Update: 22:30 Thanks to ChickenGeorge for this image which I thinks proves once and for that it's Jack (If there was ever any doubt ;) )
Update: 15:00 Thanks to Sluky and Lostcandy for this gif comparison of Jacks Eye and The Eye below.
http://img8.imageshack.us/img8/7312/lostgif.gif
Seeing as people seem to be debating this. Here is a poll for the eye.
Thanks to SycloneFX and The ODI for the video.






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is that Kate's eye?
can we get a comparison of jacks eye in season 1 and this eye?
Juliet!
juliet's eyes are blue
This was the same eyes as Jacks eye inthe pilot
You're right . . . after watching the video vs. looking at the screencaps, it's Jack's eye.
Not Jack's.....maybe Kate's....not Locke's....yeah...prob Kate's
is it just me or does it look like there's a face reflected in the upper right portion of the eye?
kate's eyes. definitely.
Uh, okay.
definitely not jack's eye. take a look: http://i91.photobucket.com/albums/k284/whitebrowgigs/Lost%20season%205/5X06_jack_eye.jpg?t=1242276388
It's Jack. And it's pretty much the same scene from the Season 1 Pilot.
ComparisonCheck the psd file if you're still not convinced. Change the opacity of the first layer and compare.
It makes much more sense for it to be Juliet. She was next to an atom bomb while it went off and the screen turns white. It makes sense for the show to pick back up with her. Plus that eye is female and those lashes are blonde.
yeah its jack... exact same eye lashes.. the eye color could have easily been edited.
It's Jack waking on Island 2008.
obviously its Jacks eye, they used the same one from the Pilot episode: http://www.sl-lost.com/images/090220-jackseye.jpg
It looks almost as if Locke's face is reflected in the eye.
Wow. Just great. Another shot of Jack's eye. What a teaser. No offense to you Dark just the lost writers!
Shame it isn't Claire. :P
That's not Jack's eye. Take a look at the link Vinnie posted, huge difference.
Is it jacobs?
Kind of cool symbol, the eye closing instead of opening.
i think it's ben's..it doesn't look like kate's eye
Actually, it is Jack's eye from that exact screencap. Click on the second pic that Dark posted and compare. The eyelashes are identical, in length and position.
Jack's in season 1 looks more or less brown. And the eye in this video looks more or less greenish. But that could just be the angle, and also the eye lashes do look really similar...I guess we'll have to wait and see
I think it's Kate eye !!! it's not Jack's!!!
It means that we will see something like in fiurst season in siz season too? O_o
on second thought..it's jack's eyes
It's Jack's eye. The colors were just changed a bit, and the reflection seems to have been slightly edited.
It's kate eye!!!!! It's not Jack's!!!
It n=means that we will see something like the first season in season six?
oh god. i can see it now. this is what i'm going to be doing for the next 8+ months: trying to figure out who's eye this is :(
Is it just me or does the eye not make sense right now? The question is "They're coming" is what Jacob said. Season six is where we find out about the aliens, who is and who isn't one. Remember Eloise was asked if eh's an alien in an interview and she said she won't anwer that question rigt then.
Ugh, I'd say the eye is Jack's, but last time I thought it was Kate's, and it was his, so I don't know. He either wakes up in 2004 after 815, or in 2008.
That would be Kate's eye. You can tell by the shape and the eyebrow shape.
100% KATE'S EYE! i was looking at her green eyes toward the end of the show; her's no doubt.
Definitely Jack's.
Looks like Kate's eye kinda, but the eyebrows are a little messy so I don't know, could be Jack.
"Is it just me or does the eye not make sense right now? The question is "They're coming" is what Jacob said. Season six is where we find out about the aliens, who is and who isn't one. Remember Eloise was asked if eh's an alien in an interview and she said she won't anwer that question rigt the"
... i don't know when this interview was but why do you believe TPTB would tell the actress playing Eloise that there will be aliens in season 6?!? Sorry, but, no.
I think it's Claire...she has green eyes
http://www.lostfan.net/wp-content/uploads/2008/01/claire_littleton.jpg
What is reflecting in the pupil of the eye which I believe is Jack's eye?
It looks like a mushroom cloud.
Sorry, scrap that, it's the same close up of Jack's eye in the pilot so this season 6 spoiler video serves no purpose.
Looks like Jack's from season 1.... and a bit like Juliet's...
I stood there for 10 minutes before realising it was over... simply amazing
Interesting quote from Edmund Burke (Juliet ex husband/18 century philosopher),
"You can never plan the future by the past"
I can't help but try to find something inside the numbers and words on the white screen. Seems like there is something there but I can't make anything out. My mind is still blown from the finale and I loved every second of it.
We saw that same eye in the clip show just before the final ep. Looks to be old (and existing) footage. Probably just something to put in at the end for dramatic effect.
I wouldn't read too much into it.
Anybody have a link from which I can download this teaser?
"Christopher said...
is it just me or does it look like there's a face reflected in the upper right portion of the eye?"---
OMFG!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I think you're right! we need a 1080p HD shot of this eye. my first reaction to the pics is that it looks like a female's eye (Kate?), but i think we all assume it's Jack. If it is Kate, maybe that's Jack's reflection in her eye!!!!
I think it's Jack's. If you look at picture 4, you will notice the top left area above the eyelid is kind of bushy. No self-respecting woman would have that hairy of an eye. Compare that area of the eye in this picture with the photo of Jack's eye in this link courtesy of vinnie from up above. Notice the same bushiness?
Also, look at pictures 1, 2, and 3. Look at the bottom left part below the eye. Notice some small faint hairs. Compare those pics with the one in the link provided by Vinnie. Notice the same fine hairs?
That's why I think it's Jack's eye.
Besides, in keeping with their practice of using Jack's eye in the pilot and in the episode when they returned to the island, I think they will do the same for the season 6 opener.
It's Juliet. Makes perfect sense. We see her just before the bomb go off, and we see her right after.
