and the thought he'll be off the island brought me back.

Since returning to LOST I no longer get the feeling the writers feel he's the be-all and end-all anymore. I feel he's slowly being edged out of the lead character spot.

But that's only my opinion.; Tuesday, May 06, 2008 5:43:00 PM
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methosrocks said...: "However, is anyone here actually going to deny that Kate was happy with Jack?? In the proposal scene Jack wasn't sure if he was doing the right thing, but wasn't Kate's response pretty indicative that SHE wanted to marry him?" - selina

I think she was happy. Then again, ask anyone previously engaged - or even married - if they were happy at the moment their boyfriend asked then to get married. All I'm saying is that things can go wrong later, as they did by the end of this episode, and people do move on. Just because Jack and Kate were together, and even engaged, at one point in time doesn't mean they will inevitably patch up their relationship at some later date. IMO.; Tuesday, May 06, 2008 5:55:00 PM
skrewuguyz said...: Ya know the love triangle doesn't really bother me at all because it's just one small aspect of the show. I don't really even give it much thought until I see people arguing about it on message boards and then it becomes truly annoying. So Jaters and Skaters please listen up: Get over yourselves it's really obvious Kate loves both guys equally and for different reasons. Sure Kate and Sawyer had sex, Sawyer also had sex with Anna Lucia, people get horny. But Kate didn't stay with Sawyer when he asked her to take up house in New Otherton. If she was in love with Sawyer she would have stayed with him. She's a fugitive, and even after having it confirmed by Miles that they know who she is, she still chose not to stay with Sawyer. So that says it all right there. Kate loves both guys but Kate clearly wants to be with Jack. She went back to the beach and left the door wide open for him and when he came around and eventually proposed marriage in the future, she said yes. But Jack will kill any chance they have of happiness because they each carry so much baggage with them, that as a result, neither couple could ever end up being happy together. The only guy that is really right for Kate is Aaron, because the love a parent has for a child is unconditional and that's the one that Kate really understands and needs the most herself. Neither Jack or Sawyer are going to end up with Kate because neither one of them is right for her. And this is not what they story of Lost is about, it's just one small part of a much bigger picture which is not likely to end happily ever after. So forget the whole couple thing I'll be happy if any of them even make it through this whole ordeal alive when the series ends. Peace.; Tuesday, May 06, 2008 5:59:00 PM
crazy_sexy_cool said...: @ Selina

"However, is anyone here actually going to deny that Kate was happy with Jack?? In the proposal scene Jack wasn't sure if he was doing the right thing, but wasn't Kate's response pretty indicative that SHE wanted to marry him? I'm sure you'll argue that she said yes because Sawyer wasn't there, but surely, if she loved him enough she wouldn't marry someone else? I'd be pretty pissed off with Kate if it was the other way around and she'd said yes to Sawyer. In fact, try to reverse the situation. Try to put Sawyer in those scenes instead of Jack. Honestly. How would you feel? Happy that Sawyer and Kate had a time where playing house worked for the"

You make a good point but i will mention the last scene with Jack and Kate again. And i think showed a bigg time that Kate is not over with Sawyer. The fact that She's assuming he wouldn't want Jack to know, so she's going with what she BELIEVES Sawyer would want, as opposed to what she KNOWS Jack wants. That above all would bother me if I were a Jater more than even her fulfilling the promise (that most likely doesn't have anything to do with Jack). I'm sure none of this bothers them anyway though, they'll see it differently.

And i think that Kate doesn't feel in her heart that her fiance and his insecurities should trump her old boyfriends possible feelings (nevermind the fact that he'd never even know if she told Jack) on a subject isn't that great of an indication of a true solemate love.; Tuesday, May 06, 2008 6:01:00 PM
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Selina said...: Shipping aside, as a fan of Kate's character who really wants her to get her balls back, I thought it was great that Kate could still honour Sawyer's wishes even when she was with Jack. IF this ends of being indicative that she loves Sawyer more (I can think of many indications of this, but that moment isn't one of them for me) then good for her and bad for me, but I just liked that despite being in love with and marrying Jack, she still didn't throw away her connection to Sawyer, and was intent on honouring his wishes. Besides, for me that moment was more about WHAT she promised to do rather than THAT she promised to do something. I really wanna know lol!

Anyway going back to the spectacular kiss, if Kristin says that Sawyer is alive on the island, does that rule out him being off island at any point in the future?? I still maintain that he is transported off the island by Ben to convince Kate that she has to being Aaron back, but if not, then that kind of proves that the spectacular kiss rumours aren't all true. If the kiss is Skate, then it can't be off island, therefore there is more than one kiss considered spectacular! I bet we'll all have our own opinions after the finale about which kiss was the spectacular one.; Tuesday, May 06, 2008 6:46:00 PM
crazyinlove923 said...: Kristen honestly doesn't know much at all about any show. She's been wrong in the past and despite her being on set, I'm not sure how much they'd actually tell her. Usually her spoilers (at least for other shows) are based off of sides that are released, so they're not even really spoilers when a bunch of other people already know them. I trust Michael Ausiello much more than Kristen.; Tuesday, May 06, 2008 6:56:00 PM
LOSTALICIA said...: And I will be fan of Desmond and Penny, writers never doing with them nothing bad, then only Des and Penny are only relationship on Lost for me, their relationship will be not never stain other couple, BUT I will be always fan of Jack and Kate because, I absolutely puff on verdict of writers!!!; Tuesday, May 06, 2008 6:59:00 PM
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SockeRock said...: Since the Jate episode got the lowest ratings that Lost ever got, it's definitely not going to be them, since their shooting the finale now. It really proves that Jate can't bring in the ratings and turns viewers off. I almost didn't watch myself.

If nothing sends the message to ABC that this pairing isn't something the majority of viewers want than this definitely will.; Tuesday, May 06, 2008 7:02:00 PM
isabelle said...: "...if Kristin says that Sawyer is alive on the island, does that rule out him being off island at any point in the future?? I still maintain that he is transported off the island by Ben to convince Kate that she has to being Aaron back,..."

i too, believe he gets off the island, most likely to convince kate to give aaron back to claire (or maybe not), but i dont think this spoiler rules that out.

if you look closely at the question, nothing about the future is mentioned. i consider this to mean, sawyer is on the island (island time) at the end of the epi.

this in no way rules out him being off the island future time. so your theory could still be true!! :) :)

also, the spectacular kiss takes place OFF ISLAND doesnt it??? so to me, this suggests that they kiss in the future. after TTLG time.; Tuesday, May 06, 2008 7:03:00 PM
crazy_sexy_cool said...: @ Selina

"f the kiss is Skate, then it can't be off island, therefore there is more than one kiss considered spectacular!"

