Who are the Oceanic 6? | Lost Season 6

Who are the Oceanic 6?
Posted by DarkUFO at 12/11/2007 11:10:00 AM (Comments: 206)
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As Kristin recently revealed in her last post, she asks who are the Oceanic 6? Well as I stated I've known about the Oceanic 6 for a while but until another site revealed it I was not at liberty to mention anything about it. This is the 6 that you've been seeing in the promo's and trailers.

Well the Oceanic 6 are the 6 people who get off the Island and are semi-famous. The question that you all want answered is actually quite easy to reveal based on the spoilers we've already collected over the last few months.

I hope that soon I will be able to reveal to you some more info......

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sluky said...: where is May 2010?????; Tuesday, December 11, 2007 11:31:00 AM
caca01 said...: And Claire?; Tuesday, December 11, 2007 11:35:00 AM
lyly ford said...: thank kristin to open your mouth lol 'cause dark can do it too lol; Tuesday, December 11, 2007 11:41:00 AM
yas said...: O....M....G......

thak you so much Dark! This is huge! I want Lost back NOW!!

lol, the O-6 are my fave 6 characters :p; Tuesday, December 11, 2007 11:41:00 AM
sharkington said...: So Desmond vision about Claire and Aaron getting in a helicopter is wrong!?

Or maybe they are taken somewhere else...

What if Desmond was lying about his visions??? What if Desmond is Jacob??? What if... ok i stop here lol; Tuesday, December 11, 2007 11:53:00 AM
Adam said...: Is Sun and Jins baby not going to count? And was Claire and Aaron switched out beacuse Paik probly made the vessel arriving at the island?; Tuesday, December 11, 2007 12:04:00 PM
bob said...: I believe that this only refers to the original Oceanic passengers... Ben, Juliet, Desmond, Danielle, Alex, Karl, etc etc could all still leave the island.

If Michael isn't included in the "6", does that mean that he's left on the island? Or is he a "special case" because, as far as people know, he's already escaped?

Maybe Michael doesn't return to the island at all... maybe he shows up because "the 6" leave the island at the end of episode 7 or 8...?

If this spoiler is out there ALREADY, that means that we must know the 6 within the first 8 episodes...

Holy crap, so many possibilities...; Tuesday, December 11, 2007 12:20:00 PM
bob said...: As for Sun/Jin's baby... I'd say that he/she wouldn't count in "the 6" because he/she wouldn't remember anything about the crash or the island. No reason why Oceanic would offer an unborn baby a deal...; Tuesday, December 11, 2007 12:21:00 PM
Stuart said...: Thanks Bob, you've helped me there I now have hope Desmond could get off the island with them :); Tuesday, December 11, 2007 12:24:00 PM
Lost in Portugal said...: I think these are the ones who are "officially rescued". It leaves room for other people like Ben, Juliet, Michael, Rousseau, etc, leaving the island.; Tuesday, December 11, 2007 12:33:00 PM
Adam said...: yeah bob, your right.. if your a foetus you dont really count as a full on number in the rescue yet. And she still has 6 months or so left before giving birth.

This may be a reason though she is one of the rescued survivors.

Im starting to think the oceanic 6 refer to the original seating chart on the plane, Jack was in seat 23(a,b, and c from different sources) and it would be interesting to see a canon seating chart to see if those 6 valenzetti numbers are part of who was chosen in the oceanic 6.; Tuesday, December 11, 2007 12:33:00 PM
Gordan said...: Haha, this ends the speculations that Kate referred to Sawyer in S3 finale
:D:D
Great news by the way; Tuesday, December 11, 2007 12:44:00 PM
Webbsta said...: I guess these are all "Team Jack" like someone stated earlier....

"Team Locke" gets left behind....; Tuesday, December 11, 2007 12:46:00 PM
Jamielost said...: I'm hoping that doesn't mean those 6 just get off the Island and the rest die, hmm.; Tuesday, December 11, 2007 12:58:00 PM
handetekin04 said...: So, who is the man in the coffin? Jin? Sayid? Certainly not Hurley...

That means, these 6 are not the only people to leave the island.; Tuesday, December 11, 2007 1:01:00 PM
DarkUFO said...: That means, these 6 are not the only people to leave the island.

Ah but remember that there are a lot of people on the Island who are NOT Oceanic.

Desmond, Alex, Danielle, Ben, Juliet etc; Tuesday, December 11, 2007 1:09:00 PM
Theodosia said...: Gordan, The spoiler says that the six are those who get off the Island INITIALLY. That word says that more join at some point. "He" very well could be Sawyer. Haha.; Tuesday, December 11, 2007 1:42:00 PM
DarkUFO said...: Theodosia: I've removed the word "initially" as it was misleading. Our current understanding is that these are the 6 who get off.

They are known as the Oceanic 6.

We have no info if others get off the island later.; Tuesday, December 11, 2007 1:52:00 PM
Jake C. said...: In which promos and trailers was there a 6?

And... why am I still reading spoilers??? :D; Tuesday, December 11, 2007 2:07:00 PM
Ben said...: Since Jack really wants to head back to the island that means something must of enticed the others to stay (and theres 30 odd of the oceanic survivors that stay...) including Claire and Aaron.

To get a baby to stay on the island must have been something very good offered.; Tuesday, December 11, 2007 2:08:00 PM
Matt said...: Wow, wow, wow.

handetekin04 raised the same question that I had .... If these 6 get off, then what does that mean regarding the coffin???

I HAVE A THEORY! (LOL)...

I have said before that I believe Michael will NOT be on the island this season. I believe they'll have Michael participating in an off-island storyline.

And I think it's probably Michael in the coffin ... or maybe Walt.

Anyway ....

This Oceanic 6 spoiler is incredible.; Tuesday, December 11, 2007 2:17:00 PM
methosrocks said...: The only thing I'm absolutely sure about is that I need the rest of the series NOW!!! Everything else is up for grabs. LOL!

I love how this is getting all twisty! Only six get off the island and we have no idea how. Jack isn't happy about the "how", to judge from his guilt and shame in the FF. OTOH, it sounds as if we're getting FFs from the survivors in the first half of the season, so I'm guessing we'll see the development of "how" they came to be rescued. Probably the second eight episodes of S4 would focus on the ones who got left behind, hopefully with Sawyer up first since the boy is more than overdue for a centric. Am I the only one who feels this writers' strike sucks a WHOLE lot more today than it did yesterday?

This is going to be interesting. :); Tuesday, December 11, 2007 2:24:00 PM
Southernbeauty said...: This kind of sucks. It seems like the most interesting people will all be left behind (Locke, Sawyer, Juliet, etc.). Hopefully that means that some episodes will still take place on the island even after the rescue. If not, and everyone still on the island is left for dead, it seems like show will go down hill pretty fast. I don't really want to watch the Oceanic 6 settle back into the real world all the while knowing that they left so many friends behind.; Tuesday, December 11, 2007 2:42:00 PM
Jacob's chair said...: Yes, this is going to be really interesting!
Cool!
But, what about Claire? I was sure that she would be with them?; Tuesday, December 11, 2007 2:43:00 PM
Red Moose Studios said...: I just realised the 6 in the trailer was kept ambigious because it has many implications. One is the date the show starts, the second is the sixth dharma station, the third is the number of survivors, fourth is the number of seasons the show will have, fifth is the infamous "six degrees of separation" - the theory that anyone on the planet is connected to someone else through a maximum of six people (a theme Lost obviously uses).

Can we find a sixth meaning to complete the circle?

Oh yeah, there are six of the Numbers.

Not to mention all other meanings the number 6 has in various fields.; Tuesday, December 11, 2007 2:47:00 PM
Matt said...: Hmmm, just thought about this:

Big Brother Jack is certainly going to want to get back to the island to save Little Sis Claire.

Oh, and further about my Michael theory: He is not part of the Oceanic 6, because he assumes a new identity when he returns to the "real world". Possibly takes the name "John".

That's my theory for today, at least, LOL.; Tuesday, December 11, 2007 2:52:00 PM
TheLoneAssassin said...: I like your thinking Adam. These are the only seating details I was able to find:

Here's some plane seating details that I managed to find...

Jack: 23A
Rose: 23 D
Shannon: 8F
Boone: 8E
Locke: 24D
Charlie: 29C
Kate: 27H
Ana Lucia: 42F

I was hoping Kate's seat would correspond to one of them numbers but alas...

Also, Boone and Shannon's do, and they are long dead and gone.; Tuesday, December 11, 2007 3:00:00 PM
TheLoneAssassin said...: Regarding Claire...

Desmond indicated that because of what Charlie does in the looking glass, Claire and Aaron get into a helicopter and leave...

I think the most significant thing Charlie did down there was alert Penny. Claire will eventually get into that helicopter, but it'l be sent by Penny's people...further down the line.; Tuesday, December 11, 2007 3:06:00 PM
sawyerrules said...: OMG I'm socked now! What about the survivors left behind? Are they alive? I hope so cause I can imagine Lost without Sawyer and Locke.

Then the Kate's "him" I think is her son, that why she doesn't want to go back, she has to take care of him. Otherwise I don't think that Kate wouldn't want to go back to Sawyer.; Tuesday, December 11, 2007 3:11:00 PM
dontlistentoanythingIsay said...: Of the none Oceanic crew, I think Juliet will get off the island (or die trying). No way in hell is she aligning herself with Locke, considering her first and only meeting with him thus far is when he blew up her ride. Actually, knowing her she'll probably be working both sides to get her end goal.

I also think Ben might end up leaving, although its hard to think of a scenario where he goes and people like Claire stay.; Tuesday, December 11, 2007 3:17:00 PM
Jeff said...: Any money says that the person in the coffin is one of the Oceanic 6.; Tuesday, December 11, 2007 3:21:00 PM
Jeff said...: Either that or they're the last hope Jack had of getting back to the Island.; Tuesday, December 11, 2007 3:23:00 PM
Polly said...: It is not a question of Kate not wanting to go back, Jack has hardly come up with a foolproof plan. Let's get on a plane and hope it crashes.

She says that they were right to leave. This suggests to me that she was pregnant and she knows what happens to pregnant women.

We know the flashforward is not the end of the story. It is possible that others will also escape but I think it more likely that we will see Jack trying, and perhaps succeeding, to find a way back having eventually persuaded the one or more of the six survivors to help him. I'm thinking Hurley and the numbers will be the clue and that is why we saw Jack at the mental hospital.; Tuesday, December 11, 2007 3:28:00 PM
sawyerrules said...: Mmmm...the man in the coffin maybe Sayid. And I think that Jack'll go back to the island sooner or later, cause is clear that was a mistake to leave... But I think that the timeline in and out the island is different so... he goes back in future or past....and could change the events we saw before..."you are not supposed to do this"; Tuesday, December 11, 2007 3:38:00 PM
hulk said...: Well i think Jack,Kate and the others sooner or later will go back to the island.Damon and Carlton saied already many times that the main story will remain on the island.; Tuesday, December 11, 2007 3:48:00 PM
gokhan said...: So, also the spoiler that the first episode of season 4 will show Hurley and Sawyer in ff is false; if Sawyer is not out of the island, there can't be a ff of him, unless the producers are planning to show the ff "on" the island.; Tuesday, December 11, 2007 3:55:00 PM
DarkUFO said...: So, also the spoiler that the first episode of season 4 will show Hurley and Sawyer in ff is false; if Sawyer is not out of the island, there can't be a ff of him, unless the producers are planning to show the ff "on" the island

It's a flash-forward as previously posted but it appears that the person who saw the filming thought they saw Saywer it appears they mistook him for someone else.; Tuesday, December 11, 2007 3:59:00 PM
Southernbeauty said...: TheLoneAssassin said...
"Regarding Claire...