It cant be Jack, because he has a brown eye if you see the link further above here.
Gee..That tells us an awful lot about Season 6..I don't think they could have given us a more useless preview than that.
Since none of the next season's been written or shot, other than whatever outline Darlton has I don't think the eye means anything more than the fact that it's been used as an episode starter many times before.
It's definitely Jack's eye, there's no doubt about it
I'm pretty sure it's kate's eye
Whoseever eye it is, the more interesting question is where will the person be? If it's Jack's or Kate's, on the plane? If it's Juliet's, on the island in 2004?
Wherever they are they need to remember what has happened to them or we'll all be waiting for them to play catch up and there isn't enough time for that in one series.
It definitely looks like there's something reflecting off of the eye, kind of like somebody's face and upperbody.
And yes it's definitely Jack's eye.
Got to be honest, i was totally disappointed with the finale.....I honestly expected that locke (with Richard and Alpert) wasnt the real locke....i admit i thought he was smokey, but knew it wasnt the real locke...the finale was a disappointment, we thought the writers would pull out a major twist, but instead they have took they easiest route out by blowing up the bomb and leaving us wondering what happened obviously they survive otherwise you couldnt have another season without the main characters and kate still has to find claire so really they have answered there own cliffhanger already....cant wait for new season but not blown away at all by the finale...shame really cos i had really enjoyed this season....
"I can't help but try to find something inside the numbers and words on the white screen. Seems like there is something there but I can't make anything out."
@Nick Moss-finally someone else who sees something in this! I've played it a bunch of times but all I can make out is it looks like 2 people kissing-looks like Jack but the girl doesn't look like Juliet or Kate. Her hair looks a lot more curly like Illana's.
I guarantee that the opening scene is all the cast on the flight of oceanic that was in the pilot
Someone should've posted shots of the lettering too, I think I saw some stuff in them...possibly two people kissing? I don't know, but it's hard to tell without caps!
that is 100% Jack's Eye from 316 look for the screencaps
I cant get excited over a shot of an eye. We have 7 months to wait and we will get nothing out of analysing this photo. Lets just stay amazed and theorize over what the F**K happened in last nights epi!
I was expecting a lot more of the Finale as well. First look at the eye I thought Juliet, I dont bother looking too closely on it. Im disappointed, first of all, there was no jin & sun reunion as promised, no major character died ( Juliet blew the bomb but we dont know what happens after so thats NOT a death that has charlie like feel to it.. bah!) annd they didnt show sayid dying either so I say hes alive.. And really, Jack going through all that for Kate? And Juliet so she never has to leave sawyer? and sawyer agrees finally because... he doesnt want juliet either??! and kate because well shes kate and sheepishly follows jack where ever he goes... What a let down. sorry.
EVACULLEN I TOTALLY AGREE! NO MAJOR DEATH.....NO PROPER ANSWERS.....JUST ONE BIG LET DOWN!!!!!
I think there was a major death. It was Locke. When his body came tumbling out of the Ajira box, I knew that other being wasn't him. It was the guy from the opening who had assumed the form of Locke. In order to "find a loophole".
The orginal Locke for all intense purposes is gone.
It's Jack's eyes from 316. This is the very same debate that went on for that episode. People refused to believe it was Jack's eye and claimed it was Kate's or Hurley's.
The hiatus won't be hard on me, because after they wiped away all the growth they gave Sawyer and reset him to Season 1 Sawyer with no explanation for it, I imagine Sawyer will be on the side of evil with Ultimate Hero Jack and Ultimate Heroine Kate taking down the bad evil people next season.
They wiped away all of Sawyer's growth and he was the only character they had consistently developed, so I'm not so anxious to see what they'll do next. It might have almost been better if they had killed Sawyer off, instead of doing what they did do to him.
They burned down Jacob's cabin, so they'll never have to explain how it could move around so now they don't have to explain it.
They turned all the characters into caricatures who they'll warp any way they want to fit whatever plot they're trying to sell.
I imagine whatever theory fans come up with will turn out to be better than what is actually written.
Sorry, but the last half of this season wasn't good. The whole Dharma story was a waste since we know about the same as we did before it happened. Locke and Christian weren't resurrected, they were just fake doppelgangers so they don't have to explain how they could be resurrected. They weren't.
Jacob bringing the Black Rock to the island doesn't explain how it go embedded in the middle of the island and I highly doubt that will ever be explained.
agree!!!most of d stuff we knew from spoilers,i was looking foward to see what brings us d 16/17 epi... must say..very disappointed.
as dey promised it should be the twistest final ever and only 1 thing shocked me - LOCKE dead in a case!!! nothing else :((((((
The major death was Locke not Juliet. I hope Juliet is okay. This looks like a female eye to me for some reason. I think maybe Kate cos doesn't Juliet have blue eyes?
its kates eye for sure :)
I can't believe you guys are actually debating whose eye this is. Seriously? You're like those people who think they see Jesus in a batch of blueberry muffins. It's Jack. It's the EXACT same shot from the 316 episode, only difference being, some screen caps are brighter/darker than others so it appears to affect the color. Quit being silly! :P
Locke was already dead, so how can Locke be the major death when he's already dead?
It's Juliet. The death was a Charlie-like death. Charlie sacrificed himself to get everyone rescued and Juliet sacrificed herself to uncrash the plane.
The rumor about EL I think was about EM shopping around for pilots because she found out they were going to kill her off and she found herself the lead in one.
i think its kates dark its been great well people i guess al see you all next year GOODBYE
Personally speaking, nothing in the finale makes me even want to watch season 6.
They wiped away all of Sawyer's growth with no explanation. Locke is really dead so that sad and pathetic death he had in Jeremy Bentham was how he ended and he has no chance of redemption. Sayid's a cold blooded killer who shot a child. Jack's completely illogical. He claimed he bought that they weren't supposed to leave the island, only to believe he was brought to the island to make sure they never came to the island.
