MAJOR FINALE SPOILER - I know this is not a full synopsis, but there have been some concerns about the finale being ruined so if you do NOT want the finale partly spoiled, then STOP reading and leave the SPOILERS SECTION.
**UPDATED** May 5th - Well once again another update from Ryan, apparently as many fans have mentioned or pointed out, Josh Holloway was NOT on set and it was Henry Ian Cusick's stand-in in the water. Sorry for any confusion. Here is Ryan's update:
UPDATE: Turns out the guy in blue I thought was Josh Holloway was in fact Henry Ian Cusick’s stand-in. Special thanks to the spoilerhounds at Fishbiscuit.com, who obviously know their hunks better than I!
**UPDATED** May 3rd 11PM PST - I am not sure if I missed this one last night or Ryan added a few more pics, plus perhaps you all alread have noticed this, but Desmond is also on set. Screencap added below.
**UPDATED** Ryan just messaged me saying that he thinks Daniel Dae Kim (Jin) was NOT on set. However, looking at the screencap posted it does look like him. So we can not say 100% that he was there, so sorry for any confusion.
Here is the latest filming updated for the season finale from our good friend Ryan from Hawaii Blog. It looks like the cast and crew were filming what seems to be the point the Oceanic 6 are trying to escape or get rescued. According to Ryan, all of the Oceanic 6 members were spotted on set as was Sawyer. Also, if you look closely you see someone that looks like Frank. I know director Jack Bender looks like Frank, but look at the cap below.
*UPDATED* Just posted a cap of what looks like Jin on set as well.
Here are Ryan's set report and photos.
Thanks to Lyly for the heads up.
As we draw nearer to the Season 4 finale, the “LOST” production crew is bringing the story ever closer to the pivotal moment when the Oceanic Six get off the island. To tell that story, they headed way out to Wai’anae, the arid, rural west coast of O’ahu. They established a base camp at Wai’anae Regional Park, and enlisted a handful of boats to carry equipment and crew across Pokai Bay.
The cast and their stand-ins took their direction on shore, then made their way into the ocean to film their scene. It was relatively simple in the narrative sense, but working on the water always makes things exponentially more complicated. Crew members had to keep a handle on a surfboard-riding director, hand held cameras and cameramen buffeted by the surf, a sound boat rocking on the waves, and keeping props from floating away. The primary prop? A large, octagonal life raft.
Action is called, and the stars get wet. Jorge Garcia, Yunjun Kim, Matthew Fox, Evangeline Lilly, Naveen Andrews and Josh Holloway swim toward the raft through some debris. In several takes, Hurley — clutching a doll that’s most likely playing Aaron — helps pull Kate, Sun, and Sayid aboard. But Jack and Sawyer take a little longer to reach them. And Sawyer is holding someone who’s not moving.
Who is in trouble? Exactly how did the Oceanic Six (plus one) end up in the water? Where are they? And how do they get from here to Hawaii? The answers will come soon enough!
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Woah!
This is the most excited I've been about any season finale! :)
I wonder if the person Sawyer is holding and I think it has to be Claire. Sounds very exciting and then what changes Sawyer's mind about leaving is it to do with the person he is holding or is it Jin he is holding? What is the debri, why on a raft and are they going to the frieghter? O.K. too many questions.
Looks like on the island you can heal very quickly from an appendix operation done with home made beach utensils and fertility doctors and nurses (Kate) who aren't qualified, Oh the mysteries!
here my spec
sorry i'm skater but you can see the kiss coming now...i'm sure
i think it's when sawyer chose to stay...i think too it's where the spectacular kiss will be they said not on the island it's not lol
and could be also the reason why hurley and sun are happy to don't see others o6...they abandonned sawyer and maybe claire...
arg i hate to love lost lol
Whats the point of having 10 sources if they never tell you any good spoilers... and how is this a major spoiler?
Will we ever get a actual full synopsis?
Um, this is a major spoiler because it reveals HOW the Oceanic Sic leave the island, and that SAWYER was with them!
That's crazy. It makes me look at the show in a whole new light.
OH dear lord! This is one amazing spoiler! THANK YOU so much!
... Sawyer DO get back to the beach and he is about to leave the island! What makes him change his mind?!
Can.Not.Wait!
I agree with Wolveman... I don't think this is a major spoiler.
We still don't know how they got off the island, we don't know who the person is that Sawyer has in his arms...
We don't know anything except that Sawyer is there.
The point isn't that it's a major spoiler, the point is that Spoilergate 2007 was a huge wank fest and Dark is just trying to warn people away from spoilers about the finale if they don't want any of it spoiled for them. What's the big deal?
I personally think it's a great spoiler. Thanks Dark and Ryan!
I wonder if the body that Sawyer's got is Claire...that would mean she gets back to the beach and I'm not sure that's going to happen. Could it be one of the Freighties?
Another death? AWW MAN!!
I think Sawyer has Claire, since that's who he's all about at the moment. Maybe the island does something to Claire to stop Sawyer from leaving the island.
Jack said it was Sawyer's choice to stay on the island. Maybe he goes back to the island and Claire is suddenly fine, but the 06 think she's dead.
MAYBE it's JIN that is dead!!!
I love seeing the stunt doubles with the actors. In the second photo, you see Jorge and his double (both putting their hair behind their ears - classic!). Also, in the first photo, you can see Lapidus and another guy that looks and is dressed just like him - his double or maybe Jack Bender? And Evangline Lilly on her cell phone.
Don't know why, but really loving this!
Well, I think that this isn't a major spoiler anymore. We all know that Sawyer chooses to stay on the island due to the last episode. I assume that it has something to do with Claire. Assuming he survives, I still say that a very well ungroomed Sawyer will be the first person they meet when they return to the island in season 6.
Wolveman91 said...
Whats the point of having 10 sources if they never tell you any good spoilers... and how is this a major spoiler?
Will we ever get a actual full synopsis?
Nicole said...
I agree with Wolveman... I don't think this is a major spoiler.
guys,
to clarify i am not saying i think this is a major spoiler, but just starting warn people that we are getting close to spoilers for the finale finale....
in the one week of covering for dark i have recd. several emails about making sure we warn for MAJOR spoilers...
i have seen this same sentiment on many spoiler sites/forums....
yes we know the O6 get off and do not know how....but the fact that sawyer, jin and frank are a part of this rescue/escape it a pretty big piece of information....
wolveman: dark will be back soon...like in any day and i am sure he will have plenty of more spoilers for all of you...
if dark has 10+ sources, well they trust him and we need to wait for him to return from his much deserved vacation to hopefully see if we get anything more...
as far as FULL synopsis, this is something that many spoiler lovers actually do NOT want to read, but there are still many of you out there that come here for that reason and i am sure you all will be happy soon...
keep in mind this is not as easy as we know something and we can tell you...sorry, but we do have to build trust in sources and many times we are allowed only to post what they tell us we can post...
for example....dark might tell me so and so will do this, but if he asks me not to say anything i won't...
i hope this helps to clear things up a bit....picking a line between what is a spoiler or NOT or a major one is relative...and after all this IS the spoilers section....
so people just need to be careful and patient at the same time... :)
thanks
the odi
wow, i am 100% sure that we're getting the spectacular kiss now! YAAAAAAAAY!!!!!!! and i hope that sawyer still gets off but isnt counted a oceanic 6. although maybe jack isnt aware that sawyer leaves cos otherwise he wouldnt have said sawyer chose to stay.
i think maybe sawyer changes his mind and stays and thats when him and kate kiss. :)
odi, do you know when we are getting any sneaks peaks for cabin fever? :)
There was a sneak peek on Jimmy Kimmel tonight when Damon and Carlton were on.
