Update: 4th Nov Thanks to Annie for the heads up on this photo of Terry O'Quinn on the set.
Source: Adrian Hopkin@Flickr
Earlier today we posted some photos from Ryan's report here. Thanks to DarkUFO reader Lostforeever we have a few more and this report.
I'm attaching some shots that I managed to snag from the same day as the fan from Ryan's blog (Monday Nov 2). They had been there all day, but the rain was affecting their shooting schedule. I actually went right into Sawyer's tent where Ben had previously been digging up something or burying something and it was covered with a fatigue looking tarp. If you look at the Ben-Ilana with gun pic, I'm in the background! How cool is that. Everything the fan said is correct, the only thing I would add is that there were 8 graves near Eko's church..don't know what that was, but they could be screwing with us! The crew were quite accommodating, but we stuck it out through the rain so they knew we were die-hard. I saw Miles, Frank, Ben, Ilana and Sun...but only Frank, Ben and Ilana actually shooting. As we were leaving, it looked like Sun had a scene coming up.
Source: Lostforeever@DarkUFO
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The 8 graves probably belong to everyone who has died thus far...in the original timeline.
Here's your 8 graves, some filled, some just there in memorium: Jack, Kate, Sayid, Sawyer, Hurley, Miles, Jin, Juliette.
Shannon, Boone, Nikki, Paulo, Steve (or was that Scott), Libby, Ana Lucia, Joanna (the woman who drowned). That would account for 8 graves.
Edward Marr, Ethan and Eko were not buried in the graveyard.
Ok, so based on the 8 graves, the shot of the fuselage, and 1000 other spoilers, the crash of 815 was not, in fact, UNDONE or RESET. If the detonation of Jughead merely dislodged the Dharma-Losties' consciousnesses and sent them to an Alt-time-line, clearly they HAVE to return to the original time-line....there is no reason to continue the Jin-Ben-Jacob-Flocke-Alpert storyline unless the Dharma-Losties will eventually be re-joining them and interacting with them. If there was a 'reset' of the 815 time-line, than Sun's time-line would never exist....they would have to explain away a TON of details that clearly prove Sun's timeline follows the crash of 815, i.e. Losties being in the Dharma Photo, Christian/Sun/Lapidus etc being on the Island. 815 CRASHED. So we have an alternate time-line then?
So the question is, HOW do they get back to the original time-line? Clearly, just crashing on the Island wouldn't do it...there's no telling what state the Island would be in, who would be on it, as it's not the same time-line/Island from Sun/Frank's reality.
Could it be that the Island is a nexus of timelines, like The Dark Tower? I hope not. That would mean an infinite number of Jacks or Kates could crash on the Island, one from each time-line. Their deaths on the Island would become meaningless(much like their deaths during Jughead's detonation).
I think this is a horrible turn of events, if there is one alternate time-line, there are infinite alternate time-lines...so why should I care about one in particular?
I'm hoping that the alt-time-line is a dream or some sort of consciousness event that merely shows the Losties that it's time to accept their pasts and focus on what they can change, the future...if they end up TRULY being in an alt-time-line, and work their way back to Sun's time-line, I think the logic of the show takes a hit. A multi-verse ruins everything!
IGU, not trying to insult you here bud, but there have been a huge number of us postulating an alternate timeline pretty much since last May. Some have even said the whispers are spillover from the concurrent running, alternate timeline.
So your "thinking out loud" is basically a summary of literally 100s of debates and theories here for the last 5+ months.
Well thank Jacob you tried not to insult me, I'm sure the urge was overwhelming.
Anyways, if I came off like I had made some sort of breakthrough, I apologize, I'm well aware of the theories of the masses with regards to the ALT-Timeline...I was merely venting.
If the LA X storyline turns out to be real, and not some sort of dream or vision, I think it undermines the logic of the show and it will definitely tarnish it for me.
You simply can't introduce multiverses, infinite incarnations of characters and events, and cherry-pick one alt-time-line just to bail out the narrative of the show.
