Update: 11th November It appears that some of the quotes may very well be from an older interview that Matthew Fox gave and the article is recycling them.
Thanks to Marcia for the following.
I came across this Fox's interview in a Belgium site (the article was about Season 3 DVDs release). Among questions about his character and his life in Hawaii, was this little spoilerish bit;Parlons un peu de Kate : va-t-elle choisir entre Jack et Sawyer ?
"Le triangle amoureux sera un jour résolu. Mais pas parce qu'elle fera un choix ! Cela sera en raison de circonstances qu'elle ne contrôle pas et cela sera intéressant car ces circonstances seront sans doute vraiment intenses."
Let's talk about Kate: will she choose between Jack and Sawyer?
"The love triangle will be solved one day. But not because she makes a choice! It will be due to circumstances beyond her control and it will be interesting because these circumstances will be with no doubt really intense."
Source: dhnet
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It sounds like Sawyer's death to me. :(
Either that or Jack and Kate really are related somehow. Maybe they were both the product of Dharma reproduction experiments.
But unfortunataley I think that Sawyer's death is a much more likely scenerio. I just wish I knew if it is planned to take place during season 4 as it has been rumored. If I knew that were the case I could stop pining for the show's return. Although I would still be interested in finishing the series, I certainly wouldn't hurry the oportunity to watch the death of my favorite character. The possiblity of having to wait until 2008-2009 for the show's return wouldn't seem so grim. It would give me more time to adjust my expectations and accept the unacceptable.
Well, unless it happens after that flashforward we see, then it must be Sawyer.....obviously....not that I really give a crap who she bangs....
Is there any chance that is an old interview? It sounds like it could apply to the season 3 mini arch.
Southernbeauty....good thinking! Definitely could be from Season 3.
i really dont see it that way.. i dont think its either because of jack or sawyer ...
i think something will happen either with her court case or something else beyond all of their controls...
she said to jack at the end of last year that her hubby didnt know
seems to me it has something to do with something weird comming on...
and i certainly hope its not sawyers death !!!!!!!! couldnt take that !
hes sooooo good ... cant see him dying .. cant see sawyer, jack, kate, locke, hurley, desmond and hopefully not sayid eithe dying but sayid not too sure about...
anyways thats my wish .. hope my wish comes true lol
wish l
Is there any chance that is an old interview? It sounds like it could apply to the season 3 mini arch.
Interview was from 31st October 2007 as was for the Season 3 DVD Launch.
I took the quote as something bad happens and she's with whoever "he" is at the end of Season 3. I didn't read it as someone dying. And if the triangle between Kate, Jack and Sawyer is going to be resolved, it's obvious she's not with Jack at the end of that episode so it must be Sawyer. Unless, of course this is something that happens after that scene with Jack at the airport.
I hope she ends up with Jack... 'nuff said.
Thanks for clearing that up, Dark. But I still can't help but wonder if MF wasn't talking about the events of the season 3 mini arch since this interview took place during a season 3 dvd lauch event--especially since we have heard rumors that the romance/soap opera elements of the show will be taking a back seat to the action from here on out. But then again, I've been wrong before.
If this is a reference to things still to come, then it ultimately still sounds like Sawyer's death to me--which isn't a happy prospect. :(
Phildo--when you mention the season 3 finale, are you referring to the "He" Kate mentions in the FF? I'd love for that "He" to be Sawyer, as long as he isn't some sort of invalid that she is having to take care of.
I can't imagine Lost without Sawyer and Kate with another man but him...I think the writers are clever enough to end this triangle in a good way and not annoying the 99% of the viewers.
Southernbeauty...yep, that's what I was referring to. I'm just saying that in that scene, it seems like she has made her choice and by her attitude, she didn't seem that happy about life at all. And in the quote, it said that she'd be forced into making a decision on Jack or Sawyer...it's obvious she's not with Jack so it must be Sawyer, right? I could be interpreting that whole scene incorrectly, though.