Desmond indicated that because of what Charlie does in the looking glass, Claire and Aaron get into a helicopter and leave...

I think the most significant thing Charlie did down there was alert Penny. Claire will eventually get into that helicopter, but it'l be sent by Penny's people...further down the line."

I am hoping that you are correct! Hopefully that whole plot line exsisted so that we would hold out hope that the first rescue (of the Oceanic 6) won't be the only rescue from the island.; Tuesday, December 11, 2007 4:02:00 PM
Maria said...: I think the person in the coffin is NOT one of Oceanic 6. People not from Flight 815 must get off the island (Juliet, Desmond) and I wold bet that one of them is in the coffin. Its too easy to assume that it is Michael in the coffin. But if there are only 6 known "survivors", then where are Michael and Walt and how is their existence explained.

The "alternate timeline/time travel" factor can play into this and change what we assume is the future.; Tuesday, December 11, 2007 4:04:00 PM
Chuck Norris said...: There is no time travel.; Tuesday, December 11, 2007 4:09:00 PM
bongzilla said...: This further strengthens my belief that Sawyer will ultimately sacrifice himself for Kate, their fetus and Jack. I think the giveaway was the direct reference to "A Tale of Two Cities".; Tuesday, December 11, 2007 4:14:00 PM
Southernbeauty said...: So whose looking forward to watching the episode were the Losties that are left behind realize that they were left behind? Not me! I guess we now know why Elizabeth Mitchell said that she was in tears after reading a recent script.

I am sure that this season will be emotional and exciting, but it also sounds like the eight episodes that we will get will be ending on a very depressing note.; Tuesday, December 11, 2007 4:20:00 PM
Veronique said...: Leaving Sawyer back on the island really puts all the epic romance into the Sawyer/Kate story once and for all. Not only do Jack and Kate end up in dreary circumstances, with him drug addicted and emotionally ruined, but once the return story kicks in, Kate will be returning to where Sawyer is. That is classic romance writing. As a Sawyer fan, and a Sawyer/Kate fan, these spoilers are very exciting. Before this, it was possible to imagine that the post-FF story would involve some kind of Kate-helps-Jack story, but now it looks like any help she gives him will only be part of the story that's going to keep romance fans on the edge of their seats- getting back to Sawyer. Can't wait!; Tuesday, December 11, 2007 4:31:00 PM
sawyerrules said...: Great Veronique!

I want to ask something; if Hurley,Sayid and Jin are supposed more in Sawyer's team...then how are they in the O-6?; Tuesday, December 11, 2007 4:36:00 PM
methosrocks said...: veronique I agree. This puts to rest any lingering suspicions I may have had about them going Jate anywhere along the line. It will be all about the angst of the Skate separation, with the guy who said "There's always somebody to go back for" wondering if anybody will ever come back for him and the others... and trying to survive on the island in the meantime in what looks to be increasingly dangerous conditions. I sense a shift in the story from Jack to Sawyer and Locke with this as well. There's only so much they can do with Jack off the island, so it will be more about Sawyer's struggle to become some kind of genuine leader to the Losties left behind. And THAT'S a story that will keep me tuning in, without a doubt. :); Tuesday, December 11, 2007 4:40:00 PM
Veronique said...: Exactly! The people left behind on the Island are going to be the primary focus now. The only purpose for Jack & Co now is to get back to the ones they abandoned. But meanwhile all the great characters (Locke, Sawyer, Desmond, Ben, Juliet) will be dealing with the massive amount of unsolved Island mysteries.

And hanging over all of it will be the romantic reunion of Han and Leia. Ooops, I mean Sawyer and Kate. By having Jack and Kate in the same story, not even their own special story, and not romantically together, they sucked all the possible "epic" out of that story. It's beautiful how this is being set up.; Tuesday, December 11, 2007 4:45:00 PM
katieb20022001 said...: Well, I think most of us knew when we saw the state Jack was in that something awful had happened so finding out that only six made it off the island isn't all that surprising. Can't wait to find out why only six people made it off. I think and have always thought that the "him" Kate refers to is someone powerful, someone powerful enough to keep Kate out of prison, but at the price of any kind of personal freedom and part of the reason why Jack and Kate appear to be meeting in secret.

Jack and Locke have always been the heart and soul of Lost and the separation of leadership into two groups and the two groups apparently becoming completely separated, one on the island and one back in the real world will make for some interesting back and forth.; Tuesday, December 11, 2007 4:48:00 PM
cogito said...: I think the 6 will be forced to leave the Island. This is not a choice list. Jack, Sayid, Hurley, even Jin who has a pregnant wife would not put themselves in "rescued to be first" list.

I think

either some event will physically seperate the 6 from other losties and they will be the ones who can leave the Island.

or newcomers will choose these people for some reason (I hope it's more intelligent and interesting than why Others took Jack, Kate, Sawyer!!) and they will accept it only to come back and rescue the other losties (just like Jack)

and of course they won't be able to come back to the Island for looong time in any case.

I don't see all losties minus 6 opting to stay on the Island.; Tuesday, December 11, 2007 4:49:00 PM
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Steve said...: Why are you all assuming that it's going to show you the O-6 leave the island this season? No way are they going to do that, they're going to string it out for as long as possible. I'm guessing that this season we're only going to see their future through flash forwards, we're not going to see how they get there.

Although I am quite suprised to learn that Claire is not on of the O-6. Perhaps Desmond's vision related more to the distant future, as opposed to when the O-6 leave.

I also can't see Hurley leaving people behind, unless of course he was made to. My personal theory is that Michael isn't in the O-6 because he never did leave the island, he is one of those that has remained there.

Just my $0.02.; Tuesday, December 11, 2007 5:06:00 PM
Southernbeauty said...: Methosrocks and Veronique--

I love the way that you guys are spinning this and I hope that you are right. As a Sawyer fan, my first reaction was very pessimistic. But you two are giving me hope!

I do agree though that if all of the most interesting characters are left behind on the island that the focus of the story must indeed stay on the island.; Tuesday, December 11, 2007 5:07:00 PM
Veronique said...: It's not spin, southernbeauty. It's classic romance. First they gave Sawyer and Kate a huge investment in one another, then they rip them apart. By keeping Jack and Kate together, non-romantically no less, they've robbed that story of any romantic potential. It's a genius move. And so Star Wars. Think of Luke , Leia, Chewbacca and gang going back for Han Solo. That's where we're at.; Tuesday, December 11, 2007 5:11:00 PM
DarkUFO said...: Why is everyone assuming that the get of the Island this year?

Remember we have had 3 seasons of Flashbacks and everyone was on the Island, we could get 3 more seasons where we see flashforwards and everyone is still on the Island.

There is nothing in these spoilers to suggest that they get off the island anytime soon.; Tuesday, December 11, 2007 5:15:00 PM
cogito said...: Why are you all assuming that it's going to show you the O-6 leave the island this season?

Personally I'm not assuming that. I think O6 will not leave the Island before season finale. And when they return to the Island in the final season, though it will seem years later for themselves, it will be just a few weeks later for those who stay on the Island.; Tuesday, December 11, 2007 5:17:00 PM
Tiarna said...: Veronique said...
And hanging over all of it will be the romantic reunion of Han and Leia. Ooops, I mean Sawyer and Kate. By having Jack and Kate in the same story, not even their own special story, and not romantically together, they sucked all the possible "epic" out of that story. It's beautiful how this is being set up.

...I'm not entirely dismissing this, but, we saw @ the end of S3, that Kate didn't want to go back to the Island..Hence not wanting to go back to Sawyer..?; Tuesday, December 11, 2007 5:19:00 PM
Maria said...: Thanks, Dark.

I have been wondering the same thing. All we may know is that these six get off - not why, when or how. At this point, those may be the larger and more important questions.

And as far as classic romance, etc., I truly hope that we do not spend 48 episodes with the love triangle hanging over our heads.; Tuesday, December 11, 2007 5:23:00 PM
shoelessrye said...: Desmond's vision was Claire getting on a helicopter - it didn't say it was a happy Claire, or that she was getting on a helicopter out of freewill or by choice.

The O6 get off, but why would Jack want to go back? He leaves some unfinished business behind as guilt is eating him up. More likely he leaves people behind. Does he sell out the other non-Jack side in order to get his freedom off the island?; Tuesday, December 11, 2007 5:29:00 PM
MNE said...: I agree with Cogito.

Since end of season 3 there were rumours that the Losties would separate in two sides...
My guess is that the condition of the rescue was not their choice.
Locke wanted to stay, Rose/Bernard wanted to stay, but what about Desmond, Sawyer, and above all Claire/Aaron? The fact that Kate teams up with Jack wouldn't be a reason for Sawyer not wanting to leave the island.
No way Jack, Sayid, Hurley or Jin would take Claire and Aaron's place in a rescue plane/boat. Unless they left first in a helicopter (like Desmond saw).
And the person in the coffin could still be Ben, if they took him by force. Juliet might have left the island as well.
Many great information around here today...
Thanks to DarkUFO, season 4 has already started!; Tuesday, December 11, 2007 5:29:00 PM
Veronique said...: Kate not wanting to go back to the island can have a lot of reasons. A baby being the most likely one. But we also don't know that she really doesn't want to go back. She was very conflicted in that scene.

I think there are indications that the rescue happens fairly soon. How long can they drag out FFs? It's not the same as the FBs. There are only six of these people, plus Jin is going to die soon. And how much time does anyone want to spend watching Jack guzzle whiskey and cry about his mistakes? They have to move on from that pretty quickly.; Tuesday, December 11, 2007 5:31:00 PM
Southernbeauty said...: DarkUFO said...
"Why is everyone assuming that the get of the Island this year?"

Is there more to this that you know about that you aren't yet able to share with us?; Tuesday, December 11, 2007 5:32:00 PM
dontlistentoanythingIsay said...: I'd be genuinely surprised if anyone got off the island before the end of season 5. It definitly isn't happening in season 4 in any case. As for dragging FFs out, all the characters will probably only have 1 per season given the shortened format(Jack might get 2). As for the FFs getting repetitive and dragged out...um, how many FBs of Jack's daddy issues did we get? How many of Kate "running?" How many of Sayid torturing? How many korean soap operas?; Tuesday, December 11, 2007 5:39:00 PM
Tiarna said...: I just think that if Kate & Sawyer are the great love story or whatever..That she would be slightly more cut up about him been left behind & make every effort to get back to him (i.e Kate going back for Jack, TMFT).
I had thought of the baby scenario, but I'm sure @ some point Kate will end up going back to the Island with Jack, so where does a baby fit in there..; Tuesday, December 11, 2007 5:42:00 PM
Bonasi said...: I really can't see Sayid as the person in the coffin. For one, I have an extremely difficult time seeing Sayid as doing something to make himself so hated that the only one who would attend his funeral would be Jack, who specified that he did not come as a friend. For another, the Oceanic Six are media celebrities, yes? I can't see any of them dying and getting no attention the way the person in the coffin did. For a last, Sayid doesn't have a teenage son.; Tuesday, December 11, 2007 5:44:00 PM
Veronique said...: I just think that if Kate & Sawyer are the great love story or whatever..That she would be slightly more cut up about him been left behind & make every effort to get back to him (i.e Kate going back for Jack, TMFT).