John, I think IGU is simply expressing a 'distaste' for the AU/reality scenario rather than postulating the idea of one for the first time.
Re Ben digging inside Sawyer's tent: At first I thought he may be searching for something from Sawyer's stash (eg: any remaining guns) but that wouldn't really make sense as, as far as we know, he didn't know about the stash.
It could be possible however he is trying to bury 'incriminating evidence' (i.e. the knife he used to stab Jacob) out of the sight of prying eyes.
Alright, so its pretty much common knowledge now that what will be taking the place of the flashbacks this season will be a view of a universe in which 815 landed safely (likely created by the Jughead explosion). Rather than continue to debate the ENORMOUS problems with the idea that the bomb going off "created" this universe somehow, I'm simply going to pose this question to you all: what could POSSIBLY be the point? Sure it will be cool to see the way things would be different if the Incident never happened, but how could it possibly be relevant to what will be going on in our original timeline? The only answers I can think of take the show out of the realm of SciFi and into the realm of absurdity, I'm afraid. Are there any theories out there on what the importance of this alternate world will be?
I'd say Jack's determination to detonate Jughead mirrors his determination to get off the Island as well as return to the Island.
In both instances, leaving the Island(donkey wheel) and returning to the Island(Ajira 316) had serious consequences with regards to plot.
However, Jughead was detonated in the PAST of Sun's time-line...so I'm not quite sure what will change on-Island with regards to the information we already have..I'd assume all of that stays the same.
Thus, I'd say outside of the character-arcs(realizing their old lives weren't worth rushing back to), they must bring someone or something BACK to Sun's time-line. Perhaps Ilana is in the Alt-time-line and returns to Time-line #1 with the Dharmies, pre-316. Maybe the culminating event in the Alt-time-line leaves her wounded and battered, enter Jacob.
Gotta reiterate though..I despise this multi-verse garbage.
I for one don't understand all the complaining and bitching about this alt-time line story. With all the crazy twists and sci-fi elements already introduced, how is it that this alt-time stuff is where people draw the line?
They are NOT going to erase the character growth that we have witnessed for the past 5 years. That's really all that matters. But If they do, then we can bitch. So until then how about we just trust TPTB.
Sorry I know this is irrelevant to this post, but right now last season's Lost is on G4 and it's the one where Locke is trying to get them back to the island.
Poor Locke! I'm actually crying right now! No matter how the show ends, if John doesn't finally find peace and happiness when the series ends, I will hate it and those who created it. If John finally gets a break, I'll take whatever they throw out at the end.
I think we should all be asking ourselves why Miles was there?? Why is Miles in the 2007 timeline (if indeed we are seeing the 2007 timeline here). It would seem like it because we see Sun, Frank, Ilana, and Ben...
Still believe that Sun's and Jin's love for each other will rejoin the Jughead-1977 group to the 2007-316 group. At their wedding, did Jacob say anything about their love being eternal?
Pull The Deathcore Bitches said...
I think we should all be asking ourselves why Miles was there?? Why is Miles in the 2007 timeline (if indeed we are seeing the 2007 timeline here). It would seem like it because we see Sun, Frank, Ilana, and Ben...
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From this report looks like that ken leung isn't actually filming there, maybe he's there just for a visit.
I trust the writers of LOST implicitly. The larger picture has been planned out, the ending has been known for years. They've given me 5 years of intelligent plot and writing that is the foundation for my confidence. They asked me to trust them at Comic-Con, and I'm going to.
I am calling on everyone who has taken the time to post here with your ALT-bitching that when the show ends, you realize you were wrong, to come back here and post "I was wrong!" in a John Locke sort of way, confessing to Desmond/Eko. I don't see it happening.
^^^^Ken L was in full "Miles" costume and believe me the beach camp is not somewhere you visit, espicially on a rainy day like that one. He had or was about to do scenes I'm sure of it, I even have a pix of him taking a cigarette break which I didn't post.