I don't know what you mean by more then one kiss conisdered spectaular. Carlton say somethhing on Jimmy Kimmel that there will be a couple of kisses in the finale, but still one of the kisses will be the most spectacular.; Tuesday, May 06, 2008 7:04:00 PM
isabelle said...: sockerock - "I almost didn't watch myself."

i have to admit, i was very close to not watching either. but i decided that it would have a great ending for skate (cos every skate epi has a hint of jate and vice versa) so i watched it.

also, i relied on queen z (who watched earlier in canada) emailing me info so i cold prepare myself. lol, i'm so sad! the only thing that got me through the jate stuff was knowing that she was still thinking about sawyer in the end. :) xx; Tuesday, May 06, 2008 7:07:00 PM
crazy_sexy_cool said...: @Isabelle

"also, the spectacular kiss takes place OFF ISLAND doesnt it??? so to me, this suggests that they kiss in the future. after TTLG time."

They never saied that the the spectacular kiss take plase off island, Damon saied it dosen't happen on the island. And sometimes they play with snippers. It could easly mean a kiss on the freighter, that is not on the island.; Tuesday, May 06, 2008 7:09:00 PM
Selina said...: CSC: obviously, I just meant that different sources might have a different idea about which of the kisses is the spectacular one. Like, the only reason we think THE spectacular kiss is complicating the triangle is because of Entertainment Weekly, well what if they were told about a kiss in the triangle and just assumes that it's the kiss which Damon was talking about when he told Kristin that it didn't happen on the Island? So maybe the kiss Damon and Carlton are talking about is Desmond/Penny, and the one EW is talking about is Sawyer/Kate, which will happen on the island. In that way, more than one of the finale kisses is considered the spectacular one, and therefore after the episode we'll all be confused about which one Darlton meant.

But yeah I still think the theory about Sawyer getting off the Island at some point. Not with the O6, but I feel like the fact that Ben got off island in Shape of Things and Sayid was so surprised indicated that there's a way, and Ben might enlist Sawyer's (and Jin's?) help in getting the O6 back.; Tuesday, May 06, 2008 7:10:00 PM
Selina said...: As for the ratings, I'm not sure that's indicative of anything. It's a VERY small percentage of viewers that read enough spoilers to know the specifics of episodes before they've aired, and ratings indicate how many people actually make time to watch Lost that day. If anything, ratings indicate the quality of the episode the week before, because that determines whether people bother tuning in the next week, doesn't it? Polls on this site indicate that the episode did pretty well. And let's not forget that it's not necessarily because people don't want to see Jack and Kate, but more likely because they don't want to see the relationship aspect (ask any mythology fan on this site...). Let's not make any conclusions about what ship "the majority" of Lost viewers support, because about half of them don't even care.; Tuesday, May 06, 2008 7:14:00 PM
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Selina said...: Isabelle and Sockerock - are you actually saying you'd consider not watching an episode of Lost just because there was Jate in it?? I'm sorry, but... seriously?! It's LOST! I love shipping but I'd hope we all watch for more than just Jate or Skate!; Tuesday, May 06, 2008 7:18:00 PM
ana paula said...: Yeah Selina, you all right!

About the Kristin's spoiler, I remember that Kristin said that had a big Jacket kiss in The Other Woman and what was that? A friend Kiss when Jack was comforting Juliet!

After 4x10, I can't see skate anymore! If I were a person who liked Sawyer and Kate together, I don't want to see this thing happening because Kate choose go back of island, with Jack! She is with Jack in the future and they have a romance! She accepted her proposal and in a very happy way!
Kate likes Sawyer, they have a beautiful story but... she chose Jack!

I think this spetacular kiss will be between Jack and Kate or Sayid and Nadia or yet, Des and Penny. But, Kristin told many spoilers that not happened this season! I don't believe in that!; Tuesday, May 06, 2008 7:19:00 PM
isabelle said...: selina - "If anything, ratings indicate the quality of the episode the week before, because that determines whether people bother tuning in the next week, doesn't it?"

thats true. its sometimes hard for spoilerholics (like me :)) to understand that the AVERAGE viewer doesnt have a clue whose centric it is, doesnt know the name of the epi, hasnt seem sneak peaks etc. so they really dont have a clue what will happen. we all had a pretty clear idea, and if that put anyone off watching, its still a small percentage in total. :)

crazy_sexy_cool - "They never saied that the the spectacular kiss take plase off island, Damon saied it dosen't happen on the island. And sometimes they play with snippers. It could easly mean a kiss on the freighter, that is not on the island."

oh, yeah, i remember now. i still think it will be an off island future skate kiss, and but it could be anywhere really. hell, it could be in the water for all we know! :); Tuesday, May 06, 2008 7:25:00 PM
isabelle said...: selina - "Isabelle and Sockerock - are you actually saying you'd consider not watching an episode of Lost just because there was Jate in it?? I'm sorry, but... seriously?! It's LOST! I love shipping but I'd hope we all watch for more than just Jate or Skate!"

lol, yeah, i considered it (half heartedly) but i could NEVER EVER actually go through with it!! lol. i just thought, "god i dont wanna watch them together", but then i thought to myself "pull yourself together girl, its a tv show". i still downloaded it the second it came on the site i get it from cos i was still as desperate to watch it as i was with any epi. :) :) :) :); Tuesday, May 06, 2008 7:31:00 PM
Selina said...: Isabelle, thanks for being so open minded! You have no idea how nice it is :) I also think that it makes sense, because as unbelievably amazing as I found last week's episode, I'm sure for the average viewer it was a little too Ben heavy and a little too mythology based, I can imagine it putting people off. That said, I hope that loyal fans would tune in every week, no matter if it's a character or mythology heavy episode!; Tuesday, May 06, 2008 7:32:00 PM
isabelle said...: ana paula - "About the Kristin's spoiler, I remember that Kristin said that had a big Jacket kiss in The Other Woman and what was that? A friend Kiss when Jack was comforting Juliet!"

come on, you know that wasnt just a friendly kiss. granted it was a "i like you, but i am getting over soemone else" kiss, but how was kristin supposed to know that at the time? a lot of people saw the romance in that scene (i did)with the "he knows where to find me".

