As some of you know we had a story posted over in the Rumours section. It was originally posted on a Brazilian blog and we had some people translate the information, some of which was up for debate about the correct wording. I confirmed the bulk of the spoilers with another source who told me that yes, what was posted was true.
I then made contact with Carlos Alexandre Monteiro, a journalist, who was kind enough to write to me with his actual info translated into excellent English. So this is direct from the person who was able to read the script/production pages.
Thanks Carlos!
So, but I only got time to write you about the spoilers I got in Hawaii. So, let me tell you the key points of my post...
First things first: The 1st page of what I read was the production sheet, call sheet or something named like that - I can't remember precisely the right term.
In this page, you can find the episode's number and name - in this case, #403- The Economist, but of course it can be a provisory title -, the actors (and their respective characters), the locations where the shootings would occur, the scenes that correspond to the script, instructions to prop & wardrobe staff and even the weather conditions for the shooting day!
That's where I also got Ken Leugn's character name (Miles) and the informations confirming that Jeremy Davies will play Faraday, and Rebecca Mader, Charlotte. That's where I also got the name Elsa, Sayid's girlfriend in his flashforward...
The next pages were scripts for episode's scenes. And that's the most important information I could find there:
* "The Economist" will have Sayid as a main character, and will show his after-island life. We'll be in Germany, and his girlfriend is called Elsa. In the excerpt I wrote, she seemed very intrigued about Sayid's kinda secret job. He refuses to talk about it, even to her...
* In the island, there will be a scene in which some losties will go to "Othersville" and will notice some noises. Kate (not Juliet!) will realize that the noise is coming from a house - pointed in the script as Juliet's house -, and she'll go & check it.
Then - ta-da! - she notices that the sound is coming from the closet; and finally finds Hurley stuck inside.
* Locke and Sayid are disagreeing about the best way to discover more about the "new visitors": while Sayid wants to go to the ship with Charlotte - and
appears that she'll get a boat to get back to their HQ -, Locke prefers to trust in Ben, who said that he's got a spy on the boat.
* By what I read, Kate and Sawyer WON'T have a heavy discussion. By the script, that's the situation: Freckles will want to go to somewhere - not mentioned on the excerpt I read - but Sawyer, even not wanting her to go, won't stop her; but will also show her his disappointment...
Source: Carlos Alexandre Monteiro
Episode S4E03 - The Economist (Sayid Centric)
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so lets talk about the obvious.
sayid doesn´t even want to talk abuth his job to his new girlfriend. we know that sayid is truthful to the women he loves, so maybe we can assume that good ol´jack contacted sayid after his encounter with kate and persuaded him to get back to the island. is that too far off?
maybe thats why sayid doesn´t want to talk about it, because he knows they are being watched from what ever organisation that is behind all that, probably the new freighter people. he is sick of lying but knows that he can´t tell anyone.
aaahhh now that sounds more better....than the first time around and makes much more sense... :)
great scoop and find dark....thanks for all the info as always....!!
sayid survives for now...woot!!
btw prak...i could see that scenario where sayid is part of the team trying to go back to the island... :)
Yeah, me too prak. Ur right ODI, it does sound better the second time around.
Thanks Dark
Definitely makes more sense. It will be interesting to see how the "new visitors" explain why they aren't rescuing the losties and how they react to that. They should know pretty immediately, that they aren't being rescued, at least the way they pictured...
And the freighters must have some excuse for it. Can't wait...
Juicy Juicy Info here... I thought they might of had the Call sheets self destruct after reading, since we hadnt seen any. Hurley in a closet in othersville?? Come on February.
OMG!! At last some true spoilers! Thanks :)
Thanks for finally giving us an accurate translation! Quite a bit of difference - including that it is Kate, not Juliet, that finds Hurley in the closet. Did Carlos's memory recall facts differently a few days later? Interesting. It doesn't add up to all that much in the end, except for the glorious security of knowing that the great Sayid does not DIE! Yay for that!
I wouldn't cheer for Sayid's salvation just yet... we don't really know for 100% sure that the Germany scenes are actually flash forwards. I doubt the script actually specifies if scenes are FB's or FF's, and even if it hinted one way, the truth might be the opposite. When they filmed the FB's for TtLG, do you think everyone *knew* it was a FF ? I doubt it... and I bet in season 4, people will be left wondering all the time (we've actually heard as much; probably Kate's trial is the only thing sure to be a FF).
For all we know, this is Sayid's FB right before he gets killed, in a scene that was filmed as an alternate take not included in the main script (secretive shows like LOST do that).
Thanks dark!Great to know that Sayid is safe ... for now anyway lol ! i was going to try and remain spoilerfree but i cannot resist.
I wonder who this elsa is?
looks like they are setting up a sawyer/kate arguement before she finds out she is pregnant lol
hopefully we might get a few more production notes show up.
I'm with gregdean. Still not 100 percent convinced that the Spoiler provider accurately assessed whether it is a forward of back flash.
If it IS indeed a flash forward, I can envision Sayid being much more in the know about the island than he's let on. Not saying Sayid's a traitor, but his Inman/CIA connection may be much bigger than we've ever guessed.
