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Thanks as ever to T.L.A for the transcripts (nice one!)
Keamy (on SAT phone): Put it down over there
Charlotte: Is that from the chopper?
Lapidus (on SAT phone): We're still five clicks from the site!
Keamy: I said put it down Frank. We'll pick you up guys, as soon as we hit the ground we can go to the Orchid. Head down! Let's do this.
Jack: You know what the Orchid is?
Juliet: No, I didn't hear Desmond or Sayid either.
Jack: Kate! Wanna take a walk?
Kate: Absolutely
Jack: I'll get the guns, you get some water OK?
Kate: OK.
Juliet: You can't..possibly be serious. You just had surgery, Jack.
Jack: I'm fine.
Juliet: You're not going to be fine.
Jack: I can't just sit around waiting..
Juliet: Recovery is not sitting around.
Jack: I have to do this.
Juliet: Why?
Jack: Because I promised those people..that I would get them off this island.
Juliet: Don't bleed to death Jack.
Jack: I'll see you in a couple of hours.
Charlotte: Daniel, what's wrong?
Daniel: Charlotte, did you hear what he said? They're going to the Orchid. They're using the secondary protocol.
Charlotte: What are you talking about?
Daniel: We have to get off this island...right now.
Sayid: Hey! Over here!
Sun: Sayid, where's Desmond?
Sayid: He's fine, he's on the freighter. Listen, I'm going to start taking people back, six at a time. We have to go right now, before the helicopter gets back to the boat.
Juliet: Why do we have to go to the boat before the chopper gets back?
Sayid: Because the men on that helicopter have every intention of killing us all. ...What?
Juliet: Jack and Kate just went running after it.
Hurley: OK, let's say this greenhouse place does what you say and yeah, I get it, it's really dangerous and unpredictable but suppose..somehow it works and we move the island. Dosen't that mean the dudes with guns move too?
Ben: Yes, I suppose they would.
Hurley: Well isn't that, y'know, a problem?!
Ben: I'm working on it.
Hurley: Well what about me? I still wanna get off it!
Locke: I'm afraid it's a little late for that Hugo.
Ben: May I have the binoculars please? You might want to get down lower to the ground.
Locke: Why might we want to do that?
Ben: Because we're at the Orchid.
Charlotte: Is that from the chopper?
Lapidus (on SAT phone): We're still five clicks from the site!
Keamy: I said put it down Frank. We'll pick you up guys, as soon as we hit the ground we can go to the Orchid. Head down! Let's do this.
Jack: You know what the Orchid is?
Juliet: No, I didn't hear Desmond or Sayid either.
Jack: Kate! Wanna take a walk?
Kate: Absolutely
Jack: I'll get the guns, you get some water OK?
Kate: OK.
Juliet: You can't..possibly be serious. You just had surgery, Jack.
Jack: I'm fine.
Juliet: You're not going to be fine.
Jack: I can't just sit around waiting..
Juliet: Recovery is not sitting around.
Jack: I have to do this.
Juliet: Why?
Jack: Because I promised those people..that I would get them off this island.
Juliet: Don't bleed to death Jack.
Jack: I'll see you in a couple of hours.
Charlotte: Daniel, what's wrong?
Daniel: Charlotte, did you hear what he said? They're going to the Orchid. They're using the secondary protocol.
Charlotte: What are you talking about?
Daniel: We have to get off this island...right now.
Sayid: Hey! Over here!
Sun: Sayid, where's Desmond?
Sayid: He's fine, he's on the freighter. Listen, I'm going to start taking people back, six at a time. We have to go right now, before the helicopter gets back to the boat.
Juliet: Why do we have to go to the boat before the chopper gets back?
Sayid: Because the men on that helicopter have every intention of killing us all. ...What?
Juliet: Jack and Kate just went running after it.
Hurley: OK, let's say this greenhouse place does what you say and yeah, I get it, it's really dangerous and unpredictable but suppose..somehow it works and we move the island. Dosen't that mean the dudes with guns move too?
Ben: Yes, I suppose they would.
Hurley: Well isn't that, y'know, a problem?!
Ben: I'm working on it.
Hurley: Well what about me? I still wanna get off it!
Locke: I'm afraid it's a little late for that Hugo.
Ben: May I have the binoculars please? You might want to get down lower to the ground.
Locke: Why might we want to do that?
Ben: Because we're at the Orchid.
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Does Juliet say "Recovery is NOT sitting around" or am I mishearing? I wouldn't be surprised since she's also the one who once said your immune system is triggered making your white blood cell count plummet, but maybe I'm wrong.