We haven't seen the episodes yet! How can you jump to those conclusions? There's so much story to fill in there.; Tuesday, December 11, 2007 5:52:00 PM
bongzilla said...: Something seems off here. Specifically, Sun, Jin and Sayid being half of the six. I'm betting one is a traitor.

My guess?

Sayid. The most loyal guy always turns out to be the snitch. There's something in his C.I.A. connection to Kate's father and to Kelvin Inman. I'm betting Sayid has been in on MUCH more than he's been letting on.

Sun and Jin may know more than they are saying as well, with their connection to Mr. Paik, who along with Charles Widmore seems to be at the top of the LOST food chain.; Tuesday, December 11, 2007 5:52:00 PM
dontlistentoanythingIsay said...: Kristin updated her spoiler saying that Sun and Jin wouldn't be playing for either team (Locke or Jacks), calling it suspicious. Something shocking is supposed to be going down in their ep sooo...; Tuesday, December 11, 2007 5:57:00 PM
Southernbeauty said...: Thanks for the reply, Dark. I'll be on pins and needles waiting to hear the rest!; Tuesday, December 11, 2007 5:57:00 PM
Iceman815 said...: Wow, Thanks Dark!

This is quite possibly the most exciting season 4 spoiler yet.

Dark, how soon can you post that other information that you were talking about?; Tuesday, December 11, 2007 6:00:00 PM
breakaleg said...: Well i think they'll do the same they did with Jate. Separate them. The difference is that Kate clearly dosn't want to go back. I'm really looking forward Jate this season, though i respect Skater's opinions. Funny how we are strongly convicted about our ships, which means we love our show! Cheers!

Oh and what about Claire? Maybe if she doesn't get off the island, Charlie is still alive? "I was here moments ago" =o; Tuesday, December 11, 2007 6:16:00 PM
Owen Thomas said...: This lends so much credence to my theory of how this season's high level arc will play out. Well, possibly, anyway.

I think we'll see another shift in storytelling time at the end of this season. And that will be bringing the present (now in 2004 on the island) to our present (which will be 2010 on the show, I hope).

I'm going to guess that we will see rescue this season -- or at least we'll discover that our "six" were removed not by choice. They accept their fates, and at least for Kate, that's all well and good.

Anyway, I think Jack is going to rally the six to return to the island to save their friends.

I think we'll see the Six step onto the island as we see, in 2004, the Six step off the island (if you follow).

That sets up two seasons of discovering what's happened to everyone left behind. And to finish whatever it is they started.

And it's a return to the original storytelling mode -- present action on island with flashbacks telling bigger stories.; Tuesday, December 11, 2007 6:23:00 PM
Tiarna said...: Veronique said...
We haven't seen the episodes yet! How can you jump to those conclusions? There's so much story to fill in there.

..Em, I never said they were conclusions, I was merely responding to the posts about the "K/S reunion", I didn't think Kate seemed overly interested in going back to Sawyer or the island in general, their just my thoughts, I don't claim to have any idea of where Lost is going, I'm just going by what I see on screen, I could & probably will be way off.
And I agree with you, there is a lot of the story we haven't seen, It will be interesting to see what her reasons are for not wanting to return..; Tuesday, December 11, 2007 6:25:00 PM
Veronique said...: She may very much want to return. Maybe she just thinks she can't. Maybe she's trying to return but doesn't want Jack involved, since he's addicted and sick. We don't know that Kate doesn't want to return at all. She was crying when she said that. I think it's always important not to take these scenes literally. There's always a lot more going on than just the flat words being spoken.; Tuesday, December 11, 2007 6:29:00 PM
Adam said...: Dark:There is nothing in these spoilers to suggest that they get off the island anytime soon.

What about the idea that Jin and Sun get rescued? If Sun stays any longer she is 'suppose' to die, unless Juliets lying and the baby is Jae Lee's. If the baby was born, giving them 6 months or so, you would expect the rescue number to include the baby, even if it wasnt on the flight. Thats what makes me believe it happens soon.. maybe not soon on the show, but in real time for the survivors, pretty soon. Either she is still pregnant when she leaves, or someone stole her baby lol. And that doesnt make the timeline from now very much farther to go.; Tuesday, December 11, 2007 6:35:00 PM
methosrocks said...: Something seems off here. Specifically, Sun, Jin and Sayid being half of the six. I'm betting one is a traitor. - bongzilla

I've been thinking along those lines myself, with Jack and Hurley being my prime candidates. EM said she cried when she read the script for ep. 8 because of something she learned about someone. IMO, finding out Jack or Hurley betrayed the group would fit the bill. And of course, one of those two is a self-destructive drug addict trying to undo what was done and the other is in an asylum. That would fit if it had been either of them.; Tuesday, December 11, 2007 6:44:00 PM
amelia said...: I almost started crying when I didn't see Sawyers pic in the Oceanic 6!!! Goodness gracious, what's to become of him??????; Tuesday, December 11, 2007 6:53:00 PM
bongzilla said...: Hurley being a traitor would be the biggest shock the show could possibly offer. I don't see it, but I can't discount it as a possibility either.

It's tough dreaming up a scenario where he'd have had motivation to betray the castaways.

We already know Sayid is compromised, as the C.I.A./U.S. military turned him into something he was not, a torturer.

We know Jin has been compromised by Mr. Paik.

And Sun, well, she was willing to resort to murder to silence Jin's mother. She could be an evil dragon lady at heart, doing the bidding of her father.; Tuesday, December 11, 2007 6:54:00 PM
Anna1220 said...: What if, as much as I HATE to even think it, Sawyer and/or the others "left behind" on the island are dead? What if Jack realizes that if they go back they can change whatever horrible thing happened, but Kate doesn't believe in the time-travel/time-shift component and thinks its pointless to try and go back because it won't change anything.; Tuesday, December 11, 2007 7:05:00 PM
William said...: Acutally, I think Dark is being very vague with his comments on here. I think we will see people leave the island, but like others have said, I think they will be forced. People want to be rescued, but people don't want to be forced. Especially if there is something that emotionally is keeping them there.

So I think we will see it, but it just won't be a "rescue". It will be forceful removal.; Tuesday, December 11, 2007 7:11:00 PM
AmberSumiko said...: Damn, and I thought that the '6' was about the premiere date :|

No Sawyer huh.. so the guy Kate had to get home to is not him obviously. hmmmmmmm

and of course Locke wouldn't leave :); Tuesday, December 11, 2007 7:13:00 PM
katieb20022001 said...: We already know Sayid is compromised, as the C.I.A./U.S. military turned him into something he was not, a torturer.

We know Jin has been compromised by Mr. Paik.

And Sun, well, she was willing to resort to murder to silence Jin's mother. She could be an evil dragon lady at heart, doing the bidding of her father.

Exactly, as a matter of fact we've seen that most of the Losties can be bought, that they all have a price tag or as Ben said, an exploitable weakness, yet we've seen that Jack doesn't seem to....yet. He chose to end his father's medical career over keeping silent, he chose sacrificing his own life for the lives of Kate and Sawyer, when taken to see Kate, shackled and held hostage, the one thing that should've stopped Jack from getting on that sub, he chose possible rescue for everyone over the woman he loves and when the lives of his three friends were his to save, he allowed them to die in order to secure rescue for the rest. Jack has shown that he chooses to do "the right thing" over and over, that what should be his weakness never is, so the idea that Jack is a traitor would be a hard sell, but what would convince Jack to leave his friends behind? What would convince him that leaving them is the right thing to do?

It's hard to imagine Sayid, Kate, Hurley, Sun and Jin willingly leaving them behind either so is there really a traitor or have they just been lied to? Like someone else mentioned, do they believe eveyone else is dead?; Tuesday, December 11, 2007 7:18:00 PM
Veronique said...: Actually, during his captivity, we didn't see Jack choose "possible rescue for everyone over the woman he loves". We saw him choose selective rescue for himself and Juliet, with the unsubstantiated wishful hope that maybe someday possibly he'd be able to find a way to get the rest of them rescued. We actually do have an example of Jack acting pragmatically in his own self interest. That was the last thing from a clear cut case of "doing the right thing" as it's possible to imagine. A morally ambiguous situation that Jack only escaped the consequences of through acts beyond his control.

We also know that in the future Jack is voluntarily lying and taking gifts from these people who left his friends on the island. We're always hearing how Jack is "flawed", but the flaws are always cosmetic. It looks like that's about to end, and we're going to see some true flaws evidenced. Finally.; Tuesday, December 11, 2007 7:27:00 PM
methosrocks said...: Exactly, as a matter of fact we've seen that most of the Losties can be bought, that they all have a price tag or as Ben said, an exploitable weakness, yet we've seen that Jack doesn't seem to....yet. ....when taken to see Kate, shackled and held hostage, the one thing that should've stopped Jack from getting on that sub, he chose possible rescue for everyone over the woman he loves ...- katieb

What I saw is that Jack REALLY wanted to go home. The idea that he would bring back help is laughable to me since he was going to be leaving on a submarine. Seriously, what was he going to do? Memorize landmarks all the way home. That whole notion taht he was doing it to bring back help was a rationalization he needed to sell HIMSELF so he could justify his getting on the sub and leaving everyone else behind.

As for not having seen any of Jack's flaws yet, there's the whole can't let things go, stalked his ex-wife and attacked his father in a public place thing. And of course the whole driving around L.A. drunk out of his mind and stealing pills from the hospital part... not to mention wanting to operate when his hands are shaking so badly he can barely hold a chart, much less a scalpel. I think we've seen plenty of flaws,actually.; Tuesday, December 11, 2007 7:39:00 PM
Veronique said...: When you look at it, that scene where Jack left Kate in handcuffs might have been foreshadowing about just how easily Jack would be able to sell out others to get himself off the island.

Also there have been so many remarks about "going back for someone" and Kate got burned badly when she tried to "go back" for Jack. Instead of being treated like a hero, she was treated like an idiot who messed up the whole escape plan.

I think a lot of things we saw last season will play into this rescue and return story.; Tuesday, December 11, 2007 7:45:00 PM
Andressa said...: Veronique,
Why you are always so bitter and agressive? You change your opinions to fit with your theory. That´s ok, everybody does that sometimes, but please... I can remember all of your posts here in the past few months, saying that Kate was happy in the FF, that she was so going back to Sawyer, thet the only thing she was feeling was disgust, that going back to the Island was just a crazy idea that a screwed!Jack was obesessive about it...
Tell me about hypocrisy...; Tuesday, December 11, 2007 7:54:00 PM
katieb20022001 said...: Actually, during his captivity, we didn't see Jack choose "possible rescue for everyone over the woman he loves". We saw him choose selective rescue for himself and Juliet, with the unsubstantiated wishful hope that maybe someday possibly he'd be able to find a way to get the rest of them rescued. We actually do have an example of Jack acting pragmatically in his own self interest. That was the last thing from a clear cut case of "doing the right thing" as it's possible to imagine. A morally ambiguous situation that Jack only escaped the consequences of through acts beyond his control.

