Hey All,
According to EW's Ausiello we will meet Jack's grandfather for the first time in Episode 5x07 316 and he will be played by actor Raymond J. Barry.
Based on a previous casting call there was character in his 70s by the name of Hal who supposedly "an still fight the establishment and win". So is Hal Jack's grandfather??
No other details are known, but here is a link for Barry's IMDB profile.
Raymond J. Barry on IMDB
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Episode 5.07 - 316 - Jack's Grandfather to Appear
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Raymond J. Barry has done lots of little stuff, but if you want to see a fairly good movie in which he is nearly the star... check out "Interview with the Assassin", in which Barry plays an old man who claims to be JFK's real assassin:
http://us.imdb.com/title/tt0308411/
We've heard from him before, he was the first owner of 'The Watch' and disapproved of Christian's marriage with Margo.
So, if Barry plays Jack's granddad, who first appears in Episode 7, and Ms. Hawking comes back in Episode 7 and is related to a major character who is not Desmond, would it be too far out to think that she's Jack grandmother?
Aww, there goes my theory that Jacob is Jack's grandfather.
Jack's grandfather? *facepalm*
That's a very interesting conclusion, Wendy! (maybe the watch came from her shop)
@Christopher: Right, because it's impossible for someone to have two grandfathers! Oh, wait...
Mason, Eden, Cruz and CC must be somewhere nearby. On another note, I thought Jack was Annie and the four-statue's grandson. That would explain so many things at once.
Shephards rule!
They own the island!
Yay! The Shephard Clan is growing :)
WOAH!Jack's granfather..!The island is SHEPHARDLAND!!!!!
Ok, a few things:
1) Based on this photo on IMDb where he has a little less hair, he looks quite a bit like actor Alan Dale, our Charles Widmore... Coincidence? Perhaps, perhaps not.
2) Why would they be introducing us to Jack's grandfather now, in the 5th season, unless he's important to the plot of the series as it comes to a close? They can't afford to waste time on anything inconsequential with only 34 episodes left (hence why the O6 are gonna be back on-Island before the season's end), so Jack's grandad has to be pretty important to be introducing at such a late date.
3) How the heck are they gonna introduce him? A Christian flashback? I think not. However, there's gonna be all kinds of time travel on the Island (both for our Left Behinders as a side effect of the Island moving while unstuck in time, and apparently for some of our O6ers when they get back). So... if Christian is about as old as Widmore, that'd make the Dharma days just about perfect for dear old grandpa Shephard to be alive.
My guess is that he's part of Dharma, and he's one of the casualties of the Incident, which makes him unstuck in time and stuck on the Island.
Oh yeah, and his name is Jacob... Why else would Christian be speaking for him? All the Shephards seem to have ties to Jacob, so why not have it be because he's family? :D
Jacob Shephard! Sounds good and if wee see Ms. Hawking come and call him "honey" at the end of the episode: we will be talking a lot.
316!! What could be the link? I'm not a Christian (and not much religious) so I don't get the whole biblical references...
mmh, John 3:16? For God so loved the world that he gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in him should not perish but have eternal life
Son = Jack? O_o
Uh oh, lets hope he doesnt end up cutting someone in half with a machete and scream out that the wrong kid died! =p
Urgh... well, this will settle the whole love triangle thing...
Some or all of Jack, Kate and Sawyer are going to be related...
I sure hope that Kate and Sawyer don't turn out to be brother and sister...!
Jack is on late 30's, what makes Christian early 60's (probably). So Raymond J. Barry is not old enough to play a alive (mid 80's) person. My guess is the same as some of you: he was a Dharma member and has been on the island! That's cool. Does that mean Jack is going to meet him on the island? A "hey, we both are wearing the same watch" kinda of scene?
Is that why Christian (and caire) dont want aaron to be on the island ?
To much family ? maybe reincarnation of someone that is on the island in that timeperiod ?
*cLaire that is
WendyWatson said...
So, if Barry plays Jack's granddad, who first appears in Episode 7, and Ms. Hawking comes back in Episode 7 and is related to a major character who is not Desmond, would it be too far out to think that she's Jack grandmother?
Firstly Very interesting "spoiler" and secondly WW Very! interesting theory!!
Ooo does this mean it might be Christian centric??
Intersting scoop! Love reading everyones theories...keeps me from having to think too hard on this cold snowy day :)
Nice spoiler.
Wonder will he be a member of Dharma?
I also like the idea that Ms. Hawking might be married to/or had Christian with Jack's grandfather. Would be a bit mental!
LOL at the scribes comment
Thought this was interesting enough to be shared:
Exodus 3:16
Go and gather the elders of Israel together and say to them, 'The LORD, the God of your fathers, the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob has appeared to me, saying, "I am indeed concerned about you and what has been done to you in Egypt.'