Great sneak peeks ! I'm sure the season finale will be mind blowing !
Thank you for all the great effort you put to give us all these informations.
She means that he needs time to recover, which is not the same as just "sitting around". Sitting around implies that you're perfectly fine and doing nothing.
Someone say Orchid!!!?
wow, great sneak peaks!!!thanx dark!!!!!
"because we're at the orchid" - awesome, yaaaaay!!!!!!!
jack should take it easy - silly billy. juliet has reminded the viewers twice now that he might tear his stitches, so i think he will and maybe sawyer will help him back to the beach. that will be so sweet to watch. sawyer and jack being friendly to each other before jack leaves. ya never know, there might even be a good bye hug!! :)
Cor! this looks great!
I am totally gay for new Dharma stations. :)
Poor Hurley, sandwiched in between two "Chosen Ones".
The videos aren't there for me....
One word:
EPIC!
Any chance of a transcript pwease...!?
^_^
The Orchid!! ... And Jack running towards the bad guys with guns! And Ben being Creepy Leader Ben again! This is going to be amazing!
I can't wait for this, The Orchid is unstable and looks completely domolished, I wonder if it's more of a underground station.
And Kate acts like a little puppy again. Juliet is worried that his stitches will go up but Kate on the other hand is so freaking happy about being The Chosen One again she couldn't care less. As long as she is allowed to play in the same sand box as the A-team, right...
@crikey: every single one of your comments makes me LOL.
Great sneak peeks. Juliet is fast beginning to grate on my last nerve. If Jack wants to go haring off into the jungle, let him! Jeez, you're not his mum. I won't be sad if she gets offed any time soon.
Daniel needs a slap too (although I do love the mad scientist). Why do these people keep lying about what they know?
wow wow wow
I guess it's safe now to say Faraday was time travelling in his head. Just like Desmond. Except I think he did his little experiment on himself in 1996 and took notes about what happens in the future. I kind of thought that before, when we saw his notebook open and it said Desmond was his constant.
I'm also thinking that "moving the island" will upset the "future" that Faraday has visited. I'm scared for him.
That better not be the only Jack and Juliet scene... and she better NOT die! This is the first finale where I'm worried that my favorite character will die, its not a fun feeling!
So from the conversation between Ben and Hurley ("If we move the island doesn't that mean that the guys with guns move too?") we can predict that it really seems like there is going to be a real civil war on the island, right?
O6 leaves and the rest of them are either dead or stuck on the island with Keamy and his explosives.
No wonder Abbadon wonders if they are still alive and Charlie tells them they need to go back.
Please can someone post a transcript? I'm stuck in stupid work and can't listen to it and its driving me round the bend not knowing!
Much love!
@ Sanna,
Something tells me that if the O6 truly weren't supposed to leave there will be some "course correction" and they'll all wind up back on the island!
This is what I was waiting for!
Not that jack scene with sawyer and Kate that only made me mad cause jack is really stubborn.
Now I understand why Hurley said he shouldn't went with Locke, because now THEY CANNOT GET BACK!, the real meaning is that HURLEY wants to get back and because going with Locke feels responsible of not being able to go back.
That's the cause of all the suffering of the ones left behind, they all will have to deal with Keamy from now and so on.
This will be a civil war like someone said, and in the Jack - Locke war we are going to smash this blog discussing whether it was the right thing, to move or not to move the island
Yep I'm also scared Juliet may bite the island-dust yet I don't know why. As long as she takes Keamy with her.
...Oh whom am I kidding... PLEASE don't kill of Juliet Darlton!...
And I'm still not buying all this time travelling crap on Lost even though I'm a sucker for Sci-Fi elements. Just never thought it would be heavily featured on Lost. But I'll watch the show and enjoy it anyway!
Bring on the Finale!
Btw I'm new with the posting stuff, yet read your comments for 2 years or so. Visiting Darkufo's site is a daily habit and has been for a long time and I finally decided to participate in the comments and ofcourse the brand new Forum =)
Welcome achaeus! joined the fun last week,after reading comments and visiting site for ages-finally I could resist no longer! :)
Transcript:
Keamy (on SAT phone): Put it down over there
Charlotte: Is that from the chopper?
Lapidus (on SAT phone): We're still five clicks from the site!
Keamy: I said put it down Frank. We'll pick you up guys, as soon as we hit the ground we can go to the Orchid. Head down! Let's do this.
Jack: You know what the Orchid is?