They'll either undo the plane crash and wipe away five years of emotional investment in the show much the way they did with Sawyer's character growth or the characters they hacked up for this plot will play out their final hand.
We'll get the tired triangle of Sawyer in love with Kate, Kate in love with Jack and using Sawyer and Jack as leader and ultimate hero.
The only interesting thing to theorize on was Jacob's visits from the finale and try to figure out what they mean and their purpose.
Definitely Jack's eyes. You need to re-watch the opening scene of season 1 pilot 1 all over again and again.
I too am sorely disappointed. It seems to me that the writers did not come through with all of the things they originally said would occur. What happened to Sun/Jin, more on Smokey, we get a "side-view" of the statue and were those the "shocking" twists that would make everyone wonder how the show would go on? I'm sorry, but a dead Locke isn't a surprise, Richard has been saying how "different" the new Locke seems and how no one has resurrected before, etc. The writers said they would not "cut to black" like the Sopranos did... no, instead they cut to white. They took the easiest possible way out, that's the way they ended a season in the 1980's, Lost fans deserve better than that. It's their show and they can do what they see fit, some may love the way they did things and that is fine too, I just expected a lot more after hearing the actors talk about how shocking the ending was. There was pretty much a zero shock factor. I did enjoy all the stuff with Jacob though and that first scene on the beach with the un-named bad guy really seemed to give something interesting about the time prior to the Black Rock, etc.
Yeah that was a weak finale. It didn't leave me "wondering how the show will go on". We got to see a quick side shot of the statue and a glimpse of the Black Rock the size of a raisin. Not much explanation there. Even the incident was weak. I mean come on. Catastrophic? A bunch of steel got sucked into the hole along with Juliet, who somehow survived that fall long enough to smash a rock over the thermal nuclear bomb that somehow managed to NOT blow up after being thrown into that hole;-).
I think the Jacob story gives a hint of backgammon. Jacob (blonde=White side and the unknown figure (dark hair=dark side. I believe the unknown figure solved the whole time loop paradox. He appeared as John on the island in 2008, told Richard to fix John's leg and to tell him he had to die. Thus creating the chain of events that led to the whole story. O6 coming back to the island, causing the incident that will require the hatch button, meeting Charles and Eloise, giving them knowledge of the future, leading to the freighter etc...
Looks like Jacob and/or this other guy may have been responsible for bringing the Black Rock, the U.S. Army, Dharma Initiative, Rousseau's team, flight 815 to the island.
I think it's Jack's eyes. It makes sense. Keep in mind that Jack has been the center of the ensemble, for better or worse. Season 6, however it plays out, should be heavy on Jack leading the fight. It's the season of redemption of Jack, for Jack to emerge as the hero that he was destined to be. For people expecting a huge spoiler this early, c'mon, that's unrealistic. This eye could represent Jack opening his eye towards destiny and what must be done to save everything. I can't wait ... what was apparent in season 1 is now coming full circle after some twists and turns.
As for Juliet, as of now, I think she's dead. If her show doesn't pick up, I wouldn't be surprised if she makes a return. They left themselves some leeway there - they could explain it as Locke being the major character death. Juliet being away could give Sawyer fans some excitement - there'd be a lot to explore about Sawyer's loss (I can envision a scenario where Sawyer takes a dark turn and sides with "evil" Locke in an effort to get back at Jack) and if Elizabeth Mitchell can come back, they can have fun exploring Sawyer's redemption. I just don't buy Skate anymore ... I know a lot of people, including Kristin, want it, but they keep hinting at Jack and Kate's fate being tied together in some way, and for them to have Sawyer jump back to Kate in season 6 would be ridiculous.
Now, if Juliet is dead, I'll be a bit annoyed at her story arc not being complete. For her to not have finality with her sister would be rather disappointing.
Men, this is grown Aaron's eye!!!!!!!!!!!
Thats Juliet, If Desmond Eko And Locke And Survive A Point Blank Range Explosion Of The Swan Station. Then Juliet Can Also, She Proablly In That Big Whole Where The Swan Station Is
The first scene was very telling. It reminded me of the Book of Job, where the devil and God make a bet about the human and whether he only praises God because of the good life he has. Jacob says to the man in black "You're still trying to prove me wrong?" The man in black was basically telling Jacob that the people were bad and just fight, but Jacob said it still represents progress. The conversation was very interesting from that view. The man in black wants to kill Jacob, but can't, he needs a loop hole. I would agree the man in black and Smokey are one in the same. So since he can't kill Jacob himself, he gets a human to do the job for him, that's his loop hole. The devil couldn't kill Jesus himself, but he could get man to do the job. Just like Jacob could have stopped Ben if he wanted to, he even tells Ben "you have a choice" and then willing takes the knife... same with the crucifixion story, man kills Jesus and he takes it willingly.
I'm not saying this is the writer's intent, but the parallels are interesting. The two "gods" talking prior to man arriving on the island and speaking as if they have been down this road before and know how it all turns out
Now I'd love to get a grasp on who the "new" people are who brought Locke's body and what their role is. Clearly Illana was sent by Jacob for a purpose and asked the code to Richard, "do you know what lies in the shadow of the statue". Although, didn't that same question get asked a few episodes back? I am thinking it was asked to fake-Locke? And Richard was called by a more Latin sounding name before she asked him the question. Need to get a handle on all of that.