I don't see why one Alt time line indicates a multiverse. The detonation of Jughead caused a single alt time line to come into being, that doesn't then indicate there are infinite time lines. Think of this single alt time line as course correction but on a massive scale. One time line splits into two, then the two time lines merge back into one. The universe then dusts its hands off and says "all fixed."
--I am calling on everyone who has taken the time to post here with your ALT-bitching that when the show ends, you realize you were wrong, to come back here and post "I was wrong!" in a John Locke sort of way, confessing to Desmond/Eko. I don't see it happening.--
Or, you could just mind your own business about what other people like and dislike. If someone doesn't like the idea of an alt timeline, who the hell are you to tell them they SHOULD like it? Everyone has their own opinion and this is the forum for articulating those opinions. Until the person who runs this site tells them otherwise, people are allowed to post whatever they want, positive or negative. If you have a problem with that, then maybe you should stop checking the posts, because people aren't going to stop because YOU told them to.
--people are allowed to post whatever they want, positive or negative.--
Within reason, of course!
lostforeever said...
"Ken L was in full "Miles" costume and believe me the beach camp is not somewhere you visit, espicially on a rainy day like that one. He had or was about to do scenes I'm sure of it, I even have a pix of him taking a cigarette break which I didn't post."
oh could you pls pls pls post that pic somwhere? pretty pls *makes huge puppy eyes*
Graves: 1-Scott/steve
2-Boone
3-shannon
4-anna lucia
5-libby
6-Nikki and Paulo buried in one grave
7-Locke
8- ?????
lostforeever said...
^^^^Ken L was in full "Miles" costume and believe me the beach camp is not somewhere you visit, espicially on a rainy day like that one. He had or was about to do scenes I'm sure of it, I even have a pix of him taking a cigarette break which I didn't post.
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Oh, good to know then. So this kinda confirmed that he's back in 2007, i guess they're all gonna be back by the end of episode 6.06
I wonder why Miles is the only one to be back at the moment... where's jack, hurley (at the lighthouse?), kate and sawyer? sayid and jin were hurt so they might be out of the action for a while
anyways, I'm glad Miles is still around (hopefully for a LONG time) and I really wanna see that ken leung picture :):):)
Terry looks a little grouchy. He ALWAYS smiles for pictures :)
Hey Brian,
as far as my opinion on ALT is concerned, I'm going to quote someone words to use in my defense:
Brian, you could just mind your own business about what other people like and dislike. If someone likes the idea of an alt timeline, who the hell are you to tell them they SHOULDN'T like it? Everyone has their own opinion and this is the forum for articulating those opinions. Until the person who runs this site tells them otherwise, people are allowed to post whatever they want, positive or negative. If you have a problem with that, then maybe you should stop checking the posts, because people aren't going to stop because YOU told them to."
Interestingly enough, at no point in my above post that you responded to, did I tell people to stop posting about their dislike of ALT. Nor did I say they should like it, or weren't allowed to not like it. You responded to a strawman, not my post. But, your response could be used to support my view anyway, so I quoted it.
IMHO Sun, Ben, all those Ajirans are already in the alternate timeline (which branched off in 1977.) That is why the barracks were in such a weird state- in this timeline, the DI abandoned the barracks after the Incident and the Others never moved in.
Also, apparently the incident happened in both timelines? IMHO this confirms that the "incident" is NOT the Jughead detonation! The incident was the electro-magnetic catastrophe that took Chang's hand. The Jughead detonation split us into two universes- one where it exploded, one where it didn't. The timeline with no explosion was the timeline we've seen all 5 years. The timeline WITH the explosion is the one Sun, Ben, etc arrive in. Here, the DI was abandoned shortly after a nuclear warhead went off. Maybe in that timeline the "quarantine" was real!
Now of course the question is: what about Charlie's ring, the hatch door, and other evidence that they WERE in the same timeline? I think this was very deliberate misdirection, but I can't think of any explanation.