Juliet: No, I didn't hear Desmond or Sayid either.
Jack: Kate! Wanna take a walk?
Kate: Absolutely
Jack: I'll get the guns, you get some water OK?
Kate: OK.
Juliet: You can't..possibly be serious. You just had surgery, Jack.
Jack: I'm fine.
Juliet: You're not going to be fine.
Jack: I can't just sit around waiting..
Juliet: Recovery is not sitting around.
Jack: I have to do this.
Juliet: Why?
Jack: Because I promised those people..that I would get them off this island.
Juliet: Don't bleed to death Jack.
Jack: I'll see you in a couple of hours.
Charlotte: Daniel, what's wrong?
Daniel: Charlotte, did you hear what he said? They're going to the Orchid. They're using the secondary protocol.
Charlotte: What are you talking about?
Daniel: We have to get off this island...right now.
Sayid: Hey! Over here!
Sun: Sayid, where's Desmond?
Sayid: He's fine, he's on the freighter. Listen, I'm going to start taking people back, six at a time. We have to go right now, before the helicopter gets back to the boat.
Juliet: Why do we have to go to the boat before the chopper gets back?
Sayid: Because the men on that helicopter have every intention of killing us all. ...What?
Juliet: Jack and Kate just went running after it.
Hurley: OK, let's say this greenhouse place does what you say and yeah, I get it, it's really dangerous and unpredictable but suppose..somehow it works and we move the island. Dosen't that mean the dudes with guns move too?
Ben: Yes, I suppose they would.
Hurley: Well isn't that, y'know, a problem?!
Ben: I'm working on it.
Hurley: Well what about me? I still wanna get off it!
Locke: I'm afraid it's a little late for that Hugo.
Ben: May I have the binoculars please? You might want to get down lower to the ground.
Locke: Why might we want to do that?
Ben: Because we're at the Orchid.
Please can someone post a transcript?
t.l.a-Thanks for transcript,no fun trying to guess what they might be saying! was spot on with what juliet might be saying though! :D
@t.l.a.
You always helping and doing great posts
thanks..
wrt Juliet's line that confused some people, you need to take into account what Jack just said:-
Jack: I can't just sit around waiting..
Juliet: Recovery is not sitting around.
All she means is that it would be "lazy" of Jack to sit around - because he's recovering from an operation. That is, nobody would think any worse of him if he stayed at the camp.
What amazes me about this scene is that Jin and others decide not to tag along this time... you'd think that he'd jump in with "I'm coming too" at least.
I have a feeling that Charlotte is going down. That would explain why Daniel cried in an earlier episode. He's in love with her!
michaelechon that was a flashback, not a flashforward.
The award for the nicest person on this blog goes to T.L.A!
You rule!
peewee- Don't forget that Dan's consciousness has jumped around in time. That could his future consciousness in the flashback.
That better not be the only Jack and Juliet scene... and she better NOT die! This is the first finale where I'm worried that my favorite character will die, its not a fun feeling!
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No it's not. :S Juliet better survive.
Wow! Great thanks very much!
I did not expect The Orchid to be a place that Keamy knows about!!:O
This is gonna be very exciting.
Also... I just LOVE the music that's playing in the Sayid/Beach scene... always gives me a Lost Finale feeling :D Very exciting! (Is it on 1 of the soundtracks btw?)
I'm only getting a black box, so cannot view. Thanks so much for the translations. You rock t.l.a..
Wow. Between yesterdays's clips and this one, I feel i i've seen half the episode. Thanks so much. I will be glued to my seat Thursday (not that there is anything unusual in that).
Who I hope will die in the finale:-
1. Juliet... she's just too damn annoying
2. Charlotte... likewise.
3. Jack... urgh. So boring...
Who I think will die in the finale:-
1. Juliet. She's so annoying because the writers have lost all uses for her other than as a whiner.
2. Sayid. I think he'll die in a flashforward beyond the season 3 finale.
3. Michael. Although it seems too obvious, I think now that he's in the coffin.
Why does it seem Jack is always wrong? I know he doesn't know what Keamy did in Otherville, but he just isn't using his head going after the helicopter. It's great to see Locke playing such a big role again. And I think the finale is going to be incredible. This season is just as good as the first season.
Haha, gribfritz, I thought the same thing.
God damn, I can't wait for this episode. The finale is going to blow us all away! :D
It's not always easy being a good patient when there's work to be done. Good man Jack.
That better not be the last Jack and Juliet scene. Poor woman...