At least we have something to talk about, though...:)
Of course she chooses Sawyer. When she meets up with Jack in the FF she doesn't really seem to be in love with him. I don't think that Sawyer's going to die. There's just 4-5 characters whose death would be suicidal to the show, and one of these is good ole James Ford.
Is there any chance that is an old interview? It sounds like it could apply to the season 3 mini arch.
Interview was from 31st October 2007 as was for the Season 3 DVD Launch.
Yeah, but the question and answer can still refer to the season 3 mini arc.
Kate has always been shown to be the type of girl who can't commit and who won't stay with someone simply out of obligation. But in the FF everything about Kate and Jack seemed to be the exact opposite (the mirror image, so to speak) of the characters that we have come to know and love. So who knows, maybe Kate doesn't feel that her choice is her own and she is (possibly) unhappy about it in the FF. I always took that scene to mean that she was just uncomfortable seeing Jack in his crumbling state of disrepair, but maybe there really is a lot more to it. I can't imagine what the circumstances could be that might have determined her choice for her. But whether Kate is happy or not to be with her "He" in the future, I still believe that both Jack and Sawyer only want to the best for her and that neither man would try to force her into a life that would make her unhappy. But as I mentioned earlier, everything did seem to be the opposite in the FF, so who knows!. It would be a very scary prospect to imagine that Sawyer could go from always putting Kate ahead of himself on the island (season 3 anyway), to being controlling and selfish with her in the future off the island. I do think that tptb would enjoy playing with us like that though. First they make us start out disliking Sawyer in the beginning; only to make us feel sorry for him in CM; then grow to loving him by the middle of the series; only to make us hate him again by the end. I guess it could happen.
^^I was just expanding on the points the Phildo mentioned.
Even if this is a new interview, it's referring to Season three events. Plus Matthew Fox doesn't know the secrets to this show. He wouldn't know who Kate ends up with at the end of the show.
I never understand why people think the "he" in the FF is someone who is controlling Kate. Is there anything unusual if she has a man at home, Sawyer or someone else, that he'd be wondering where she is in the middle of the night? She's meeting with a crazy junky in a parking lot. Why wouldn't her man be concerned? It doesn't imply any controlling behavior to me, just normal caring.
That was my impression too, Veronqiue. But apparently many fans interuppted that scene differently.
It's fun to ponder all the options, but ultimately I still trust my first impression.
Veronique - We were commenting on the quote that Kate would be forced to choose between Jack and Sawyer. If that's the case and the interview was not referring to Season 3's "cage match" then it's possible that the flashforward is the aftermath of that choice. We are speculating that maybe "he" is someone that she was "forced" into being with. The fact that "he" would be wondering where she is doesn't matter if, in fact, she's with "him" against her true wishes. Anyways....I'm done talking about the Kate-Jack-Sawyer shit.
Just to say that I have read this months ago, exactly the same (maybe in February).
So, two options,or it's an old interview or he always answers the same.(Anyway, who cares about this triangle).
Veronique, what are you talking about. This interview was done less than 2 weeks ago. They have filmed 7 episodes so he knows a lot of the secrets, certainly more than you do.
@sawyerrules I think the writers are clever enough to end this triangle in a good way and not annoying the 99% of the viewers
I guess the problem about solving this triangle is because is more to 50/50 than 90/10.
I don't think Darlton would simply kill Sawyer in season 4 and end this triangle. I think it will be much more complicated than that. If this was the case, then why Kate and Jack are not together in the FF? One reason would be if Sawyer's death was caused by Jack. But I don't think they would dare doing that to Jack after him being so ambiguous in season 3. Unless they want us to hate him. I hope not.
Jack could probably die at the end, but Sawyer has to hang on alive till there. Very hard.
Call me an horrible unromantic person, but I would prefer to see Kate go. Besides, if one of the guys die, the other one would appear as a second choice.