"After 4x10, I can't see skate anymore! If I were a person who liked Sawyer and Kate together, I don't want to see this thing happening because Kate choose go back of island, with Jack!"

see where your coming from, but its hard to deny the love kate has for sawyer in that last flashforward. if she didnt love him, she would have told jack about the favor she was doing. sawyers presence was all over those flashforwards and he didnt even have to physically be there.

the triangle is NOT OVER, and that means skate lives and jate lives. :); Tuesday, May 06, 2008 7:43:00 PM
SockeRock said...: I did watch, because I wanted to see Sawyer, Claire, Miles and Aaron. Have a feeling Sawyer won't be in this episode since Locke/Hurley/Ben will.

It was just too much Jack for me. His character is just so old and overexposed flies should be circling whenever he appears on screen.

Jack episodes are just so hard to get through because I find nothing in the least interesting about this character. I know many do, I'm just not one of them. I'm always looking at the clock wondering when his scenes will be over and we get on to someone more interesting.

Jack can't get his carcass off that island soon enough for me, and I think how low rated this episode was proves that it turned a lot of other people off, as well.; Tuesday, May 06, 2008 7:46:00 PM
Selina said...: But... he's one of the main characters on the show! I know I'm fighting a losing battle here but the writers created Jack along with everyone else, he's like their daddy issues personified... I've always thought that hate of a character is like, kind of insulting to the producers (that's how I feel whenever I create something that people don't like anyway).

Anyway I like Jack obviously, so naturally I'd defend him.

I don't know if the FF proves that Kate loves Sawyer, Isabelle. I think she DOES love Sawyer, but I really don't see all the evidence for it that you see! But to some extent I was probably blinded by how amazing I thought the Jate stuff was, so I'm sure there are more indications than I saw! I focused on the positive in Jate, you focused on the positive in Skate, and our interpretations turned out wildly different... that's why I think the intended interpretation must be somewhere in the middle, like, Kate was happy and in love with Jack but she still cared for Sawyer and wouldn't throw him and what he wanted aside just to appease Jack...; Tuesday, May 06, 2008 7:55:00 PM
jerome said...: Selina ,Isabelle,SockeRock I think that the previous Ben episode turned off casual viewers if anything.I'm no shipper and i realize that the heavy action/adventure/Iraqi thing might have been it.Once again,Hardcores like me loved that episode but I've talked to some casual fans and that episode was cool to them but not the greatest.People didn't stay away because of the Jate thing but because of the Ben thing prior to it.....; Tuesday, May 06, 2008 7:57:00 PM
Selina said...: Jerome, I think you're right. I don't fully understand the ratings system so someone please correct me if I'm wrong, but if people don't tune into the episode that can't really mean that they don't like the episode can it?? Cause they haven't even seen it! So it's all dependent on whether last week's episode was interesting enough for them to get them tuning in next week.

I don't get it though! Shape of Things to Come was AMAZING!

Also, weren't ratings low on all shows this week?; Tuesday, May 06, 2008 8:00:00 PM
SockeRock said...: Isabelle, while the triangle isn't over, in a way it is. Kate has always worshipped Jack because he reminds her of the man she wished was her father, while she's treated Sawyer like crap because she thinks of him as another Wayne. Only Jack showed turned into Wayne when he got drunk and got verbally abusive, so the blinders and hero-worship are gone. You saw that in last years finale. Maybe they'll get back together, but maybe they won't. Just what will Kate feel for Jack now he's no longer the living embodiment of her beloved stepdaddy she thought could do no wrong?

The ironic thing is that underneath Sawyer's bad boy act, he's turning out to be the one whose more like her beloved stepdaddy she worshipped while Jack is becoming more like the father she killed.

So whatever happens there'll be a whole new dynamic. It seems Kate chose to leave with Jack and left Sawyer behind. Can she really go back or did she make the biggest mistake and has she lost Sawyer for good.

There's no telling how much Sawyer has changed and what his life on the island is like. Will he even want her back?

So, yeah, the triangle will continue, but it'll be a how new one.; Tuesday, May 06, 2008 8:03:00 PM
Queen Z said...: I have to say that when it comes to the shipper war I don't really care who Kates kissing anymore. This back and forth thing is a bit too much. IF this is supposed to be a spectacular kiss then I would expect it would be two people kissing who haven't been showcased as much as the triangle. I would also hope that it involves two people who share a deep love, not two people who have knows eachother for a few months and can't figure out if they love eachother or not(i.e Kate, Sawyer, Jack)
I want to be wowed and Kate kissing either Sawyer or Jack at this point would simply be a dissapointment.; Tuesday, May 06, 2008 8:07:00 PM
Selina said...: Sockerock... I really disagree. I saw no reflection of Wayne in Jack. If he'd gotten physically abusive then yes, but he didn't. If anything Jack reminded me of Charlie in Fire+Water, and Kate reminded me of Claire (I won't have someone that messed up around my baybay is basically what they both said). That breakup scene wasn't just about Kate, it was about Jack's insecurities. It wasn't about Jack abusing Kate, it was about Jack walking away, which left Kate in tears.

Again, just a healthy counterpoint. Nothing should be in absolute terms, it's all just opinions :); Tuesday, May 06, 2008 8:10:00 PM
isabelle said...: sockerock - in a way your right. from my my very skatey perspective, i do agree about the fathers, and about how jack isnt this perfect hero anymore, and how sawyer is...

...but we all know that jack (whether we like it or not)will get better so i think the love triangle (between those same 3 characters) will stick around and be a part of the show until the bitter end. not because it should, but cos tptb have literally created monsters in all of us shippers and it is too late to reverse it without serioulsy pissing people off! :); Tuesday, May 06, 2008 8:15:00 PM
isabelle said...: 135 comments and we are all still being civil and friendly. i like it. this a shipper DISCUSSION not a WAR. very cool. :) :) :); Tuesday, May 06, 2008 8:18:00 PM
Precious said...: I'm actually wondering how anyone could be satisfied with a marriage proposal like the one between Jack and Kate. It was the lamest marriage proposal I've ever seen. Even lamer than the scene where Clark Kent practiced his marriage proposal to Lana with his dog Shelbie.

Where was the romance in that scene? Jack wakes Kate up in the middle of the night, asks her if he's a good daddy and after Kate stroked his ego he asks the question. No "I love yous" from either party, no "I've never been so happy before in my life", no "I want to spend the rest of my life with you". No flowers and no candel-light dinner. Nothing. If I were a Jack/Kate fan, I would feel cheated but I guess some people are just very easy to please.