If Jack and Kate were still at the beach, Hurley would never leave the island. It's interesting he still wants to leave but is hanging out with Locke and Ben. The Ben/Locke/Hurley Team is funny.
bob said...
Who I hope will die in the finale:-
1. Juliet... she's just too damn annoying
2. Charlotte... likewise.
3. Jack... urgh. So boring...
ummh im agree with the last one bob hes so boring i want smockey eats him :D
I agree with the last one also, Venus. I would prefer him to die rather than even Keamy whom I despise, but Keamy is never boring.
From what we have seen so far from this episode, Jack really isn't coming off very well. I really don't get why he is acting like such a jerk to Juliet. I guess that's just his way of saying "thanks for saving my life". Why do people like him? Is it just because he saved the day back in the pilot? I liked him too back them. Talk about going down hill fast, though. It seems that with each episode he just gets worse. At this point, Jack needs to be the guy to kill Keamy just to make himself tolerable again.
Thanks to everyone for the help with Juliet's line. Although the fact that anyone is confused by the line is a problem (I'm glad I wasn't the only one though). She should have said "RECOVERY isn't sitting around" or better yet, the line could have been "Recovery is not JUST sitting around." Her delivery of "Recovery is NOT sitting around" had the worst stress ever IMHO. Is it any wonder we watch episodes over and over again? Lol.
Prediction:
Jack rips his stitches and is in really bad shape by the time the rescue arrives. Because he is injured, his fellow Losties insist that he leaves with the first wave of rescued folks. This is really the only good explanation I can think of for why the leader would be one of the first to leave.
At least it's pretty much confirmed that the 06 don't leave the other survivors behind by choice, and why they couldn't go back for more people.
Locke moves the damn island right after the first 6 get ferried off, and there's no island in sight for them to go back to.
So we know:
1. Daniel knows about The Orchid and knows that it's the "secondary protocol."
2. Ben knows what The Orchid can do.
3. Keamy knows about The Orchid.
4. Sayid plans to take people to the freighter six at a time.
5. Hurley calls The Orchid a "greenhouse place" and says its dangerous, unpredictable and can move the island.
We don't know:
1. How Hurley gets back with the O6 since Ben says it's too late for him to get off the island?
2. Why the O6 are complicit in the lie about how they get off the island?
3. What's the deal with the thing on Keamy's arm?
4. Is Keamy going to The Orchid to do something to it or because he knows Ben will be there? If he's just after Ben, why didn't he go after him in the episode where he killed Ben's daughter?
5. Orchids are often grown in greenhouses. Is there something to that?
6. Who is the other "survivor" besides Jin that "dies" on the island. (The story that the O6 agree to says there were two survivors who did not make it.) Why did Jin's tombstone have the crash date if he was a "survivor"?
I dont get you people, you complain that jack is self-centered, arrogant, etc. etc. Well dont you remember last season when locke was acting the same way, but when he did it it was "oh hes just doing what he thinks is right for the island", have you ever thought that maybe jack is doing what he thinks is best for the losties. Its the same thing.
daniel should probaly tell jules whats up with the orchid, otherwise jins gonna break his fingers!!! lies and decite!!! i am most curious how hurley gets back to the beach. wondering if richard takes him.
@lhilbert85: didnt you know that jack cant do what he thinks is best for the losties?
he doesnt have a right to do that!
everybody can do stuipid things just because they think its the best for everyone or for themselves or for the island except jack!
he shouldnt do anything! he has to sit on the beach and wait for the rescue!
oh wait... they already called him an asshole just because he was sitting and waiting for the rescue a few episodes before!
if he sits and waits... he is an asshole for doing nothing!
if he actually tries to do something he is an asshole and an idiot for trying!
if he says he wants to get off the island he is a selfish jerk (coz obviously wanting to get off that creepy island is sooo selfish)!
if he says he wants to get everyone off the island he is an arrogant ass!
if he feels responsible for sayid and desmond being on that freighter -probably in danger that means he has a god complex!
if he thinks the promise he made to his friends is more important than his well being, he is a mean pig!
Why is Juliet useless? She knows the island better than the losties. She has more common sense than Jack. She's tough and we've seen a glimpse of her as an effective leader. And she's a trained surgeon. Damon and JJ wanted a female leader originally -- a character sketch between Rose and Kate. Juliet doesn't have Rose's spirituality or Kate's athleticism, but otherwise she's a natural leader.