And what about the Adam & Eve bodies (did I spell it right, Hugo?)? Rose and Bernard, black & white.
I also don't see why people think she isn't happy about her life. She's not happy to be seeing that Jack is so messed up. But why do people conjecture beyond that to think she's unhappy in general. I'm so tired of people defining Kate strictly by her relationship to Jack. Maybe she's actually an autonomous individual in the future, with a man or child she loves, and maybe - just maybe - she's only sad when she's with Jack (which she usually was on the island also), especially seeing how low he has fallen. That seems a lot more logical to me and what's more, it actually gives Kate some credit as a human being who can stand on her own two feet.
Veronique, what are you talking about. This interview was done less than 2 weeks ago. They have filmed 7 episodes so he knows a lot of the secrets, certainly more than you do.
This interview was published two weeks ago, but it's exactly, almost word for word, the kind of thing Matthew Fox was saying about Kate's choice in Season three. I seriously doubt they have decided Kate's permanent choice by episode 7 of season 4 so - no, I don't think Matthew Fox knows who Kate is going to end up with when all is said and done.
i remember a very similar quote from foxy when the mini arc was on air!
i guess its old and it also fits with the mini-arc/kate's choice/circumstances stuff!
but if its a new quote then he might be referring to the FF... in the FF they were seperated and it was like there's something big is going on...
I read the whole interview and it does seem to be current. However, I do remember MF using the term "circumstances" to explain the Skate love fest in the cages too. Since he doesn't say anything positive about Jack/Kate in this quote - as he was always accustomed to do in the past - I'm inclined to think he might be using the term "circumstances" again to rationalize (in his mind) the fact that Kate does NOT choose Jack after all. So I'm optimistic for Skate from this. Thanks, Matt! :)
That is MF's standard answer to Kate's choice in the mini-arc, that it isn't really about making a choice, but about the intense situation she found herself in, which I guess if you think about it, it's hard to call it a choice when one piece of the triangle was completely removed from the picture so in that respect he's right. I'm guessing things got lost in the translation, but I've heard that comment from him numerous times since Season 3 began airing. I doubt MF know whos Kate will end up with in the end anymore than the rest of us do.
As for the finale, MF and EL both were told what the dynamics of Kate and Jack's relationship were by the time they meet at the airport in the FF so they'd know how to play the scene. According to both the answers are there in typical ambiguos Lost fashion and it's up to the viewers to interpret the scene.
When he grabbed her I got the impression that there are very strong feelings between them, but as has been typical with their relationship, circumstances beyond their control are keeping them apart.
I don't think the "He" Kate is referring to is Sawyer because he wouldn't care if she were meeting Jack, he'd probably offer to drive her. The "he" is most likely part of whatever lie they've been forced to tell and part of why he shouldn't be calling her and why they meet in a predetermined out of the way place like the end of an airport runway.
I don't think any of this means Sawyer is dead though. Why would it?
Oh, and I'd rather see Kate die than either guy too. Jack and Sawyer are way more interesting to watch on screen together or apart than Jack/Kate or Sawyer/Kate, but that's just my opinion.
When he grabbed her I got the impression that there are very strong feelings between them, but as has been typical with their relationship, circumstances beyond their control are keeping them apart.
What circumstances have ever kept them apart? They had many,many chances to be together and never went for it. In the FF, I think there are a few things keeping them apart - one, Kate has a man and two, Jack is a total drug addict. When he grabbed her, I was thinking she must be nauseous from how bad he smelled,kind of like how Wayne used to smell.
I also never understood why MF kept using that 'circumstance' line. The I Do commentary made it clear that Kate and Sawyer came together out of love. Just because Jack wasn't there didn't mean she had to jump Sawyer's bones. It's so illogical.
I do agree this has to be about Season three. However, if it is by some chance about the current season, then obviously Kate chooses Sawyer. That's all MF could possibly know, since we've all seen she's not with Jack in the future. And he only uses that 'circumstance' line to explain away the whole Sawyer Kate storyline, never his own.
