Here is Insiderscoops synopsis of The Man Behind the Curtain. Turn away now unless you want to know the details of the episode.
I STRONGLY ADVISE YOU NOT TO READ THIS UNLESS YOU WANT TO BE TOTALLY SPOILED
Note: These are typed up from memory and will contain a few detail and grammatical errors along with a gap or two.
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(unless you are translating)
WOW where do I start?
FBack
For starters Ben is a liar we knew that but he was not born on the island he was born in near Portland. His mother Emily and father Roger were hiking when she went into labor. They make it seem like they are on the island but Roger picks up mother and child and runs to the highway and flags someone down for help just before Emily dies.
FForward
Today is Ben’s b-day he’s looking at a doll given to him years earlier by a little girl named Annie for his Birthday. Richard comes into Ben’s tent to ask if Ben wants him to take the tape recorder back for Juliette again. Ben is shocked that it hadn’t been done before they left and thinks maybe Tom (zeke) might know where the recorder is.
Ben and Richard leave tent and talk to Tom but Tom is distracted by Locke carrying his father’s body. You can almost see anger in Ben’s expression. He tells Ben to start at the beginning.
Ben tells Locke he answers to Jacob a man who nobody other than Ben has seen or spoken to and Locke calls him a liar. Ben says you don’t just go to him you are summoned by him. Locke insists that Ben take him to meet Jacob. Or I’ll let everyone know your brainwashing them and making it all up.
FBack
Ben who is about 10 and father arrive to the Island via Submarine with many other people for the Dharma Initiative. The island has already been operational before they arrived. The person who stopped to pick up Bens mother and father on the highway is Horace Goodspee and he has given his father a job. Bens father is disappointed to find out he was given a janitorial job as Roger Workman he drives the van Hurley found.
FForward
Mikahl comes from the woods looking for Ben and informs about Naomi and her ship. Ben says I thought the fence killed you? Mikahl says it must not have been set to a lethal limit. Ben says we will take the women tomorrow and we’ll take care of her. Mikahl insists that it can’t wait and something must be done right away.
Locke chimes in and says Ben’s not going anywhere with you. He’s taking me to see Jacob everyone is shocked. Ben says I’m sorry John it’ll have to wait I need to take care of this first. Then Locke walks over to Mikahl and starts kicking his butt Ben calls for Tom and Richard to intervien and stop Locke but they don’t move they all just watch Locke beat him up. Then Locke turns to Ben and says “when do we leave”?
Just before they venture out to see Jacob, Alex shows up and gives Locke a gun and says if you’re going to see Jacob you’ll need this. Ben looks at his daughter in a manner as to say WTF are you doing she then says happy birthday dad.
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Sawyer has played the tape for Sayid and Kate and Juliet and Jack are no where to be found. They have a group meeting when Jack and Juliet show up and Juliet tells them to turn the tape over and play the other side. Ben is telling Juliet that there isn’t time to get other samples they are coming tomorrow. After Juliet gave Sun the sonogram she evidently told Jack what Ben sent her there to do. Jack didn’t tell the Losties because he hasn’t decided what to do yet. “We have some catching up to do.” He must know something but you don’t find out tonight.
FBack
Ben is in school now and an alarm goes off Hostiles (natives) are attacking. Ben’s father has become a drunk and never remembers Ben’s B-day and one night he tells Ben he can’t celebrate on the day you killed your mother. Now I’m stuck with you on this island. Little Ben runs away and arrives to the sonic fence. He believes he sees his mom on the other side and starts to go to her. She says stop it’s not time yet and she goes away.
Next time out during the day he disables the alarm code 54439 and gets past the sonar fence. He runs through the woods and hears voices like in the earlier episodes. He sees Richard who apparently is a Native and says to take me with you. Richard says if you mean it then we can make it happen but it will take a lot of patience.
FForward
I don’t want to ruin the meeting with Jacob so I will not elaborate on what happens it’s something you’ll want to watch first hand.