Thanks Ryan & ODI. Looks very interesting.
lyly and isabelle: your faith in skate and the spectacular kiss is v. endearing :)
If it is in the raft scene it could almost be like the end of Titanic with Sawyer hanging off the side of the raft before it floats away...maybe that would be just a little too cheesy though!
Thanks for replying Odi.
Just to make it clear, I'm not insulting Dark's sources, I'm just saying that I don't think this is a major spoiler.
You said "I'm not saying I think this is a major spoiler", so why is MAJOR SPOILER written beside it?
I just think that there's been far more spoilerish things in this section that havent gotten the MAJOR SPOILER tag and the little red spoiler triangle, which is what I'm questioning.
Plus:
"...but the fact that sawyer, jin and frank are a part of this rescue/escape it a pretty big piece of information...."
I don't see how it is.
Anyway, thanks for maintaining the site while Dark's away. :)
We know for a fact that the "spectacular kiss" happens off the island. We've also seen Jack and Kate nearly marry each other, so those two kissing wouldn't be a very big deal. Here are my favorite possibilities:
Sayid and Nadia
Desmond and Penny
Hurley and Starla
And that's in order from most likely to least likely, in my opinion. I'm definitely expecting it to be a Sayid and Nadia moment, but with this show, who knows?
I'd also like to say something regarding the confusion surrounding this "major spoiler".
Last year, spoiler sites were the subject of all kinds of finger pointing when it came to Through the Looking Glass being spoiled. It wasn't necessarily the spoiler sites' fault, but rather the readers who were posting spoilers in comments sections and forums all over the internet.
Whether or not this spoiler is major (which is a completely relative term, as The ODI stated above - what may be a major spoiler for some, could be a very minor spoiler for others) the warning is for those who don't want to be spoiled. The season finales usually have significant revelations of secrets and mysteries are therefore are treated somewhat more carefully than a typical episode, as far as spoilers are concerned.
What I'm seeing from this site is an attempt to avoid the heat that spoiler sites received last year as a result of posting finale spoilers, and I completely understand why you're doing it, ODI. Thanks for taking care of the site while Dark is on vacation!
Thanks Lily and The Odi for the update!
My speculations for the spectacular kiss in the season finale are
- Kate and Sawyer
- Ben and Juliet (before J dies, maybe killed by Ben)
- Des & Penny (unlikely)
god first the end of Jacket and now no sign of Juliet, sad, sad, sad
Isabelle: IDK....maybe today....wish I had more info, i have been wondering myself...
Mojave: If anyone has a link to the Jimmy Kimmel sneak please email or post it and I will get it up.
Nicole:
I have a different set of readers on my site than Dark does so I like to play it safe especially when we are dealing with spoilers for the finale or potential last scene of the season.
Like I said it is just a matter of an opinion, since MAJOR here (dark's site) would be like a death reveal or full synopsis or reveal of a secret scene...I can understand why you might not see this as MAJOR...but there are others out there that do and it is just one of those things...:)
As a blogger and one who posts spoilers I feel a sense of responsibility to not spoil someone who is a casual spoiler reader or that does not want to be spoiled...I know there are many casual spoiler readers out there and right when a plot point is revealed, well they are like where was the warning....!?!? :)
So my warning level may be way off for some, but I thinking knowing that the individuals mentioned above are at the point of rescue/escape does reveal a plot point. Sorry if I got your hopes up a bit...that was not my intent.
As I mentioned in my previous post I have recd. emails from some of the spoiler readers here saying that when will there be spoilers from the finale...!? Will we be warned if there is something major...!?
So I just want to play it safe.
Finally what would be a MAJOR spoiler based on some of things I have read and heard in the past well lets not go there...I think at this point if I found out the END of LOST, that would be a MAJOR spoiler...lol...
Thanks for the kind words Nicole, it has been a pleasure to post for all of you here over the last week and I will still be on board to post anything when Dark is sleeping in the UK and I am awake in the US.
So you guys are not going to get rid of me that easily... ;)
ODI
Although it's hard to judge a scene like this out of context, I'm a bit disappointed about them getting away on a life raft.
So I'm thinking this a foiler at this point. Is there a possibility this could be a decoy filming for the finale?
"Although it's hard to judge a scene like this out of context, I'm a bit disappointed about them getting away on a life raft.
So I'm thinking this a foiler at this point. Is there a possibility this could be a decoy filming for the finale?"
C'mon buddy, don't be ridiculous.
i consider this as a major spoiler. mainly cos i have been waiting so long for a sawyer finale spoiler and this is a great one!! :)
its all down to interpretation really and thats why it has to have major spoiler warning on it - cos for some people it is. :)
Please do tell me how that is ridiculous. They've done it before.
@ ben: right on!!! awesome job odi...and after people have been warned there is really no room for confusion :)
@ elisabetta: ben and juliet (that would be a wacky twist..and a little disturbing)
I love the fact Jorge's stunt double sees fit to imitate Hurley even when the cameras ain't rolling ;)
Octagonal-shaped raft - nice touch.
That's Jeff Fahey without a doubt, his stunt double is also present so it looks like we're gonna see Lapidus in the thick of the action. Heroics perhaps?
I wonder how Hurley made it to the raft first, especially as he is holding Aaron...ooooh I'm so excited for the finale!!!
Here is my guess on what happens during this scene....I think that the helicopter crashes...hence the debris & the reason they are swimming to a raft that would probably be aboard a helicopter or airplane. What do you all think?
--- T.L.A. said ---
Octagonal-shaped raft - nice touch.
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I never even noticed the number of sides on there when I looked at the pics!
Since you didn't formally do it, I'm calling it: DHARMA to the 'rescue'!
(Which, of course, turns out to be nothing more than a heavily shady cover-up.)
The body can't be Claire because EDR hasn't been in Hawaii for some weeks
maybe the body is jin? if he has been spotted on location then maybe sawyer is tring to save jin, but for some reason, they have to go back. or maybe its jack that sawyer is holding? we know jack has just come out of surgury so is bound to weak and not strong enough to swin so maybe sawyer just helps jack out?
@ Isabelle
Sawyer saving Jack therefore proving Kate's line from TTLG wrong?
"Why are you sticking up for Sawyer? He'd never do it for you."
That would be awesome :)
@ Christamc
I think you're right. The promo for Cabin Fever shows the people on the beach looking out to sea accompanied by the sound of a chopper. They look expectant. But some promo photos show the same scene only with looks of concern on their faces. I think for some reason the helicopter crashes in the ocean.
I really hope Lapidus survives the finale :/
Can you please put this spoiler behind a button so one of us who would rather remain spoiler-free for the finale don't accidentally see the pics or read the text?
Thanks
OMG!!! Thank you Odi, awesome news!
Not only because the character I'm obsessed with (LOL XD) will definitely have an important role but also because seems like Frank will stay on the island and that would be great as I really want to know more about him... YAY!
Sawyer helping Jack?
@Isabelle and T.L.A.
You're so right, Sawyer saving Jack would be way more that I could ever ask for and therefore, AWESOME!
Now it makes sense. Sawyer and Jin are the "other two" Jack mentioned at the trial who "don't make it".
Jin will die if Sawyer doesn't take him back to the island. He makes a very heroic and self sacrificial choice.
Now that is the Sawyer I am coming to know and love.