I love how everyone jumps to death and some complicated answer. Remember Occam's razor? ... "All things being equal, the simplest solution tends to be the right one." ...
Hasn't it been hinted excessively that Kate might be pregnant? What if Kate is pregnant with Sawyer's baby? That would be a really intense "forced" decision ... especially with all of the complications that implies on the island.
That's just an option ... the above theories are intriguing as well. And I'm sure Occam's Razor rarely applies with LOST ... :-)
come on people it's an old quote
Or Sawyer's dying, or Jack's dying, but the baby would lame IMO
A death would be the simplest answer and would easily satisfy the Occam's Razor theory--afterall this is Lost we are talking about. Character deaths are a regular occurance.
And since when did creating a baby with someone force the parents to stay together forever? In an ideal world maybe, but even Lost is more realistic than that.
I know how is it going to be the end of the triangle:
-Sawyer:"Frankly my dear, I don't give a damn"
COOL!!!
What if Sawyer end up going to prison again for murder?
What circumstances have ever kept them apart? They had many,many chances to be together and never went for it.
The circumstances of trying to survive and the role that both of them have played in keeping the others safe. Then there are also all of their interrupted moments. So many of them it has become a running joke. When have Kate and Jack ever been alone long enough to “go for it”? I seem to recall an ABC promotion last season eluding to the fact that “circumstances have kept them apart”. I guess they must be imagining things too.
In the FF, I think there are a few things keeping them apart - one, Kate has a man and two, Jack is a total drug addict. When he grabbed her, I was thinking she must be nauseous from how bad he smelled,kind of like how Wayne used to smell.
Why doesn’t it surprise me that this is all you took from that scene?
I also never understood why MF kept using that 'circumstance' line. The I Do commentary made it clear that Kate and Sawyer came together out of love. Just because Jack wasn't there didn't mean she had to jump Sawyer's bones. It's so illogical.
I'm fairly certain that MF isn't suggesting that was Kate's motivation. There is nothing illogical about two people who believe all hope is lost seeking comfort in each other’s arms. What did you expect them to say in the commentary. The commentary is about “one” episode, not an entire season. Do Kate’s actions following the cage sex mirror that of a woman who is head over heels in love or that of a woman who is confused about the feelings she has for two completely different men at the same time? I know that Skaters and Jaters hate to admit it, but she loves both men.
The point, and the point MF probably would've made if he were allowed to elaborate on the "circumstances" without spoiling the show, is that if it had been Jack and Kate in the cage she would’ve initiated sex with Jack just as she did with Sawyer not because Kate made a “choice”, but because the extreme circumstances she found herself in forced her to come to grips with her feelings and act on them in that moment.
I do agree this has to be about Season three. However, if it is by some chance about the current season, then obviously Kate chooses Sawyer. That's all MF could possibly know, since we've all seen she's not with Jack in the future. And he only uses that 'circumstance' line to explain away the whole Sawyer Kate storyline, never his own.
MF uses that “circumstance” line to answer the question “will Kate make a choice in Season 3” and it’s a really good answer to the ambiguous way the writers chose to NOT end the triangle. Don’t be put out with MF over it, be put out with the writers who love to keep throwing the shippers a bone to keep them interested.
Katieb - That's not "all" I took from the scene, but it's remarkable how so many people seem to think Jack's total addictive alcoholic thing is not a factor it why Kate is avoiding him. That's not a circumstance. That's Jack destroying himself. He's responsible for his own behavior, isn't he? It's not a circumstance. It's possible Kate and Jack had something going at one point, but the end result was Jack in that condition, so it was pretty obviously a bad situation.
As for ABC and their promos, I think you should realize they have no creative input whatsoever and don't even seem to watch the show. Do you also remember when they hyped Jack's tattoo episode by telling us we would get THREE BIG ANSWERS?