@toonsterwu: How can you think Juliet's arc is incomplete? Let's take it step by step: Juliet was brought to the island to fix fertility problems and never succeeds; she goes back to the 1970s before the baby-making issues then detonates the H-bomb, which I would wager, releases a ton of radiation making women unable to have babies, thus becoming the impetus for Juliet's presence on the island later on. It's a giant circle that is now complete.
i don't think the rule could be as simple as needing a human, it seems like that situation would have presented itself before. It might be that he needed the/a leader of the others to kill Jacob
did it occur to anyone that the bomb was part of the cause of the incident? remember back in season 2 when they were all in the swan and they come accross that room cemented shut? My feeling is that they DID finish building the swan after the original incident that the losties from the future helped make. they couldn't ever change anything, it was jack's destiny to throw the bomb down the drill path, juliet had to die, and she pulled a charlie and set off the bomb which in turn CAUSED the incident. the SAME incident everyone from season 2 was musing over while wondering why they had to press that button. what happened, happened. no one could change anything. they were just following their set paths.
and seriously, did you all really think that the writers would erase 5 years of storyline..? and make it all seem like a dream? no! they would tick off A LOT of people.
It is Jacks eye. The eye lashes are identical. I'm disapointed too. Although I do think somethings will change.
It also looks like Rose and Bernard are Adam and Eve. Again the black and white rocks are game pieces.
To brothers battling it out through eternity with our losties as the soup du jour.
Aaron is Jacobs heir.
It also sounds like they are setting up Kate and Sawyer again.
@Alicia H-bombs dont release tonnes of radiation, its a fusion reaction, sure some fissile material is needed to start it but there would no virtually no fallout from that
A spiritual battle between Jacob and the man in black seems likely. Very similar to C.S. Lewis' space trilogy series. The "un-man" in the second book is a demonic spirit who takes over the body of a dead man and tried to peruade another to do an evil act for him, it involved questioning a being who had been considered the authority. Nearly a perfect parallel.
what if..its jacks eye.. he opens his eyes as in the first epis od 1 season.. same stuff is goin on,they crashed.. n all d thing which happened after that..season 1-5 was only a dream!! his dream!!! :D:D:D:D
to b honest... i think hole season 5 was much more suprising then the final!!!donyt u think??
first time im not really into finding out what brings us the next season...well i am but not like before.. WHATEVER HAPPENS HAPPENS
GOD be with u..we see us in few month :)
It's crazy that some people are acting like the past 5 years has been erased! We have no idea where the writers are going to take season 6! Its totally possible that Daniel was wrong, the bomb didn't work the way it was supposed to, and the past wasn't erased! Maybe only certain things change... what kind of fan says they are done with the show over what they assume is going to happen?
@Michelle... same fans that believed in all those promises made by producers about explaining us some misteries from the past..they promised us a huge suprise in the final.. i believed them!!
now they sayin season 6 will be great.. will it???
i better go n watch some D'wives at least i can watch something funny :)
Did you notice how the "incident" made the same sounds as the smoke monster? Chains clinking, metal scraping, electromagnetic humming, loud banging.
I think this incident created the smoke monster combining Juliet with the metal, electromagnetic energy, nuclear energy & the black dirt from the hole.
ive changed my mind it think its jacks eyes, even through i was blowing away about the finale there was something missing from it i don't know wit it was but something is defo missing and also i guess we know why matt got his head shaved or that could have nothing todo with it, poor jacob looks like ben is bad after all mememememe thats all he ever thinks about these days.
The smoke monster was not created by the incident.
http://lostpedia.wikia.com/wiki/Smoke_monster#Ancient_Times
Got to be honest, i was totally disappointed with the finale.....I honestly expected that locke (with Richard and Alpert) wasnt the real locke....i admit i thought he was smokey, but knew it wasnt the real locke...the finale was a disappointment, we thought the writers would pull out a major twist, but instead they have took they easiest route out by blowing up the bomb and leaving us wondering what happened obviously they survive otherwise you couldnt have another season without the main characters and kate still has to find claire so really they have answered there own cliffhanger already....cant wait for new season but not blown away at all by the finale...shame really cos i had really enjoyed this season....
I agree with you 100% man
Can we at least all agree that it is not Walt's eye?
can't beleave they killed jacob already do they know how long we waited to see this guy what the fu#k man do use think we will see jacob again by the way i want to kill ben im lad now the island ruined his life hope he's the next one to get killed and theres still something missing about that finale that i can't get my head around
Jacob visited everyone who flashed back to 1977 except for Faraday and Miles. Does anyone have a theory on this? Perhaps because they were born/conceived no the island? He also visited Locke. Did he know Locke would die and an imposter Locke would order Ben to kill him?
Why did he even visit the others?
@scottish no1 lost fan
What if Jacob used an impostor just like his enemy did with Locke? Maybe Jacob isn't dead.
The eye could be Jack or Kate...either way....who cares!? It does not tell us much. Stilla live but...when, where? No point arguing over such a futile piece of info.
It's Annie's eye. Totally. Other than that, it's Vincent's. Gotta be.
Seriously, though, it looks like Jack's eye to me. Can't wait for next season :)
Christopher said... is it just me or does it look like there's a face reflected in the upper right portion of the eye? Thursday, May 14, 2009 5:29:00 AM
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Funnily enough it looks like the reflection of a nuclear bomb going off.
Some of you people are absolutely amazing. You're saying that there wasn't much going on in this episode and they destroyed characters and blah, blah, blah. Apparently, there is noooooo pleasing some people and this show could have done the episode a completely different way and you'd still be bitching. You do realize that this isn't the end of the SHOW, only the SEASON, right? Now before you start saying "It's my right to say what I want about the show and/or episode" and you're absolutely right. So let me throw this disclaimer out; IT IS MY OPINION that some of you would only be happy if you were righting the show yourselves and then you would be the ONLY one who liked the show anymore. Have a nice day :)
Oh hey! So this is the place to come if you were less than thrilled with the "epic finale" that will make us want to "eat our own souls". Hahah.
That other thread, if your mind wasn't blown away permenantly, you get attacked. That sucks. I just thought FTL was better, and the 'resounding echos of The Incident' sounded more like a dull thud to me.
Eyes? I'm thinking Jack's. *yawn* But I really don't care. Those two supermen guys are playing with the characters like pawns; they don't really care about more than advancing the game. Fork in the socket? I say more like plastic fork a little too close to the oven. Meh.