Eli, coul'd you explain me your post? I dind't understand hehehehe
"My speculations for the spectacular kiss in the season finale are
- Kate and Sawyer
- Ben and Juliet (before J dies, maybe killed by Ben)
- Des & Penny (unlikely)"
And how about Jack and Kate? The big kiss will be off island!
@Ana Paula
Sawyer and Kate are off island too; in the middle of the ocean close to the raft! :D
ana paula - i think the reason elisebetta left jack and kate off the list is because it is unlikely to be them after Something Nice Back Home. not to say they wont kiss again, just that it wont be the season finale kiss.
i the kiss will be one for the skaters! but thats just my opinion. :)
Transmission Ryan has said that EDR is in 4.11, but she is not in the promo photos for 4.12 that show both Kate and Sun holding the baby in different shots on the beach.
Also, there was the photo that looks like EDR at the cabin.
I'm thinking we're going to see EDR go to the cabin in 4.11, something ambiguous will happen, the O6 will not know where she is at the time the rescue/escape starts, and she will not be in 4.12, 4.13 or 4.14.
Just a guess.
Wow it's hard to believe it is almost Finale time again!
If Sawyer and Jin are there I wonder what happens that they don't get rescued?
As for the kiss, I really hope it does not involve anyone in the triangle. Both Kate and Jack and Kate and Sawyer have had their moments. For it to be spectacular, it better be a different couple. Maybe a couple we wouldn't expect!
I don´t think it´s Jack who Sawyer is holding. Even though it proove Kates line wrong "He´d never do it for you", why should he swim back to the beach after bringing him to the raft.
There must be another reason and he´s either just helping someone injured/unconcious to the raft and made his decision to stay before that or his decision to stay would be made in last second just to bring that person back. That would be very heroic and IMO it would put Jacks future behavior in a bad light. Would he really be mad at Kate for doing Sawyer a favour if Sawyer himself did stay for such an unselfish reason? I doubt that.
Probably Sawyer decided to stay before swimming out. I believe they (Kate and Sawyer) say goodbye for good and that´s when he´s asking her for that favour.
I can't see em' paddling to Fiji so I guess the raft then makes it to the freighter afterall, barring another boat suddenly turning up. I got a vibe from the latest promo that Gault may have had his sympathies swayed toward the losties, although those promos always seem almost purposefully misleading :/
It's most likely that this is real, but does anyone feel that this may be a decoy shoot? It's been said in the past that they have started shooting decoy scenes because important information from the first 2 seasons got out to the public before it aired. There's a possible chance that they were filming other scenes and decided to shoot this possibly knowing it would leak on the internet.
I don't know, but I think Gault is not a bad guy... he's definitely not a saint but I don't think he's as bad a Keamy the frog... XD
Um...so wheres the spoiler? They leave on a raft? Is that it? In terms of everything that's been said about the finale so far, the info in this article is nothing.
The mechanism by which they leave the island has only been speculated about up to this point.
@captaintek3304
Well, this spoiler proves that Sawyer gets back to the beach and even decides to go back but that something happens that makes him stay.
I'm very happy that Odi decided to put a Big Spoiler Warning-sign on this one. This is a major spoiler, especially for people who wants everything happening in the finale to be a surprise.
I don't think that is Jin on the set. The guy in the close-up shot is the same shirt-less guy wearing board shorts in the first picture, and that definitely isn't him. (plus where would Jin have gotten board shorts) . . . there seem to be random sun-bathers around, like the guy in the background of the jet ski picture, so he is probably just a random
@d comnpetely agree we won't know about Claire till next season! Goes with Darlton saying some of the characters fates will be clear and others will not by finale.
I agree with whoever said it was disappointing to see that strange looking raft is how they escape. It's kind of like, "Really, that's the best you could do?" It's kind of been there done that with Michael's raft. Haha.
And I am speculating that the spectacular kiss will not involve anyone in the triangle - I'm guessing it is between people we would least suspect. I would be so let down if it was Jack and Kate after this week - and if it were Kate and Sawyer too. Since the kiss has been said to be off island, this would be the only way Kate and Sawyer would be awesome in the spectacular kiss.
ODI:
I for one really appreciate everything you've done, you've kept this site alive and kicking and I thank you tremendously.
I agree that it doesn't look like jin in the picture, plus the photo is too small to make that assumption
ODI,
There are a bunch more photos at http://www.flickr.com/photos/hawaii/2461285942/in/photostream/ - that one and the next show Jack in the water yelling and looking around for someone, probably. And there's a great one of Hurley pulling Kate into the raft and Sayid and Sun in the water.
Wow! This is exciting stuff, I can't wait to see it. :)
Sawyer's going to do something incredibly selfless and heroic, I'm sure of it. I don't believe the person he's helping (who isn't moving) could possibly be Claire. They would have made room in the raft for her for sure, even if one of the men had to give up his place for her. So my guess is that it's Jin, and he won't just leave him behind and abandon him. Jin is one of his original raft buddies. I think these scenes will be exciting and heartbreaking, all at the same time.
As to Kate's comment to Jack about how Sawyer "wouldn't do it for you", I think we clearly know she's wrong based on the excellent scene wherein Sawyer told Jack about his conversation with Christian in Australia. IMO, Kate has always underestimated Sawyer's capacity for goodness.
Odi - Thanks very much for looking after the store so well while Dark was away. I totally agree with your call to mark this as a major spoiler. Better to air on the side of caution, I think.
I believe they (Kate and Sawyer) say goodbye for good and that´s when he´s asking her for that favour.
Him swimming out to the raft to say goodbye and ask her to look in on his kid would be a pretty touching scene. : )
According Darlton on Kimmel last night, there are going to be several kisses in the finale. So in true Lost fashion I'm guessing that you the viewer get to determine which one is indeed spectactular. ; )
Could be SPOILERISH
If you watch EP 4 The trial seen...the lawyer asks Jack 'Do you love Ms Austin' and Jack answers 'no...not anymore' then it cuts to the present and guess whayt...the first face that appears is Sawyer's
Could THIS scene be taking place AFTER the last flashback in Ep10 in which Jack and Kate brake up?
i think this is a major spoiler.. should be a GREAT episode
Methosrock said: "Kate has always underestimated Sawyer's capacity for goodness"
Very much, sadly. She has also understimated the love he feels for her. I'm not saying this as I dislike Kate, nothing farthest from the truth, she has helped him a lot to bring out all those good things he has (Hurley too). I'm also not trying to say he's perfect either, he has comitted many mistakes.
I'm just saying the way Sawyer looks at her, or how his eyes change when he talks about her (remember his conversation with Karl) show he has very deep feelings for Kate. She, on the other hand, has feelings for him, but not as deep. I suppose that in most relationships there's always someone who loves more.
What I like is that he knows this and even perhaps he always will be there for her, is not willing to take it without saying a word about it. That's why she slapped him in Eggtown, because she knows his words were true and that makes her feel guilty.
Um, I'm not sure why any Skater would think that the kiss is going to be between kate and sawyer. Did you not see "something nice back home" Kate is so happy with Jack, she has finally learned to settle down. Jack thinks she's pining for sawyer back home but she's just helping him get a message to his daughter or Cassidy. Kate wants to be Jacks wife, she could care less about Sawyer. The triangle is dead. Please get over that.
I'm couldn't care less about the whole shipper thing but I totally disagree with the above comment.
Kate promised Sawyer she'd do something for him so she obviously still cares for Sawyer.
And did YOU not see TTLG? Kate and Jack obviously don't stay engaged for very long.