As on Eko's "Jesus" stick, one could be selective and just deal w/ the bolded parts, therefore having Jacob appear. Elders of Israel could = the O6. Perhaps that makes the Natives = the tribe(s) of Israel, and Dharma = the Egyptians...
Also, it is in 'Exodus' that Aaron is a main character, speaking to his people for Moses, and asking Pharaoh to let them go. It is Aaron's staff that turns to a snake and swallows the staff-snakes of the Egyptian magicians, as well as induces the first 3 plagues at the demand of Moses. It is Aaron and his descendants exclusively who become the priesthood, the Levites.
Jack's Grandfather = Annie :-)
Jacob Shephard!!! :) LOVE that idea!!! ;) Would make sense then if Christian's not, but speaks on his behalf. He can speak for his father's wishes.
Then having Ms. Hawking being Jack & Claire's grandmother, and Christian's mom would be SO awesome and mindblowing!!! :)
I've felt for SO long that the Shephard family is a HUGE part of the overall story. ;) Maybe Aaron really is "The Little Prince", and it's all a part of Jacob's blood line. ;) That Island is theirs. ;)
The Exdous story and 3:16 fit too!!! :) Plus, you have Jack = Moses, Aaron = Aaron, and their sister Miriam = Claire (she had visions and led the women of Israel). Their ancestor being Jacob. ;) Loving this theory SO much!!! :)
I'm SO excited to see how this turns out!!! :D
Jack's Grandfather = Anie.
"and if wee see Ms. Hawking come and call him "honey" at the end of the episode: we will be talking a lot."
Well... not me.... XD (No,not the head, not the head! XD)
Amazing news.
Seems like a really interesting new character.
Oh and i like the "Jacob = Hal" Theory too.
this is starting to remind of heroes...
all the family connections.. the bad.. the good...
meh, LOST is still better :D
Oh God! This theories sound so good! The Shephards are awesome!!!
Nice... this is pretty cool. I also think he was perfectly casted as he's a mix between Christian and Jack.
@Luke-Thompson
The difference is, the Lost writers planted proof here and there along the way to point out that it's been the plan all along- they don't just write themselves out of a corner by making everyone related to everyone else.
HAL? Brilliant! the lip-reading Heuristic computer with single eye. That has LOST written all over it. I'm pretty sure some lip-reading took place at the Hydra.
I'm just in from the school nativity: there was this baby boy - the son of God - and he was given to this other feller - who wasn't his dad - to raise up as if he were...
Margo mighn't be much like Mary in HAL's opinion, but Christian may still be Joseph.
But HOLY FUCK.
Let's say that Jacob is Christian's father and that's why Christian was speaking on his behalf.
Will JACK die on their way back (or before the end of the series) and start speaking on Christian's behalf?
Maybe only one male member of the family can be on the island at any one time, and that's what's been causing all this havoc!
When Jack and Claire crashed (with Christian's body), that meant that there went from being one Shepard (Jacob) on the island to FOUR when Aaron was born.
So when Jack dies, he is the one who must stay bound to the island, with Claire/Kate/whoever finally taking Aaron away, along with Christian and Jacob's bodies, which they finally find.
Would be an awesome final image - Jack sitting in his grandfather's shack, rocking back and forth in the rocking chair.
Haven't seen this mentioned yet... but maybe Annie is Christian's little sister ? Christian would have been in his late teens or early 20s when Ben was a kid, so it's feasible he could have had a little sister who was 9-10-11.
In the bible isn't jacob a shepherd? DUN DUN DUN
Wasn't Charles Widmore the "bad twin" in Bad Twin?
What if Granddaddy Shepard is the "good twin", changed his name to protect his bloodline? Ionno.
If the Shepherds/Widmores/Hawkings are supposed to be the supreme rulers of the island then I hope somebody ousts them again. This would sort of explain why Ben doesn't want Kate to be with Jack, though.
"If the Shepherds/Widmores/Hawkings are supposed to be the supreme rulers of the island then I hope somebody ousts them again."
Couldn't agree more with you. Let hope indeed.
Personally, I want Hawking to be the descendant of Faraday & Charlotte. That'd be a nice explanation as to how she's English and knows so much about physics/time travel, not to mention link her backwards and forwards to the Island...
(I subscribe to the theory that the Island is actually a man-made spaceship from the future, and Hawking is part of the original crew. Thus she knows the future because she's from it. Plus it'd be neat if the show comes full circle: It started w/ a crash, and in the end the reason the Island is so strange is because it too is one big crashed craft, not to mention us being the cause of all the the mysteries of the Island... it's just too epic and Lostian not to be true!!!)
Wow, that is pretty interesting. Then we have 4 generations of Shepards and probably much more daddy issues to come ;) Awesome!