And I'm sure that there won't be a Sawyer/Claire kiss. It would be wrong on so many levels and it also would be nice if they don't drag her character into this sucker of a story line.; Tuesday, May 06, 2008 8:18:00 PM
danielle said...: "After 4x10, I can't see skate anymore! If I were a person who liked Sawyer and Kate together, I don't want to see this thing happening because Kate choose go back of island, with Jack!"

Because of what Jack said, I understood it in a totally different way. It's not about Kate choosing to go, the important point is that Sawyer chose to stay ( he decided not go with her).; Tuesday, May 06, 2008 8:23:00 PM
Selina said...: Oh Precious, Isabelle had just proclaimed how nice and civil it all was. I know that for you that scene wasn't anything like you'd want it to be, but is that surprising, really?? I think that Skaters and Jaters aren't just defined by whether they like Jack or Sawyer best, but also defined by what type of romance they prefer, and therefore they interpret the scenes completely differently. Like your opinion of the proposal - it's so interesting to read it because I don't recognise your feelings at all. I thought the scene was beautiful. I thought Kate's response was beautiful and I thought it was interesting that the writers chose to get them engaged before breaking them up.

You know what's interesting is that Kate has not said "I love you" to either Jack nor Sawyer, both have said it to her, but all we've got from Kate was her "Yes, yes I LOVE HIM!!!" when Pickett was beating up Sawyer - and that's as ambiguous of a declaration as it can ever be, there's ALWAYS the possibility that she really did just say it to get him to stop hitting him. If that's not what you think their actions indicated, then think of what Jack and Kate's actions indicated in the proposal scene. Might just as well have indicated love as sleeping together in a cage - because come on. He proposed, she gave him a very sound and unconditional yes. But yet the words "I love you" have never been said by Kate. I think it's pretty unrealistic that she hasn't said it at all yet, UNLESS they are keeping that card for a specific reason.; Tuesday, May 06, 2008 8:26:00 PM
isabelle said...: precious - i couldnt agree more about the marriage proposal (although i liked it when clark practiced with shelby lol). there was also no KISS after she accepted, which there usually is in proposals.

his motive was all wrong, and granted she said yes, but from a skater perspective i am inclined to argue that she is trying to make it work with jack as a way of denying her feeling for sawyer. not that she doesnt love jack as well, but i think she loves sawyer more.

if sawyer was in jacks position, i would be so disappointed with the proposal. and if my boyfriend WOKE ME while i was sleeping to do it, i would telll him to go buy a good romance novel to see how its done, then get back to me. lol :); Tuesday, May 06, 2008 8:27:00 PM
ana paula said...: 135 comments and we are all still being civil and friendly. i like it. this a shipper DISCUSSION not a WAR. very cool. :) :) :)

Yes Isabelle, and it is a pleasure talk with people like you, Selina and others that can see the show with opinions but without war! It's great!

For who wrote that Kate saw Jack how a "new Wayne" I desagree because I can't see Kate wanting to kill Jack or Jack treating badly Kate like Wayne did! I saw him in a bad moment because his daddy issues and Kate understand that.
Yes, she will protect Aaron and she will separate of Jack, but it doesn't have nothing with her story with Wayne! Nothing!; Tuesday, May 06, 2008 8:39:00 PM
Kate Ford said...: @ana paula

Of course that she doesn't want to kill jack.But in that situation,it was like that she was living again what she lived when she was a kid.With the only difference that in this case she was playing her mother,Jack was playing Wayne and Aaron was playing Kate,in some way.And Kate will never do her mother's mistake.Her son comes first.Jack doesn't trust her,he yells at her and he insults her telling her that she's not even related to Aaron.She's doing a great job with the baby.It's like a son for her.He's arrogant and possessive.It's Wayne for Kate.That scene was really bad for Kate and Jack to me.
And actually I couldn't be happier for Kate and Sawyer.; Tuesday, May 06, 2008 8:46:00 PM
Surly said...: @sockerock-- I really like your analysis of Jack and Sawyer in terms of Kate's fathers. I never considered that before. And lord knows on Lost, it all goes back to daddy issues...; Tuesday, May 06, 2008 8:48:00 PM
Selina said...: "and he insults her telling her that she's not even related to Aaron."

I think we have to be careful not the give Kate too much credit here. I personally LOVE seeing her as Aaron's mother, but some people I've talked to have pointed out Kate is very very good at convincing herself that she is Aaron's mother, and completely denying that Claire ever existed. She's trying to maintain this happy facade of everything being lovely and normal, and intentionally blocking out whatever happened on the island - that's not healthy! Clearly Jack had issues with that (but decided in the end it wasn't enough to keep him away from Kate), and I think when Kate drags Aaron into the argument, Jack retaliates like that because Kate is so intent on pretending that everything is alright. I'm worried for Kate, I really am, I think she's completely convinced herself that she's Aaron's mother, and Jack's comment shocked her because she had blocked those thoughts completely from her mind.

Kate Ford, you couldn't be happier for Kate and Sawyer, really?? Cause hell, even I could, and I'm not even a Skater!; Tuesday, May 06, 2008 8:52:00 PM
isabelle said...: kate - "Jack doesn't trust her,he yells at her and he insults her telling her that she's not even related to Aaron.She's doing a great job with the baby.It's like a son for her."

i agree with this. that was a very bad scene for them. she is doing a fantastic job with aaron, and i feel than in that scene when jack said "your not even related to him", he was trying to make her feel like she doesnt have as much right to him as he does cos she isnt related to him and he is.

thing is, you dont have to be related to someone to be a proper parent. of course she can never replace claire...

but compare kates situation to real dad, the horrible one, and her adoptive/step dad (the nice one). from him, kate has learnt that she doesnt have to have a blood relation with someone to be family.

as for jack, well i think we can all agree that was his worst moment yet.

people can feel free to disagree. different takes on different things, thats the beauty of lost - its multi faceted :); Tuesday, May 06, 2008 8:54:00 PM
danielle said...: "And lord knows on Lost, it all goes back to daddy issues..."

Yes, and why no mommy issues?.
Even in their issues the important characters are men !!!; Tuesday, May 06, 2008 8:55:00 PM
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Lucylein said...: Haha Isabelle :-) Yeah mon petit fromage means my little cheese! i guess hse just wanted to come up with a little french and that was all she knew :-)

I like Kristin, although I haven't seen much of her. I just check Dark's site and that's it.