It's also pure speculation that Kate would have had sex with Jack if he were in the other cage. There's no basis for that at all. There were prolonged periods of time in this story, when Jack and Kate could have gotten together. No circumstances separated them other than the writers choices. "Circumstance" just seems to be a word MF decided was a good line and he's used it as a party line whenever the question comes up. All the actors do that, choose some standard line to answer repetitive questions, and "circumstance" seems to be what he decided to think about the scene that cemented Kate and Sawyer as the passionate, sensual lovers in the story.
Veronique dijo...
When he grabbed her I got the impression that there are very strong feelings between them, but as has been typical with their relationship, circumstances beyond their control are keeping them apart.
What circumstances have ever kept them apart? They had many,many chances to be together and never went for it. In the FF, I think there are a few things keeping them apart - one, Kate has a man and two, Jack is a total drug addict. When he grabbed her, I was thinking she must be nauseous from how bad he smelled,kind of like how Wayne used to smell.
I also never understood why MF kept using that 'circumstance' line. The I Do commentary made it clear that Kate and Sawyer came together out of love. Just because Jack wasn't there didn't mean she had to jump Sawyer's bones. It's so illogical.
I do agree this has to be about Season three. However, if it is by some chance about the current season, then obviously Kate chooses Sawyer. That's all MF could possibly know, since we've all seen she's not with Jack in the future. And he only uses that 'circumstance' line to explain away the whole Sawyer Kate storyline, never his own"
I subscribe to all this comment and I want to add that from the viewers that understand from the beginning that Kate was falling in love with Sawyer never believe the Jack-Kate story, this was just for entertaining but I think that TPTB have the story in mind and never Jack was a real choice... maybe Kate respects him and loves him in a brotherhood way but not in a romantic way. And now if she is pregnant it could be not fair to be with Jack at all.
Despite the fact that the site said this interview was made in the occasion of the season 3 DVD's release, it may be that they used an old one. Not nice, I agree. Unfortunatelly the journalist's email was nowhere to be found, so we can't be sure.
I know it doesn't change the fact that it will have to be solved one day, but at least it would help to see the context MF said that.
We still have 48 episodes to see their stories develop, so it's silly to think we know who she's gonna choose.
That's not "all" I took from the scene, but it's remarkable how so many people seem to think Jack's total addictive alcoholic thing is not a factor it why Kate is avoiding him. That's not a circumstance. That's Jack destroying himself. He's responsible for his own behavior, isn't he? It's not a circumstance. It's possible Kate and Jack had something going at one point, but the end result was Jack in that condition, so it was pretty obviously a bad situation.
I don't think Jack's condition is the circumstance, but I do think the circumstances are what are literally driving Jack crazy. I don't think Jack's "condition" has anything to do with why he had to basically beg her to see him. I do find it remarkable that anyone could've watched that scene and believe that the answer is really as simple as Kate suddenly being too good to associate with a junkie.
I'll ignore the great Skate/Jate debate nonsense because that is what it is to me. You see and believe what you want, I was just offering a point of view from someone who doesn't care who Kate ends up with, well, that's probably a lie because I would prefer she not end up with Jack.
LOL on the ignorance that is ABC's promotional department. I guess they should probably consult the great Kristin and get it right huh....oh wait..........
MF uses that “circumstance” line to answer the question “will Kate make a choice in Season 3” and it’s a really good answer to the ambiguous way the writers chose to NOT end the triangle. Don’t be put out with MF over it, be put out with the writers who love to keep throwing the shippers a bone to keep them interested.
MF did use the term "circumstances" with regard to Kate's choice in the mini-arc. However, to be strictly accurate, the question - as asked in the Belgian interview - is "Will she choose between Jack and Sawyer?" and the response attributed to MF is, "The love triangle will be one day be resolved." There's no mention of S3 there.
You posted that this article was a translation of another. Do you have a link to the original?