FBack
Grown up Ben is now also a workman and once again it is his birthday and dad forgot. They are on a Beer run to the pearl dad suggest they can stop on a hilltop and enjoy a beer and have a father son moment. Ben tells his dad that putting up with him requires a lot of patience. Ben puts on a gas mask and opens a canister killing his father he then goes back to the village with the mask still on and everyone from the Dharma initiative is dead including the man that gave his father the job. Richard and a small group of people with masks and guns come from behind a building and Richard removes his mask and asks Ben do you want us to bring his body here? Ben says no leave him there. I think it was Bens plan.
I’m not sure at this point if Ben is the leader, he did speak to Richard with some atthority but I’m not really sure. Ben shows Locke a mass grave site and says these were my people the last of the Dharma Initiative. He will later tell Locke that the Dharma Initiative came seeking Harmony yet they couldn’t get along with the original inhabitants. So he made a choice a long time ago that one group had to be purged. I was smarter than them and thats why I didn’t end up in there ……….. I won’t tell you the rest you’ll have to watch.
This will make more sense when you fill in the blanks. (The meeting with Jacob and the last few moments between Ben and Locke) But it will give you a feel for the show.
I loved it.
Insiderscoop

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can some1 just tell me his opinion of the episode. i dont want to know what happens, just if he likes it or not.
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oooh, i got first post, go me!!
I read the first words "wow where do I start" and I stopped, I just can't do it, I can't spoil myself if that is how he feels about this episode, it could be a good or a bad thing but i am taking it as a good thing. Lets see if i make it through work today without taking another peek.
Must...Not...Look...Aaaaarggghhh!!!
Took a bullet for you guys and skimmed the episode.
At the bottom, it says he loved it. And he's put more detail into recapping this one than he has for the past couple.
I'm guessing it's a doozy of an episode. :D <3
Now the hard part...not reading for the next...10 hours. ;_;
if it starts with WOW it must me good, i cant wait till 2mozza nite (i live in UK, so i download it)
Holy Crap! I can't wait 9 more hours for this. It is gonna be awesome-the best of the season. Whew!
He does NOT spoil a few key moments of the episode. This is nowhere near 100% spoilage. And, yes, the episode appears to be a huge one in the show's mythology.
must not read!!!!!!!!!
So lemme get this straight? Insiderscoop doesn't want to spoil his spoilers? Amazing.
I just read the whole thing and it sounds like a good episode. Insiderscoop does not reveal who or what Jacob is, thanks for that, nor does he explain what happens at the very end.
I cannot wait for later tonight!
BOO!!!
To spoil an episode, you have to reveal the details. We're all grown up here, we can decide whether or not we want to read the details of the critical interaction. So....
BOO!!!
But thanks for giving us this much, seriously.
Wow, so Joop is Jacob!!!!
And Juliet is Ben's daughter!!!!
Holly Jumping Taco Stamp
i need to know now!! i am a total insiderscoop junky....give me my fix.....
wow
Wow... I cannot believe our own spoiler guy doesn't wanna spoil it. I'm so excited for this episode; even moreso than last weeks', and that's saying something! Can't wait!
Much props for withholding the greatness, you are a stronger man than I. If you would have typed it, I would have read it.
Thanks again for saving me from myself- I can't be trusted. :)
Wow, Vincent is Jacob!?
so can i read this and still save some excitement for tonights episode? or are u saying the things he doesnt mention arent revealed anyway?
LOL - I didn't want to be spoiled, but still read. Wow, what will power I have. Oh well, I am on day 31 of not smoking. So thats where my will power has gone!!!
must not read! ::runs away::
'm going to make a guess, based on what we know so far...
Jacob is the wooden stick, which Ben says only speaks to him. Locke will become angry and kill Ben, at which point the stick will begin speaking to Locke.
Just an educated guess, but nothing certain...The fact that Jensen/EW described the Two Words as important because Locke is able to hear them was a giveaway, methinks.
Andrew-LOL That would be awesome! Otherstationdotcom-I am glad held back some too cuz I sure would have read it!
Insider, can you please tell us about Jacob?
We're grown-ups here. If someone doesn't want to find out, they don't have to read.