When you look at it, that scene where Jack left Kate in handcuffs might have been foreshadowing about just how easily Jack would be able to sell out others to get himself off the island.

That would be your interpretation of what happened in Season 3, one that I don't agree with or care to debate with you. The idea that Jack was seeking rescue just for himself is absurd to me and to anyone who has been paying attention to Jack and what motivates him and I'm not going to engage in this so you can turn this into another Jack bash fest. So let's agree to disagree and move on and spare everyone the agony.; Tuesday, December 11, 2007 7:55:00 PM
Veronique said...: I can remember all of your posts here in the past few months, saying that Kate was happy in the FF, that she was so going back to Sawyer, thet the only thing she was feeling was disgust, that going back to the Island was just a crazy idea that a screwed!Jack was obesessive about it...

Excuse me, but you're accusing me of something without any proof. I never said any of those things. I said she looked amazing and wasn't being abused. I never ever said she was going back to Sawyer because I never made that assumption. And I did say she felt disgust, because being grabbed and breathed on by a drunken drug addict is disgusting. Please don't try and discredit someone's opinions with lies.

And katie, there's no need to get angry and defensive. I've always maintained that Jack's behavior has been as deeply ambiguous as the rest of them.I've never believed he was the glowing hero (with the painted on "flaws" of course). I think these new spoilers point to just how flawed Jack really is. I give him credit for feeling guilty over it, but pardon me for thinking he deserves to feel guilty.

You're right. Let's not subject everyone to endless whining because another fan does not share your sterling opinion of a fictional character. Just allow others their freedom of speech. So, so simple.; Tuesday, December 11, 2007 8:00:00 PM
DarkUFO said...: ******************************

Please people lets keep things civil in here.

******************************; Tuesday, December 11, 2007 8:02:00 PM
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Saska said...: I agree that the Oceanic 6 get off the island by the end of this season (wishfully thinking we will get the full sixteen episodes) or fairly soon into the fifth season. In one of the mobisodes, Juliet told Jack that if Sun's still on the island in a month, she and her baby will die. That means she had to get off the island in a matter of weeks, not months. She has a baby in the future because we saw Jin buying a big stuffed bear in one of the spoilers.

Juicy juicy spoiler. Thanks, Dark.; Tuesday, December 11, 2007 8:10:00 PM
Lena said...: Starting with all this "Jack is a mole\traitor" thingie all over again.
Oh, well...; Tuesday, December 11, 2007 8:11:00 PM
Veronique said...: I don't think Jack is a mole or traitor. They all lie and take presents from the bad guys, not just Jack. And Jack at least has the decency to feel bad about it,even if it is after the fact.

One thing that has changed is my attitude about the rescue story. Now that I know who is being left behind, I'm totally psyched to see them go back. Especially Leia/Kate.; Tuesday, December 11, 2007 8:16:00 PM
dracke said...: That would be your interpretation of what happened in Season 3, one that I don't agree with or care to debate with you. The idea that Jack was seeking rescue just for himself is absurd to me and to anyone who has been paying attention to Jack and what motivates him and I'm not going to engage in this so you can turn this into another Jack bash fest. So let's agree to disagree and move on and spare everyone the agony.

word!

and wow.this spoiler is very cool!finally something major! can't wait for season4; Tuesday, December 11, 2007 8:23:00 PM
Jake C. said...: @sawyerrules:
No way Kate meant her son with "him", because she didn't really say it in a tone you would talk about your kid in... and besides, she said it so that we know she's hiding from that person what she's doing out... why would she need to hide from her little kid that she's out to meet somebody?

And could now somebody PLEASE tell me in which trailer the "6" appeared?; Tuesday, December 11, 2007 8:24:00 PM
NJL said...: "Any money says that the person in the coffin is one of the Oceanic 6."

I will take that bet, my main reason that this is not one of the 6 is because they said they were semi-famous. Just that fact alone would draw at lease one person other than Jack to the funeral.; Tuesday, December 11, 2007 8:26:00 PM
hulk said...: jake c.:i don't think that Kate was hiding from someone.Anyway i think that "he" from the ff is her child.; Tuesday, December 11, 2007 8:35:00 PM
Andressa said...: Excuse me, but you're accusing me of something without any proof. I never said any of those things.

Oh, really! So lets see...
Arte you saying you never said that...

"The ultimate preconception of course is that there is going to be a "return". Based on what exactly? The ravings of a crazy drunk who also thought his dead father was available upstairs for consultation and who spends his free time flying around hoping that planeloads of innocent people will all crash so he can find the secret portal that doesn't exist on any of his maps. I'm sure we're misinterpreting virtually every spoiler clue that's been available. They are just adding up to something that feels really odd to me at the moment.
"

"Why does everyone assume that Jack was right when he said they have to go back? He was a raging, raving drug addict who kept referring to his dead father as if he were alive. It's funny that no one seems to give Kate any credit that maybe she is the one who is right. Also, we don't have enough evidence yet to connect Jack's insanity to anything that has happened yet in the story. It may have little or nothing to do with what we saw in the finale. I always count on this show to surprise me, and there's nothing surprising about "fixer Jack needs to go back and be a more perfect hero". I think it's going to be a lot more creative and surprising than that. I wouldn't even be interested in this show if the character or story arcs were that predictable. "

"The leader is supposed to bear the responsibility for decisions that go awry. Otherwise, he's not a leader, just a domineering person. But in the FF, Jack is not responding to whatever went wrong in a courageous manner. He's behaving disgracefully, abusing drugs and alcohol, stealing drugs from a hospital, trying to bully the staff into allowing him to operate in exactly the state he condemned his father for doing, and driving drunk on the highway in what is obviously an habitual thing for him. There's nothing noble about what Jack is doing, whatever drove him to it.
"

"We don't actually have any idea what has destroyed Jack in the flash forward. We assume it had something to do with the way they got off the island, because of the way scenes were juxtaposed in that one episode. But that is probably a false assumption, especially since it seems to have been hand fed to us. I'd say it's much more likely that Jack's self destruction began as a result of events yet to be revealed. "

"Jack was trying to go back to the island alone, or die trying. I think he's stalking Kate, as is his way with women, because he feels an emotional connection to her, and he's very lonely with whatever is tormenting him. I think once he finds her at this trial, he starts the pattern of calling her and begging her to meet with him. But this drive to return still seems to me like it's going to be his thing, no one else's. Kate seems to have established an actual life of her own, all details yet to be revealed. I've never beleived she's suffering in this new life. All the suffering seems to have fallen on Jack. So the question is whether he has become mentally unstable or whether he knows something no one else does."

I can find more if these arent enough.
I´m not a liar or a hypocritical; Tuesday, December 11, 2007 8:35:00 PM
1miletogo said...: I think the 6 will leave the island by episode 8, that would explain Hurley's short hair. He leaves the island gets a haircut goes back to santa rosa.

It would be really interesting if season 5 (or 2nd half of season 4) started years after the 6 leave the island and then see what happened during that time on the island. It would be like meeting some of the characters again for the first time.; Tuesday, December 11, 2007 8:39:00 PM
Veronique said...: Wow! You must really have a fixation on me! I'm impressed. And a little creeped out.

I see from there I never once said she was going home to Sawyer. I did say she looked like she was doing well, and you know what? She does. I also said Jack was depraved in the ff, which is incontestable, considering his drug stealing and drunk driving.

Like I said - since hearing these spoilers my perspective has changed. Knowing that they left so many behind, including Clare, Aaron, Sawyer, etc., changes things. They DO need to go back. And knowing that Leia/Kate will be returning to her Han/Sawyer delights me. It takes all the romantic energy out of the Jate storyline and plants it entirely into the Skate storyline. I love it! So sue me.; Tuesday, December 11, 2007 8:45:00 PM
Jonathan said...: Dear Dark's Source:

Please let the information be released.

Thanks.

Jon :); Tuesday, December 11, 2007 8:50:00 PM
Jonathan said...: Dear Dark's Source:

Please let the information be released.

Thanks.

Jon :); Tuesday, December 11, 2007 8:50:00 PM
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hulk said...: veronique:"Like I said - since hearing these spoilers my perspective has changed. Knowing that they left so many behind, including Clare, Aaron, Sawyer, etc., changes things. They DO need to go back. And knowing that Leia/Kate will be returning to her Han/Sawyer delights me. It takes all the romantic energy out of the Jate storyline and plants it entirely into the Skate storyline. I love it! So sue me."
I completely agree with you!!!!; Tuesday, December 11, 2007 8:58:00 PM
GregDean said...: Southern Beauty said: This kind of sucks. It seems like the most interesting people will all be left behind (Locke, Sawyer, Juliet, etc.). Hopefully that means that some episodes will still take place on the island even after the rescue.

Well, considering that the focus of the show is what's going on the Island, not the "real world", then the people you think are the most "interesting" would get more of the focus, not less, since the "Oceanic Six" wouldn't be on the Island anymore to take up that airtime. Look at what happened to Michael's airtime when he "left the Island", heh. If season five is the period during which the Oceanic Six are off the Island, those six characters might not even be main cast members anymore (at least not for that season). We really don't know.

About Claire not being one of the Oceanic Six... Desmond just saw her getting on a helicopter with Aaron and it leaving the Island. Maybe it got blown up 5 miles off the coast, maybe she was just being taken to Hydra Island, and thrown in a cage or Room 23 ? Just leaving the main Island doesn't mean you make it home.

About Sun's pregnancy meaning she must leave the Island in season 4, Juliet says she has two months left, but in "show time", two months basically equals two seasons. So, Juliet said that at the end of season 3, that means Sun has until the end of season *five* to leave the Island. In other words, by May, 2009 in our time. And that's presuming the new 16 episode seasons will still equal a month (which they probably won't). (I recognize that the show may jump ahead in time at some point, but that would probably be after the "Oceanic Six" leave the Island, so that doesn't really apply to this argument).; Tuesday, December 11, 2007 9:00:00 PM
katieb20022001 said...: I think the 6 will leave the island by episode 8, that would explain Hurley's short hair. He leaves the island gets a haircut goes back to santa rosa.

I'm not sure what to make of Jorge's short hair, but we ran across a picture of MF that was taken over the weekend and his hair is burred back down to the scalp. Here's the link:

http://vegas.napkinnights.com/pics/view_image.php?id=430094

The picture of JH in the media section with his fish looks like his hair is shorter too.

Does it mean anything other than the actors know the writer's strike has ended the season and they won't have to shoot anymore Lost until August or perhaps that we're craving a Lost fix so bad we're reading too much into haircuts now? Beats me.; Tuesday, December 11, 2007 9:07:00 PM
dan said...: Great Spoiler Dark.