Did anyone else catch the part where Alpert tells Jack that he's been off island 3 times to visit Locke. We've only seen 2 of those visits. At birth and at the foster home when he shows him the items.
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agree!!!most of d stuff we knew from spoilers,i was looking foward to see what brings us d 16/17 epi... must say..very disappointed.
as dey promised it should be the twistest final ever and only 1 thing shocked me - LOCKE dead in a case!!! nothing else :(((((("
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I very rarely ever post comments on here, but are f***ing kidding me??? You're disappointed that you weren't surprised more because you knew what was going to happen from SPOILERS?!?!?!?! If you wanna be surprised so badly how bout you stop reading the f-ing spoilers??!?!?! This episode was amazing...and if you ruined it for yourself stop blaming the show...so annoying!!!
It's Jacob eye with black smoke reflection in the pupil.
rock, I assume the third time was when he was in High School. We just never personally saw him.
It can't possibly be a re-set, with no memory if the incident caused a time flash they'd remember, they always did before. I hope it's not back to LA because that stuff has always bored me rigid. And Jack would have all the faults he had before as well as Sawyer and Kate, so how come he gets redemption so quickly this time.
Jack and Juliet's motivations were terrible in this, Sawyer and Kate don't love us enough so we'll blow everything up so they won't make us miserable. Maybe Sawyer and Kate should just get together?
Juliet and James ending was so sad, the sub scene and the hole scene are the best bits they've done.
I think most people would be more pleased if we'd gotten even a five-second clip of what is happening to the losties after the H-bomb went off.
They needed to give us some, vague, unsatisfactory clue about the direction the show is going to go in Season 6, and instead they gave us nothing.
Anyway if Jacob's dead there's a vacancy am I hearing Jack anyone? Jack would like being a god! I just don't want Sawyer to be evil. Anyway if Sawyer loses his memory he can't get all sad and brooding about Juliet and be comforted by Kate.
So I don't think it will necessarily all reset. I think they'll get their asses dumped back on the island and hopefully on the beach which is more like the Season 1 that's been promised. Come to think of it I wouldn't mind seeing a replay of Sawyer and Kate's first kiss, it was magnificent.
Or maybe they're saving money and season 6 is just the best bits cllips and cleverly show the loop WHH.
it's Jacks eye. 100%.
It looks to me like Juliet's eye.
There WAS no major death, so possibly Darlton simply changed their minds at the last minute.
The very-sad Charlie-like death was clearly supposed to be Juliet's
....like Charlie, she sacrificed herself for HER love, Sawyer (knowing he was about to be killed by falling debris)...
However, we see her still alive, and simply do not know what happened when the screen went white. (but, oh WHY didn't she SHOOT the bomb instead of hit it with a rock? THaT would have been more believable...But perhaps there is a REASON, symbolic or functional for having her use a rock instead!)
Maybe next season's opening will be the eye, then zooming out to see it's Juliet ALIVE...then the scene changes, and ....we wait....(possibly to see how well V is received!)
richard's third time off the island was to recruit juliet
Ah, forgot about that!
Anyone think it might be Charlie's eye? (Pace, not Hume). A few little hints about him, "the guitar isn't mine" the DS ring...maybe the bomb caused him not to die
Richard Alpert watched them all die? Maybe he sees the bomb go off from a distance?
There is no way that they taped any scenes for next season already. That looks like the jack eye from 316 to me.
@Alicia - I would feel that Juliet's story would be incomplete because she was unable to communicate to her sister in some way. That was a core motivation for her.
It's Kate or Claire..
It can't be a guy..duhh its a womans eyes.
It could be claire b/c I think her come back is supposed to humongus.
How can anyone think it's not Jack's eye?
is it just me or does it look like something is going on in the background...kinda like a man in a suit laying down...
How in the WORLD is Juliet not listed as an option?
I was reading a recap and was reminded of a few things. We never saw the Jin-Sun reunion. We didn't find out what was in the guitar care. Never saw who was shooting at Locke & co. in the outrigger.
Guys, how is everyone missing the point of the white screen?
The entire episode we're led to believe whatever happened, happened, up to the very end with Chang losing his arm. We leave that scene and learn about Locke/Jacob and then come back to Juliet again, who is successful in detonating the bomb, and what do we get....
The exact opposite of the logo we've come to know. That was the writers way of telling us it HAS been changed without showing us the future as proof. I can't see how that was lost on anyone. They set us up the whole episode to believe nothing could be changed and then turned it on it's head in the very last second, not by showing us changed events, but by showing us the changed logo. Lost is different from here on out.
I watched this show for the idea of people crashing on an island, and quickly got hooked on something else. I guess this myth' heavy show would turn off people still invested in the simple matters of a group of people crashing on an island, but for anyone who's been following it for 5 years wanting to know what this islands great importance is, this was the perfect set up to the last season.
I think everyone's gonna be a lot less disappointed when they can look back on this not as the conclusion of 5 seasons, but the beginning of the one season that matters more than anything. This wasn't a season 5 finale, it was season's six pilot. I've waited for damn near 6-7 years to find out what's going on here, and I'm not about to give up because I gotta way 6-7 more months.
Juliet
It IS Jacks eye from 316. I don't know what we're discussing here....
Its Claire or Juliet, no question.
Aaron!
Locke could well be the major death. It's been highlighted that Christian Shepard's character may take a more permanent position as a series regular next year. He may well be replacing John Locke as the vessel that Dark Man will use. Kinda makes sense actually. Imagine the father/son smackdown!! If that is the case, Terry O'Quinn may be out of the show for good.
Jury is out on Juliette. It's just to early to say for sure. Since the season five finale paralleled season two, could she become the variable through a similar incident to Desmond. Maybe she has flashes before her eyes as well next year? I feel this might work if Desmond is not returning for season 6, especially in light of current events with the actor playing Desmond. Desmond was hyped as being important. if he is kicked from the show, maybe Juliette would take over the storyline originally meant for him. Not saying this is right, just dealing with the realities of a TV show and circumstance that may need the plot to be course corrected!
