Update: 16th April Thanks to The ODI for the heads up on an update from Ryan.
This is definitely 4x12, and Stephen Williams was directing.
The person singled out in the photo is not Matthew Fox, but I'd heard he was expected. And now I have confirmation that he did arrive, and was filming inside the church.
I also have confirmation that it's Christian Shephard's funeral.
Update: 23:30 As many of who have noticed and emailed me, it looks like it is Nadia in this scene with Sayid. Now we know that in Episode 4.09 that Sayid is a pallbearer at Nadia's funeral so this Flashforward must take place before that of the 4.09 one.
also is this Jack we can see?
Thanks to our man in Hawaii Ryan, we have the following great info and photos. It's for Episode 4.12 - There's No Place Like Home, which is rumoured to be Claire centric.
Could this be the Episode where Jack finds out about Claire being his half-sister and this is what sets him off on wanting to get back to the Island?
“LOST” landed in Kaimuki this morning, at St. Patrick’s Church on Waialae Avenue. The parking lot was staged with shiny BMWs and Mercedes (and a couple of black stretch limousines) with California plates. As an unusually large number of extras arrived, all dressed in black, it became clear they were there to film a funeral scene.
The actors were on the set soon enough. Jorge Garcia, Naveen Andrews, and Evangeline Lilly were tended to by wardrobe and make-up, along with another young female actress I didn’t recognize.
Other fans that had gathered speculated that the funeral was for Claire, but I spotted by chance a large portrait being carried into the church. A staid older gentleman with gray hair was depicted. Can't say for sure, but my mind flashed instantly to Christian Shephard.
The exterior scene involved Sayid and Kate standing outside the church as mourners filed in. A limo arrives, and Hurley exits along with the aforementioned young woman. And the woman, not Kate, is the one carrying the baby. The group hugs and talks briefly at the top of the stairs before heading inside. Though it looked like a flash forward involving many of the "Oceanic Six" (walkie chatter suggested Matthew Fox was en route), there was no flock of press.
Frankly I was more intrigued by Hurley's companion than the identity of the person being laid to rest. And were they bringing Aaron, or another baby entirely? A friend I saw there said the woman bore a slight resemblance to Marguerite Moreau, a.k.a. Hurley's crush Starla. But I admit that could just be wishful thinking on my part!
(Click to Enlarge)
More Photos here
Source: Ryan@Hawaii Blog
Lost in Mourning - Episode 4.12 - There's No Place Like Home
(Comments: 86)
Labels:
Behind the Scenes,
Hurley,
Kate,
Sayid,
There's No Place Like Home
Post Your Comment (looking for the old comment form?)
N O T E
Name-calling, personal attacks, spamming, excessive self-promotion, condescending pomposity, general assiness, racism, sexism, any-other-ism, Shipper bating, homophobia, acrophobia, excessive CAPS and destructive (versus constructive) criticism will get you BANNED from the party.
If you have a problem or an issue with a comment, do NOT post it in the comments, email me here. If you reply/respond to an unnecessary comment, your post will be deleted as well.
Subscribe to our 
Follow our 
Sign up to our 
86 Comments:
well it can't the person in the casket or can it?
another young female actress "Nadia"???
where is Jack :((((
since kate showed up
Can't be Jack. I don't really believe that there will be this whole initiative that Jack seems desperate to see through that he ends up dying before he can.
If it is Jacks, maybe he make it back to the island before those in the pictures do? Maybe it's someone else?
I don't know but I would feel cheated if Jack died before he can get back to the island.
hum...no jack...jack's funeral ? lol it's weird i mean o5 are here and not him... maybe it's funeral for others losties :( the beginning of the lie...
NO WAY! CAN NOT BE JACK!
I have a feeling it might be Jin's fake funeral. since hurley visits sun he is obviously aware of it. And they want to keep up appearances and the story of what they claimed happened.
I think it's just a memorial for the victims of the crash right after O6 returns to off-Island world. I wonder where Jack is. Probably this is a scene for the finale.
Did you read the account of what was taking place:
Other fans that had gathered speculated that the funeral was for Claire, but I spotted by chance a large portrait being carried into the church. A staid older gentleman with gray hair was depicted. Can’t say for sure, but my mind flashed instantly to Christian Shephard.
The exterior scene involved Sayid and Kate standing outside the church as mourners filed in. A limo arrives, and Hurley exits along with the aforementioned young woman. And the woman, not Kate, is the one carrying the baby. The group hugs and talks briefly at the top of the stairs before heading inside. Though it looked like a flash forward involving many of the “Oceanic Six” (walkie chatter suggested Matthew Fox was en route), there was no flock of press.