I agree with the Jacob-stick theory. It fits.. from what I read in this spoiler, Ben looks quite insane - especially in the killing part.. if you read it, you know what I mean.. so it could be possible: Ben's talking to a stick! O_o
But how can a stick cure Juliet's sister's cancer?
I also have the vague suspicion that Jacob is just another one of Ben's power schemes, yet it doesn't add up.
Oh well, stick for now.
WALT is Jacob !!!!
Juliet's cancer never came back Jenny.
Ben was lying about that too.
I don't think Jacob is the stick though. Why would Locke need a gun to face him if he was just a stick?
c'mon tell us,who jacob is? how he looks like?
But if Ben is insane, then so are all the other people on the island who are seeing visions and hearing whispers!
Interesting that Richard is a native "hostile" but Ben is not!
Still clinging to "Richard is Jacob" but IScoop seems to be pointing elsewhere. Still cant figure it out.
@ jenny
yes, you're right.. but if there is actually no Jacob, Ben did it..
well, I don't know :)
Don't want to read it! Did it last week and feld realy bad during the episode...
Excellent choice by InsiderScoop. He has never held back, but as is the case with this article, some things are just better left for us to see for ourselves.
BTW folks, InsiderScoop described the flashbacks and the vast majority of the Island time, but left the Jacob stuff and the last convo out.
So I don't really feel all that spoiled.
Jacob is Joop!
I'm telling you, that's why Locke needs a gun cause it's a giant old orangutan.
Mark my words!
For you time loop theorists, HORACE GODSPEED anagrams to DOGEARED EPOCHS. I'm just sayin'
I have been waiting all day on Insiderscoops posts, as I do every Wednesday. I hate to be negative, but I wished he had just said "Sorry, I refuse to spoil this one", instead of giving us bits and pieces. I am an all or nothing person.
I always decide if I should watch Lost live or in the morning on abc.com based on his review. Since I don't know enough about the episode, I'll go with the limited commercial interruptions on abc.com. I might not want to miss a second if I take too long of a bathroom break.
Why would Locke need a gun to face him if he was just a stick?
Because Ben is holding the stick? ie. the gun is to guard against Ben.
i think jacob is mr hanky, the christmas poo, seeing as it will be around xmas on the island
Haha other James... i glanced at that and thought it said "Why would Locke need a gun to face him if he has the Jesus stick?"
And why indeed. Locke should grab the Jesus stick and go to town.
I think that stick is the doll given to Ben years earlier by a little girl named Annie for his Birthday.
So should we count Ben's parents in the 5 deaths too?
thank you insiderscoop for not spoiling the whole episode for us.maybe in future could you leave out the really shocking bits of the episode.readers be alarmed,there is still some bits left in that could spoil parts of episode!!!!especially the flashbacks!
PLEASE I NEED TO KNOW WHO JACOB IS!!!!!! I HAVE EXAMS TOMORROW AND I WONT BE ABLE TO STUDY!! GO ONNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNN
I don't think so. We already knew Roger was dead and we had never met his mother before so she can't be one of the deaths.
I have to say it again.
I'm very disappointed at what inside did this time. Some of us here prefer to watch the episode knowing what will happen.
There are also a lot of people who don't get to see the episode until tomorrow and they rely on IS to find out what happens.
I wish he reconsiders and gives us more details.
I'm glad he didn't give up all the goods. It makes me think this might be the best Lost yet! That's why he wants to save it for everyone to enjoy and be surprised.
Locke needs the gun because...
Jacob, who up till now only spoke to Ben, now tells Locke to...
"Kill Ben."
Two words. Ben is not needed anymore.
Locke points the gun at Ben.
Fade Out.
LOST
Look, if I want someone to be concerned about my well-being and enjoyment, I'll call my mother.
If I want some SPOILERS, I call INSIDERSCOOP
I WANT ANSWERS!!!!
Thanks Insiderscoop!
::tapping her veins for a fix::
Is it 9:00CDT yet?
Thanks for not "spoiling" the whole beans!!!
I can't believe that Jacob is the Taco Bell dog! Whod'a thunk! :-D)
Anthony cooper is jacob
new brunswick russels is that true?? whats your source??