Now that she gave Jack an out and dumped most of her romantic baggage, she can be the leader of the pack. I don't think her story is over, not by a long shot. Although given how badly she wants to get home, I do worry that her not being an O6'er spells trouble for her.
So were headed to the Orchid to move the island. As a bonafide Bubba, all this time travel alternate universe dimension shifting stuff is getting a bit heady for me, but then again I never could figure out why the other castaways didn't just fix the freakin' Minnow.
It wouldn't matter cause they'd just keep floating back in time, trapped in a "snowglobe" unless they used the correct bearings.
Well lets see how powers of deduction work:
01. Locke moves the island while Sayid is bringing the initial batch of survivors back, but before he can return for the second group.
02. Ben gets cut in the arm or grazed by a bullet just before using the orchid station, landing in october 2005 in Tunsia.
03. Locke somehow kills Keamy and his men?
The part with Daniel is interesting - why does he need to get off the island now all of a sudden? Maybe he knows the orchid will make it even harder to find the island, or there is some type of side effect to its use.
lhilbert85 said...
I dont get you people, you complain that jack is self-centered, arrogant, etc. etc. Well dont you remember last season when locke was acting the same way, but when he did it it was "oh hes just doing what he thinks is right for the island", have you ever thought that maybe jack is doing what he thinks is best for the losties. Its the same thing.
Locke is by far my favorite character, I'm Team Locke all the way but I agree with this comment 100%. Jack is the leader and is trying his best to help his friends...it's not like he doesn't know he shouldn't be moving around with those stiches. I guess Juliet hasn't been around Jack long enough to really know that Jack would gladly put himself at risk to help the other losties. I think this definitely gives weight to the thought that Jack's being one of those that gets off the island was because of a medical issue.
Wow, the scraps of info they are giving us are just mind-boggling. How the hell does Hurley get back to the beach in time to be on the first raft? If the rest of the survivors can't leave b/c Locke moves the island, why would future Jack and Hurley be so guilt-ridden? And the biggest one for me for weeks now... Why the hell is Hurley on the raft, not Jin? And then there's all the Orchid stuff that I can't even begin to contemplate, and the shifting leadership in the Ben/Locke/Hurley group...and the Others...and Keamey. ARGH!
I am on a committee that seems to be attempting to schedule a big meeting for Thursday the 29th. They'd better not expect me to be there!!!
Wow wow wow. This looks like an incredible episode. Considering they usually only show sneak peeks from the first few minutes of each show - this looks to be moving at a deliriously rapid pace. Can't wait to see how the pieces fall into place. It looks like the island will disappear/move after the O6 get off, leaving Keame & Co. with the losties and others on island, setting up for next season to begin with high tension. (Assuming Keame & Co. aren't killed in the finale).
My guess is the O6 will just be off island when Keame & Co. will have everyone pinned down in the Orchid, about to blow it up/kill everyone, when it's activated. We see the purple sky from the O6 point of view and the island disappears. TPTB will leave us hanging as to the fate of everyone on the island and the island itself until next season.
I'd love to see some screencaps of Daniel's notebook. I wonder if there are any clues or easter eggs there for us.
Does anyone else think this is the reason hurley is sorry for going with locke instead of jack??
cause moving the island caused not to be able to get back
You rock dark. Thanks.
Is that a mosquito on the page in Daniel's book?
There's going to be a big reunion on The Orchid:
-Locke/Ben/Hurley are there.
-Keamy and Frank are making their way towards the same place.
-Jack (probably with Sawyer) is following Keamy.
-Kate and Sayid maybe will join Richard and the rest of the Others to go there.
Are they going to make a Big Party??? Can I go?
Thanks for the screencaps, I was dying for those. What does "Space Like Factor" mean????
Poor Juliet!
Ooooh the Orchid!!!!!!!
*cannot wait*
Can we not do some sort of time-travel-thingie and make it Thursday already???
It looks so good!
please remind me what the orquid is or does???
did you hear what sayid said ? That boat only takes six people....the oceanic six get off the island on the boat?
Someone has got to steal Daniel's notebook! That probably has a ton of answers!
i hope it also contains his recipe for chicken salad, I've heard it is delicious.
I wonder where Faraday got his information about the island and it's stations. Widmore? Abbadon?
Just letting you know, they have the same videos in a higher definition on Eonline.com
Jack, Jack guess these stitches will tear, huh?
It would be nice if Daniel would share his information with the Losties at this point ;)
And if the O6 leave the island with Sayid’s boat, there has to be another person off island, because you can’t count Aaron then. He doesn’t need a seat for his own.