@katieb
wow Ryan updated his text :))) thx
My first inclination was a standard Oceanic victims memorial service but Christian Shephard?
I guess the body eventually turns up then.
The only other "staid older gentleman with gray hair" that I can think of is Bernard possibly.
If look at the pictures, you will see that Nadia was there too. This is most definitely a memorial for those who supposedly died in the crash. The beginning of the lie as someone already said.
Jack arriving on his own would support it being Christian's funeral though.
Jeez, these spoilers are candy-coated torture! :D
cooper said...
The beginning of the lie as someone already said.
it was me lol
This falls in line with my previous posting here (and on Lostpedia.com) that all the islanders live accelerated life spans off-island by a factor of how much time they spent on the island.
So the man in the coffin from TTLG and in this scene is none other than...
Ben Linus, grown very old prematurely.
If you go to Ryan's blog and look closely at the other photos you can see Sayid with his arm around an unknown girl. I'm guessing this is the 'young female actress' that he didn't recognise. Almost certainly Nadia.
Yep, she did look alot like Nadia!
There's no way any of them (except Jack) would go to a funeral service for Christian Shepard IMO. Maybe it's a memoria service for the passengers that didn't survive the crash.
What if Claire is the sixth person in the Oceanic 6? I know it's been said over and over again that it's definitely Aaron, but what if the media (who presumably coined the phrase "Oceanic Six") originally included off-island Claire. This would explain Desmond's vision and the reason Kate has Aaron.
The others would go out of respect and support for Jack.
the woman behind Hurley in the photo, holding Aaron, looks like Kate's nanny/roommate/older sister, etc. from Eggtown
I hate to say this but I think the funeral is for Claire. It makes sense when you think about it. The funeral would be in Australia which would explain the recent casting. Emilie isn't in any of those shots so 4x12 can't be Claire-centric. I reckon Claire makes it off the island but is DOA or dies shortly after. Perhaps she's badly injured in 4x09.
sprofessor
the filming is set for most likely LA, but definitely california as posted above based on the license plates on the cars...
also for those wondering about nadia...you might be right...
click this link:
Sayid with Nadia?
it's her odi but you can see more her in this pic
http://www.flickr.com/photos/hawaii/2417219126/
it's sad to think sayid will lost her :(
This report has excited me more than any other spoiler. Partly because seeing a whole lot of O6 together will rock and partly because its so - vague! I love vague spoilers.
If you meet Sayid Jarrah in a flashforward...run. And you may just survive.
This seems more like an 06 flashforward instead of a Claire-centric episode.
Still think the islanders are going to get the two-hour finale, as next season they'll be the ones dominating while the 06 get the treatment they've gotten this year.
Yeah I missed the bit about the CA plates so it can't really be Claire's funeral.
thanks for the heads up lyly....and sorry for posting such a crappy resolution image...haha...
yea i'm guessing a memorial for the o6 it must be there first few days back since the title is no place like home. and maybe nadia comes to meet sayid after thinking he was dead all these years. and i cant wait to see ben in the bushes hiding watching patiently all the o6 and what there emotionally invested in again, just so he can start the manipulation process all over again
Think the spec about this being what sets Jack on wanting to go back is wrong. This seems to take place before Hurley's flashforward and Jack was still against going back.
This will probably reveal exactly what lies these people told.
I thinks that's Claire's funeral. Maybe Aaron wasn't last of Oceanic Six. I guess That claire left the island and now she is dead. After that Kate will take Aaron and Jack isn't on pictures because he is family of Claire and He's with Claire's body. And I also think in this flshforward He will know that Claire was his sister and that's the reason why he doesn't want to see Aaron. He reminds him his sister.
Sorry for my English. :P
That is not Jack, maybe season 1 JAck but he's three years late, so Im guessing a stand-in for Fox.
I went to the set too! I saw Sayid and Hurley! I thought it was Kate in the grey dress but it's Nadia!
I do believe its Jack in that pic.
That does look uncannily like season 1 Jack.
That is not Jack - MF is taller by a head than this "guy" ))
^
Questioning his gender? Harsh! ;)
@TLA
Questioning his gender? Harsh! ;)
??????
think it is Jack in the picture and I think the funeral is fake. Just how JIn 's was faked, this is fake for another character. It might be Locke or Libby. Libby went to the same mental institution with Hugo in LA and Locke lived in LA.