When Jughead split the timelines, in ONE universe, Jack et al were killed. This group is who Richard- "2008" timeline Richard- saw die. In the JH-asplode timeline, they're all dead. But in the JH-not-asplode timeline, they're obviously alive, and go on to have pirate adventures. Eventually they somehow end up in the "2008" universe.
And I think the 2008 universe might be special... perhaps it is a pastiche of many timelines, "collapsed" into one. That's the only way I can justify seeing the hatch door from a hatch that wasn't built.
oh hmmm. The JH-not-explode timeline is the one we'll be seeing in the alt-flashbacks. 815 arrives safely in LAX because the hatch wasn't built. So are the alt-timeline characters in the same alt-timeline as Sun, Ben, etc? If so, that would mean Ben was in two places at once! Being Dr. Linus in some school, and also on the Island. Sun and Frank could also have dopplegangers. This is evidence, I think, that the "2008" timeline is *not* set anywhere near 2008. Remember, they *flashed* from night to day right before landing- we do not know when they are. I think this is more evidence that Sun and Ben are in a "collapsed" pastiche of universes. The only reason we assumed it was 2008 was because we saw the beach camp.
And, uh, somehow, Egypt ties in, via the portal to Tunisia, and some ancient cultural exchange. Which direction is the question...
@ IGU: You say:
If the LA X storyline turns out to be real, and not some sort of dream or vision, I think it undermines the logic of the show and it will definitely tarnish it for me.
You simply can't introduce multiverses, infinite incarnations of characters and events, and cherry-pick one alt-time-line just to bail out the narrative of the show.
I really don't think that the writers would do such a "Middle School Creative Writing" thing like that.
But if they are not Introducing this ALT reality, but are really revealing it, and saying that it has been there the whole time, and show us when, and how, and why, and where, it is there, and why it's relevant and reveal the times when it is important to the past of the show and the island itself, then It will be the most Genius writing I have ever seen! Do you get what I'm saying, this is how we who have been behind this whole ALT thing are seeing it, we look at it as an explanation of inexplicable things, and why characters react so irrationally to certain things, and how did this happen and how did that happen, So with all due respect, take a step back and think about it in that context you will see that the awesome opportunities to tie up this shows loose ends are almost endless.
@ zeroanaphora:
"The only reason we assumed it was 2008 was because we saw the beach camp."
Well, not the *only* reason. We also assumed that because Richard told Locke it had been three years since he last seen him -- three years since Ben turned the donkey wheel and started the time-jumping. We know that took place at the very end of 2004/beginning of 2005, and we know that the O6 were off-island for approx. three years. *That's* why we assume the post-Ajira Ben-Sun-Frank-Locke plot is taking place in 2007 or 2008.
The presence of the beach camp, Charlie's ring, the hatch door, etc., is evidence that the post-Ajira plot is in the *same* timeline/reality as the first four seasons of the show, but it doesn't shed any light on *when* that plot is taking place (other than, obviously, that it's some time after the events giving rise to the camp, the ring, the door, etc.).
Have I mentioned that Ricky is my favorite poster here? He's my brother from another Other's mother.
--Interestingly enough, at no point in my above post that you responded to, did I tell people to stop posting about their dislike of ALT. Nor did I say they should like it, or weren't allowed to not like it. You responded to a strawman, not my post. But, your response could be used to support my view anyway, so I quoted it.--
Point taken, John. I must have woke up in a crabby mood this morning or something. I apologize for snapping.
Ricky, I am a pessimist by nature but I try and go with the mantra, "hope for the best, expect the worst". With that being said, I REALLY hope that you're right about the alt scenarios that we are seeing in these filming reports. That would be a great way to tie everything together but almost anything short of that would be fairly disappointing, IMO
Terry O'Quinn reminds me of Freddy Krueger in this picture. For some reason I get the feeling he has a claw on behind the guys back..
miles was there yesterday definitley filming. had too much in the way to see exactly what and who he was with.