And yes, finally the Orchid! This episode will be so awesome.
luthien- Not trying to call you out, but Jack's really not acting rationally, and it' really hard to see how his actions could possibly be in everyone's best interests.
First, we see now that he knew Sayid and Desmond weren't on the chopper before leaving to meet it - so how exactly is confronting Keamy and Frank helping anyone? Granted, he doesn't know how nuts Keamy is or what he's done. So that begs the question, what exactly does he plan to do against this unknown factor? I hope he has a good plan (hopefully equal to last year's big set-up), but I really can't see how he could have formulated one with no information and while woozy from surgery, and within 5 minutes or so- much less how it could be something that would actually work, given what we the audience know about Keamy and Company. I just hope Jack doesn't screw around and get Frank killed, trying to be the hero. I'd be really upset.
Second, he decides to go after them anyway - with just a few guns and bullets, Kate of all people, and a freshly-stitched side wound - AFTER Sawyer tells him the chopper folk are armed to the teeth with guns and explosives. Once again, who does that help, and how? Unless the purple sky turned Jack into Superman, there's nothing he can do except get himself or someone else killed - and then who will heal up anyone else who gets shot or beat up?
Finally, Desmond and Sayid are the only two trained soldiers on the whole friggin island except Keamy and Co. Since when do they need Jack to take care of them? I think both can handle themselves very well, really, so it's once again not rational that he would think he needs to go protect them (especially since they're not on the chopper).
So, really, it seems like it's more a matter of saving face than saving anyone else, just like when he was chasing Claire through the jungle in Season 1, but had no tracking skills and no idea what to do - and Scott/Steve died for it, and Charlie almost died, and it didn't work anyway because Claire took care of herself (with Ethan's help). It's all in the wording: "I made a promise", not "Desmond and Sayid need me" (which of course they don't because they're not on the chopper anyway and if they were they're both MUCH tougher and more well-trained than Jack). It's all so self-centered and really without much thought as to the full consequences, and I guess that's what annoys people.
His previous efforts to get them rescued made sense - sitting on the beach was actually logical, given that he wasn't privy to the flashforwards or to the events in New Otherton. Taking everyone (EVERYONE) away from danger and up to the radio tower made sense - it was safest for everyone.
Tromping off half-high, bleeding from the gut, to face people that you have no idea what they're capable of (except mass murder and leaving the island, the 2 things you haven't done) does not make sense. Just as rummaging through a bag that falls from the sky and makes a BEEPING noise doesn't make sense.
But I guess we'll see what happens. Something has to work, because at least 6 of them get off the island. But I'm not sure whatever Jack does will be the thing that does it. Can't wait until tomorrow night!
@autumnatic:
BRAVO!!!!
autumnatic, i think what luthien meant was, that jack in his twisted way thinks that his acting on everyones best interrest. i say twisted because, this guy has alot of issues. Its like you said his actions are very irrational. for example last years finale he was trying to stop sawyer from going back to beach. he has no problem putting himself in danger, but hes always trying to stop others from doing the same. sometimes you think the fact that he is the only doctor and the only person who keeps these people together( well, not anymore)escapes his attention. its like he wants to be this leader who does everything for these people, but being a leader requires pragmatism and rationality. I know he is the morale center of the story(as darlton keep on saying), but jack is the must flawed character on the show. and his flawes keep getting more and more pronounced.
I never believed Aaron was considered one of the O6, ince really he wasn't born when the plne crashed. I think we will be suprised to find 1 more O6 in the finale.
Sayid says that he will take 6 people at a time. I heard that as 6 + Sayid. I wouldn't count Aaron as a full person, so there could be 7 adults + aaron. However, i would count Hurley as 2 or 3 people. Could be why there ar only the O6, instead of the O7 or O8.
Another thought is that they do fit 7 adults on the boat and Aaron and 2 of the people die. do you remember Jack saying in court that there were 8 survivors, but 2 died. Maybe the 2 got the sickness or something else happened to them.
Just a thought.
I think Jack and Juliet's scene comes before the one with Sawyer, so he still doesn't know about Othertown massacre.
I agree that he just can't sit on his ass and wait... I wouldn't.
Now, to invite Kate and not Jin..... less reasonable.. Triangle purposes and Aaron, I guess.
Locke is not coming to the beach, and if he doesn't go in the jungle, no meeting. He can't leave the Island without seeing Locke, can he? :)
lostaficionado said: "Now that she (Juliet) gave Jack an out and dumped most of her romantic baggage, she can be the leader of the pack. I don't think her story is over, not by a long shot. Although given how badly she wants to get home, I do worry that her not being an O6'er spells trouble for her.