I think I've already read this quote a few months ago. It's either old or Matthew Fox talks like a broken record because he's always saying the same things in his interview.
OK, I couldn't read all the posts as I'm at work so I hope I'm not repeating anyone, but why are we assuming it's a resolution by choosing one or the other? (Or by elimintating Sawyer from the equation, which was my first thought, too.)
What I mean is, maybe the situation beyond her control is someone new to the island takes charge of every situation - including a romance with Kate. Maybe that's the "him" she winds up with. Maybe she makes a deal to be with one of the newcomers if he agrees to spare her life and Jack's. Who the hell knows. But the point is, I don't even think Fox would know that yet, either, unless TPTB informed him of their long-term plans to prep for the flash-forward season finale.
I'm not sure exactly what this is going on about, if its Season 3 or 4. But it seems to be still a main question between Shippers.
Oh. you are ruining the show for yourselves shippers. The cage thing was a plan by Ben to upset Jack and have him do the SURGERY.
So I don't know why Skaters say that she CHOSE Sawyer. When people are in love the first thing they don't do is have sex. Kate has not showed that she is in love with anyone in anyway. Kate is troubled. She cares for them both, but she is not in love with either. And that is that.The triangle is going to keep going, unfortunately into Season 4 and beyond.
Ken, listen to the I Do commentary. Carlton Cuse himself describes Kate and Sawyer as "two people in love". And it's totally illogical IMO to say Ben had a plan to have two people voluntarily make love. If that was what he really wanted, he would have shut them up in a nice hotel room with some inducements. Their behavior was NOT predictable, in fact it was the opposite of what you'd expect people to do in that situation, so I have never understood MF's insistence on it being due to circumstance. Those circumstances do not inevitably create that outcome.
I am a Jater but all this talk abt shipping gets ridiculous and the show is the bigger pic. Anyways here is the rest of the translated interview courtesy google. I like MF take on Jack as he is not some one-dimensional caricature as painted by some on this site.
http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=fr&u=http://www.dhnet.be/culture/television/article/188967/lost-le-heros-parfait-n-est-pas-interessant.html&sa=X&oi=translate&resnum=1&ct=result&prev=/search%3Fq%3Dhttp://www.dhnet.be/culture/television/article/188967/lost-le-heros-parfait-n-est-pas-interessant.html%26hl%3Den%26client%3Dfirefox-a%26rls%3Dorg.mozilla:en-US:official%26hs%3Dx3r
ken said:When people are in love the first thing they don't do is have sex.
LOL
WHAT???
So, you haven't sex with people that you are in love with but you have it with the rest???
GOOD TO KNOW!
Black idiot... Most people also don't know what IN love means.
Uhhh.. no veronique... The MAIN purpose that Ben allowed Kate and Sawyer to be in the same cage (he was watching , he would of or could of stopped them (like he did before) but he didn't. Then Ben conveniently leaves that room he is watching Skate in and then conveniently has someone open Jack's cell... or that was by chance, but I doubt it. It resulted in Jack finding THE ROOM (Ben's room) and seeing Kate and Sawyer going at it...
This has been discussed before...
Now Darlton described the scenario as two people in love? Ummm, he don't know what Love is either , or he does and he just getting the shippers all riled up...you choose.
На-нa!
It seems that this little snippet, which is not even a spoiler, cause it's what MF said about what happened in mini season, awakes some serious debate. 45 comments for now! Way more than any of previous spoilers. So, it's safe to say: this damn triangle makes the show, and it's not going anywhere.
Ken, Carlton writes the show. He wrote the episode. He wasn't trying to rile anybody up. It was just commentary on the DVD, along with the two actors, who also spoke of the love between the characters. Are you saying you know more what the episode was about than the person who WROTE it and the two actors who played the parts?
Please stop beating me - Horse
TO KEN:
First: I was talking about your comment not about Kate and Sawyer, or kate and Jack...
Second: So, only you know what love is? Interesting...