So this news is making me smile. I so want it to be Skate, I'm happy now. But the more I hear the more I'm curious to see this episode now!!! It's still so long.; Tuesday, May 06, 2008 8:58:00 PM
sawyerrules said...: do you see the same when Sawyer was in near to death and Kate said: "I'll do anything you want" or when Jack is almost dying in last episode and Kate can't help and even has to go out of the tent?

I think that if Sawyer were in that operation she'd never go away the tent.; Tuesday, May 06, 2008 8:58:00 PM
Kate Ford said...: @selina

Yes,Selina,I am.I'm very glad for what the writers have built for Kate and Sawyer in the future.I'm happy for Kate's reaction talking about Sawyer,I'm happy because there's this promise which is a big connection between them.And about Jate,it's been exactly as I expected.I'm happy for Skate's story.I'm just a little bit sad because they didn't shared so much scenes this season.But it will be worth it.It's a long journey.I know very well.But this episode,at least to me,has confirmed that jack will always be second for Kate.Even Jack knows to me.And Kate and Jack are not made to be together.; Tuesday, May 06, 2008 8:59:00 PM
isabelle said...: selina - "I'm worried for Kate, I really am, I think she's completely convinced herself that she's Aaron's mother"

yeah, i agree with this too. while i believe you can be a good mother, within being blood related, i do agree that she is blocking out claire completing and thats not healthy.

kate is trying to raise aaron as her own, and matbe she thinks that claire is dead. she feels like she is the only mother aaron has, and whilst i think that she is doing an amazing job, she does need to recognise that he had another mother who loves him just as much and is likely to (if she is alive) want him back someday.

that will be a hard day for kate as she wont be able to let go. i think sawyer will be the one to convince her, as he (at this point in time) would have seen first hand the effect on claire this is having. he can tell kate what claire is going through and she will realise that claire is aarons real mother.

its funny, we lose one rousseau and gain another!! claire is the new rousseau. and think of it this way, alex probably loves danielle and ben equally, and i think aaron will too. :); Tuesday, May 06, 2008 9:01:00 PM
Kate Ford said...: @Sawyerrules

So true.She is been even ready to take a bullet for Sawyer:-)She never did this for Sawyer.She's never been so scared to lose him.It's about reaction.She's been 24 hours watching Sawyer in season 2.; Tuesday, May 06, 2008 9:02:00 PM
Kate Ford said...: I meant she never did this for Jack:-)Sorry.; Tuesday, May 06, 2008 9:04:00 PM
Lucylein said...: I have something to add about the whole Skate vs. Jate discussion:
I'm a total Skater. I love them being together and in season 3 when they were in those cages and she climbed out and climbed into his and they made love, I was partying in front of my tv. :P They are amazing together. But they always had problems. For example after they escaped and they had that fight about going back for Jack. I see she always had some feelings for Jack too. You can see that in the very first episodes, Jack and Kate were doing everything together. Not sure why the authors changed that into Sawyer, but I like it.
And I really think that last episode with Jack and Kate being engaged in the future was real cute too. It surprised me that I liked them together but I really did. They were so perfect together at least on the surface. And to be honest, that sudden proposal was cute. I know nothing planned and no very romantic-candle light-proposal but it was cute. And they looked happy. But I was shocked to hear she did something for Sawyer. That proofs she will never forget him!!!; Tuesday, May 06, 2008 9:06:00 PM
ana paula said...: Yes, but Jack and Wayne have almost nothing in comun! Wayne was a bad guy and Jack doesn't it!
Kate see Jack like a leader, a great man, different how she saw Wayne. To me, Jack is more like her step-father, a great man. Of course, with a sex vibration! OMG! The 4x10 FF!
Well... yes, Jack was drinking much. Yes, Wayne did the same! But she know that Jack never will treat her or Aaron like Wayne did with her mother and the little Kate! Jack went away and he was crying too!

Kate's mother went in her trial and she talks very good things about dr. Shephard. Kate stayed there, listening and then, she told to her mother went away!

If we are talking about kids and Kate reaction about it, we need remember about the "wohoooooo" from Sawyer when Kate told that she wasn't pregnant! I know that she remember that!; Tuesday, May 06, 2008 9:06:00 PM
isabelle said...: "But she know that Jack never will treat her or Aaron like Wayne did with her mother and the little Kate!!"

i disagree. i think she is scared to death that he will end up just like wayne and that is why she kicked him out.; Tuesday, May 06, 2008 9:16:00 PM
Selina said...: A... sex vibration? o.o

Anyway I think if we're comparing Jack to anyone I think it should be to his own dad! I don't see the parallel to Wayne but I DO see that Jack has pretty much turned into what his dad used to be (ironically enough, the visions of his dad were the ones that broke him). There's different kinds of fighting parents, different outcomes, different REASONS. Jack and Kate didn't fight because Jack was abusive or because they had a dysfunctional relationship. They fought because of Jack's doubts about himself and being second best to Sawyer, and because the Island was pulling Jack away from Aaron (when Hurley said he wasn't meant to raise Aaron, Jack knew exactly what he was talking about). And Jack walked away! Kate's issues with her fathers DO parallel the Skjate triangle, especially in season 2, but I don't think we can lock neither Jack nor Sawyer into the Wayne booth and keep them there forever, no matter how much easier it would be if it were true. Jack is NOT like Wayne. Nor is Sawyer, not anymore.; Tuesday, May 06, 2008 9:16:00 PM
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LOSTALICIA said...: Some people hate couples, and I know, why. But I will be love relationship of Jack and Kate in season 1 and 2 always, they maybe will be not couple in future, but they will be with Charlie my favourite characters on Lost always, I love all 3 since the beginning and it never be changed.; Tuesday, May 06, 2008 9:19:00 PM
danielle said...: na paula said:"Jack and Wayne have almost nothing in comun! Wayne was a bad guy and Jack doesn't it!"

After 4 seasons, I think that what the writers are trying to tell us is that all the characters have their good and bad sides, they are not flat characters !!!; Tuesday, May 06, 2008 9:22:00 PM
ana paula said...: This post has been removed by the author.; Tuesday, May 06, 2008 9:30:00 PM
ana paula said...: Yes Danielle, I agree with your post! All characters have many sides on Lost!

You are totally right!; Tuesday, May 06, 2008 9:30:00 PM
sawyerrules said...: I was sad at first that last episode was aired but when I had been thinking about it I'm getting pretty sure that is a clear confirmation of Kate is in love with Sawyer. She is Monica in the FF, she is trying to make work the relationship with Jack cause she hasn't Sawyer and she has a baby to take care for.; Tuesday, May 06, 2008 9:32:00 PM
Selina said...: Except she's NOT Monica. Jack knows who she really is, she told him her real name the first time they met. And unlike Monica, Kate did not run from neither Jack nor Aaron. She was fine on her own with Aaron, but she still implored Jack to change his mind because she wanted to be with him, let's not forget that. In the end it was Jack, not Kate, who ran away, and I think that's very significant.