Josh, Anthony Cooper would make an interesting twist. Could be. That's what lurks in my feeble mind.
to news brunswick russels.
what? is it really true?
well ,yeah,ben is not acting anymore like amysterious guy ,who controls and knows everything,he's becoming " normal" person.
WTF?!?!?!?
I have been waiting all day to find out who Jacob is and now I have to wait until 10:00 PM!?!?!?
Again I say, WTF?!?!?!
Just a theory based on these spoilers... I wish I was in the loop.
where can i find out all what happened and who jacob is, its driving me crazyyyyyyyyyy
please, please, please will someone give me a link so i can find out, in off on hoildays tomorrow and don wanna go with all this playing on my mind lol
Andrew said...
'm going to make a guess, based on what we know so far...
Jacob is the wooden stick, which Ben says only speaks to him. Locke will become angry and kill Ben, at which point the stick will begin speaking to Locke.
Just an educated guess, but nothing certain...The fact that Jensen/EW described the Two Words as important because Locke is able to hear them was a giveaway, methinks.
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I think you might be sort of right, I think 'Jacob' is an idea not a person
Is the name Horace Goodspee an anagram?
Maybe its Marvin Candle or its and imaginary friend
come on peeps all i want is the addy of a site i can find out who Jacob is. Im begging you, ive been waiting all day and do feel really gutted :(
KAT ---- There is no such site. The closest you will get before the episode is aired is this site that you are on.
I'm glad that they did not reveal it as I am tooooo weak to resist.
The 3 footed toad is living and this is Jacob - Locke is shocked and legs it..
So now you all know -woohoo
JA CK...
JA COB...
JA MES FORD...
JA MIROQUAI...
JA MAICA...
JA CKASS...
Thanks for the info, Insider. Am often been more intrigued by the execution of decent plots than all of the pieces -- rather like standing up in some bookstore and reading the beginning and end of a book. If my interest is peaked enough I'm going to read the middle part. And so we wait and we watch.
Meanwhile, there's no way I'm going to sit in front of this friggin' desktop for over 7 hours waiting for more spoilers and reading comments -- or least I hope not (especially after spending the night getting my laptop ready to send out for repair). I hate being an adult at times. Hope I can nap until Jericho ...
Namaste, y'all.
you can get the episode on rapid share if you share files but i cant do it.. i know of someone who already has the eppy so im gonna see if theyll tell me
I just don't understand how Richard does not know who Jacob is?
And it seems as if everyone on this island has Daddy Issues? Claire, Jack, Sawyer, Ben, Kate, Locke, Hugo...there is theme going on here!
Does the island attract disfunctional families?
So Ben meets a Richard as a boy. Is Richard older than Ben? Seems like he would be 20 years older. The slow growth (ie time) on the Island may be a factor then. I've always suspected it was either faster or slower than normal time. It seems to be slower.
Is it Horace GoodspeeD? That makes for more interesting anagrams.
Last week I didn't want the spoiler for the Brig. This week I don't care- I had to read it. Nothing that surprised me too much. I agree with above, the spoiler doesn't want to spoil it for us?
Spoiler here don't read if you don't want to know.
They said a while back that someone will be in flashback who shouldn't be there, sorta out of time. I'm assuming this is Richard. He doesn't seem that much older than Ben, but he meets little Ben in the woods. So has to be more to Richard than we're seeing.
Can't wait to see what or who Jacob is!!!
Thanks insiderscoop, man the anticipation is killing me! But I am glad that we don't know everything, I want to be surprised. Dang, spoilers, I know too much!
Where was Alex when they killed everyone on the village?
in the uk we don get to see the eppy until Sunday night @10.00 pm. when do you guys get to see it then or does insiderscoop get to see it before anyone else??????
i dont think Jacob is real as there was never no mention in the scripts or any sign of a casting for a "Jacob" so it either someone we know (maybe echo never really died) or it's that bloody wooden doll lol
Since we first saw Richard, I have thought he was an interesting dude. He has overtaken Ben and Desmond as the best character on the show.