Third: Black idiot! Interesting...
P.D.:Sorry if you had a bad day but it's not my fault.
If it is not misunderstood and M. Fox is talking about the upcoming and not about allready aired episodes - could it be he is speaking not about the near future?
As I remember, E. Lilly said that when they were filming FF, both were given details what will happen till then.
So, then "theese circumstances" may not come in first eight episodes.
A thought =]
The interview is mainly about MF's private live in Hawaii and the character of Jack. I don't know, it doesn't really deal with a lot of season 3 stuff. Questions like "how would you describe Jack" or "do you think he could betray his people" are very general IMO. He once again said the exact same thing about the triangle like he always does. That quote is at least a few months old.
If it's about season 4, it could mean that Kate is pregnant. I just want the triangle to end so that Kate finally gets an interesting story line. The problem with Kate's character is that if you take away the triangle story line, she doesn't have anything to do on the show anymore. That's very disappointing considering that she's the female lead and I fear that this won't change as long as they keep the triangle alive.
No Black, I didn't have a bad day. I just despise commentors like yourself that take what is said and turn it right around in a fashion that makes the initial poster look like a dumbass. And you did it the second time (Second: So, only you know what love is? Interesting...)
If you don't know you are doing this, I hope you do now. Because its very rude.
Veronique, don't believe everything you hear, this is a TV show and a very popular one at that , do you think everything they say about it is 100% true? I don't. I believe in what makes the most logical sense to me from watching the episodes.
Interesting spoiler.
I tend to believe that it's a recycled quote, though.
Also ... folks ... it's translated into English!! LOL. From the get-go there are communication issues with this quote.
The other reason I think it's probably recycled is that the cast will do Season 3 DVD promos together, most likely. There have not been ANY interviews anywhere else. These things usually hit all at once.
I've enjoyed Veroniques comments here. Nice, sober perspective.
I don't know who "he" is. I got the impression in the FF that Kate had settled and was living a quiet life (a change!) and that being with Jack was uncomfortable and bringing too much chaos into her "new" life. So the "he" comment wasn't that revealing to me -- other than the fact that the writers revealed Kate is with another male in her private life.
When have Kate and Jack ever been alone long enough to “go for it”? - katieb20022001
I might be imagining things but weren't Jack & Kate alone for the first 8 episdoes of season 2? I think that was enough time for them to "go for it" but both of them didn't do it. Not even in that awkward shower/towel scene.
How I pray that Kate finally gets an independant story line. I know that this might sound harsh but she somehow reminds me of Lana Lang on Smallville. She's defined by the men in her life and doesn't really have anything to do besides flipflopping between 2 guys.
I think that Kate's character wins when she is with Sawyer, she is valiant, determinated and independent as she really is and she can be the strong character we likes. But her interact with Jack is always dark and frustrating for her, she's always loosing her shining personality. I think that TPTB didn't do this without a reason and I can't undestand why Jaters still exist, are they misogynist?
I might be imagining things but weren't Jack & Kate alone for the first 8 episdoes of season 2? I think that was enough time for them to "go for it" but both of them didn't do it. Not even in that awkward shower/towel scene.
Really? They were alone? They didn't have half the camp by their side wondering which nostril to breathe out of next? I guess Jack could've dropped everything and put the moves on Kate in her towel, I mean it's not like he was busy exploring the hatch with Sayid and trying to figure out if it was safe for them to be around it. That dummy Jack, just can't seem to get his priorites straight can he? Yes, you're imagining things. Even when they are realistically alone someone comes stumbling out of the jungle needing a doctor. It's kind of amusing actually.
Hopefully Kate will get her independent story line next season because right now she's little more than eye candy spitting out really lame dialogue.
I think that TPTB didn't do this without a reason and I can't undestand why Jaters still exist, are they misogynist?