And yes Danielle ITA! You can't put labels on characters and judge them based on that! They're all so multi-dimensional.; Tuesday, May 06, 2008 9:34:00 PM
n/a said...: who the fuck cares who kisses WHO!!!!!! Jesus Christ, this is the LEAST interesting aspect of this show. I want more island secrets..!!!; Tuesday, May 06, 2008 9:34:00 PM
lolol said...: Just to throw in my two cents...

I don't really get why you would want Kate and Sawyer to end up together now that shes had a full relationship with Jack. Just seems a bit weird to carry it all on.

Sawyer and Kate were very important to each other because they allowed each other to grow - Sawyer eventually ending up who is supposed to be after killing his dad (does anyone else find that a bit creepy???). Kate runs and Sawyer gets that - Aaron stops Kate from running. At this point she is mature enough to have a relationship and set up a home with Jack.

When they break up at the end it is not because she does not love him it is because he has issues and she has a child to think of. She keeps Sawyer's secret because she owes that to him and because he was someone she loved (Kate made a promise and shes keeping it simple as that). She is in love with Jack she specifically states that this has nothing to do with Sawyer knowing that Jack has serious inferiority issues (given that his dad has told him over and over again he cannot be a hero).

I don't really get how you can argue that she is in love with Sawyer at this point because the writers use explicit language to ensure that this is not the case. Kate shows this by stating that she is so glad he came back, accepting his proposal without a second thought and telling Jack that this has nothing to do with anything other then them.

Side point I thought the tent scene with Kate holding the mirror was to illustrate Kate realising her true feelings for Jack.

Wow that was therapeutic ....... bloody triangle give me more Desmond!!!; Tuesday, May 06, 2008 9:52:00 PM
SockeRock said...: SawyerRules, I don't think it was a coincidence they totally redid the scene of Monica jumping up and straddling Kevin with Kate and Jack. The Kevin/Monica scene happened in a hallway just like the Jack/Kate scene only the Jack/Kate scene had that painting in the background which was a replica of Sawyer standing over the ridge and swinging the rifle over his shoulder.; Tuesday, May 06, 2008 9:53:00 PM
isabelle said...: sawerrules - agreed. this was a great epi for skate. either jacks behavior was unreasonable when sawyer was mentioned OR he has good reason to believe that he actually IS second best.

i dont think jack would just fly off the handle if this was the first mention of sawyer in years. it must a reacurrent theme in their relationship and he fianlly snapped. which is more understandable than if this is the first time he has been brought up.; Tuesday, May 06, 2008 9:55:00 PM
sawyerrules said...: Kate is acting as Monica, do you remember? She don¡t do taco's night, but now she has a baby and Sawyer is not there so she has to live...but Sawyer is still there :); Tuesday, May 06, 2008 9:55:00 PM
SockeRock said...: lolol, Sawyer didn't kill his father. He killed the man that caused his father to murder his mother and then kill himself.

And, I don't want Sawyer to end up with Kate. I think he deserves someone that will put him first.; Tuesday, May 06, 2008 9:56:00 PM
SockeRock said...: Isabelle, I keep wondering if Jack's Sawyer hatred doesn't involve Kate. I'm wondering if Sawyer goes back to the beach and challenges Jack's leadership.

I wonder if the other losties side with Sawyer and Sawyer takes them up to the temple to safety.; Tuesday, May 06, 2008 9:59:00 PM
lolol said...: sockerock - thanks! I meant Locke's dad - got a bit carried away on the subject.; Tuesday, May 06, 2008 10:00:00 PM
SockeRock said...: The writers said there was going to be a big debate on who was right: Locke or Jack, but Locke doesn't seem about to return to the beach, so maybe Sawyer carries it on declaring Jack is going to get everyone killed because he's wrong and the others [minus the 06] side with Sawyer against Jack.; Tuesday, May 06, 2008 10:01:00 PM
Selina said...: "I don't think it was a coincidence they totally redid the scene of Monica jumping up and straddling Kevin with Kate and Jack. "

I have seen people make this parallel before, but then I remembered the cage sex scene - where Kate also ends up riding on Sawyer. She likes jumping on people, what can you do? It's her thing. Probably related to her climbing trees so much. :)

Liking your point lolol, but obviously not everyone will agree... that's just the way it is. I just wish people would stop trying to DENY Jate. It's pointless and there's just nothing concrete to back it up. I didn't see Sawyer in that painting. Others did. There's nothing definitive about any of this.; Tuesday, May 06, 2008 10:06:00 PM
SockeRock said...: Selina, I don't deny Jate and I don't care if they get together, since I'd prefer that Sawyer got together with Claire.

But you have to admit that if you build up a couple for four years and then when they get together you don't even show how it happen or their first time together, there's something very wrong with this picture.

I'm sorry, but showing the first time a couple is together after four years of building them up is a mandatory requirement that the writers bypassed. They didn't even show a scene of the two of them cuddling up in bed. There's something very wrong with this picture.; Tuesday, May 06, 2008 10:17:00 PM
danielle said...: lolol said: "I don't really get how you can argue that she is in love with Sawyer at this point because the writers use explicit language to ensure that this is not the case."

I totally disagree. The writers have never been explicit about the triangle.
They are always ambiguous, that's why there's a triangle.; Tuesday, May 06, 2008 10:18:00 PM
ana paula said...: Selina, I love your comments! You are so realistic!

The comparation between Monica/Kevin and Jack/Kate is no sense! Kate lied to Kevin since beginning! She didn't do that with Jack, on contrary!

She told to Jack that it don't have ANYTHING with them, with their relationship!; Tuesday, May 06, 2008 10:19:00 PM
ana paula said...: SockeRock said...
But you have to admit that if you build up a couple for four years and then when they get together you don't even show how it happen or their first time together, there's something very wrong with this picture.

Well, they don't show us it yet! But they don't show us how they leave of island too! The first date of Jate will be showed! Calm down! We JATERS need see that! We need very much!; Tuesday, May 06, 2008 10:24:00 PM
isabelle said...: "I'm sorry, but showing the first time a couple is together after four years of building them up is a mandatory requirement that the writers bypassed. They didn't even show a scene of the two of them cuddling up in bed. There's something very wrong with this picture."

couldnt agree more. they have not written jate the way a OTP should be written. like fish said, speed jating. they didnt show ANY sex, ANY i love you's, a first date, and first kiss (off island), cuddling scenes, and correct me if i am wrong, but did we even see them asleep in the same bed as each other?