And I love the part of Locke asserting himself, bringing back the ol'Locke from season one…Actually improving on it. He's calling the shots now. I love it. He kicks Patchy ass. LOL!!
..Wow! Ben killed his own father. Now I beginning to think the survivors were all brought to the island. Since all of them have father issues, the same as Ben.That is why it was important for Locke to kill his father..because Ben killed his father to join the hostile, Ben wanted Locke to as well.
Do anyone else think Jacob might turn out to be a "computer". I think Jacob will be a computer, or someone we have seen before.
Why do you people even bother posting stuff like, "Oh I cant read it, i was beginning to read, but I couldn't!" We get it, you didnt read it, w dont need to know that. man, talk about the episode spoilers, not about how if you can read it or not.
Jacob is Jack's father.
ALSO, I dont like how he holds back on the meeting with Jacob. Unlike some people, I can actually still enjoy the show after reading spoilers, and I dont act like my life is ruined because I read what will happen. But oh well, their choice to post anything at all, so Ill take this over nothing anyday. Thanks you.
...must... not... read
New Brunswick....I like your theory.
Jacob is a statue
Kat said...
in the uk we don get to see the eppy until Sunday night @10.00 pm. when do you guys get to see it then or does insiderscoop get to see it before anyone else??????
We see it Wednesday night at 10pm Eastern (I'm in Central Time, so it is 9pm). Insiderscoops sees the episode before we do. I don't know how, and don't want to be rude and ask.
Well for one thing we find out that Ben is a killer since he killed his own father.
can I ask a question? What time is it there? I mean, from where you're writing..Here in Italy, now, it's 21.44 pm
Insider probably works for an ABC affiliated station and hence sees the episode on Tuesday.
We have a radio DJ (Paul Castronovo) who did a segment on ABC and every Wednesday would give his rating for the LOST episode.
He had seen it the previous day,
20:47 here in England
It's currently 13.57 (3:57PM), East Coast USA. We see it here at 10:00PM.
(Gotta' love how international this show and site are!)
Horace Godspee:
Escape good hero
Peace good shore
Erase epoch good
Reap Echoes good
4:05PM ET in the USA
delilah-Alex wasn't born yet.
I think Ben took Locke to the mass grave so that Locke can kill Ben and put him with the last of the Dharma Initiative group.
here 22h22 in France, and nothing to d/l on mininova.org ?
well its half nine here in ireland so am i right in saying it will be 3am here when Lost is over??
tfe,
It's only 4:35 pm EST. It airs 10:00 pm EST.
I agree with another poster that Jacob is on the computer which is what Locke sees, though I see the point someone else made about it being the doll and the fact that Locke could hear those two words being important. I can't wait either! I sure hope it's worth the wait.
I'm not sure how to interpret why IS didn't spoil us with that huge revelation! Is he hiding it because it's really shocking, really lame or he still doesn't get who Jacob is? hmm...
FYI - ABC affiliates usually don't get to see them a day early
Must not look....hope I can make it
It's true -- network affiliates often receive preview feeds of programs, although it's usually of specials or movies. I'll bet that Insider works for an affiliate and saw the early feed. (I used to work for an ABC affiliate so I can verify it happens.)
>Graid: Dammned ! I can't wait anymore! :)
i think jacob will turn out to be the island itself....it makes sense.
ben is the only other who can communicate with it....thats why he wants locke because locke can also communicate with it.
the producers have said it is something we have seen before...
As I said above, if you share files on a site called rapid share, you can Lost a day early. A guys I know has the episode, he get them from there every tuesday night. I left him a comment on bebo to see if he'd tell me but he hasnt been online in the past ten hours which is making me a very unhappy camper!!!
Jacob is Ben's PENIS? WTF?
Maybe the monster is the smoke monster!!!
As i said a while back, i really don't think Jacob is a real person. **Thanks so much insiderscoop for taking the time to type this up each week and to dark for posting it!**
You need a direct link to the file on rapidshare though.
HOLY CRAP DUDE!
Jacob is WALT?
JUST KIDDING :-P
LINDELOF : "This is a character who is every bit as significant to our universe as the Emperor was to the Star Wars universe".