Otherwise, why wouldn't suicidal future Jack try to enlist Sayid, his island right-hand man, instead of Kate, to help get back to the island?
Maybe Jack is too ashamed to look for Sayid, knowing that he looks like something that got scraped off the junky pile. He may still think he can manipulate Kate, since he never had much respect for her judgment anyway, but he knows Sayid will be looking at him with a cooler, clearer eye. If this is really an FF, I think eventually Jack and Sayid will intersect, and if they're brave enough to keep Jack on the downward spiral they've got him on, it could be doubly interesting to watch Sayid deal with the change in power structure.
That said, it is a little dicey to think they'll have back to back FFs in episodes 3 and 4. Maybe this is why ODI's source said they're cutting Jack out of Kate's episode, to keep the FF question open?
Plus remember this sounds like only a small segment of the episode. Maybe there IS Jack/Sayid contact later on. This snippet is tantalizing but leaves more questions open than answered.
I'm delighted that this seems to indicate Sayid survived the island! That said, his secretive new job could be related to the "lies" Jack mentioned. Perhaps they've all been co-opted to work for/collaborate with Widmore in some way?
Am I the only person who is not in the least convinced they will make any effort to physically return to the island, much less that they actually will return to it? So far, the only source for that spec is a totally wacked out Jack... and he's been shown to be irrationally obsessive about stuff in the past. I really don't believe they're going to go that route. The island appears to be the middle of the story as far as the overall mosaic is concerned, with the FB being the beginning -who they were before their island experiences - and the FF being the end - who they are AFTER their island experiences and their as-yet-unknown manner of rescue. It's going to take more than Jack's ravings to make me think ANY of them will physically return to the island.
You mean my theory that only Jack and Kate got rescued is already shot out of the water and it's not even November yet?
*sulks*
I hope this is true because I do want Sayid to survive.
Is it possible though that this "FOUND" info is "UNTRUE" ?
Is it "PLANTED" info?
It seems werid that this particular bit of info was found especially after all the talk of Sayid being one of the deaths in season four.
I fear maybe this is being put out there so we are fully on board with the belief that Sayid survives the island.
Then BAM we get kicked in the gut when he dies this season.
I hope I am wrong but it could be a possibility right?
Hi Lost_nn_Found.
Is it possible though that this "FOUND" info is "UNTRUE" ?
Anything is possible and no spoilers are ever guaranteed to be 100% true but I try very hard to only put spoilers that I feel are accurate on the site :) I'd say this is very likely. Production notes were found for the Season 2 Finale and for the Juliet episode when she arrived on the Sub. Everyone thought they were foilers but they turned out 100% true. I believe the same will happen with this :)
Is it "PLANTED" info?
Again possible but highly unlikely. We've yet to see anything remotely this detailed "planted". The most TPTB have been known to have done is to put up fake names in the casting calls/breakdowns to hide the real identity of the character.
When I first read them something about them just felt right. I get dozens of emails a week which are so ludicrous it's sad from people passing so called inside info off as real. They seem to forget that I have some sources close to the show who simple reply to my request to check with Yes/No/Not Sure/. The Not Sure ones go on the Rumours page until I can confirm them.
does anyone else think that ben's spy is michael?
Bob, that was my initial thought, but then I got to thinking (dangerous I know!) that he would make a rubbish spy as he is going to be the most untrusted of any of the Losties :)
Remember he's already killed 2 people and left the Losties to fend for themselves. He will be the last person they untrust any information to :)
^ bob = evan
sorry i forgot to put my real name, ha.
i have been struggling over how they are going to integrate michael and walt back in the story!
thanks for replying!
The Losties won't trust Michael, but the Freighties might, for just that reason. Ben says he has a spy; he never says it's someone that the Losties would trust. Of course I think Michael would make a terrible spy anyway--he wasn't too convincing when he returned to the beach.
And methosrock, you're not the only one. I'm dreading a Return to the Island! story.
darkufo said: Remember he's (Michael) already killed 2 people and left the Losties to fend for themselves. He will be the last person they untrust any information to.
That's precisely why it might be him. When it comes to Lost, there's never conforting news.
This spoiler keeps coming back to me as the possibility that Sayid may not be what he seems.
talking about translations, where I said conforting, I meant comforting ;)
I bet this is where Sayid gets whacked (he's wanted off the show for quite some time, and he was a drama queen according to rumors last season). Remember when we were told all the flash forwards would be super secret? I bet TPTB are floating out that its a FF, but then he dies at the end of the episode, on island, and we realize it was a flashback. Possible double entendre with the flashback containing info that we think Sayid would find out post-island, but since its a flashback we find out that he knew all along about something. My money is on Kelvin for that.
I am with you K !!
Guess we will have to wait and see.
Instead of Michael being the spy I am going to go with Walt !!
I know he is a young boy and all but I am guessing that something BIG went down in room 23 to Walt and the hands of Ben & the gang.
Walt could have been conditioned to do as Ben wants and report back what he learns.
Maybe Ben and Walt have a connection in there abilities and are able to communicate via their minds or appearing visions!!