LOL @ Carly
I wonder if Granddad drinks...
WendyWatson said: "So, if Barry plays Jack's granddad, who first appears in Episode 7, and Ms. Hawking comes back in Episode 7 and is related to a major character who is not Desmond, would it be too far out to think that she's Jack grandmother?"
O_O
Interesting spoiler!!
@ WendyWatson
lmao I just read your idea, it shocked me so much I had to put my hand over my face. then I read crystals comment!
Seriously though I think this would be a pretty sweet revelation
I love the way some of you think :)
This guy is 69 years old... Matthew Fox is 42... Apparently Jack had a REALLLLLLLY young grandfather :)
Oh, I'm sorry. I didn't think of the possibility that his grandfather MIGHT be at the time of Dharma. Though, it seems unlikely.
Being 69 in the 1970s seems a lot more reasonable. :)
@jake3988: If Jack's grandfather appears in a DHARMA flashback, like say, 1976 (as one spoiler suggests), then if you stick to the actors' ages, he would be playing 69 when Matthew Fox was 10. Totally logical as a grampa then, yes?
If one wants to be a stickler about actor ages, the Shepherds who don't match up perfectly are Jack and Christian, as John Terry is only 16 years older than Foxy.
GregDean, lots of people have kids at 16, so even that matches up.
In fact, I'd see it as wholly believable that Christian had Jack at 16. He had to stay with the mother out of a sense of duty (the same sense of duty that made him become a doctor), but then started to feel trapped. So he went off to Australia and fathered Claire. He then felt guilty and returned home, trying to start his life again. But then he realised it wasn't that simple and started drinking.
Having Jack at 16 would explain a lot of things about Christian...especially when he seemed so eager to be an awesome father - because his own dad wasn't very present in his own childhood? IE - Jacob was on the island?
Not saying every 16 year old parent does/will end up like that, but for Christian, it'd be a reasonable backstory, no?
Ok, but why was Ms. Hawking in the picture with the Monk?
Ok, but why was Ms. Hawking in the picture with the Monk?
They seem to have some sort of conspiracy running, which mostly seems to consist of getting people to the island at specific points. And she was the one getting Desmond to the island, just in a roundabout way.
I think everyone saying that Barry is too young to play Jack's Grandpa in the present has a point, so he's probably in the past, and Ms. Hawking is probably not Jack's Grandmother. Too bad, I liked the idea.
Your all foccusing on Jack and on MS Hawking, bla bla bla.
Your missing what I think could be the large potiential storyline for this episde.
CHRISTIAN!!!!
Maybe we're FINALLY gonna find out what makes Christian Shepard(A drunk boser who ODed on alchohal lol)special enough to be revived and used by the island(Or Jacob, or both).
Does he have great faith we dont know about? Is he special?
My bets are this episode sheds a little more light on Christian Shepard as well.
Im not ruling out the MS Hawking connection, but, this seems like a prime oppertunity to talk about/drop hints about why Christian is so special.
Peharps just like Roger brought Ben, Grandpa ('Jake') Shephard brings his son Christian. Of course, then we'd have to explain how Christian escaped the Purge...
Ya know, for a secret science initiative, they sure don't seem to mind letting moms and dads "bring your son/daughter to work".
So, why wasn't Jack on Jacob's list. In the early part of season 3 Danny says "Jack wasn't even on jAcobs list".
this guy rules. if it hasn't already been said, he was in Falling Down as the toughguy captain who calls out Duvall's character for being a wimp by retiring early and spending half his career behind a desk. Would be awesome if he ended up as Christian's father.
It's quite obvious Jack's dad was born on the island to this guy and an as of unnamed mother. That is why Christian was reincarnated upon his return to the island and he always seems to be at the center of everything.
jacks grandfather is not annie. u dumb people saying that..
penny is annie, she jut changed her name after the purge.
jacks GF'S name is ray and he is hawkings wife..
Christian said...
So, why wasn't Jack on Jacob's list. In the early part of season 3 Danny says "Jack wasn't even on jAcobs list".
As far as we know Ben can't and hasn't been able to talk to the island or Jacob for a while now so whos to say that Jacob even made up the list for the losties, maybe ben just looked into his extensive personnal files and choose those he thought he could control the easest( maybe he even saw Jack as a threat to his leadership). No one was taken from the tail end camp at all and all the main characters of lost are genrally stubbern people. plus( and i'm not sure this is relavent) wasn't Jack spose to die in the first episode? and if that is true and they claimed to have had the story all figured out sence the begining why or even how is jack so important now.
Lost seems to be all about connections not only between the main charaters but throught their parents and even aquantances as well, so i can easly agree that Hal must be involved with the darma or Widmore or Hawking or some other unthought of connection. but i think the writers have some big twist that will only leave us asking more questions.