I guess we can therefore forget all about computers, the island itself and so on...
In Star Wars, the Emperor is human, is manipulating people, showing the a nice face to control them until he gets all powerful...
Found that :
http://www.tv.com/lost/show/24313/jacob-is.............../topic/11431-569259/msgs.html
I don't know if it's relevant
more horace godspee anagrams:
proceed: he agos
does grace hope?
CRAP. it's goodspee, not godspee. i will try again
Danielle is Jacob :)
Seriously, where was Danielle when the gassing happened? IS says Ben was all grown-up when he killed his dad which would make it possible that Danielle was already on the island and either pregnant or Alex an infant. Danielle claimed Alex was taken when the black smoke could be seen. Probably she was at another station and when she came back to the village, Alex was gone, most of the "villagers" dead and some so sick she had to kill them.
damn! the question is WHY IS RICHARD SO YOUNG?
Hello John.
What the PIIIII? you are him?
Like a Carrot nearby a donkey nose.
My good widmore i would think that you were on a paradise yacht somewhere in the hawai.
Im a little far away from that john.
You can´t be telling the true...
Yes iam john.
What do you mean by a little far away?
Indic ocean
LOST
Dr Richard Alpert is Jacob !!!
How does Marvin Candle fit into the episode? Hopefully he isn't dead.
I did see an interview with the actor who plays Marvin Candle and he said he is still on the island.
where's rousoe and her dinamite?
where's karl?
Why are you guys breaking my chops believe me you don't want me to ruin it for you. Don't you have any faith in me? I'm sure it's better when you see it.
INSIDERSCOOP
bannedscoop, I understand where you're coming from, but I would really like to know who Jacob is. I would really appreciate it if you told us who he is.
I must applaud Insiderscoop's restraint in witholding this key information from us. Like an addict, I read his synopses every Wednesday against my weak will, immediately regretting is once I'm complete. I think I needed this forced withdrawl to kick the habit of reading spoilers. Just remember, if I ask three times to be spoiled, you have to give the spoilers back! ;-)
Me, you don't actually find out who he is.
Thanks bannedscoop. So I guess that means Jacob is not the smoke monster. Interesting...
It's so good even Insiderscoop doesn't want to spoil it?!
This had better be amazing :P.
Yeah, I feel SOOOO guilty after reading it all the time. But, if I had the chance to see it early, I would, and I would totally give the info up. I saw the Sopranos first 3 episodes a few weeks before they aired, I TOLD EVERYONE I KNEW!!! Not the net, cause it was out there.
SO THANK YOU INSIDER SCOOP FOR NOT RUINING IT. I HAVE NO WILL POWER AND IF YOU WROTE IT, I WOULD'VE READ IT. And I am a closet spoiler reader, my g/f would kill me if she knew I read them! :->
Insiderscoop, I for one appreciate you not spilling all the beans today...I always look at your spoilers and regret it when I do... thanks for leaving a little mystery....
Personally I love spoilers.
I love spoilers too but believe me on this one some things are better left seen for ourselves. and whatever you do don't blink or you might miss something.
What if the life changing words to Locke are You're Jacob?
bannedscoop I just feel sorry for those who won't be able to watch the episode until Thursday or Friday and rely on you to find out what happens.
don't get me wrong though, I appreciate what you do for us.
I just found out what Jacob is and I have to admit I was surprised.
Well?
me:
No, you didn't. You spent all day crying about not knowing and now you're just being a jackass to get attention. Go home.
david you're an idiot. I didn't want to say anything because everyone would be complaining. But since you insist:
Spoilers
He's invisible.
Happy now moron?
What? So he's a ghoooost? That's so lame
Spoilers
Ben just shot Locke
argh, the ending was definitely *not* expected! can't wait to see the US preview (why the hell are there no canadian previews?!)!
Well you're either lying or watching from CTV. I'm surprised there aren't other people spoiling it off of the CTV feed. Boy is Ben an ass.
he ain't lying! i just finished watching this on CTV. It's a hell of an ending and totally anticlimactic :)
So to review:
Ben shows Locke nothingness and then shoots him?
there's about 20 minutes in between :) just have patience, it sort of makes sense when you watch it
Don't insult me buddy. I've been here for a long time and I have given you no reason to believe I'm a liar.