ITA. No way she's dying. I don't love her particularly, but she's a great character.
@Autumnatic
Excellent post! ITA with you! Specially because there's a lot of people who don't seem to understand Sayid and Desmond are grown ups, who decided by themselves to go and, the great point you made, have military training. It's genuine to be worried but it's not to risk that way, specially with those stitches. Well, I suppose it's all about hating Jack...
BTW, hope Frank doesn't get killed, he's my favourite newcomer, I really don't want to see him go :(
I also hope Juliet isn't going to die, she's just an awesome, strong and confident woman who can definitely see things with a wide perspective and just as they are. She's not cold at all, she's just rational and telling Jack not to go, specially because she's a doctor, was the most rational thing to do, it's not about being annoying or whiny.
As obvious as it seems to be, I hope Michael to be the one who dies. At least, he's the only one I don't care about. I even give more about Keamy than him...
autumnatic, i hear what you say, and you might be true. coz jack obviously doesn't realize he's in the wrong and that having people leave the island is not the best move. but he will, as we saw last year in TTLG.
but there's 2 things in your comment I don't understand:
- you said: First, we see now that he knew Sayid and Desmond weren't on the chopper before leaving to meet it - so how exactly is confronting Keamy and Frank helping anyone?
=> I don't get it. where in that sneak peek do you see that he knows sayid and desmond aren't in that chopper? it's the contrary, and yesterday's sneak peek showed he actually think they are and that sayid dropped the sat phone so they can follow the helicopter. which is understandable, coz it actually is something sayid would do and there is no way he could imagine frank did it.
- you said: Finally, Desmond and Sayid are the only two trained soldiers on the whole friggin island except Keamy and Co. Since when do they need Jack to take care of them? I think both can handle themselves very well, really, so it's once again not rational that he would think he needs to go protect them
=> come on, are you saying that if your friends were in danger (and keamy is a great danger, you know it, which makes your comment a little weird to me), even if they are two military trained guys, you wouldn't want and try to help them?
everyone would have done the same, sawyer, kate, locke and even sayid and desmond.
Oh well, we will know very soon if Jack falls halfway and has to be carried by Sawyer back to the beach, or if he meets Locke, Frank and the chopper and brings back Hurley...
So many people are so busy to point out how irrational Jack is...
Come on, it is Jack. Of course he is irrational. You know him since season one. He always was. And there is no way he would not go after the chopper and his friends.
Many of you seem to dislike him because of his irrational behaviour. I love him because of that. If he would be always rational, Charlie would have died in season 1. And there are so many scenes like that. Sometimes he wins, sometimes he looses. That’s the way it is ;)
But Jack is besides Locke the most passionate character on the show imo. That’s what drives him. That’s what is causing him the biggest troubles but on the other hand it is what makes him so great. Of course just IMO ;)
Best group of sneak peeks this season...
The Orchid!
Daniel knows all about what is about to happen.
@TLA
i believe daniel gets his information in his journal from himself. like the way he wrote about desmond being his constant in his book.
he knows how to jump back and forth, atleast he will know. he just cant quite remember it on island, but abaddon sent him for a reason. he knew daniel had knowledge of said island. during "the constant" he found out about an island years b4 he went there. u know he had to study up on this "island" that desmond spoke of
mark my words
daniel faraday is in the coffin, he dies looking for his constant, which he remembered by looking in his journal.
he who finds the journal, finds the island.
"black rock journal" anyone?
the orchid will move the island somewhere cold
--thats why we will see that guy "henrik" in that ice station in the finale
-- i think thats the last place widmore left the island, thats why those 2 guys are stationed there at the end of season 2
-- when the island was there b4, polar bears wondered on to it, and when it moved to its current location it took the polar bears with it
-thats why ben is wearing a parka in the future, and if sayid knew the island was somewhere cold, widmore could beat it out of him, so ben lied
--either the polar bear was tested to transport in the orchid, and thats how it ended up in tunisia, or the island was once in that region as well and the polar bear wondered off the island and died in the desert after the island moved again
moriarty: I believe in the first of these 3 new clips, the beach people are listening in over the dropped satphone and hear Frank and Keamy arguing about where to put the chopper down. Someone (maybe Juliet) makes a point of saying that they don't hear any sign of Des or Sayid on board...that's what I was basing those statements on when I said he knows (or has good reason to know) that they're not on the chopper.