Besides, what is Nadia doing there? If the press is not present, it must be a private funeral for the O6. Why would Said get her into that business? No wonder she will die!
ryan sent a heads up that he has confirmed that matthew fox was on set and the funeral is indeed for his dad christian...!!
he has updated his blog with the info and also posted this at thefuselage:
This is definitely 4x12, and Stephen Williams was directing.
The person singled out in the photo is not Matthew Fox, but I'd heard he was expected. And now I have confirmation that he did arrive, and was filming inside the church.
I also have confirmation that it's Christian Shephard's funeral.
Wow, this really has me scratching my head, we already have seen sayid, apparently in ep 9, attending nadia's funeral, which i thought would be how ben recruited him, but they show her again in ep 12, alive? for the shortened format of the show, especially this season, there must be something really important behind the story of her and sayid's shortlived time together. maybe ben approaches sayid in ep 9 to give him info as to who/how nadia died? and maybe in ep 12 we see how it happens (probably not as ben stated to sayid, possibly even by one of bens people as revenge for outing michael and to provide leverage in recruiting sayid by making him believe it was one of widmore's agents who did it). i can't wait for this new arc. as for the pic of jack, it does look like him, and as sayid/nadia being together predates sayid working for ben, it could very well be the earliest flashforward
Wow, thanks ODI.
There's only one more thing I need to know about this scene. Did they recover Christian's body.
HF:
i agree about it being the earliest FF, there are several theories out there saying that the FF are shown in reverse order... :)
------------
hahaha....exactly TLA...
for a second i thought will that will finally confirm that CS is dead, but then i realized it does not really until we see the dead body again...
:)
Christian Shepherd is dead, death on the island just happens to have a very different meaning than in does in the "outside world".
I think this is the last time the Oceanic 6 were together. Something might have happened at the funeral that made Hurley happy no one else went to Korea to see the baby.
Doc Arzt is reporting that the funeral is for Christian Shephard. Has it been confirmed or something? Why would Hurley/Sayid show up?
Ryan updated his blog to say "Someone on the inside later confirmed: it’s the funeral for Christian Shephard." Perhaps he is simply being duped by an insider who doesn't want to spoil the scene. Why would all these people show up for Christian's funeral? Is his "spirit" going to play a part in getting the oceanic six off the island?
Why wouldn't they show up? They're not showing up because they knew Christian but because they know Jack. If your friend's father died, wouldn't you go to the funeral?
Dark, I'm curious as to why you think this episode could be Claire-centric? How could there possibly be a futureflash of CS's funeral with the O6 in a Claire episode? Other rumours say this is a Jack ep and that seems more likely.
I think it's because two Australian characters were cast and it was assumed that meant Claire. It was after that people started saying 12 was going to be a Claire episode.
Christian Shepard's funeral=jears=hilarious ack_attack recap to look forward to.
I can see this making some kind of sense in that it shows us Sayid and Nadia have some time together before it all goes to sh*t. It's also the perfect occasion for the Claire/Jack sibling reveal. Christian would have made provision of some kind for Claire in his will, and he probably would have explained why. So now Jack will be aware that Claire is his sister. If, indeed, ep. 12 is Claire centric, then I do fear she may die in this episode.
I love this kind of spoilers :)
Sayid and Nadia! I thought I'd never see a scene of the two of them as a couple.
It's nice to see them together before everything falls apart. And I agree that it's more than natural to go to your friend's father funeral/memorial.
This must be one of the first FF's chronologically speaking, if not the first...
faruk said: "and i cant wait to see ben in the bushes hiding watching patiently all the o6 and what there emotionally invested in again, just so he can start the manipulation process all over again"
I think Ben would have other ways to find that out, but that would be priceless =D
Thanks a lot Ryan!
I can't wait for this..still confused as to why everyone would attend Christian's funeral--even if they are all friends of Jack's-they sure aren't close by TTLG.
wow. this is crazy.
i think it might be a funeral for the supposed 815ers who didn't make it. that explains why the 6 are there. and also why so many other people were there( and unusually large number of extras dressed in black).
the only other thing that makes any sense to me is maybe that it's claire's funeral. although i hate to admit that. i've been convinced claire was gonna make it this whole time. but who knows. maybe she was one of the 6. it seems like the producers have kept the identity of the 6 so confusing for us on purpose. and i think maybe that's because there's something we don't yet know.
and the reason that this is speculated to be claire-centric is because a spoiler for this episode said A "major" and "mysterious" story line for Claire will begin, that setup the next few episodes and "years"!!
kind of makes it sound like a ff for her.
This episode is more than likely the first flashforward (before everything fell apart).