It's the shot from the Pilot guys! Why is that even a question??
The future has been changed. That is why the screen with the logo had inverted colors. Everyone Jacob touched will now have flashes as Desmond did. They will grow up to remember eachother and when 815 lands LA. Jack, Kate, Hurley, Sawyer, Sayid, Jin, Sun and Locke will all remember eachother as well as their alternate future that occured before jughead was thrown into the swan hole.
This is Jacob's loophole. Their mission will now be to find the island and save Jacob.
Jacks.
Take a look at the available screen shots. You will notice the eyelashes match up perfectly all the way to the small whispy blond one on the left side.
It's JACK 100%... I guess we are in some sort of loop, I just wonder if he retains his memories this time around.
I don't think next year will be so bad if they 'reset' time back to 2004, but retained memories of everything gained over the past years. Can you imagine them all stepping off the plane in LA knowing what they know?!
Juliette I hope.
It's not the shot from the pilot. Please see
http://lostpedia.wikia.com/wiki/Eyes
Vincent.
It surely looks like Juliete!
That "loop-hole" concept is interesting. What if Lost is a constant cycle of events, where in whatever happened - happened.. and in the point of reset, brings the "other" guy great pain. So much pain that he would want nothing else but to kill Jacob but he can't because it never happened in the cycle. The loophole is now "free will" - the future can only be changed via freewill and not direct instructions or involvement by the two characters (Jacob and the other guy).
it is jacks aye, difenetly, the pilot, 316, and season 6 teaser is the same scene with other lichting, it is filmschopped. a other word for photoshop. but then with film.
We will get the first Season 6 "spoilers" in 5 days when ABC releases their upfronts...we may get some casting information which could conclude if Juliet is dead or not.
that is very clearly Kates eye.. We always have these debates on who eye it is...
It was plain as day.. Lockes eye in the cabin in season 4, and this one is not even debatable.. its obvious, maybe its cuz of my background, and my job, but recognizing ppl, on just their eyes is not hard... this is Kate... end of discussion...
and for anyone who doesnt want to believe that, the only other one it could possibly be is Ben. the other characters are easily ruled out.
"Some of you people are absolutely amazing. You're saying that there wasn't much going on in this episode and they destroyed characters and blah, blah, blah. "
The emptiest vessels make the loudest noise, check out the number of awesome votes instead.
These people are more interested in promoting their own egos than following the show, ignore them.
"but, oh WHY didn't she SHOOT the bomb instead of hit it with a rock? "
She hit it with a black rock, still thinking about that one.
You can see the camera in Jack's eye in each of the screencaps.
"The exact opposite of the logo we've come to know. That was the writers way of telling us it HAS been changed without showing us the future as proof. I can't see how that was lost on anyone. "
White vs black, there are so many things in that episode that it's going to take a while to tease out. The white looks to have been a definite clue.
Can't be Juliet, her eyes are blue. Claire's are a very stunning blue. Not "buggy" looking enough to be Ben.
That lostpedia link someone copied above is very helpful:
http://lostpedia.wikia.com/wiki/Eyes
Looking at the list there, it could be Jack... shape is similar. Not sure about the color. Promo eye looks definitely green, whereas Jack's are hazel... they looked greeny-brown in the Pilot (first link below), but they looked dark brown in 316 (second link below).
http://lostpedia.wikia.com/wiki/File:JackEye.jpg
http://lostpedia.wikia.com/wiki/File:5x06_Jack_Eye.jpg
It might also be Kate... the eye color looks to be similar and possibly the shape:
http://images2.wikia.nocookie.net/lostpedia/images/f/fd/KateServed.jpg
I can't believe some people were disappointed with this episode, the first four minutes were enough for the entire two hours.
Also, I'm pretty sure that Ilana was bringing John Locke TO Jacob for (possibly) his "resurrection". I have also thought about the idea of Jacob being an entity much like smokey (as some suggest) and it makes sense, however, the answer to "What Lies in the Shadow of the Statue?" is "He who will save us all." So the specific word HE makes me feel uneasy about Jacob being someone who can just manifest into a body.
If this is the case, who will be able to heal John Locke back to life.. FUCK!
We also know (confirmed by Pierre Chang's hand) that, that is indeed what ALWAYS happened. So we know that the Dharma Initiative stayed on the Island until the purge, and that the Island still exists in 2008. So will they wake up in L.A.? I don't think so, I think that we will see the 70's Losties finally back to present day. Which is what I think Jacob meant by "They're coming."
The eye in this promo is irrelevant, it is archived footage from past episodes. Their definitely may be some slight foreshadowing involved with it but the question "who's eye is that?" is just pointless.
There is a book written by Aldous Huxley called "Jacob's Hands" and it is very interesting, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jacob%27s_Hands:_A_Fable
White Vs. Black. The previous seasons have been about the Dark side's (no name guy) plot. Season 6 will be the white side's (Jacob's) plot to make things right.
Also, the based on the screencaps of the eyes in previous seasons, the closest match is Juliet. Don't just look at the shape, color, or how dialted the pupil is, look at the skin.
Not sure who's eye it is. However, my immediate thought last night was "what was reflected in the eye?" So, I paused my DVR screenshot of it...
And it clearly looked like three faces. And the face on the right looked like that Egyptian god with the bird head.
Could they be who Jacob was referring to when he said, "They're coming?" Could other deities be coming? Could this be why there are many different cultures represented by the Losties?
@lude
The fact that Pierre Chang's hand was injured would not indicate that whatever happened, happened. His hand was always injured, yes, but Juliet detonated the bomb AFTER he injured his hand. That's when things MAYhave been changed.
However, I think whatever happened, happened. Jack and crew were always the CAUSE of the incident. THings getting sucked into the Swan hole by electromagnetism, not exactly catastrophic. The bomb going off, that's probably the big catastrophe. It may have actually fueled the islands electromagnetic powers and made the pull even stronger.