"The comparation between Monica/Kevin and Jack/Kate is no sense! Kate lied to Kevin since beginning! She didn't do that with Jack, on contrary!"

of course she is lying to jack. she has been talking to people on the phone behind his back, she refuses to tell him what she is doing for sawyer. i mean, as far as jack knows there could be no favor, she could be having an affair with sawyer, but yet, she STILL doesnt put him right on that one. thats lying and keeping secrets and people who are getting married dont tend to do that. :); Tuesday, May 06, 2008 10:29:00 PM
sawyerrules said...: sockerrock said:The writers said there was going to be a big debate on who was right: Locke or Jack, but Locke doesn't seem about to return to the beach, so maybe Sawyer carries it on declaring Jack is going to get everyone killed because he's wrong and the others [minus the 06] side with Sawyer against Jack.

What you said always makes me think for a while. I hope the finale is going to be great for Sawyer, probably he's going to be the new leader and something more, finally we'll have something nice back home ;); Tuesday, May 06, 2008 10:32:00 PM
isabelle said...: "The first date of Jate will be showed!"

maybe. but the seasons are shortened as it is, why waste time showing the first date or a couple that WE KNOW breaks up? it would be pointless. and the majority of viewers wouldnt wanna see it, as it would have no relavence what so ever to the show. tptb have said that there will be no more fillers, and most people (not just skaters, but non shippers and average fans not like us) would consider that to be one big fat filler!! :)

and besides, the impact of a first date is lost when you know how it turns out. :); Tuesday, May 06, 2008 10:34:00 PM
ana paula said...: ... like fish said, speed jating. they didnt show ANY sex, ANY i love you's, a first date, and first kiss (off island), cuddling scenes, and correct me if i am wrong, but did we even see them asleep in the same bed as each other?

I understand what you say Isabelle but you really need more than Jate FF to show us that they sleeped together and that she loves Jack? I don't need! She told that she loves him of many ways! Yes... of course I will... and others!

When I saw I Do and the cage scene, I think that she cares about Sawyer too, but she didn't tell I love you too!

Now, with Jack, she show that in her emotion! And in island too! That scene with Juliet, after Jack's surgery was very significant about her feelings!

And I write again, they don't show the first date and the first kiss YET!; Tuesday, May 06, 2008 10:39:00 PM
Lena said...: "I'm sorry, but showing the first time a couple is together after four years of building them up is a mandatory requirement that the writers bypassed. They didn't even show a scene of the two of them cuddling up in bed. There's something very wrong with this picture."
There is nothing wrong with this picture! Their kiss in the shower when they are both naked was very hot! What writers wanted is to keep fans in suspence ,wondering who is Jack with in future. They like the surprise factor.
I really enjoyed jate all the jate scenes, even a fight, I didn't need more at that stage. It was all pretty well ballanced and very cute and surprising!Jack and Kate were not rough like Sawyer and Kate in the cage, they were tender and loving! This is the difference between these two couples, and Evie plays it so well!

As for the kiss, there are a couple of kisses. So who knows what they mean by "spectacular". I remember they called Jacket kiss "passionate" which was far from it.; Tuesday, May 06, 2008 10:42:00 PM
SockeRock said...: Good one, SawyerRules, and I really hope so.

Isabelle, what would be the point of showing their first date and whatnot. The time to do it was during Something Nice Back Home. Besides, the rumor is there will be no more flashforwards/backs in season 5. There would be no point in showing what happened after the trial and SNBH since it has no relevancy for anyone but Jaters.

The writers have said that the finale plays like a pilot for an entirely different show. I think the writers just wanted to do Jate as quickly as possible and wrap it up, because they're going to be on to something new next season.

And Matthew Fox said they'd be showing what happened after Through The Looking Glass so there really doesn't seem to be any plans to go back into Jateland for their firsts.; Tuesday, May 06, 2008 10:47:00 PM
Elyse007 said...: Kristin is a real piece of work. I am not a fan of hers and this is exactly why. She acts more like a fangirl than a reporter. She spun her words and twisted them around to make it sound like she knows something when she really knows nothing at all.

Also, there are characters on the show other than Sawyer. I sometimes wonder if she realizes that. There are also scoopsters that actually know things. I got absolutely nothing from this. She doesn't know anything about the finale other than the Sawyer, Locke & Jin scoop.

I'm still waiting for less Jack, for Juliet to kiss Jack in "The Other Woman" and for Kate to be pregnant. *rolls eyes* Oh yeah, her 'secret Sawyer scene' "scoop" was recently debunked, so there's another thing that she was wrong about. I can't stop people from putting stock into what she writes, but I'm definitely not doing that.

Thank goodness for people like Dark, who do know scoops and have a good track record :)

If I insulted anybody who likes Kristin, that wasn't my intention. I am just so fed up with this woman that I couldn't keep it in any longer.

From now on, I'm avoiding anything Lost-related with the name 'Kristin' in it.; Tuesday, May 06, 2008 10:49:00 PM
isabelle said...: ana paula - "I understand what you say Isabelle but you really need more than Jate FF to show us that they sleeped together and that she loves Jack? I don't need!"

ok, i didnt need to see it (and i am thankful that i didnt see it) and yes your right its obvious she loves him. i see what you mean there...

BUT as a jater, SURELY you would have rather seen some of these things? more than 2 kisses (one of ehich was blocked out entirely), sex, i loves yous, a real reason for asking someone to get engaged etc. i just feel that if i was a jater i would feel so let down.

but obviously you were satisfied with it and thats cool, but to see that a relationship works, imo, its needs to be shown to work, not just on the surfice but in all aspects of their relationship.

the whole thing was abit forced imo, and it was all about jack wanted to be a good daddy to aaron, rather than a boyfriend/fiance to kate.

but different people, different view :) :); Tuesday, May 06, 2008 10:51:00 PM
Selina said...: "There is nothing wrong with this picture! Their kiss in the shower when they are both naked was very hot! What writers wanted is to keep fans in suspence ,wondering who is Jack with in future. They like the surprise factor."