I'd love to see the scene where the six are headed home and given their cover story to conceal the events on the island and the island itself. If they knew there were other 815's being left behind, why go with the story? Why capitulate? I can't see money and a "golden ticket" being enough for Hurley (who is already wildly rich) or Jack.

Maybe they all realized they would sound crazy insane talking about a smoke monster, sonic fences, underground & underwater laboratories, 4-toed statue ruins, etc. and took the money with some promise from their recuers that the others left behind would be rescued as well.

Anyone else wish to take a stab at why?; Tuesday, December 11, 2007 9:17:00 PM
Zoriah said...: Why wouldn't Kate want to go back:
Maybe Kate thinks everyone on the island (especially Sawyer) is likely dead. Maybe she doesn't want to risk her son (whom I believe is the 'he' since Jack knows who he is without explanation.) Maybe Kate thinks the idea of flying over the crash area in the hopes of crashing with a planeload of people is ludicrous.

I can readily believe that Kate wouldn't want a drugged out, drunken, suicidal and raving Jack near her child. He ended up screaming at her, so it was a good choice to meet him somewhere else. In any case, it's clear he was phone stalking her and she didn't want anything to do with him initially. Also Sarah was his emergency contact. All indicate to me that Kate and Jack are not destined to be together in the future.

I think these spoilers help put Jack's FF in perspective. He has good reason to feel regret and guilt. He and the other O6 took a settlement and are lying about what happened on the island and how many of them there were. 30+ Oceanic survivors must have died or been left behind. That's a lot don't you think? What happened to Claire and Aaron for example.

I don't think Jack's team would only have five other people in it. If anything Locke's team would have less supporters. So....it's logical to assume that events (possibly beyond the Losties control) forced such a limited rescue.

My money is on Sun and Jin cutting a deal to get off the island. I think it will be along the lines of Micheal's betrayal. They don't have to be evil, just desperate to get off the island and save Sun and their baby at any cost.; Tuesday, December 11, 2007 9:17:00 PM
katieb20022001 said...: If they knew there were other 815's being left behind, why go with the story? Why capitulate? I can't see money and a "golden ticket" being enough for Hurley (who is already wildly rich) or Jack.

Why indeed? I think that is the big question here. Were they threatened in some way? Perhaps whoever plucked these 6 off the island are controlling them in some way, are forcing them to lie and are keeping them from communicating with each other.

The big question would be how and why? Kate is pretty easy. Freedom in exchange for silence, but the rest of them aren't as easily motivated.; Tuesday, December 11, 2007 9:36:00 PM
Southernbeauty said...: ^Sun and Jin have an obvious motive-the baby and Sun's safety. Jack was ready to leave once before. Maybe news of Charlie's death puts Hurley over the edge and motivates him to leave at any cost.; Tuesday, December 11, 2007 9:41:00 PM
dan said...: From the other spoilers I have read, it seems Hurley back in SRMH. Perhaps he couldn't keep his mouth shut after taking the deal?; Tuesday, December 11, 2007 9:51:00 PM
pendo said...: So Claire and Aaron don't get off the island? Charlie would be quite annoyed if he knew he died for nothing.

Sawyer is not among the six? I hope there are still island storylines involving Sawyer, Claire, Locke, etc once the 6 are off the island. I hope they don't kill the rest of the losties off.; Tuesday, December 11, 2007 10:12:00 PM
Lena said...: What an interesting discussion! So much to think of.
My guess is that The Oceanic 6 - are claimed to be the only ones who servived the crash. They claime that all the rest are dead. That's the lie, Jack was talking about.
Why on earth would these 6 agree to go along with this terrible lie? For all I know, Sayid was willing to sacrifice his life to get everybody off the island. Jack was fraking psycho to let three people die just to get ALL OF THEM (that's what he said) ALL OF THEM (!!!) off the island. So, what's going on?; Tuesday, December 11, 2007 10:21:00 PM
Bonasi said...: If Sayid turns out to be a traitor, I'll eat my hat. The flashback format of Lost just gives us far too much insight into all of the characters for the writers to pull something that far out of left field. When the series began, Sayid was desperate to get off the Island, but by the third season finale, you had him willing to die if it meant everyone else getting rescued. (Sayid was initially willing to be the one to go down to Looking Glass Station, which he believed was flooded.) So there's no way Sayid would turn traitor to save himself. It's not who he is.

Ditto for Hurley. He's far to concerned with the good of the group. I could see him cutting a deal - I could even see him cutting a deal that he might not like - but he would only do so if he thought it was what was best for everyone (or the best option available), not because he'd turned traitor.

Personally, I think that the Six get off at the expense of the rest not do to there being a traitor, but something like what I mentioned above with Hurley. A decision made, with not all pertinant information available, that has terrible consequences afterwards. "Through the Looking Glass" would point to Jack as the one who made the decision, but I don't doubt that we only have a tenth of the story.

Also, bongzilla, Sun could be an "evil dragon lady"? Um...stereotyping, much?; Tuesday, December 11, 2007 10:30:00 PM
sawyerrules said...: To jake c : In the FF Kate said that "him" could wonder were she was, a 3 years old baby could be worried if his mother is out by late night.

Now, Kate didn't want to go back cause she has a baby and has to take care of him, but if Sawyer was left behind how could Kate don't try to go back to him? I think she didn't trust Jack,he made things wrong, he is not an hero now, he is drunked and drugged and she'd think he isn't capable to go back, we know the island is not easy to find.

Something more, I can't imagine all that people left behind dying, easy: how could viewers swallow with Aaron, Claire, Sawyer and Locke deaths?

The thing is: why were they left behind? Was their choice? Were they left behind by the force?

And if the sixth were selected, why? Are they selected by someone outthere? Maybe Widmore or/and Mr Paik. Are the sixth moles from the beginning?

OMG I'm so excited with this spoiler is soooooo GREAT...Thanks a lot to Dark and the team.; Tuesday, December 11, 2007 10:41:00 PM
dan said...: it is interesting to speculate that the O6 were *selected*, because this would mean that the "rescuers" had advance knowledge about who they were going to encounter on the island.

I'm thinking almost something like the dossier that Mikhail compiled for Ben. This would allow the new people to know what strings to pull.; Tuesday, December 11, 2007 10:49:00 PM
MNE said...: dan said: "Maybe they all realized they would sound crazy insane talking about a smoke monster, sonic fences, underground & underwater laboratories, 4-toed statue ruins, etc. and took the money with some promise from their recuers that the others left behind would be rescued as well.
In the FF it didn't seem like Jack was exactly loaded with money... I would say the contrary. He couldn't have spent everything on meds. Unless he took his part in flying tickets... a lot of them! :)
The decision about the rescue was collective.
They were even hiding Naomi with her sat phone from Jack, because it was their best chance to escape.
If it's the case to have a traitor, not for a second I would imagine it to be Sayid. I would think more about Sun.
Good line you remembered there lena - ALL OF THEM. ALL OF THEM. Something went wrong. As usual...; Tuesday, December 11, 2007 10:52:00 PM
bongzilla said...: Let me guess, you're a lawyer bonasi?; Tuesday, December 11, 2007 10:52:00 PM
bongzilla said...: What if the island is a very elaborate rat maze? DHARMA experiments on real people? No, no, no one has ever thought of that before!

What if the Oceanic Six are the ones who would not or could not be allowed to stay? What if the rest of them WANTED to remain on the island -- chose to remain there.

Only when Jack gets back does he come to the conclusion that the other castaways who stayed behind were duped and piece together the larger picture, thus his and only his urgent imperative to go back?

Such a scenario would allow for a control agent, a mole or traitor, to be in their midst. Sayid seems like a good candidate there.

Anyway, I'm just throwing ideas out there. I always chuckle when people get all snippy about it. Lighten up, Francis. Ideas, discussion, offseason, it's fun. I sometimes forget that many people lack imagination and humor.; Tuesday, December 11, 2007 11:00:00 PM
hatchling23 said...: It is interesting that Jack wants so desperatly to get back to the island after he's left it.

Since Kate is off the island with him, what would create such a strong motivation to return?

It could be that Claire and Aaron are still there or that he wants to go back for Juliette, but I don't think those are the reasons.

I think it is because Jack has an obsession to "Fix Things". He will
find out some secret of the island and it will be too late to go back, like once he's on board the freighter and headed home.

That's why he is paid off to keep a secret.; Tuesday, December 11, 2007 11:03:00 PM
Golden said...: Not wanting to throw a spanner in here, but DarkUFO could you confirm that this is the Oceanic 6 or just rumoured based on the spoilers.

Because when I read the spoilers, they seem to show Sun dies. Jin is in a flashback with no Sun... EM says 'When I read the script [of ep 7] I saw something I didn't want to know' and in another interview 'We see that in the future some survivors are dead'. EM is connected with the Sun/baby storyline and could find it hard to take if Sun dies.

So where is the evidence that Sun is alive?? Am I missing something?; Tuesday, December 11, 2007 11:17:00 PM
MNE said...: bongzilla said: I sometimes forget that many people lack imagination and humor. Indeed.
But if I was Dharma, the first one I would have sent far away from my experiment would be screaming Claire.
Now, seriously, I also think Jack got the big picture in the FF. Whatever the big picture is.
But I just hope the mole is not Sayid.
Desmond seems a good suspect. If Naomi knew him, and she didn't come in Penny's behalf, what's the deal?; Tuesday, December 11, 2007 11:19:00 PM
DarkUFO said...: Not wanting to throw a spanner in here, but DarkUFO could you confirm that this is the Oceanic 6 or just rumoured based on the spoilers.

Because when I read the spoilers, they seem to show Sun dies. Jin is in a flashback with no Sun... EM says 'When I read the script [of ep 7] I saw something I didn't want to know' and in another interview 'We see that in the future some survivors are dead'. EM is connected with the Sun/baby storyline and could find it hard to take if Sun dies.

So where is the evidence that Sun is alive?? Am I missing something?

Golden: Yes this is the 6 and no it's not a rumour but a confirmed spoiler.

Being a member of the Oceanic 6 does not make them indestructible, they can die in flashforwards. Although I have no information on any deaths and the fact that Sun is at a funeral does not mean that it has to be Sun's. It could be her father.; Tuesday, December 11, 2007 11:27:00 PM
1miletogo said...: Could it be that people that are remaining on the island are ones that have been healed - The "rescuers" could be doing tests on them - I mean Rose - cancer, Locke - can walk, Sawyer - survived his wound, claire had aaron...

It sounds like there will be alot of confrontations in the upcoming season, I'm interested from what we have heard that any people are released from the island.

I think there will be some trickery to make the losties believe they are all leaving the island.; Wednesday, December 12, 2007 12:02:00 AM
Bonasi said...: bongzilla,

Lawyer? No, I'm studying to be a computer engineer.; Wednesday, December 12, 2007 12:04:00 AM
Pudsack said...: Wow! From here I'm not reading anymore spoilers, there's gonna be no shock in season 4 otherwise!

As for the revelation...well... So many questions. I reckon that as Ben tries to save the island from the newcomers, he has to reveal the secrets of the island to the Losties and over time, that's what will make them choose to stay. As for Claire and Aaron, maybe something will happen to Aaron if they leave the island because he was born on the island? And I'm also puzzled about how Penny is going to fit into this. I'm guessing Penny will get to island and her and Desmond will choose to stay because maybe they are safe from her father there?