That is Jack's eye from the pilot 110% sure. You can even see the bamboo shoots and leaves in the reflection!!!
Don't worry, next season the evil god will be Widmore, and the good god will be Jack.
@rock
how is pierre's hand getting injured NOT an indication of WHH? the reason pierre was even at the swan site at that particular time was to stop them from drilling, which he was instructed to do by daniel faraday. if juliet "reset" anything with the bomb, none of the losties would have been in the 70's in the first place, and faraday could not have warned chang. since we know that chang survives the incident WITH HIS INJURED HAND, we know that WHH
This was posted earlier:
http://img8.imageshack.us/img8/7312/lostgif.gif
I don't know about use but im still pissed that they killed jacob off so quickly and easly and that little shit Ben im glad he's been put through all that terrible stuff the little pr##k i hope they turture him to death.
juliet is dead
OMG
So many questions, so many thoughts
Best episode ever, best season Finale ever??
Who the f...k is with Ben? Did Ben ....?? What happened after Juliet...
I dont even know if i can talk about it...
Oh my God, I am SHOCKED!!
EPIC!!!
EPIC!!
MARVELOUS!!
BEST EPISODE EVER!!
Sorry for these caps, but I am so excited
When i was voting in polls, in recent 5-6 best note was Great
Now, for this episode there should be option
"BEST EVER!!"
I think it's Jack or Juliet's eye. But Juliet's would make more sense.
But I don't want Juliet to be dead!! I still want her to meet her nephew! and Rachel! And did anybody cry when they thought she'd "died". I did. The look on Sawyers face and her's at the end was amazingg. Ffs. 8 Months.
it's obviously the same footage from the pilot - IT'S JACK'S EYE! you can easily see - the eyelashes pattern is exactly the same.. you can see it on the gif image
I wonder if Ilana and Bram mentioning that Lapedus might be a "Candidate" means that they needed someone to take on Jacob's form now that he's dead - to be the vessel.
Chang's hand always went, the incident always happened and they built what they did over it...
But...
A powerful bomb hadn't gone off before.
The look in Jack's eyes sent shivers down my spine (and in a good way) - 'I don't have to do this but I have a choice, I can do it and I will' (c.f. Jacob's words to Ben, Jack is Jacob's disciple).
The key is Jacob then, not Desmond or anyone else. Jacob has the power to change things, as does his nemesis (Esau?). His nemesis is the dark side and why fate had the upper hand in season five; the light side, free will is now needing to fight back in season six and, in some way, the bomb has helped this side and Jacob will prevail.
Well, that solves the whole "who's eye is it" question.
Thanks to Kathleen for this:
http://img8.imageshack.us/img8/7312/lostgif.gif
Moving on to bigger questions. Does anyone else find it very hard to believe that Rose and Bernard managed to survive unoticed for 3 YEARS without being spotted by the others or the Dharma Initiative? Oh, also while stealnig Dharma food from god know where.
Their scene was completely useless.
We're not going anywhere, you people should stop fighting. you go blow up the bomb, we'll wait here. See ya
that is undoubtedly Kate
I think the Rose and Bernard scene (as well as being incredibly touching) will be much more important than it first sppears.
@rock
Pierre Chang lost his arm because of the Incident, I definitely see significance in them showing Pierre's arm/hand getting crushed by the energy and symbolism in his prosthetic arm in the Swan orientation video.
http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a58/alwaysclutch/vlcsnap-497552.png
@cardinal_pirelli
Yes, Chang always lost his arm. And the incident always happened. Once the bomb went off, the future might have been changed. That's when Jack will wake up as he did in the pilot. This time, with knowledge of what is to come. Given to him when his future self flashed back to his body (As Desmond did in the constant)
I also think Desmond is still the key. I believe Jack will run straight to the hatch, knock on the door and Season 1 will play out differently. Next stop, Dharmaville. He and Kate now know the code to the fence from that scene in follow the leader. They'll likely pay Ben and Richard a surprise visit.
I know Pierre Lost his arm. As indicated in the Swan video. I'm just saying, the fact that we saw his arm get injured doesn't necessarily cement the theory that whatever happened happened and that nothing can be changed. If the future has been changed, it occured moments AFTER he was injured. When Juliet smashed the bomb.
I want it to be Juliet's eye. Oh how I want it to be her eye! any ideas if juliet is gonna stay dead or just be off doing her own thing next season?
Rock - I think we are saying the same thing!
Go to Lostpedia and look at the eye section: It's Jack's, down to the two age lines under it.
@Sunil Minnajeb
They said we found him in the cargo hold, in a coffin.
We know who's eye it is. That has been solved.
http://img8.imageshack.us/img8/7312/lostgif.gif
Season 6 promo vs. Jack's eye from 316
It's Jack's eye, which means they actually did change something!
I had solid reasoning for WHDH but I seem to be drawing a blank at the moment. Originally I thought Faraday's death confirmed WHH but perhaps last time they didn't get the bomb to go off and that is why Ellie had to send him back knowing she was probably going to shoot him.
What confuses me though is how both Jacob and Esau wanted the six to come back, the bomb couldn't have been the "loophole" he was talking about, and clearly he wanted Locke to die so he could "resurrect" him but then why was Jacob so intent on convincing Hurley to come?
The fact that it's the exact same scene as season one in the eyeball is awesome, that's so exciting.
It's insane that any one of you are even asking whose eye that is. It is a quick shot of the exact footage from "316." It's just metaphorical in a way to tease season 6. "Destiny Found." And everything.
I'm with everyone who is asking what is reflected in the letters and stuff. Probably nothing. But Jesus guys, that is Jack's eye from 316. Some of you are insane.
Btw, my opinion on the last scene flashing to white - I am still super, super p i s s e d off. But I won't rant here. I just could not have been more disappointed. The other 119.9 minutes was the best hours of telvision I've ever seen in my entire life.