I wouldn't be surprised at all if Ben is watching to find out what the survivors are emotionally invested in. Sayid is emotionally invested in Nadia, so Ben kills her and then blames Widmore! What a creep!
The mysterious storyline for Claire will begin I think in Episode 10. But I don't think Claire will become a major character. I think she will probably just disappear for awhile like Michael and we will be left wondering where she is.
this certainly makes sense with the whole theory the FFs are slowly matching up with on island events.
the only thing is that i would think that jacks mother wouldve already had a funeral for christain seeing as how she knows he died cuz it happened in the real world. hell she probably had a funeral for jack too. so i'm not really sold on the funeral being for jacks father.and i'm guessing for jin to have a tombstone he would have had to have a funeral right, or atleast a fake body.
did we see sun in any of these pictures, if shes the widow she probably wont be outside talking with jack,kate,hurley, sayid and nadia.
either way i hope this is a spoiler we dont find out until the show airs. more speculation
If it is Christian's funeral, there will probably be some mention of his children, Jack Shephard and Claire Littleton. The O6 will be like... What the F***?
so clearly, there is no way this is claire centric, is there?
Is this the episode the Astralian people are in? Maybe they're relatives of Claire at the funeral who know that Christian is her father. Cue big reveal, as Michael020 said, and Jack's downward spiral. Sounds good.
If Sun isn't at the funeral, it could be because she is in Korea still very pregnant. This came to mind when someone mentioned that Hurley was happy none of the others were visiting Sun....... I can't wait to find out what really happens!
I love love LOVE seeing that Sayid/Nadia picture but I hate knowing she dies later on......god Darlton, throw the man a bone, or is it just your faves that get to have everlasting love?
the only thing is that i would think that jacks mother wouldve already had a funeral for christain seeing as how she knows he died cuz it happened in the real world. hell she probably had a funeral for jack too.
I agree. Having a funeral for Christian at this point feels like a contrivance. With Aaron still a baby, this must be right after the rescue, so that means they weren't stranded on a different island for a period of time. But why isn't Kate in custody? How did Sayid and Nadia instantly unite and form a couple?
Makes no sense to me that these people would be at Christian's funeral at all, but the theme for this season seems to be contrivance so my expectations are very low. The upcoming centrics are Ben, Jack, and Locke... and then back to Jack. Ugh.
Well if Claire doesn't get off the island, it can't be her centric can it, if it's Christian's funeral?
But, ooooh at this spoiler... lots of intrigue!
There could be all kinds of reasons why a memorial service hadn't been done yet. Perhaps Margo refused to believe both her husband and son were dead or perhaps "estate" issues kept her from have both declared legally dead. Who knows, but I'm kind of amazed at how many people can't understand why Jack's friends would be there for him.
I think it sounds good and angsty and I'm guessing it will be significant to moving Jack's story forward and showing us what happened to him, which is what Damon has said would happen all along. It could also clue us into why the six seemed to be communicating and being there for one another in the very beginning, but have become estranged since.
@katieb
ITA with what you wrote, it's all very matter-of-fact (as always) and it makes sense.
There's no need to add anything else, you already said everything!
dnt quite understand how sayid and nadia are back together either - but guess seeing as how sayid is 'famous' now, she wud have been able to find him.
dnt like the idea of it christian sheperds funeral at all - much prefered it, if it was a fake funeral for the 'dead' losties back on the island. y wud hurley, kate sayid...ect attent jacks dads funeral? its not like they knew him.
also wud christians body be in the coffin or not? wud they find the body on the island and bring it back to the 'real world'?
im confused lol
this makes Stephen Williams's first season finale
dnt like the idea of it christian sheperds funeral at all - much prefered it, if it was a fake funeral for the 'dead' losties back on the island. y wud hurley, kate sayid...ect attent jacks dads funeral? its not like they knew him.
also wud christians body be in the coffin or not? wud they find the body on the island and bring it back to the 'real world'?
No, they didn't know Christian, but they care about Jack. If you had a close friend who lost his or her father would you not be there for that person?
There would be no body and no coffin, just a memorial service, which of course leaves the whole "is Christian really dead" debate out there.
the one thing i dont understand is how all these three things can happen at once: christians funeral, one of the first ff's from off the island, and be when jack learns that clair is his half sister. something doesnt add up
we all know jack is fine for some time after he returns to the real world. so if it is learning that clair is his half sister that pushes him over the edge, it can't happen at the funeral for christian, which appears to be the earliest ff
sorry if that was hard to follow, just kinda went off on a mini tangent
jack learns that clair is his half sister
I don't think Ryan confirmed that anywhere.
hey dark,
i know it wasnt confirmed anywhere... i was just throwin out some of the rumors/theories that people put out there that had me thinkin
ps- love the site.. dark for pres
LOL :) No worries, just making sure that you had not mis-read something.