I think she has feelings for them both and I can't see anything weird in that assumption. She only wants to live a happy and normal life, she wants that thing she lost when she was a child that's a guy who's there for her (dad image). Jack offered that to her at first but then later ruined it all.
"Kate wants to be Jacks wife, she could care less about Sawyer. The triangle is dead. Please get over that."
lmao! in case you didnt notice, jack and kate had a huge fightm in which they potentially BROKE UP, and it was over sawyer! her promise to sawyer was more important that her openness and honesty with jack. and for the record, darlton have said over and over again, the triangle is not over! we all know that the triangle will continue til the bitter end and we accept that. clearly you dont.
kate is with jack in the future cos sawyer isnt there! if he was, do you think she would be with jack still? maybe, maybe not. also, i dont think the kiss is a future kiss, so it will be before all the jate stuff.
if you are a jater, are you actually happy how they condensed the whole thing down to a 42 minute episode? they left out all of their "firsts", there was no "I love you", he proposed to her in what can only be described as the leats romantic way possible,a nd his moives for it were only so he can prove hurley wrong and be a dad to aaron.
and she is clearly still in love with sawyer or she wouldnt have put him before jack in the last flashforward.
dont mean to start an argument but jeez, people like you annoy the f**k out of me. why do you feel the need to tell people "get oveer it"?
Jack began being very Sam Austen and ended it up like Wayne Janssen.
You know, I have a hard time getting why Jaters are so happy about what they got. I know they're always proclaiming that Jack/Kate are the only true relationship, but I think this episode proved exactly the opposite.
They supposedly build up the great love of Jack and Kate and don't even show them making love for the first time? They don't even show them cuddling in bed the morning after. That's the key moment in any real romantic relationship and Lost just skipped past it, and I don't really think they'll be doing another fast forward/flashback to show it, since there'd be no point by then.
Then there was Jack's proposal, which came after Hurley's creepy warning and spotting the ghost of his dead daddy. How romantic...NOT! Followed by Jack and Kate breaking up because she was doing some favor for Sawyer which made Jack go ballistic. Hey, Jack, he's on the island. He's no threat to you.
Jack/Kate relationship gets 1 episode before they break-up. Sawyer/Kate get a season and a half before they break-up. No scene of Jack/Kate's first time making love, while Sawyer/Kate got that, cuddling afterwards and declaring their love for each other. Yet, Jack and Kate are the only true pairing? I don't think so.
To be honest, I'm shocked. I always figured the writers had a major jones for Jack/Kate, but after this I don't think they do.
ok. after watching the two released scenes for "cabin feaver" i am thinking that the octagonal raft is the zodiac raft that gault has onboard the freighter... dunno why desmond isnt there....
UNLESS.... des is the body being held by sawyer.... H.I.C. did say there was a big shocker for des in the fanale....
Ok, now being very honest, I think the problem resides in the lack of chemistry between Matthew Fox and Evangeline Lilly... is like they didn't count with that and now can't find a way to make them look natural together. I say this because I think Kate was always supposed to end up with Jack but now I really doubt it.
On the last episode they managed to deliver some chemistry but it was very much a forced thing.
On the other hand, Evangeline and Josh Holloway have an amazing chemistry, they exude lots of passion and that would very much explain why they were kissing, having cute moments, sex, etc, etc, since the beginning. It really worked between them, they have even said that in the interviews, (even Dominic said it too), and at the same time they developed a very good frienship behind the cameras, which created confidence between them.
Of course, this doesn't mean they're going to end together either. She could very much end up with Jack, but they have to work a lot on the issue.
oui.
you can see other simmilar life rafts here...
http://www.japanmarine.jp/plastimo.html
@Two Guys Podcasting
I think you're right, that makes sense given the fact Desmond doesn't seem to leave with the O6.
How did this end up being some triangle debate? lol. I'm saying *1* thing about it (just to correct something previously said) and that's it.
Kate never said ILY to Sawyer. He's the one who made the love declaration, not her.
Okay, so there...I've said my peace.
Now, this filming scoop is interesting. I bet that Jin is the person that Sawyer is taking out to the raft. Something must happen to cause Jin to not get on that raft. Poor Jin :(
@Elyse007
Yeah, Kate never said "I love you" back to Sawyer, she stayed in silence and then gave him a kiss. After that, Sawyer, compliantly said: "I love you too"
I'm getting sick of "shippers"... Damn it. Am I the only onw who wants to know that happens in the war Linus vs Widmore? Who the f**k cares about Juliet, Jack, Kate, Sawyer? C'mon. The show got a whole lot better when Ben and the whole "war theme began...
@Ana
I, unfortunately, remember that scene. The purpose of the first part of my original post was to correct something previously said and I did just that. I don't want to argue with anyone about the Sawyer/Kate ship.
I think a lot of people here are more than tired of the same debates over and over and over again. I have my couple preference and I find it pointless to constantly debate with the other side about it. Emotions run high, nasty comments sometimes slip out due to anger...and for what? A fictional TV show? It's not worth it.
Now, if anyone wants to talk "Jin" with me, I'd like that :) The guy was awesome last eppy with his threatening Charlotte and all. I just hope that he doesn't die in the finale.
"Am I the only onw who wants to know that happens in the war Linus vs Widmore? Who the f**k cares about Juliet, Jack, Kate, Sawyer? "
No, trust me, you're not the only one. Actually, I'm reading about Widmore right now. About the second question, well, as you can see, many of us also care about what happens to them.
Why don't you try to begin a discussion on the Widmore and Linus subject by making a question or exposing your thoughts instead of complaining about shippers? I could follow you then ; )
@Elyse007
Relax. I was doing nothing but supporting what you said. I was actually going to point it out before anyway ;)
About Jin... wow! I was impressed by the way he talked to Charlotte, the fun thing is that poor Daniel would be the one to pay... I think he could break his fingers very easily.
I was able to tell Charlotte understood what Sun and Jin were saying because she kept looking at them in such an obvious way...
Jin rocks, by the way. I'm glad that he has changed because at first I couldn't stand him. The conversation they had after the whole lover thing was one of the sweetest ever.
I don't think he's going to die anytime soon, the way Sun asked for him when she was in labor is like she knows he's still alive.
@Ana
I've been thinking about Jin's fate and perhaps Sun thinks that he dies in the finale, but he actually lives. Maybe Sawyer takes him back to the island and it heals whatever is wrong with him. The island cured Rose's cancer and Locke, so why not Jin too?
That would explain the scoop that Dark confirmed and what appeared like Sun truly grieving at Jin's grave in her FF.
@Elyse007
That's what I thought at first, but when Two guys podcasting talked about Desmond as the body being held by Sawyer and it made a lot of sense to me. First because I wonder why did Desmond seems to stay, more after he talked to Penny on the freighter? I know he could be leaving and not being called an O6 because he wasn't on the plane but what about the big shocker for Des on the finale?
Now, then I also wonder why did Jin stay? It makes no sense as he's leaving his soon to be a mother wife... I just hope there are no more "major" deaths, at least on this season. I follow you on the comment you made about the island curing whatever they have. (PLEASE)
Two guys podcasting talked about Desmond as the body being held by Sawyer and it made a lot of sense to me.
Ryan has updated his original report, and apparently the guy he thought was Josh Holloway is really HIC's stand-in. So the guy who is dragging lifeless person with Jack is Desmond, not Sawyer.
I'm guessing the 8th person is indeed Jin.