@rock:
I think that in The Incident, it was implied that during the grid searches that Jin did, he did find them, but they decided to stay there. That's what I understood from the dialouge.
@Allen
"What confuses me though is how both Jacob and Esau wanted the six to come back, the bomb couldn't have been the "loophole" he was talking about, and clearly he wanted Locke to die so he could "resurrect" him but then why was Jacob so intent on convincing Hurley to come?"
No the bomb is not the "loophole" John Locke is. Esau wanted JL to die so he could use his dead body as an advantage to influence Ben to kill Jacob, because he can't himself.
Jacob apparently needs everyone he visited for something, I feel like he certainly visited people he needs (some sort of) help from..
it is a young kids eye. Aaron most likely. also you can see a hand puppet or doll of a ugly witch or a punch and judy doll.
in the corner of the brown of the eye,upper right. sorry forgot to put this,lol.
anybody else here know that cusiks son is named Esau. hope the bad luck he is have has nothing to do with island,lol. maybe he is being cursed form the show,island the name Esau,and Esau being a bad man,lol.
Young kid's eye? It's Jack's eye. I thought this was not even a question...
what if the reason jacob died so willingly was because he is going to inhabit the locke-in-the-box body, and that's why they brought it there? Then we get to see two Lockes next season and one's really Jacob and the other is really bad creepy guy? No more ridiculous than half the other stuff that seems to be going on in the show now. I was disappointed last night, truly. I hope juliet lives. I think what he did to the bomb might have been the same as what desmond did when he turned the failsafe. I have a feeling she'll end up running around the jungle in 2007, stark naked (now that would increase the ratings considerably...)
It would make sense that Jacob wants to possess the other Locke and then we can have double the Locke.
Although the way they said in the recap that Locke was "communicating with the island" better when he returned from the dead makes me believe that Esau was the one manipulating him the entire time.
@lude
Exactly! And he had to convince Ben to follow Locke (which was actually Smokey/Jacob's rival because for some reason, he can't kill Jacob himself. Ben had to do it. It also makes sense that imposter Locke was missing during the time Ben was being "judged". And of course, it was imposter Locke who told Richard to tell the real Locke he had to die.
OMG, its jacks eye guys!! here I made a video for anyone who doubts it.
http://www.zshare.net/video/600250419dc58c93/
It's obviously Jack's eye. Here's another comparison, I tried to make them the same size, etc.
http://i39.tinypic.com/5nt1f6.jpg
I'm interested in the pattern of the eye open/close. Meaning?
This is stupid. Obviously THE SAME EXACT FOOTAGE from season one. It's an effing commercial, not a "teaser." They haven't even filmed anything from Season Six.
@petescully
Assuming Jacob can manifest into other dead bodies.. The thing is, is that smokey just replicates FROM a dead body not the actual one. So the thought that Jacob will fuse with the actual dead body seems pretty unrealistic. I don't think Jacob died willingly either, I don't think he could do anything about it, kinda like the whole "I can show you the door, but you have to open it." Type thing.
He presented Ben with an opportunity to walk away, he couldn't make him.
Picture a chess game, would you move your opponents pieces? No, you have to let it happen, and use strategical playing (most likely off the other player's decisions) to win.
I agree though I do not think Juliet is dead (or any of them) and her running naked through the woods would be AWESOME!!!
Lol also I don't know if you were joking this whole time so if I took it the wrong way...
oops.
i dunno. the skin tones are COMPLETELY different. and not just tanner vs. more pale. one has olive/yellow undertones (which matt fox has) and the skin around this eye has pinkish/blueish undertones. also, in the shot that has part of an eyebrow--that eyebrow is *WAY* more maintained than jack's.
not sure whose it is, but i'm not sold on it being jack's...even with the lovely juxtaposition from sluky and lostcandy: different skin tones.
Wow Dark, 195 posts about an eye?!? It's Jacks, always has been. If I'm wrong I'll eat my undies.
I'm definitely on the side of those who believe that the bomb is what caused the Incident. Just the electromagnetism?? Maybe "AN incident" for sure...but the bomb going off and who knows what happening as a result? That justifies calling it "THE Incident".
And about them actually changing the future, I just can't see it. They did end with a white screen (which could mean anything), but they also ended this season by beginning a whole new aspect of the mythology (Ilana's group, Jacob, Locke not being Locke, etc, etc) and let's face it, it would be difficult to continue developing these stories (and provide answers to questions about the island they've promised) if we suddenly went back to season 1. And right, they're going to get all those actors to return without going over budget...I'm sorry but I can't believe some people actually believe this!!
Last comment: seeing Rose & Bernard, whether you like them or not (I love them), makes the show more believable. I for one have been wondering what happened to the rest of the 815ers all season, so for me, that was great. And as lame as their dialogue may have been, this is a show about people, and as in the real world, these characters are driven by love, which darlton have repeatedly said is central to this show. Same can be applied to the drama between Jack & Kate, Sawyer & Juliet, etc. For those who were annoyed by Juliet's last words to Sawyer, do you honestly think you wouldn't have said the exact same stuff in her position? Oh, that's right, you woulda been telling the one you love that the numbers 4, 8, 15, 16, 23, and 42 are part of a mathematical equation to determine when the world will end. Right. I love the mythology on this show (it's addictive), but also a big fan of the characters and their relationships.
I seriously can't believe there is THIS much discussion about the eye. I thought it was PAINSTAKINGLY OBVIOUS that it was Jacks. Why does this need any poll or discussion? Jeez, this is what I find most annoying when I read theories or discussions. People always overlooking and overanalyzing. And David B. King, I agree completely.
Hey XxMayhemxX, looks like you're bad at your job if it was "very clearly Kate's eye."
I want it to somewhat be Juliet's....I so much want her to stay alive....=/
Why does anyone care whose eye it is? There's not much to infer from an eye.
It's Kate's. I KNOW THAT EYE