That's what I was going to say. Sometimes on Lost they do put the surprise factor over other things, like in Ji Yeon - it was an amazing foil, but in retrospect half the episode was about Jin buying a panda! I thought this was a great way of revealing Jate, because it has the ambiguity of whether it will be Juliet or Kate in the shower. And we saw what led up to that development in Eggtown, so I don't know why people are making such a big deal about there not being a first kiss. And it's not a porn show! The fact that it wasn't more explicit proves nothing, you don't need to hear the moans or the zipper being pulled down (coughSpuffycough) in order to understand that they have sex or sleep in the same bed.

As someone else said, they HAVE to keep the triangle ambiguous, so just as they're keeping Skate open, they are also keeping Jate open.

And yeah, who knows what they mean by spectacular kiss anyway?; Tuesday, May 06, 2008 10:54:00 PM
isabelle said...: sockerock - exactly. that is what i was saying (about the first date). and really? no ff/fbs? cool. what are they gonna add instead? flash sideways?? wouldnt put it past them! lol

i also agree with getting it out of the way. speed jating. lol, still cracks me up. xx :); Tuesday, May 06, 2008 11:00:00 PM
isabelle said...: "Jack and Kate were not rough like Sawyer and Kate in the cage, they were tender and loving!"

i disagree about sawyer and kate. i have watched that scene 100 times and i see nothing *rough* about it. it was passionate and hot, but not rough. then there was the after sex kisses. if thats not tender and loving, i dont know what is.; Tuesday, May 06, 2008 11:04:00 PM
SockeRock said...: Isabelle, I think the game changer is what they'll be doing next. My guess is it's time travel. Instead of just the viewer living the flashbacks or forwards the characters will be living them by going into the past or the future.

That may be how people will get their Danielle story. Someone will travel back in time on the island to when Danielle first arrived.; Tuesday, May 06, 2008 11:05:00 PM
Selina said...: Sockerock, that's a very interesting theory! I was thinking they'd do like, only current time (which would be amazing, I'd love to see 40 solid minutes of story development!), but maybe time traveling Desmond-style will be more prominent next season. They can't do that EVERY episode though can they?? Where was it said that there'd be no more flashbacks/forwards after s4?; Tuesday, May 06, 2008 11:09:00 PM
SockeRock said...: Isabelle, I agree with you about the Skate love scene. It was passionate not rough and it was also voted one of the sexiest love scenes by TV Guide.

Frankly, the writers write Sawyer/Kate as the root-for couple and Jack/Kate as the rebound relationship.

Yes, I know they started Jack/Kate first, but Sawyer/Kate got all the firsts that the writers decided to skip over for Jack/Kate.; Tuesday, May 06, 2008 11:10:00 PM
sawyerrules said...: isabelle said...

... the seasons are shortened as it is, why waste time showing the first date or a couple that WE KNOW breaks up? it would be pointless. and the majority of viewers wouldnt wanna see it, as it would have no relavence what so ever to the show. tptb have said that there will be no more fillers, and most people (not just skaters, but non shippers and average fans not like us) would consider that to be one big fat filler!! :)

and besides, the impact of a first date is lost when you know how it turns out. :)

Totally agree isabelle.

Hight speed romance is not what I'd want for Skate, the tenderness develop of Sawyer and Kate relationship with that GREAT SEXY KISS in Confidence Man, the I never game, the careless of Kate when Sawyer was ill, and, of course the Glass Ballerina sweet kiss, the Kate's suffering in the cages for Sawyer and finally the LOVE SCENE in the cages...and after this the clean slate Kate's offers to Sawyer, Kate's telling Sawyer she might be pregnant and angry cause he doesn't want it....and things I omitted cause its too long. All this is a real relationship to me and furthermore the actors have a great chemistry together, this is GREAT for an Epic love story :); Tuesday, May 06, 2008 11:12:00 PM
SockeRock said...: Selina, the writers hinted that there may come a time where flashbacks/forwards will be no more. It was when they were talking about the game changer.

I guess only time will tell.; Tuesday, May 06, 2008 11:12:00 PM
MB said...: I'm one of those people who hates the love triangle. It really is getting old. But I have to say that at least Sawyer and Kate heat up the screen when they're together. I enjoy a little heat once in a while.
Jack and Kate, on the other hand, felt really forced and had zero chemistry. Perhaps because we didn't see how they got to that point where they were together but...I doubt it would make a difference if we had. You either have chemistry or you don't.; Tuesday, May 06, 2008 11:23:00 PM
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Daisy said...: "The comparation between Monica/Kevin and Jack/Kate is no sense! Kate lied to Kevin since beginning! She didn't do that with Jack, on contrary!"

She was living a lie as Monica, and she is living a lie as "Kate, mother of Aaron and one of only six crash survivors."; Tuesday, May 06, 2008 11:24:00 PM
isabelle said...: ana paula - "Isabelle, I loved talk to you today! You are skate and I am Jate but we are Lost fans first of all, and congratulations for who will be right! You or me or neither!"

i loved talking to you too. you are such a sweetie! yeah, we are all fans of lost which is why its silly we all argue so much! but at least if we are so passionate about the show, it means the writers are doing a good job! :) xx

also, i think that was a good point you made. skate can be more passionate, whereas jate can be more romantic.; Tuesday, May 06, 2008 11:29:00 PM
ana paula said...: "Jack and Kate were not rough like Sawyer and Kate in the cage, they were tender and loving!"

I couldn't agree more! Sawyer and Kate had their moments and I hated see that but they are much differents than Jate moments.

I think this is the difference between Jaters and Skaters. Both loves opposite kind of couples! Just the woman is the same and just her body because her mind is other when she is with Jack than when she stay with Sawyer!
Jaters are more... romantic if I can call this way! Skaters are more... passionate??? I don't know but our believe in our ships and it is the great thing about Lost! They know how touch in our feelings!

Isabelle, I loved talk to you today! You are skate and I am Jate but we are Lost fans first of all, and congratulations for who will be right! You or me or neither!; Tuesday, May 06, 2008 11:30:00 PM
Selina said...: But Jack is living the same lie...

Also people who say that the painting of the wall is Sawyer, did you guys see this?? http://bp2.blogger.com/_n3eH1jI8AZ8/SB1XhZN2GPI/AAAAAAAAESA/M0MyRhqL8i8/s1600-h/christian-painting.jpg It's pretty damn awesome!

And I really think that chemistry is subjective. :)

Also, Skate has been developing since season 1, but so has Jate. What we saw in SNBH didn't come out of nowhere, their relationship had been developing since they first met, and it took them a very long time to get to that point.; Tuesday, May 06, 2008 11:31:00 PM

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