Well, that changes the game again XD
So, the assumption that Sawyer and Claire don't make it to the beach is still alive, hahaha... It's so funny, I was convinced of this first, then changed after the ABC promo but then the screen capture resulted to be part of TTLG, so I went back to it and then this post comes and Sawyer is there on the pictures... so I throwed the supposition to the trash can again and now took it to smooth it out again... LOL
This whole discussion about a "spectacular kiss" taking place is so lame. First of all mentioning it by producers takes it out of the “spectacular" category. Now, with all these discussions it makes it even more lame and very cop out or not anything spectacular.. These producers should keep their mouths shut. No podcasts. Complicated show like LOST becomes so less average, almost like a B movie every time I see these 2 producers and their Podcasts. Let it be guys. You have and are ruining the show, not to mention that you have fallen on your face more than once. I know you want the spotlight, (I've never seen this in any show ever).. Two producers craving for the spotlight, becoming household names. Can't they see how much this has hurt the show? Or, they do, but they just don't care? Besides it takes the flavor of being an excellent TV Show out. We all know now by everything which has been written, they have stolen plot lines from so many novels and movies and made LOST. By adding Flash Forwards makes them "genius" writers" I don't think so. Even the opposite. It will ruin the show in the Long run and make it like Orsen Wells "Time Machine", every zombie movie that has been made, "From Dusk Till Dawn”, The X-Files, The Twilight Zone, Ghost Whisperer, Supernatural, and a lot more. It beginning to look as "Not An Original" Fiction TV Show. For me, the producers are to blame, their unnecessary podcasts, and everything, and with a lot of plot likes they haven't delivered on, after misleading us, after they promise them.. In 2010 you'll all remember my words and agree what I'm saying is correct. I'm sorry but that's a fact... I really , really liked LOST, when it started, but now it has become very cheap story plots. They say they want to finish LOST and feeling they have “satisfied” their viewers. Hmmm, when, last Episode of the show? I haven’t felt satisfied with Lost since the very beginning. I kept watching because of their misleading us. Waiting to see what will happen, with something they promise, but sadly most of these promises I’m still waiting. One episode shows you something and in the next one is like a total different show. This Kate, Sawyer, jack bull is so lame that I am surprised that you are all falling for it. You have formed groupies, Jack – Kate, Sawyer-Kate…, bringing Juliet in only to have the story line change by the next episode. In one Episode, (This Last One) Jack has a relationship with Kate for ONE EPISODE only while they Sawyer-Kate towing with us type of a relationship with much more intimate love scenes for 1 ½ Seasons. To me that is VERY LAM and I don’t buy it!!!!!
O_o
Ok, you really really liked Lost when it started but you also say you haven't been satisfied with it since the very beginning... and you keep watching because they're misleading us...
Don't keep wasting your time, I recommend you to stop watching it and wait until the grand finale in 2010.
I think it's a major spoiler !!
Here is my theory:
i think it's jin that sawyer is holding and he will bring him back to the beach. The O6 will believe tat he is dead but he will be alive with sawyer on the island.
In my opinion sawyer chooses to stay because he wants to find claire since she desepearded.
But so many questions again: what happened to desmond, rose bernard, juliette and all the people who don't appear in this scene.
I reallyenjoy this spoiler but i would like to have more details on sawyer possible secret scene.
So, Dark, do you know who´s swimming towards the raft with holding a not moving body - Sawyer or Desmond?
I think Sawyer will make it back to the beach, cause somewhen he´s asking Kate to do this favor for him.
There´s one thing I noticed for all shippers.
Everytime there´s a scene with an intimate moment for Kate and Jack the music is kind of drastic. No "sweet violins", nothing harmonic. In this epi they used the same music as in the first kiss scene when Kate ran away. It´s unharmonic and threatening and makes me shiver.
Everytime we saw an intimate scene between Sawyer and Kate the music illustrated that in a very sweet and positive way. I thought to hear things like relief/ease and tenderness in it.
Don´t know if this means more than just an accustic illustration of te moment, but as both musicthemes are used repeatedly, I tend to see them as very significant for the quality of both relations.
So, i think that the sequence of events is:
-Frank, Desmond and the Oceanic6 leave the Island in a chopper.
-The chopper crashes into the ocean.
-Frank is hurt/dead (Desmond is holding Frank).
So, Desmond gets out off the Island and Frank maybe dies!!! I hope to be wrong, because I want these two characters alive and on the Island.
"So, i think that the sequence of events is:
-Frank, Desmond and the Oceanic6 leave the Island in a chopper.
-The chopper crashes into the ocean.
-Frank is hurt/dead (Desmond is holding Frank).
So, Desmond gets out off the Island and Frank maybe dies!!! I hope to be wrong, because I want these two characters alive and on the Island."
what about sawyer? he is there too. he is the one holding to body that isnt moving.
Isabelle, that's apparently not Sawyer, it's Desmond. Ryan seems to have confused Josh Holloway and HIC's stand-in. (No idea why, as the shirt is a bit of a give-away)
It doesn't sound like Sawyer is even there. He may be up at the Temple, since Jack said Sawyer chose to stay.
If Josh Holloway was there, people might not have recognized him. I remember Kristen said one cast member couldn't appear on camera because of an altered state and in a TV Guide intereview with Darlton JH asked if Sawyer could get a haircut and they said Sawyer would get his haircut. And I think it's going to be a really short haircut.
looks like sawyer to me. des is wearing beige combat pants, whereas the person in the water is clearly wearing jeans. its sawyer!
so it wasnt sawyer but desmond!
interesting...
i was wondering where desmond was... now im happy :)
now there are 2 questions:
whose body is desmond carrying? and will desmond get off the island too?
@isabella: no sawyer wasnt there ryan said he just made a mistake...
here's what he posted on thefuselage:
Bad news for Sawyer fans and "Skaters." Turns out the guy in blue I thought was Josh Holloway was in fact Henry Ian Cusick’s stand-in. Special thanks to the spoilerhounds at Fishbiscuit.com, who obviously know their hunks better than I! I went back through my photos and indeed found Henry Ian Cusick's unmistakable profile... and as the Fishbiscuit.com posters noted, that blue shirt is Desmond's trademark.
Someone please tell me that stand-in looks like Josh Holloway. Otherwise, I'm more blind than I thought.
Well, I think the favour Sawyer's asking from Kate is something kind of important and goes beyond Cassidy and Clementine. First, he doesn't want Jack to know, it takes Kate to invest quite some time.
So, at the end, when they discuss the subject, the way Kate asks him to trust her is like she has this important something, something she can't tell Jack... Do you think she would sacrifice her new found happy family because of something as simple as making Sawyer the favour to help him with his ex-girlfriend and daughter? I mean, if it was that, I would have told Jack since the beginning because, seriously, it would be stupid if someone gets mad for something like that.
So, after Jack pressures her, she tells him she's doing the favour but won't tell him about what it is, as broke as her heart will end.
I also think that Sawyer doesn't make it to the beach because he will be looking for Claire, that's his main objective now. I mean, he even sends Aaron to the beach with Miles! So, maybe Sawyer will really get the way to communicate with Kate in the future and ask for that big favour. So, when Jack tells Kate that Sawyer made his decision to stay, he's talking about that moment they split in Jack-camp and Locke-camp.
i'm so pissed off now. if sawyer doesnt play a huge role in the finale then i am done with lost. sawyer has been extremely underused this season, and then i had to put up with the crap that was last week epi. i am seriously going off lost now. no amount of locke, jacob, smokey (i love the misteries) could make up for the way us sawyer fans have been let down.
ana - i agree. the cassidy thing would be too simple and would be soemthing that she would have done by now.