I guess that kind of takes care of the second point, too, although I will point out that oftentimes "helping" people who neither need nor expect help can backfire bigtime. Remember Kate going after the boys who were going after Michael? Classic case: Guys go after Mike when he's exactly where he wants to be, Kate goes after them when she's only a liability, and what happens? The Others get most of their gun cache. So I'm not suggesting that Jack be completely blase about the situation, just that he might do more harm than good going out there. I hope he doesn't, though.
carly: I definitely agree. Without passion, this show would suck. And we all know stupid decisions drive plots forward; otherwise there would be no conflict. I, personally don't dislike Jack, not really. He was ok with me until the past few episodes (getting all crazy on Kate in FF, trying to impress her in the operating tent).
I think the thing that annoys people is that he's coming off disingenuous right now. Everything he's said has been about him and his promise - not the actual needs of his people. It's all about him it seems, so far. And that's pretty crummy, considering people's lives are on the line and this - his first big mistake - could be his worst and last, you know?
Don't forget all the talk of something "seismic" during this last episode. I bet moving the island somehow triggers the volcano or some other potentially catastrophic event....
ana: Thank you! :) I was so scared I would get flamed to death for saying something about Jack; people are so "stand by your man" around here!
but it's not really about hating Jack, and (mne) I'm not saying he should just sit on his ass. I think a rational person would have tried to set up an ambush or something, like they did last season. Or used the satphones (isn't Charlotte's still working) to set up some kind of dummy trail or booby trap (because remember Frank's satphone can "see" theirs, now, too). That's "not sitting around" as Juliet said, but still actively doing something without risking your life and everyone's on the beach (what if there's an assault by water coming as well, which for all Jack knows, there might be - how will he get hem off the island then?)
How are you going to say Juliet is useless? Elizabeth Mitchelle's acting skills are ten fold that of Fox and Lilly. Jack and Kate have had few good episodes between the two. Kate is another Sawyer character except not funny. She's the most selfish person on the show and she's an annoying rat. Kate is the useless one...she brings nothing to the show.
Yeah, why is the a misquito drawn near The Orchid in Dan's notebook?
why does daniel know all this stuff? i'm starting to think he wrote this journal at a future time (or frame of mind or something). that journal has everything he wants to know in it. kinda like that box ben was talking about last season, no?
i'm glad juliet's not wasting any time on jack. he's cute, but a moron. and ben... i LOVE ben! he's the true gem of the show (after boone, of course.)
so uh, how about jacob being the 6th oceanic? heh heh.
faraday is memento...but instead of tattooing his body up, he puts it in his journal...
Just saw another sneak peak on Jimmy Kimmel a few minutes ago. It's the O6 on the plane right before it lands. Maybe I shouldn't say more. Just thought I'd mention there are more peaks out there.
Oh by the way Evi was the guest star on Jimmy Kimmel and she sat there eating a Subway sandwich during the whole interview. Never saw anyone do something like that on a talk show before. It was so funny to watch her chowing down.
Good call Ryan
and good prediction vandelay
I bet that is exactly what the season ending cliffhanher of LOST will be. Sayid will take 5 people to the freighter, and then he will come back for the rest, but the island will be gone.
---Ryan said...
Locke moves the damn island right after the first 6 get ferried off, and there's no island in sight for them to go back to.---
---vandelay said...
Jack rips his stitches and is in really bad shape by the time the rescue arrives... his fellow Losties insist that he leaves with the first wave of rescued folks. This is really the only good explanation I can think of for why the leader would be one of the first to leave.---
i think ben knows how to run orchid and first thing he will do is teleport Hurley back to the beach so he can get off the island with 06
I always like the screen grabs of maps, writing and techie stuff as it gives me the (misguided) idea that I might actually be able to work something out from them (I wish). No idea what the bug drawing is on the page with the Dharma symbol, but on pic 3 that looks like a lightcone Hawking spacetime diagram. For this read "Brief History of Time". Like I'm going to be able to figure any of it out, ha ha!
whats this
http://img375.imageshack.us/img375/3779/losttn6.jpg
Hmm, further to Faraday's sketch of a space time lightcone, what if the Orchid was a station with an immensely powerful gravity field capable of bending spacetime? I know I'm stretching things on the strength of a blurred sketch but remember the diagram was in Daniel's notebook near his pic of the Orchid and the fact that the island is on an magnetic anomaly. Could those clever chaps at Dharma have managed to create electromagnetic gravity and use it to somehow bend spacetime?
Probably not...