So please take that back.
And yes my canadian friends just told me what happened.
(throws hands up in the air) alright man
PS: the two words: "help me"
Who says that? And sorry Me, I was just joining the potential mob.
at least a couple of people, but, really, it's worth waiting and finding it out by yourself.
Jacob says that when Ben opens the door. At least that's what I've been told.
If it is true that there is no Jacob, the room's empty and there's no payoff to this, I may have to completely stop watching. I would prefer the stupid doll over nothing.
There is a Jacob. Locke thinks Ben is nuts, but Jacob then says "Help me"
Is it like the whispers?
John and Ben go see Jacob. Ben says jacob hates technology so they leave everything outside. Ben goes in and starts talking to an chair. Jacob seems angry at Ben. Locke says Ben is crazy and turns on his flashlight and "Jacob" goes crazy shaking and throwing things. and then says "Help Me".Ben then shows Locke the grave of Dharma bodies that were all killed. Ben says he is smarter then John, because he never ended up in the grave and then shoots Locke. Locke falls into the grave. Ben then asks what Jacob said to him and John replies "Help me". Ben gets a crazy look in his eye and says "I hope he helped you John" and walks away as locke's eyes fade and his hand drops.
So there is a Jacob, but we never see him/her/it face to face?
Guys, don't ask me, I haven't seen the episode. I'm just posting what the canadians are saying.
On another forum they;re saying you can see him for three frames.
Interesting.
I guess we'll have to wait for the screencaps
Its 2:23 here in UK and im being driven crazy . WHO IS JACOB ????
3 frames out of 25 frames/second is a very short time to actually see him! :) I haven't noticed anything, but it did seem like there was something or someone in there... Either that, or the producers are just f***ing with us like Ben is tricking John :)
In any case, it seems like Ben certainly does not want the rest of the Others' camp to know his little lies. Being threatened with exposure and with a powerful "leader" that John looks like is probably the main incentive for him shooting John.
PS: Btw, Ben said "I hope Jacob will help you" or "helps you" (not "helped")
Jacob = weird invisible ghost/poltergeist thing that says "help me" to Locke
Did Jacob hit Ben?
That's what I've been told.
Also, does Jacob wear clothes from the 19th century?
So does the weird thing that is in three short frames...Joop? Did Ben capture Jacob/Joop and pick his ancient simian brain for wisdom? Why am I getting the feeling that we are still not really getting any answers?
I'm confused. so what you're saying Locke dies?? Can't, we haven't had the showdown yet.
Just because Locke gets shot doesnt mean he's going to die. It's Locke!
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"me": at first, it looked like jacob hit/shot ben with something, but the camera was moving too fast to understand what was going on. it did look like ben could not have pulled that (a "show") off just by himself. if he was acting, he must've had some external help, cause there were windows breaking, things falling on the floor etc, and ben looked like was just an "innocent victim".
in any case, it was a very strange experience, but locke seemed to believe that it was all just a fake. and there is a remote possibility that he is right. either that or ben is schizo or jacob is indeed real (if someone can upload those 3 frames, that would certainly be conclusive evidence)
it was an episode full of niceties. ben is one hell of a liar (the story of "the purge" is a good example of that).
the "dad" twist was nice, but rather gratuitous, imho.
I love how Ben tells Locke in the preview that he's the only one of his people who was born on the island.
And then we find out that Richard was a native! lol
to nitpick: they don't *explicitly* say that richard is a native! he has just appeared in front of the young ben (n.b.: richard looks just as young "now" as he looked when ben was young, which is strange) in dirty clothes and unshaved. he was certainly part of the "natives", but i don't think that he mentioned being born on the island! ... + we see him in portland (or whatever) at one point in time
enjoy it, it starts now in america :)
Just saw the Jacob scene... scared the shit out of me!
Nice to know that even as a child, Ben carried a man purse.