Isabelle, don't worry, as things are developing, Sawyer will have his share in the finale, maybe nothing to do with the O6 and the rescue but more into the island and it's secrets. Remember he's supposed to be part of some kind of shocker and I definitely think he will have a lot of things to do in the future island.
BTW, something makes me think the favour has a lot to do with Aaron really. Remember he's not supposed to be raised by anyone else but Claire and the island has been sending this warnings through Charlie. Sawyer had to stay with Aaron until he found Claire but as he sent the baby to the beach with Miles, he, unknowingly, made a big mistake.
That would be one hell of a favour, there's no easy way of going back to the island... maybe we will see Malkin after all.
ana - i know, but i cant help but feel that tptb are serioulsy taking the piss out of sawyer fans (and skaters). where has sawyer been this season? he hasnt had a centric since early season 3. what about the spectacular kiss? if sawyer isnt there, then it will be jate AGAIN!! although, if des gets off, then at least it could be des and penny.
sawyer is overall the most popular character. maybe not on this site, but on all the rest, and his fans deserve alot more than we have been given.
its funny yesterday, i was trying to cheer up sawyerrules, and now i totally feel how she did. :(
Ana, I think it involves Duckett. When Sawyer first came to the island he was haunted by killing an innocent man he was tricked into thinking was Sawyer. And that's definitely something Sawyer wouldn't want anyone to know.
Duckett was an American, so maybe he has a family back in the US. Also, I think Sawyer felt the matter was settled with Cassidy when he arranged all that money to be sent to her child.
Yeah, girl, I know exactly how you feel. I'm a big Sawyer fan too, hahaha... Even is he's not having much time, he's definitely present, even in the future ;)
I think that we haven't seen a flashback this time because, finally, he's getting his redemption. I mean, he's one of the characters with the biggest change on the show (a change to good, I mean) and I certainly think he has a natural comunion with the island, that natural that is almost imperceptible to the senses.
And well, he's being a hero right now, he doesn't care about rescue anymore, he has more important things to do :)
@Sockerock
Maybe, that could be a possibility too... even if he cleaned it up with Duckett through the boar, maybe Duckett wants him to do a favour to his family for him... Kate would need a lot of time to investigate where his family is, etc... I lay more to the Aaron thing but I like your theory too :)
isabell said:
sawyer is overall the most popular character. maybe not on this site, but on all the rest, and his fans deserve alot more than we have been given.
its funny yesterday, i was trying to cheer up sawyerrules, and now i totally feel how she did. :(
yeah, isabelle...The truth is that in a lot of sites Sawyer is the most beloved character of the show, he's almost dissapeared this season and the ratings are going down every week, last episode was a disaster...then why hasn't Sawyer more screentime? I just can anderstand this if here is a disagreement between the producers and Josh. Maybe its something like that or maybe not but I,m thinking this now. I'm still waiting for the finale if we won't have a great thing about Sawyer I'm done with the show.
sawyerrules - ya know, we are probably gonna get called pathetic, but i know for a fact that there are some people who only watch for jack and have told me that if jack absent, they dont bother with the epi. so thats just as bad really.
i cant understand it either. where the f**k has sawyer been all season and why has he been so underused? and why is there so much oceanic 6? and why do we have to endure jate?
i want alot of sawyer in the season finale, i want some skate (cos we were promised it) and i want sawyer to play a part in the big game changer. i probably wouldnt stop watching, as i'd feel as if i was missing out but i would stop enjoying it if sawyer isnt in it more. i know that within the last 2 epi's he has played a bigger part, but it needs to continue. :) :(
Guys,I think that we should wait for the finale before thinking that Sawyer won't have his space in it.Yes,Sawyer doesn't have so much screentime this season,but do you really believe that the writers have forgotten about him?I don't think so at all.Sawyer is been great in these last episodes and I also believe that even if it's not there with the O6 it doesn't mean that he won't have his big role in this finale.And about the spectacular kiss can still be Skate.
Isabelle, maybe I'm a hopeless optimist but I really believe that what is coming will be big/mind blowing and Sawyer for sure will be part of it, sooner or later.
And remember, the good things usually make us wait ;)
ana and kate - i really hope so!!! its just that i'm feeling a lttle disappointed after we were given an amazing sawyer spoiler, and it isnt even true. :) :) :)
This is cause I'm still waiting for the finale, maybe we'll have a clue about what its going to be Sawyer's role next season :) I'm a fanatic of Lost but I love Sawyer too, everyone choose a character to love at this show and everyone is pissed if this character has less onscreen time, I don't feel stupid cause I like Sawyer more than the hole show.
wheres desmond?????
See, I don't think Sawyer has been ignored all season. Yeah, the 06 got the centrics, but their stories have been pretty much told so they won't get to dominate next season.
I think they've been developing Sawyer's relationships with Locke, Hurley and Claire. And they even threw in Jin saying Sawyer is teaching him english. They also hooked Sawyer and Miles up together.
And I still think Claire was lured away as a way to lure Sawyer to Jacob's cabin because he's the real Chosen One, not Locke. Locke will play an important part, but not as the Chosen One. They're making it seem like Locke to pull a huge twist.
I think Sawyer is going to get the two hour finale centric. That he'll be shown off the island, but the big game changer is how he's shown getting back to the island.
I don't know, I kind of get the feeling everything is about to change and Jack isn't going to be the big be-all and end-all of the show anymore. Darlton said the finale plays like a pilot for a new show. It may be why they've kind of wrapped up Jack's relationships with both Kate and Juliet and all in one show. Sure, Jack/Kate may get back together, but it was like Darlton was trying to wrap up old business to get on with the new.
Frankly, I think Locke has gotten it a lot worse this season. All the groundwork the writers have laid for Sawyer has been positive, while all the groundwork for Locke has been negative.
He's on the beach, Brian. Take a look to the last picture, he's on the left. His alter ego is with the other evil twins in the middle of the picture. They're wearing the blue shirt and the kind of greenish pants.
What is happening with Sawyer this season is what happened with Sayid last season, he was quite missing. And Sayid (along with Ben) is having one of the bigger roles this season (and I'm really happy for that).
So, I think that both Sawyer and Locke will have bigger roles on the next season. Because the next season is supposed to be about 'why they need to go back',and I think that this is related with what Charlie said to Hurley 'They need you!'.
brian said: where's desmond?????
In the photos with the Oceanic6's.
sockerock - "I think Sawyer is going to get the two hour finale centric. That he'll be shown off the island, but the big game changer is how he's shown getting back to the island."
i hope so so much!!! but i think that the o6 (yet again) will get the centric...i want you to be right though!
i agree alot of what you said. i still think locke is the chosen one, but then again, i think its more a case of chosen ones (plural). i mean, it went from ben, to locke, to hurley, back to locke (judging from promos) and maybe claire. and you could be right about luring sawyer to jacobs cabin. :)
The question that is boggling me right now is the return back to the island on the Zodiac Raft.
If Gault allows Sayid and Desmond to use the raft we will see yet another time shift (if the bearing isn't followed) which will line us up for the next episode format convention. We know that the codename is 'frozen donkey wheel', it reminds me of a blinkered mule unable to turn s stuck mill.
I think that we will see a time loop issue in the finale where scenes are replayed and time shifts occur depending upon consequences of character actions. I think people can 'co-exist' on and off the island (as proven by the dead doc washing up on the shore). The big massive ending could be the sight of an off island Sawyer who we know is still on the island.