I wonder if in season 6, we won't have flashforwards and flashbacks, and just have on island and off island scenes set at the same time with Jack trying to get back to the island.; Wednesday, December 12, 2007 12:09:00 AM
crzy_lostfan said...: Well, that hasn't made my day much better. I dont really like the idea of only 6 get off the island (so far) ESPECIALLY when my two favorite characters, Juliet and Sawyer) might not get off the island :( I dont mind Jack, or Hurley, but if Sawyer or Juliet dont get off, that'll suck!

My theory, well (somewhat of a theory) is that Jack wants to get back to get the rest of the people, aka Claire, Sawyer, Juliet, ROsseau, etc. and eventually in the series finale they'll all get back., Dont know how...but somehow they will. lol; Wednesday, December 12, 2007 12:15:00 AM
Saska said...: @gregdean -
About Sun's pregnancy meaning she must leave the Island in season 4, Juliet says she has two months left, but in "show time", two months basically equals two seasons. So, Juliet said that at the end of season 3, that means Sun has until the end of season *five* to leave the Island.

In the mobisode Juliet says, "If she’s still on this island in about a month, both of them will be dead." She has one month, not two.; Wednesday, December 12, 2007 12:21:00 AM
aluch said...: i think the question we should be all asking is not WHO but WHY they leave the island. and WHY others stay.; Wednesday, December 12, 2007 12:36:00 AM
methosrocks said...: So far, I've yet to see any spec that makes sense of it being just those particular six who manage to get off the island. I've come to the conclusion that there IS no way to make sense of it. In fact, I think this particular grouping results from random coincidence, nothing more, nothing less.

Michael Emerson mentioned a lot of violence and deaths and explosions. What if this particular six just happened to run in the same direction in response to a major attack? What if Alex and/or Karl ran with them and showed them where the Elizabeth has been stored? Maybe they sailed away from the island to survive, pure and simple.

From there, maybe there was discussion and a vote, to keep sailing or go back, and the keep-sailing side won. (A decision Jack feels guilty about and Kate has come to terms with.) Maybe they meant to go back to the island to help their friends, but a storm blew them off course and they couldn't find the island again. So at some point, they abandoned the search and sailed on toward a shipping lane somewhere and got picked up that way.

All of that sounds far more likely to me than a rescue of just these six by the freighter crew. Michael Emerson said they turn out to be more evil than anyone we've seen yet, so I don't think they're in the "saving" business. What convinces me most of all that random chance is the mail factor in this escape from the island is the makeup of this group. I can't see Hurley willingly abaondoning Claire, or Kate leaving Sawyer and the others behind, or Sayid just saving himself and forgetting the others. That doesn't compute for me, so I really think chance had to play a BIG part in how their return home came about.; Wednesday, December 12, 2007 1:20:00 AM
Maria said...: Thanks, aluch. Exactly what I was thinking. Who gets off is no longer the mystery. Its how and why and when they leave and the rest do not.; Wednesday, December 12, 2007 1:35:00 AM
dana23 said...: I think it unlikely this group sailed away on the Elizabeth. Desmond tried to sail away for 2 weeks and wound up back at the island. I would think the 6 leave some other way.

I do think the six that leave the island are interesting but not really unlikely. Since near the beginning of season 2, I thought the most likely survivors overall (i.e., the ones we would see leave the island) would be Jack, Kate, Hurley, Sun, Jin and Claire (with Aaron of course). I had 5 of 6. I am really surprised Claire is not one of them and that Sayid is. I fully expected that Sayid would die on island as I expect Sawyer, Locke and several others will, although I don’t expect Sawyer or Locke to die much before the very end of the series in season 6. BUT I didn’t expect anybody to be leaving the island before the end of the series, so the FF and the possibility that they do get off sooner and in fact, may actually come back to the island before the end of the series certainly changes things.

I do think that when Jack left he fully expected that the other survivors would be rescued (either he would go back or he was promised someone else would). When that didn’t happen, I think the guilt of leaving the other survivors put him in a tailspin, which we saw in his FF. It does not really matter whether or not it was his fault the other survivors were not rescued, as the declared “leader” he would feel ultimately responsible. He has survivor’s guilt and it is destroying him. Kate empathizes, but apparently has moved on with her life. Her disinterest in returning to the island gives me a strong sense that either Sawyer is dead or that something dramatic tore them apart so she has no desire to attempt to return to the island.

I really wish the hiatus was over along with the writers’ strike.; Wednesday, December 12, 2007 2:48:00 AM
Pudsack said...: I don't think Jack wants to return to the island out of guilt. IMO, he wants to return because his life on the island was actually better than what he had before which Ben pointed out to him at the end of season 3. I think Jack's reasons for returning are completely selfish, on the island he had a role and a purpose and someone he loved. when he gets off the island he has no job, no dad, no wife.

When Jack said to Kate in the FF "we made a mistake...we weren't supposed to leave", IMO it sounds like they had a choice and that they could've stayed. I know that's kinda stating the obvious but I hope someone understands what I mean.; Wednesday, December 12, 2007 3:13:00 AM
Golden said...: I hear ya Pud

Jack always has his own reasons first and foremost. He NEEDS to do 'good' things to feel good about himself, not because of the end result.

That doesn't mean going back is the wrong thing to do. Jack might save more lives by the time this series is up. I just hope he cheers up doing it.; Wednesday, December 12, 2007 3:28:00 AM
dana23 said...: Golden said: Jack always has his own reasons first and foremost. He NEEDS to do 'good' things to feel good about himself, not because of the end result.

I do agree with this statement. Jack NEEDS to control situations. He NEEDS to fix things. Many see Jack as a selfless hero who can do no wrong. But he, like almost every other character on the show, is much more complex than that. He has flaws, serious flaws. His need to control and to fix things may be born more of a selfish desire to prove himself rather than selfless one. This again may go back to his infamous father issues which seem to be the driving force in his life. Regardless, I think that he and those around him always view his intentions as honorable irrespective of his motivations.

I don’t doubt his desire to get off the island at all costs. But I don’t think he purposely betrayed anybody to do it. That would not fit with the image he has of himself.

Pudsack said: I think Jack's reasons for returning are completely selfish, on the island he had a role and a purpose and someone he loved. when he gets off the island he has no job, no dad, no wife.

I’m not sure this is completely true. Yes, on the island he had a purpose, but there is nothing to suggest he had no purpose when he returned to LA. The impression I get is that he retuned a hero. He undoubtedly still had a job when he returned. Even in his depressed, addicted state he appeared to still have a job and my assumption is that the road to drug and alcohol dependence started after he returned home. As far as no wife or dad, he had lost both before the crash, so that should not make any difference at home or on island. I’m not sure who is being referred to when you say “he had…someone he loved”. If you mean Kate, she got off the island with him, so no need to return for her. If you mean Juliet, well at this point, we have no idea what happened there. There is an obvious attraction, but whether it developed into love we don’t know. Nor do we know if she got off the island. After all, she was not on Oceanic 815 so she wouldn’t necessarily be included with this group.; Wednesday, December 12, 2007 5:12:00 AM
GregDean said...: She has one month, not two.

Well, with only 16 episodes a season now, a month of Island time could still end up taking nearly two seasons to show on the series.

Juliet said that to Jack in the Operation Sleeper mobisode on day 88. Season 3 ended on day 93. So, if Sun has 30 days to get off the Island, that's 25 days of Island time yet, and I'd be very surprised if season 4 covers 25 days in 16 episodes without jumping ahead in time. So, I'm sticking to the idea that the "Oceanic Six" probably won't leave the Island until the season 4 finale (which would seem like a good point in the story structure for that event to happen, yes?).; Wednesday, December 12, 2007 5:17:00 AM
tim said...: @Lena:

"My guess is that The Oceanic 6 - are claimed to be the only ones who servived the crash. They claime that all the rest are dead. That's the lie, Jack was talking about."

that's an amazingly fresh thought! I haven't read a more plausable theory yet. And if this were to happen, imagine all the different storylines, plots or twists they could derive from it! Lena, your comment was quite brilliant, and so simple, im surprised no one else suggested before you.

Personally I believe at some point in the future, when Kate is absolutely resistant on returning to the island, Jack will enlist the help of someone else who was on the island, most definately Sun, to get through to her and convince her of the necessity to return.; Wednesday, December 12, 2007 5:39:00 AM
bob said...: I agree with Dark (from about 100 posts ago)... no reason to suggest that they get off the island this season. The only way I can see them doing that is in either the season finale or the mini-finale... and then start it up again with them coming back to the island somehow.

The thing that bothers me, still, though, is that Jack is flying all over the place, hoping that the plane will crash on the island again... that suggests one of two things to me:-

1. He knows the method that they used to get off the island can be used to get back... eg. maybe they were "cast" from the island by Ben in the submarine...;

2. (this is the theory that I like most) When they left the island, the island's defences were started up again. This would tie in with a theory I had a long, long time ago - that the series will end very similarly to how it began... the Losties remaining will take the place of the Others with the job of protecting the island from outsiders.; Wednesday, December 12, 2007 7:44:00 AM
bob said...: Also, a few character theories...

Firstly, I think that the O-6 will choose for themselves to leave the island - others will choose to stay.

For example:-

1. Locke. Easy one - he has no reason to leave... if he leaves, he'll be in a wheelchair;

2. Rose. Likewise - she has cancer but the island protects her;

3. Bernard. He'll want to stay with Rose;

4. Claire. This one's "way out there" but... her baby was born on the island. I reckon that means that, if she left, Aaron would die;

5. Sawyer. Tricky one... maybe he'll die in an upcoming episode (doesn't someone get attacked by "something from above"? I thought that it was likely to be Sawyer when it was first mentioned) Because, right now, I don't see any reason why he'd want to stay on the island?

Isn't that everyone that's left from the Losties, other than the background crew...? Normally with a spoiler like this, those people could be ignored as being people discounted from the spoiler... except, in this case, isn't it Sayid who mentions "the 6"? That would imply that there's definitely only 6 Losties that make it off island - including supporting cast.; Wednesday, December 12, 2007 7:51:00 AM
bob said...: Ah... I forgot about the Sun 30 days thing ... 30 would be a perfect number to bring the escape close to the end of season 5... 16 episodes per season, that's approx 32 days if it's 1 day per episode.

Bear in mind that she wouldn't normally give birth on the exact day... though, thinking about it, since everything seems stronger and healthier on the island, there's a good chance that the baby would want to "pop out" a bit early...?; Wednesday, December 12, 2007 7:55:00 AM
Jake C. said...: Yeah, Locke doesn't want to leave and we know that since season 1.

@hulk and sawyerrules:
No one referrs to their child with the tone and "he" like Kate did in the FF. I am absolutely sure it's not the child. It could be anyone - someone we still didn't meet - and it COULD be Sawyer - who says he won't leave the island later?
Anyhow... I am asking again - in which trailer was there a 6?; Wednesday, December 12, 2007 8:27:00 AM
Jake C. said...: Oh, now I've seen it :D; Wednesday, December 12, 2007 8:28:00 AM
Pudsack said...: bob said...
Ah... I forgot about the Sun 30 days thing ... 30 would be a perfect number to bring the escape close to the end of season 5... 16 episodes per season, that's approx 32 days if it's 1 day per episode.