As for Pres.. I don't have enough time ;)
we all know jack is fine for some time after he returns to the real world
Jack is clearly not fine in Hurley's or Kate's FFs. He's drinking screwdrivers for breakfast, twitchy and clearly already disturbed over whatever has taken place. I don't think any one thing drove Jack to the state he's in, but a combination of many things and I think even as early as when Hurley brought it up he knew they'd made a mistake, he's just at that point allowing whatever he's afraid of or whatever he doesn't want to face keep him stubborn and adamant about not going back. JMO
katieb,
that is true. thinking back, i guess it could be possible that the reason he didnt want to see the aaron is because it would remind him of clair. his state may have just kept getting worse and worse.
AHHH i just dont know what to think anymore. so many possibilities and i think thats why we all love this show
What if it's a Jack-arranged joint memorial service for both Christian AND Claire? Father and daughter.
It'd make sense, plus then we still get an on-island Claire-centric in Season 5 about how Jack discovered they were related in the first place, followed swiftly by her death in the last scene, no doubt.
In fact, it'd be even more awesome if we all thought it was a memorial service JUST for Christian throughout most of the episode, but then in the last scene of this episode, it's revealed as a joint memorial for both Christian and Claire.
It'd seem like a normal flash-forward until we're left with the mystery of "HOW DID JACK FIND OUT ABOUT CLAIRE?!" up in the air for Claire's episode in Season 5.
PS, to those saying "Jack's mother would have already had a funeral for Christian AND Jack!":
His mother still thought that Christian was alive in Sydney.
Jack was DEFINITELY alive, in little chance of coming back dead from Sydney.
A plane crashed with both of their bodies, still possibly both alive.
Yes, there's a chance they might be dead, but I'd sure as hell hope my mother would wait more than three or four months to hold a memorial service if it were me and my dad - what if we'd missed the plane in the first place?
I'd wait at least six months, closer to a year before I'd cast all hope away, I think. Maybe even more than that.
I guess I'm having issues with the timing...I just don't see this as happening shortly after the '06 returns. Sayid/Nadia, Kate not in custody, etc. (things mentioned by others above).
I really need the producers to put out a chronological version of the show after all the episodes are wrapped up!!!
Thanks Dark for the info...more things to mull over!!!
What an awesome spoiler. The picture of Sayid and Nadia is gorgeous. Seeing my favourite little torturer happy, makes me happy too ;)
Christian’s funeral... so, is it fake or not? I don’t know, but I cant help the feeling that he is much more than just a surgeon and that all the Shepard’s are connected to the island in a very special way. So his funeral would be a nice opportunity to find out more about this and of course absolutely perfect for Jack to find out that Claire is his sister.
I can’t wait! This definitely sounds exciting!
My favourite spoiler in weeks! Thanks Dark!
why wouldnt jacks mom have a funeral for christain, he died in australia, not on the plane or island. yea she thought he was still alive when she told jack to go get him, but he died like a day or two b4 jack could find him. and thanks to miles we know that the real world already knows of the people on the flight815 and if she hasnt been notified by
a- the australian police that her husbands body was found.
b- maybe jack telling his mother b4 he got on the plane that his father died. that would be a nasty suprise to show someone as soon as u get off a flight. "hey mom, by the way dads dead"
and didnt jack tell the airline lady that he needs the body on the plane because he's already started preparing the funeral for his father as soon as he lands. so his mom had to have known.
jacks mom knew he got on that plane, it wasnt a big national secret as to who was on that plane, even kates mom knew and thought she was dead also.
if this is for the finale, we might be in for another twist. like season 3, we didnt realize the flashforward until the end. so this might mess around a be a flashback or sum kind of super flash forward alternate universe nonsense. or a combined flash ? from the o6 all crossing the sickness line outside the island. what if they all have flashes and each flash shows different points of view and different deaths
i'm just rambling at this point of course
How is there a question about the FF timeline? I thought it was pretty clear that Jack's FF in S3 was the most distant event and that they have been moving closer and closer to the present during S4. Episode 9 would show how Sayid and Ben started working together, while Episode 10 would show how/why Jack started his drinking problem. Episode 12 would see everyone back from the island, and the season finale would show how they got off the island. They are simply doing one long extended flashback via the flash forwards, and that will set the stage for S5.