Considering he is the longest running character without a flash coupled with his integrity and popularity it seems feasible. It keeps the love triangle working and explains some phenomena that we have seen this season.
Eh? The Zodiac and the raft are two completely different things.
The Zodiac is the tender as seen in Meet Kevin Johnson. http://www.zodiacmarineusa.com/
The raft as seen in this post is a standard emergency life raft that self inflates. They come packed up in a small box, the helicopter most likely has one.
Did anyone would wonder if this scene was taken as a flashback? It seems the fast forward is moving backwards.
Its to close for the finale for jack to heal so fast and running into the water & Hurley to back to ocean after meeting with Jacob in the Cabin. So many more questions to answer b4 they get rescued on normal time.
I'm guessing this is flash forward scene of how they get rescued.
And I'm guessing it's sawyer flashback of the filming in LA last few week ago. His character is building on something every single day.
If the guys HIC double in the blue shirt, Sawyer must be already off the island. Maybe not...
Ahh yes! So Sayid and Des don't escape on the freighter boat, instead they get one from the chopper. If this is the case then they must have returned to the island using a helicopter. That deduces that Keamey met his demise on the freighter or is stranded there. I Sayid is capable of flying it himself, but the death of doc does tell us there is going to be more bloodshed on the freighter.
I think Keamey will meet a greater demise than at the hands of Sayid.
I get the feeling that this secret scene of Josh Holloway has to do something with the spectacular kiss. Maybe he really gets off the island, but he is not one of the O6. Maybe he finds a way like Ben to go off and then he meets up with Kate and we get our kiss. :-) But actually I hoped for a Titanic-like kiss. Or if it is not Skate I will be as happy with Pen and Des...please no Jack with anyone or someone else.
And ODI and Dark, we want more spoilers, please?!?!? I'm despearet for more finale or Sawyer-secret-scene-spoilers :P
Forgot... Sayeed and Desmond are from the Freighter Boat. Than it would be them who drifted back to the beach after something happen on the freighter boat ( slit throat doc have significant bad think happen ) - I don't think it's the helicopter..maybe I'm wrong
There's no place like home much more have Lost feel to say There's no place like an island (home)
I think Lost still have two more season yet to just conclude this by them getting rescued easily. I think Lost writers are so smart in trick us.
lucylein - couldnt agree more!! i was upset when i found out that sawyer isnt in the pics, as i too, was hoping for that to be the spec kiss. but a future one will do nicely! lol. or penny and des cos everyone loves those two! and yeah, i dont want jack and anyone kissing! he doesnt deserve juliet. and him and kate...dont even get me started! :)
Isabelle: Great to hear you're with me on this! I already noticed we share the same thoughts about Lost :-)
And yeah no Jack, I really cannot stand him when he's the "I'm-the-leader-and-Locke-is-wrong"-Jack. He's so arrogant when he tries to lead everyone. Though I liked the future Jack that is happy with Kate. When the relationship starts to end, he becomes the annoying Jack again.
And I still cannot completely believe that it is Desmond's stand-in and not Sawyer. At least in the water it looks like Sawyer to me. But I too could imagine, that Sawyer doesn't come back to the beach because he searches for Claire. I will be in tears if Kate and Sawyer indeed don't see each other before she leaves.
But I wish Des and Pen a happy end too. So if I have to give up my Titanic-Skate-kiss to get a Pen-Des-kiss, I will do it :P Maybe even for a Sun-Jin-goodbye-kiss.
Maybe it's Charlotte-Daniel...but I would be pissed...
@Lucylein
The kiss is supposed to create more drama/complications in the triangle, isn't? We have talked so much about it that I don't remember what Darlton did or didn't say anymore, hahaha. If it's that way, I don't think it's going to be a Charlotte and Daniel, or Des and Penny (which I would definitely love, BTW)kiss.
The one in the water is Desmond too, likely to be his evil twin though XD
Sawyer and Desmond aren't wearing the same colors and the only lostie I have seen changing clothes is Kate, which is funny :)
lucylein - "And I still cannot completely believe that it is Desmond's stand-in and not Sawyer. At least in the water it looks like Sawyer to me"
me either. i havent let it sink in yet. its looks so much like him, but i saw a close up look and it isnt him. if you wanna see it, click on the hawaii blog thing, then on the name of the comment at the bottom of the page that says that they put up a closer look on their blog. :(
and ana is right. it will be a triangle complicating kiss. i guess skate kissing ON ISLAND wont complicate things, and after SNBH a jate kiss complicates absolutely nothing, whether it be on or off island...so...you know what that means....i wont say it cos i dodnt wanna jinx it...but you see what i am getting at.
also, it wont be jacket, cos they said triangle complicating, not quadrangle complicating.
have you read fishbisciuts review of SNBH on the hime page. god, it freakin hilarious! you should read it. xx:)
Oh Ana and Isabelle, you are right! I read so many comments here and had my own thoughts about the kiss, that I totally forgot all the information we already know...so no Pen and Des :-( But hopefully Skate then...I'm so excited, I wanna see it now.
What's this fishbiscuit site? I googled it, but didn't find anything? In general: What are all the sites you get your lost information from? I only know dark's site and sometimes I check there 20 times a day and no update, so I need other sites, of it is ok for you to post them here.
And Dark, I love your site, so I will always come back here ;)
lucylein - i mean fishbiscuits review of something nice back home, on the home page of this site. you should have a read. at the end there is a very nice skatey comparison thing. its really long though, but trust me it is worth it. xx :)
Isabelle, I don't think Hurley or Claire are the Chosen One, I think Jacob tried to lure Hurley to the cabin as bait to lure Sawyer there. Sawyer's not like Locke. While being the Chosen is something Locke craves, for Sawyer it won't be something he wants and will have to be forced to do. If Hurley had gone into the cabin, I think Jacob would have done something to Hurley, like I think he does something to Claire. From the Claire pic she seems to have something done to her mentally with her looking like she's sitting on the floor playing with a doll. I think Jacob will force Sawyer to become the Chosen in exchange for undoing whatever he's done to Claire and letting her go.
Something I have been wondering is was that really Christian Shephard Sawyer met in Australia or was it Jacob? Sawyer wasn't going to go through with killing Duckett until Christian encouraged Sawyer to do whatever he had to do to end his pain. If Sawyer hadn't met Christian, he might not have killed Duckett.
sockerock - "Isabelle, I don't think Hurley or Claire are the Chosen One, I think Jacob tried to lure Hurley to the cabin as bait to lure Sawyer there."
yeah, and i see where your coming from. and i think it is very significant that sawyer killed cooper, not locke, BUT i just always had this idea from the beginning that locke is the one who is most connected to the island and is the chosen one. i feel that it would be a great twist, but it would kinda be a unwelcome one for alot of people cos everyone EXPECTS it to be locke. i'm not saying you are wrong, i just have no idea whats going on.
i just think that there hasnt been a whole lot of evidence to suggest that it is sawyer just yet. maybe thats what will make it so shocking...but i think i'm just gonna wait til next epi cos thats when we will know for sure. :) :)
Agreed.
You got me curious about what fishbiscuit said about Something Nice Back Home, so I went to the site and got a good chuckle and then I read what she wrote about The Brig and I thought she made some interesting observations about Locke and really brought home how horrible it was what he did to Sawyer by locking him in that room with Sawyer.
I've been thinking lately that what Locke did to Sawyer was exactly the same when what Hibbs did when he tricked Sawyer into killing Duckett. But it's actually a lot worse. I came away agreeing with her assessment that Cooper was right and Locke was a coward who got a traumatized child to do his dirty work for him so he could take the credit in his neverending quest to be special.