Bear in mind that she wouldn't normally give birth on the exact day... though, thinking about it, since everything seems stronger and healthier on the island, there's a good chance that the baby would want to "pop out" a bit early...?
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She wouldn't be giving birth on that day, she would be midway through the second trimester or whenever it was Juliette said the women die.

I think if the 6 get off the island at the end of series 5, series 6 will all take place in the present, and instead of FBs/FFs, we will cut between the ones on the island and the O6. Maybe Lost will end when Jack returns to the island.; Wednesday, December 12, 2007 10:06:00 AM
luthien said...: i'm wondering what would some of you guys say if "the he" was not a kid after all... coz all your theories are based on a kid- waiting for kate at home and that she has to protect his son!!
but what if there was no kid?

...

and lets say there is a kid, does that mean that kate wouldnt be a part of the "going back to the island" story? (since she refused to go back because of her kid) does that mean that kate would stay with her son! and she wont get back to the island? ever!

...

some of you guys said that maybe kate thinks that sawyer is dead! well if she didnt see sawyer dying or something it wouldnt be enough reason for her to stay coz when she went back for jack she didnt know if he's alive or not either...
all she knew was that jack had cut ben's kidney sack and threatened to kill him if they wouldnt let kate and sawyer go... so a person (like kate) who thinks that the others are evil would expect them to kill jack after surgery! no?

....; Wednesday, December 12, 2007 10:14:00 AM
odul said...: There is another way to assume why Sawyer and Co. got left behind. Maybe they screwed up a plan to meet at some point escape. Maybe someone like Loke or Danielle put an obstacle in there. Remember Danielle has some hidden sides to her that we know of.

Maybe they are kept in captivity.

Maybe Jack and co. are made believe that they are dead and that's what Jack's referring to with lying (that their people are alive and there is a way to get to the island)

Maybe Jack actually got to a point where he has evidence an share it with others to convince them further in future than FF. Or like someone said the person in the coffin was one ofhis last hopes.; Wednesday, December 12, 2007 2:20:00 PM
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Saska said...: @bob - This would tie in with a theory I had a long, long time ago - that the series will end very similarly to how it began... the Losties remaining will take the place of the Others with the job of protecting the island from outsiders.

I guess Jack will have to start practising the pop-eyed Ben look.; Wednesday, December 12, 2007 3:47:00 PM
sawyerrules said...: I think that next season Jack'd try to convince the O-6 to go back to the island but...my guess is that no one is going to go with him...cause Jin is gonna die, Hurley is on a mental institution, Kate doesn't want to go and we don't know about Sun and Sayid. Then Jack is going back alone..

And the O-6 I think they are moles and they were on 4(Kate)-8-15-16(Sun and Jin)23 and 42 seats at Oceanic 815.; Wednesday, December 12, 2007 3:51:00 PM
gunshyne said...: Kate's reluctance to return to the island could be nothing more than acceptance. She might figure it's no way she can get back and is using the same excuse people use while trying to comprehend any loss. "It was meant to be". She may want to see Sawyer but believes it's not in the cards. So she has moved on and "accepted" what she thinks to be the truth and something she can't change. Not being able to return to the island.; Wednesday, December 12, 2007 9:17:00 PM
Lost 2010 said...: When I guessed before I clicked, I thought it would be Jack, Kate, Sun, Jin, Claire and Aaron. And if Aaron didn't count - maybe Hurley or Sawyer.

At first, I was crushed not to see Sawyer's scowling face, but not surprised. I always kind of thought Sawyer would sacrifice himself to save Jack somehow. My pet theory is that Kate believes Sawyer's dead and that's why she doesn't want to go back.; Wednesday, December 12, 2007 11:15:00 PM
kissamarisa said...: Whoever said something about it being Micheal or whoever in the coffin is wrong, sorry. Whoever is there..their name starts with a "J". If you payed attention to the newspaper clip in the season 3 finale you would know that.; Thursday, December 13, 2007 5:26:00 AM
dana23 said...: Rumor had it that John Locke was originally supposed to be in the coffin, but they later decided not to open it during the episode so people would not realize it was a flash forward till the final scene. In reality, since they never showed who was in the coffin, they have the option to make it be just about anyone. So, it could well be Michael if he was living under an alias. (And there could be any number of reasons why Michael would want to do that.) Considering the funeral home appeared to be in an African-American neighborhood and supposedly the newspaper article said the man had a teenage son, it's not a huge leap to think it might be Michael. Personally, I think it fits and is as good a guess as any other.; Thursday, December 13, 2007 6:35:00 AM
Jake said...: I agree with Dana23. . . what better reason to want to live under a new identity when you get off the island than the fact that you killed two people while you were there?

Michael being in the coffin makes sense for a number of reasons: first, this would be especially heartbreaking for Jack because of all people Michael, after sailing away at the end of Season 2, would have a better understanding of what it takes to get on or off the island. Secondly, his betrayal certainly explains why Kate wouldn't go to the funeral. Finally, unless the person in the coffin is one of the 6, the person who is there is someone who was either not on the Oceanic flight (Ben or Juliet) or left the island in a much more secretive fashion.

So in response to Kisamarisa, I think it is waaaay too early to consider anyone wrong at this point. . .; Thursday, December 13, 2007 9:58:00 AM
amberpiercecessac said...: NO SAWYER????!!; Friday, December 14, 2007 11:50:00 PM
faith_can't live in nyc said...: Why are some people assuming that there is a mole/traitor among the 6?

Why are we assuming Sawyer is back on the island, and not dead?

If Kate loves Sawyer she would want to get back to him. It's clear from the final scene of the FF that Jack wants to go back and make things right, but she has no desire to go back to the island. She thinks he's crazy for wanting to go back.; Saturday, December 15, 2007 8:51:00 AM
nodecode said...: Right. If I put aside all my wishes to interpretate that information in a way that would lead to: Sawyer has also left the island SOMEHOW, Jack was strong, made NO compromises and the thing he is beating himself up happend without his notion etc...

If I put this aside I have that:

1)Sawyer is dead (assumed it long ago, but it is hard to write. If I should do it with a pen maybe my hand would tremble =))
Because:
he is not among Oceanic 6
Kate doesn't want to come back to that island - I think if he (or even other people) would be left behind she is the first to go back - at any costs.
And Sawyer is just a type wich would fight till the very end rather than be left behind.
2. The way these six went out - they were splitted from the rest and Jack had to make a rush decision - and he chose to go away - somehow with a determination to come back, but also with understanding (somwhere in a corner of his mind) that it barely will be possible.
3. The rest of the people are:
other oceanic pasengers: dead
Others: dead, left on the island, or removed from there and silenced.
Desmond - in hiding.

But I also know that first logic thoughts may be (and almost always is =)) not what Lost is all about.

That's good in this case. =)

And one thing more: a part of people guess that the O6 would be cleared only in 5th or 6th season.

But, if yes, I do not see how that information coulod leak.

Why should the writers reaveal anything so big so early?; Saturday, December 15, 2007 12:59:00 PM
kuryus said...: I think and have always thought that the "him" Kate refers to is someone powerful, someone powerful enough to keep Kate out of prison, but at the price of any kind of personal freedom ...

the only peron i know who fits this bill is BEN.... and that actually makes sense; Sunday, December 16, 2007 7:52:00 AM
methosrocks said...: I think and have always thought that the "him" Kate refers to is someone powerful, someone powerful enough to keep Kate out of prison, but at the price of any kind of personal freedom ...

the only peron i know who fits this bill is BEN.... and that actually makes sense. - kuryus

From the spoilers we have for Kate's episode, it looks like her legal issues will be cleared up in a very publick way in Ep. 4, and since Jack is clean shaven in the scene he was spotted filming, that must be a LONG time before the period in which the FF we saw takes place, by which time he's grown a long beard. We also know from the Sayid spoilers that he got a hefty cash settlement as a result of the crash and consequently doesn't need to work for a living. Therefore, it's reasonable to assume Kate would have gotten a settlement too. So by the time we get to the FF we saw in the finale, Kate is free of legal problems and has plenty of money of her own. So what possible basis is there for imagining that she's being kept some kind of prisoner by somebody controlling her? And Ben, of all people? Why on earth would Ben ever leave the island? In any case, off the island, Ben is nobody and has no power.

The whole "being kept prisoner by a powerful man" theory has been shot full of holes by these latest spoilers IMO.; Monday, December 17, 2007 3:29:00 AM
Jake C. said...: Now everybody look at the new trailer and see that the people who stay stay because they want it, not because they're left behind!; Tuesday, December 18, 2007 9:02:00 AM
Ahrean2007 said...: Why the HELL would Sawyer want to stay behind and why the HELL would Claire want to stay behind?

I love that Sayid makes it off the island though and love that Juliet doesn't; please LOST gods, let her DIE!; Friday, December 28, 2007 6:59:00 PM
Ahrean2007 said...: Oh, and if this makes Charlie's death insignificant, by Claire not making it off the island, I'm going to be ticked off.; Friday, December 28, 2007 7:05:00 PM
Stephanie said...: We all need to remember that Lost is not a "rescue show." Lost as a series will not end with everyone rescued and off the island. The storyline is much bigger than "get these people rescued." There's a huge story going on that we can't quite see yet.

It's possible Jack does get to go back to the island, or other people get off. But I don't think that's going to be the main issue--once the series is complete, we'll look back at this point and say, "Oh, look, they (the writers) led us down a little trail here...but look where they were going--I never saw that coming!"; Thursday, January 31, 2008 4:12:00 PM
John M Osborne said...: Why couldn't it be Hurley (other than the size of the coffin)? I mean, the death sparks something in Jack that's self-destructive, but also a purpose - to go back. The end of this past episode, well, Jack was just echoing it.

That, and this flash forward happenned well before Jack's.; Friday, February 01, 2008 6:31:00 AM
Sam said...: wow, Sayid really surprised me.

I feel sad for Claire and Aaron :(; Friday, February 01, 2008 5:16:00 PM
gigglepezy said...: Just because these are the only 6 who get off the island does not mean that the others have to be dead, recall last nights episode where the vistor says to Hurley, "ARE THEY ALIVE..." and later in the episode Hurley asks Jack if he is afraid that Hurley is going to tell. I don't think that everyone left on the island is dead.; Friday, February 01, 2008 9:57:00 PM
Darkline368 said...: Im not sure that Micheal and Walt are away from the island. Remember that Desmond was sailing for a long time away from the island but no matter what he did the island just kept bringing him back. I think the same thing may have happened to Walt and Micheal and that the fact that Walt is "different" might play a bigger part as the season continues.; Friday, February 01, 2008 11:34:00 PM
ccwalker said...: Claire might be able to see Charlie on the island the way the other people at the asylum could see him giving her a reason to want to stay. Do we know Kate is one of the Oceanic 6 - I know she gets off the island but maybe under a different identity to avoid prison - if so could one of the other survivors be one of the 6? maybe Sawyer?; Monday, February 04, 2008 11:25:00 AM
demoneyedangel said...: But if these are the 6..how did Hurley get off the island when he went with Locke?; Wednesday, February 06, 2008 12:14:00 AM
lostfreak said...: Very confusing...