I don't understand the Richard part when he meets young Ben, Ben was about 10-11 and Richard looked at least 25. Ben looks about 46 now so that would make Richard about 60 and he doesn't look it. Unless that was Richards dad or something.
Heres some pictures of Jacob:
http://img511.imageshack.us/img511/9554/jacobis0.jpg
I guess the two words Locke hears are "Help Me"
And the two words I have for this increasingly convuluted mess of a show are... Bye Bye!
This was either brilliant, or Lost's "jump the shark" moment.
OMFG LOCKe!
HOLY MOTHER OF...
WOW!
So...I guess the question now is, did Jacob say "Help me" or did Locke hear himself saying it in the future?
OMG this episode is gonna have a TON of easter eggs.
I don't like Ben anymore. :_(
Answers, those are answers?? Ok you technology smart people..what are the whispers and earlier someone says Jacob appears for a few frames. I didn't see it.
Richard is the one they said would show up that shouldn't be there. didn't Jack say the X-rays are of a man about 40. We don't know how old he is exactly. (His birthday is Dec 21 or 22). I got the impression when Richard see young Ben in the woods that he somehow thinks he's special because Ben says he sees his dead mother.
Think the island is going to save Locke?
Trent said...
This was either brilliant, or Lost's "jump the shark" moment.
The jump the shark is in the finale. Are you purposefully ignorant? Stupid? Moronic? Maybe you don't keep up as well as me, but it drives me crazy when something is posted as confirmed like 6 times and people STILL say otherwise.
Anyway... Locke is shot, but let's hope he isn't a death. Otherwise... I'll be pissed.
That profile of Jacob looks suspiciously like Locke
Wow. The Jacob scene spooked the hell out of me. Ben is out of his mind. And, OMGZ Locke!
Ditto!
O M F G!!!!!!!
Karted, the actor in the pic that you posted of Jacob looks alot like an actor in a pic I saw on one of the spoiler boards (I think it was Lostpedia, but I can't access the site to check). The members on that forum were trying to guess who it was--some thought the actor resembled Richard Alpert. The actor in the pic that you posted, though, looks like an older version of the one that I saw.
I agree with Jason. It looks kind of like Locke with either long hair or, more probably, a robe covering his head. Doesn't really answer too much, and there's the question of who the hell is Richard Alpert and how does he not age, also, how can he go off the island (in portland) if he's supposedly a native.
I could sit here all night waiting for comments but oldlady must go to bed. but one other question. When Locke and Ben are on their way to the old hut, Locke sees something on the ground. He stops and looks at it, smells it.. does anyone know what that was?
gun powder
When Locke and Ben are on their way to the old hut, Locke sees something on the ground. He stops and looks at it, smells it.. does anyone know what that was?
Polar Bear Poop?
I think what Locke saw in the ground was explosive....that was put there by russeau
Which would signal Rousseau is nearby...
Thank you InsiderScoop for not spoiling Jacob and Ben/Locke!!!!!!!!!!
THE EMPEROR HAS NO CLOTHES.
This was an AWFUL episode. There is officially NOTHING interesting about the Dharma Initiative. There is also NOTHING interesting about Ben (unless you find being nuts interesting). Richard Alpert does not age. JACOB IS NOTHING. A ghost? That is (perhaps) worse than attributing Jacob's existence to Ben's imagination.
LOCKE SHOT? Either he dies, in which case the show will truly become awful or he lives, in which case the show will have introduced yet another never-to-be-resolved mystery.
Insiderscoop, you didn't withhold spoilers because they were too good. You withheld them because they were BAD. You knew that no one would watch enthusiastically if they knew that Jacob is either a ghost or in Ben's head and that Ben loses all popular appeal by stooping low enough to shoot Locke. Shame on you.
I thought Jacob looked a lot like Horace Goodspeed. Take a look at him sitting on the bench dead after the purge and then look at Jacob. I see the similarity.
Locke :(
Jacob looks suprisingly like Locke with a wig on though
yeah that was definitley explosive
When I first looked at the picture, I thought it looked like Locke with hair.
The second time I looked at the picture, I decided it was Dennis Hopper.
Wonder who it will look like the next time I decide to check it out.