At some point Locke is going to have to be made accountable for all the crimes he's committed against his fellow survivors. He's going to have to face judgment day.
It would be ironic as he rushes towards his quest to be special, if he isn't in reality rushing towards his own judgment day.
Note how Desmond has a stuntman in the last pic. Looks as though he'll be getting up to something spectacular.
Yes, indeed, something spectacular will happen, all the losties have an evil twin there :)
I suspect the guy building sandcastles is actually an agent of DarkUFO on the trail of a season finale scoop. His right ear is focussing heavily on that tent and the shoddy nature of the first sandcastle in particular just screams 'I have other interests' ;)
@ t.l.a I suspect the guy building sandcastles is actually an agent of DarkUFO on the trail of a season finale scoop. His right ear is focussing heavily on that tent and the shoddy nature of the first sandcastle in particular just screams 'I have other interests' ;)
haha thats effen funny i agree! desmond couldbe dragging a number of people imo daniel. they wouldneed some bearing to get off the island and he is the best guy for the job. also i think sawyer colud have asked for his favour during kates stay at newotherton and it wont be revealduntil next season or later. the question is does locke and ben trade huirley for sawyer?
oh and i bet miles totaly pisses his pants when he see/ hears jacob. my thoughts are that sawyer and miles find locke ben and hurley and sawyer sends hurley back to the beach with lil aaron.
I guess what's important is it seems Desmond does get off the island. Maybe it's Lapidus, since he's there at the shoot and maybe it'll be Lapidus that eventually helps them get back to the island.
sockerock - "Maybe it's Lapidus, since he's there at the shoot and maybe it'll be Lapidus that eventually helps them get back to the island."
OR, just throwing this out there, maybe jack wants lapidus to take them back to the island but he cant. do you see where i'm going with this? MAN IN COFFIN!! :)
And Dessy survives the Freighter. Awesome.
That's a good possibility and one no one has thought of. Damn, I like Lapidus. I wanted him to stay on the island and get involved with Juliet.
I'd actually rather it be Sayid.
@Iam*jack's*eye
I think your idea of Sawyer taking Hurley's place to stay on the island is quite possible, specially because of the relationship he has developed with him.
@isabelle
I hope you're not right (haha, sorry for that), because I really like Frank and hope to see him in the future :(
And if the size of the coffin really meant something and is not only a distraction, it would be kind of tight for him as he's 6'0".
ana - i like him too. but i would rather lose him than sayid, ben or locke, or sawyer. and as much as i'm sure we'd all be esctatic if it was micheal, its too obvious.
but yeah, i dont wanna lose him either. :) (it was just a random though, i have no evidence for it so it probably isnt him). :) :)
I don't know anything more! Josh is or not on the water?
Sawyer will be or not in that scene?
And Jack? Where is he?
I'm so confuse now! It's better wait and see!
By the way, I hope the kiss is Jate in FF when Jack and Kate will meet each other again to come back to the island! They will be together and how fiancé and fiancée because Jack will begin to build his redemption, how Foxy said! To me, this is a complicate triangle kiss because they will return to the island, where Sawyer stayed before!
Ah man..
Turns out the guy in blue I thought was Josh Holloway was in fact Henry Ian Cusick’s stand-in. Special thanks to the spoilerhounds at Fishbiscuit.com, who obviously know their hunks better than I!
That must really burn for any Skaters. Looks like they definitely won't be getting the kiss! I honestly think its Jack/Kate. She's going to tell him she loves him and we're going to see their 2nd kiss with no ambiguity.
"That must really burn for any Skaters. Looks like they definitely won't be getting the kiss! I honestly think its Jack/Kate. She's going to tell him she loves him and we're going to see their 2nd kiss with no ambiguity."
how is that in the slighest bit "triangle compliacting"? maybe you didnt hear that spoiler but tptb have said the kis will complicate the triangle, which is why,n unfortunately its not des and pen either.
i honestly still think its skate and heres why. tptb have pissed off the sawyer fans/skaters enough this season. they wouldnt risk losing fans. they want to keep things fair and after SNBH, it wouldnt be 'fair' for jaters to get ANOTHER moment, whilst skaters get nothing. they have also said skate isnt over this season, and they have also said the triangle isnt over either.
my theory - off island skate kiss. thats the only thing i can think of that could possibly complicate anyhting. skate on island wouldnt be complicating, jate on/off island wouldnt be complaicating, so by process of elimination this is my theory. :) :)
Someone made a great point in another post that Sawyer is Hans Solo and Claire is Princess Leia [Luke's sister/Jack's sister] and we know what happened with Hans/Leia.
Sorry, but a Skate kiss wouldn't complicate the triangle, either. It's going to be Sawyer/Claire.
sockerock - i think it would if he mysteriously popped up in the future. that would complicate things as it shows for a fact that she hasnt forgotten about him.
imo, sawyer and claire kissing wouldnt complicate the triangle, it would end it. it would be sawyer and claire AND jack and kate. triangle over. but tptb said the triangle wont end.
to be honest though, alot of people dont like skate or jate, so tptb (if they are aware of fans opinions like they seem to think they are) then if they are going to cal it spectacular, EVERYONE has to like it. DES AND PEN!!!!
but of course, they then say its do do with the triangle and only jaters will find a jate kiss spectacular, and only skaters will find a skate kiss spectaculr. UNLESS, it happens in spectacular circumstances. sawywr off island woulf be spectaculr imo. :)
Isabelle, I totally understand you, specially because I would have to get a coffin for myself if Sawyer is the one XD LOL... anyway, if he was the one inside the coffin, Kate would had attended to the funeral parlor.
Well, I'm still sticking to the coffin size thing as is the only way I can keep all my favourites out of it, hahahaha XD... at least, for now ~_~
ana - "I would have to get a coffin for myself if Sawyer is the one XD LOL..."
yes!! me too!!! lol. tptb wouldnt dare to that!! a few weeks ago on here some of us sawyer fans were tlking about how if tptb killed sawyer they would be committing mass murder as it would kill us all!! sawyer lives, i'm sure of it!!
ps, if he is in the coffin, the ratings will suffer. :)
YES DESMONDS THER!
Yeah, I'm pretty sure the blue-shirt guy is Desmond, not Sawyer.
I thought that in last week's episode, the most important line of the entire episode was "He chose to stay." (Jack, regarding Sawyer.) I think that gives us a lot of insight as to whether or not all of the non-oceanic-6 chose to stay or were forced to stay, etc.
And I actually think that Kate's favor for Sawyer had to do with Clementine/Cassidy.
i think sawyer wants to leave (he is on his way back to the beach after all), BUT he only chooses to stay, (unlike jack, dare i say it), cos he doesnt wanna leave people behind, in particular claire, his new honorary kid sis. or maybe cos he makes a big discovery, eg orchid station, sees jacob.
so i think when jack says sawyer chose to stay, it s just an attempt to upset kate, by reminding her that he chose to stay, but ignoring the reason why he made this decision.
also,i always had the feeling that the sawyer doesnt leave is cos he feels like he has no choice. the island wants him there, and that is that. he has to sacrifice the love of his life, for the island. like claire cant be with aaron, sun cant be with jin, jack leaves his sister etc
seems like the island is splitting up loved ones in order to lue the o6 BACK to the island.
so yes, sawyer chose to stay, but when jack says this, he is ignoring the context entirely imo. :)
"in order to lue"
oops, in order to LURE