In one of the flashbacks, Hurley says to jack 'i should have gone with you' or something like that...then it flashes to lockes group...that definately means something

as for the person in the coffin, there are 3 possibilities

1. Ben

2. Sayid (noooooo)

3. Locke

locke makes sense....and i doubt that nayone would come to his funeral....; Monday, February 11, 2008 8:30:00 AM
Saltiblanco said...: I think the person in the coffin is Kate's mum. That's why Jack thought Kate would be there.

I think that Locke, Rose, Bernard and Sawyer stay on the island.

I also think that there will be a big storyline for Rose, as she should be seen as 'special' because the island took her cancer away, and not Ben's.

Maybe Rose will be the leader of the Island dwellers, and start up a God Squad there.

I hope that Claire, Ben and Juliet die. Their characters are boring me now.

(PS Maybe Desmond will change the future, so the Flash fowards may be different); Wednesday, February 13, 2008 11:10:00 AM
nthanmrris said...: Ok. The "Him" Kate refers to, is her SON.

The person in the coffin, would be Juliet, which would explain why Jack is so torn up about the fact that she is dead.

Notice how all of Desmond's visions have been visions of death. (The helicopter with Claire on it crashes, a little morbid, but this coming from the people who wanted to kill Jack in the pilot episode.)

Just because they are left behind, doesn't mean they CHOSE to stay behind.

Anyone wonder who the person on the boat is that is in contact with Ben? Michael. It is already released that he has the 8th episode for himself, and his name is already on the credits.; Thursday, February 14, 2008 1:28:00 AM
Saltiblanco said...: Why would Kate want to go to Juliet's funeral?

In SOS, Rose said she wanted to stay on the island because she might get cancer again if she went back on the Mainland. Bernard said he would stay with her.

Locke would probably stay on the Island because he cannot walk on the mainland.

Desmond's visions are not all about death. He had a vision of the American football team winning in the last second of the match.; Thursday, February 14, 2008 9:22:00 AM
koolaidkix said...: So does that mean sun's baby isnt getting off the island? because he or she is a person and would be included in the 6.. but he wasnt on the plane so maybe thats why its not one of the 6; Friday, February 15, 2008 1:35:00 AM
AJ said...: here's how its going to end... they will fix everything thru the means of time travel to the point where oceanic 815 never crashes so nothing ever happened... The end; Friday, February 15, 2008 4:18:00 PM
Spiros said...: hey people...michael is obviously ben's spy on the ship. don't mix him up in our other theories...; Friday, February 22, 2008 1:07:00 PM
Melinda E said...: Aaron and Sun's baby were not on the flight manifesto, and so should not be technically considered part of the O6. And we don't know that Aaron even came back with Kate in the first place. Isn't possible he was brought back by someone else, like Ben, or another non-O6 person, and that the public doesn't know he is connected to the crash (other than his now being with Kate)?; Friday, February 22, 2008 5:38:00 PM
skrewuguyz said...: It's funny to read these comments and see how wrong a lot of you were! LMAO!! Bet that crow tastes good!; Wednesday, February 27, 2008 4:24:00 PM
redpony said...: so is the kid that kate has, claire's baby? his name IS aaron after all; Friday, February 29, 2008 3:29:00 AM
Lostified-Rachel said...: Aren't there 8 people who actually get off the island and then 2 die-making the Oceanic 6? or did i just like make that up?; Thursday, March 06, 2008 8:39:00 AM
djsuperstarla82 said...: I have a feeling that Claire dies because of something connected to the fact that pregnant women on the island dies and Sun has her baby off the island. I belive that somehow somebody will travel in time like Desmond did and at very end everybody gets saved. Ben dies because he deserve it and he's creepy. If that doesn't happens I'm sure Charly will come back he's one of my favorites. Jack is upset about comming off the island because they didn't do it right and somebody died like that guy on the boat that had Desmond's same problem.; Sunday, March 09, 2008 2:26:00 AM
Frank said...: Wherever Michael is, I don't think that he ccould have made it back to civilization. Remember that for the helicopter to take Desmond and Sayid to the freighter, it had to follow precise coordinates to escape the area where the island is located. Assumably, if you need a helicopter to follow a precise route to escape, then the boat that Michael left on could not have done it. So Michael may not be on that precise island here the survivors are right now, but he is likely still trapped in the vicinity of the island, and we will see him again (hopefully to receive some sort of justice for murdering two people).; Thursday, March 13, 2008 12:55:00 PM
Glen said...: I guess you forget what Ben said to Michael when he left the island.; Friday, March 14, 2008 2:10:00 AM
manicm0de420 said...: jin is not the 6th claires son is; Friday, March 14, 2008 2:34:00 AM
Sublime Lazy said...: why do you all think that aaron is one of the O6?

that would be such horrible writing.; Friday, March 14, 2008 4:19:00 AM
Sublime Lazy said...: there aren't 8. that is the lie that Jack said on the stand in the eggtown episode. There are only 6.; Friday, March 14, 2008 4:29:00 AM
info said...: So who is the 6th since it clearly wasn't Jin??

(Also, Jack said there were 8 survivors of the crash -- but since there were only 6 rescued, that either means that 2 died on the island or the other 2 are Michael and Walt.); Friday, March 14, 2008 4:37:00 AM
Msdebbielee said...: I think that the title of "Oceanic 6" only refers to those who are known to have been rescued. Clearly Sayid wasn't famous and known to people as the others seem to be and I beleive that he probably escaped the island some other way and shouldn't be counted. Clearly Aaron should be as he's already been seen. Jin at this point is a big question since we can't be sure when he died. Jack's statement was that 8 survied the crash, but then 2 died from their injuries shortly after and that left only 6. Of course we know that he was lying. Of course if Sayid did escape the island some other way that leaves the opening for Desmond to have escaped with him. If Jin wasn't one of the Oceanic 6 then there is still one to be revealed????; Friday, March 14, 2008 7:02:00 AM
kylieb2005 said...: Is it not possible that on thay way back from getting rescued they had yet another accident and from that only 6 survived, cause we all know way more that 8 people survived the original oceanic flight 815 crash. Jin was obviously one of the two that died. As Jack said 8 escaped only 6 survived. ( 5 survivors = Jack, Kate, Sun, Hurley and sayid).; Friday, March 14, 2008 1:48:00 PM
Elena said...: OK, so far we've only seen 5 adults of the Oceanic 6. Would Aaron be counted as an Oceanic 6 since technically he wasn't a counted for passenger of the flight?

Sun got off the island pregnant and she even got pregnant on the island, so that means her baby can't be counted as part of the Oceanic 6.

Did you all notice that Jin's headstone has the day of the crash (Sept. 22nd) as his death date? Why would that be on there? Unless, they were sworn to say he didn't survive the crash OR he took a secret identity and is supposed to make people believe he's dead...and perhaps Sun doesn't even know.

Last night's was a great episode!!; Friday, March 14, 2008 3:56:00 PM
Nigel said...: This makes me ask the question; do all the, assumed. victims of the 815 crash have graves somewhere?
Remember the black box, the set up? The whole world thought they were all dead at one time. Perhaps Sun’s grave once had a date of death on it too.
This all fits with the "secret" that Jack, Kate and Hurley are keeping.

I think something happens to Jin on the island, Sun is either crying over his death or her separation from him.

The only reason Aaron wouldn’t be O6 is if he’s being kept a secret, as I’ve said repeatedly, I can’t believe the media would be that picky when coming up with the name O6, to say, well he wasn’t technically on the plane.; Friday, March 14, 2008 4:41:00 PM
Nadim said...: This post has been removed by the author.; Friday, March 14, 2008 4:49:00 PM
tanny said...: JIN IS NOT THE 6TH SURVIVOR!!!!!
What is with you people?!!!!
What we saw of jin was a FLASHBACK not a flashforward!!!
when he was leaving the hospital he told the nurse that he'd been married only two months!
JIN IS DEAD!
so the 6th one is yet to be declared...; Friday, March 14, 2008 5:57:00 PM
Elena said...: My Goodnes Tanny, chill out. I don't think people are saying that Jin is a survivor...in fact there isn't a recent post of anyone saying that he is.

WE KNOW THOSE WERE FLASHBACKS of him.

yes, you are right, the 6th one is yet to be revealed, unless they are counting Aaron as a survivor...

but then Nigel brought up a good point...perhaps his existence is being kept a secret.; Friday, March 14, 2008 6:26:00 PM
Mickey Bell said...: I don't think that Jin is one of the six! The panda sequence was a flashBACK. We learned that he is dead by the time the baby is born.; Sunday, March 16, 2008 4:19:00 PM
Becky said...: I think one of the reasons they said there were 8 survivors is that Sun obviously conceived on the island, so they would have had to say he survived the crash and died later. I don't think he is one of the oceanic 6.

Also, I don't think Aaron would be considered because he wasn't on the manifest.; Monday, March 17, 2008 1:57:00 AM
Becky said...: New thought. I think Claire was obviously other survivor who died on the island in order to explain Aaron. . .

So I think Claire and Jin were the two survivors who died in order to explain the two babies.

And then Kate, Jack, Hurley, Sun, and Sayid. I have no guesses on the other one.

Who's in the coffin?; Monday, March 17, 2008 2:07:00 AM
Brian said...: jin was not one of the eight. if you look at the tombstone it clearly says that his death date is 9 22 2004, the day that the plane crashed, so unless the had sex that day and then something crazy happened it would not explain how he could be the father.; Monday, March 17, 2008 2:41:00 AM
emeraldeyes said...: jin is not one of the oceanic 6 as he is dead, aaron is in the future but does he count as one?? is this why doc doesnt want to see aaron, because he couldnt save claire and finds out that aaron is his nephew??? help; Wednesday, March 19, 2008 12:27:00 AM
Mark said...: Sayid is not one of the Oceanic Six. He mentioned it to one of the people he had a hit on to get a response from them as they would then know he was there to kill them.

Jin is not dead but in fact very much alive with a new identity, performing tasks similar to that of Sayid but on the other side of the world, working for Ben.

My guess is that he never gets over Jin's infidelity and knows that once back in the real world he will feel indebted to Jin's family and the work he used to do for them. The chances are that Jin thinks that Sun is still on the island but in fact he leaves the island with the help of Ben somehow as it seems that Sun is in the Far East.; Thursday, March 20, 2008 8:22:00 AM
Mark said...: With Sayid and Sun presumed dead and Ben using them to pop off individuals and with with Aaron and //jin's baby not being on the flight mabifest and thus not technically being one of the Six, the six will be the following.

Jack, Kate, Hurley, Jin, Michael and Walt.; Thursday, March 20, 2008 8:28:00 AM
Tyler said...: You were wrong about Jin, it's Claire's baby instead.; Friday, March 21, 2008 2:16:00 AM
JVMR said...: My guess is the Oceanic 6 are Jack, Kate, Hurley, Sayid, Sun and Walt. Since we learned in episode 4.8 that Walt is back in New York living with his grandmother, he is technically a survivor, therefore may be considered part of the 6.; Friday, March 21, 2008 1:50:00 PM

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