I'm always amused that the fans of the character that has spent his entire life using and abusing women, who treats them with no respect whatsoever, try to suggest that Jack and his fans are misogynists.
katieb, I think your confusion comes from the fact that Sawyer's past is not what we're watching. We're watching the current story, where Kate and Sawyer are equals. And Jack and Kate are not. But you didn't want to get into shipper stuff, right?
I keep wondering where MF came up with his "circumstance" pocket line. It's almost like he disrespects Kate as much as his character does. It's not as if Kate is an adult who makes choices, it's that she's is a mindless objects that gets pushed into her actions by "circumstances".
Wow! This topic sure got alot of chit chat!
I think this is old because he didn't mentioned [i]anything[/i] about Juliette. The triangle has expanded now. She could be one of those circumstances, or its just old and the choice has already happened.
So I read this during IP today. and I almost wet myself. FINALLY news about the triangle!
So alot of thoughts came to my mind when I read about this.
1. Someone dies for her OR she dies.
2. She's somehow forced to be with someone she doesn't love, possibly by Dharma or the Others.
3. Something that none of us will see coming.
I'm guessing the third option. Just because that's how LOST is, haha.
Let us pray that James stays :(
Talking about misogynists, Sawyer has nothing to envy Jack:
KATE (at Sawyer): Should I walk beside you, or ten paces behind you? You've gotten so good at telling me what to do, I can't think for myself anymore. Stranger in a Strange Land episode.
As I said before, there are still 48 episodes (god helps us we see them sooner than later), and if Kate ignores Jack's ILY and stays with Sawyer, the choice is made. Because that is what she is supposed to do if she loves him, has started a relationship with him, and is (perhaps) pregnant with his baby.
But who believes that's what gonna happen by episode 4 (when she finds out if she's pregnant)?
Not that simple.
look it was this interview on november 2006
http://img205.imageshack.us/img205/6488/matthewfoxinterviewis1.gif
not new that's all
@black mamba - I know how is it going to be the end of the triangle:
-Sawyer:"Frankly my dear, I don't give a damn"
If Kate doesn't stop messing with Sawyer's head, that's how the triangle might end. There has always has been a Rhett-Scarlett-Ashley vibe to the Sawyer-Kate-Jack triangle. By the time she realizes that she and Jack don't get one another and never will, it may be too late for her and Sawyer.
MNE said...
"Talking about misogynists, Sawyer has nothing to envy Jack:
KATE (at Sawyer): Should I walk beside you, or ten paces behind you? You've gotten so good at telling me what to do, I can't think for myself anymore. Stranger in a Strange Land episode."
Oh,would you think that Kate'd say that to the powerful hero? No, this is exactly the diference, Kate is free with Sawyer to tell and feel all that she wants.
Kate is Kate with Sawyer and they are a nice couple even when they are fighting they are making love with Jack, Kate is"under" him, she is never her equal.
Kate is"under" him
Thank you for that!!)))
The misogynist delusional jater inside me wants to see that!!
Kate under Jack! I mean Wow!
Talking about misogynists, Sawyer has nothing to envy Jack:
KATE (at Sawyer): Should I walk beside you, or ten paces behind you? You've gotten so good at telling me what to do, I can't think for myself anymore. Stranger in a Strange Land episode. - mne
The difference is that Kate isn't afraid to tell Sawyer what she's really thinking. She steps up to him. She never does that with Jack.
I keep wondering where MF came up with his "circumstance" pocket line. It's almost like he disrespects Kate as much as his character does. It's not as if Kate is an adult who makes choices, it's that she's is a mindless objects that gets pushed into her actions by "circumstances". - Veronica
I always have the feeling that Matthew has a big ego. I still remember an interview at the end of season 2 where he said that Sawyer isn't even an option and so on and so forth. It seemed as if he was sure that Kate would end up with Jack. Maybe he's just trying to rationalize the Kate & Sawyer stuff for himself. Some sort of damage control. I don't know.
Really? They were alone? They didn't have half the camp by their side wondering which nostril to breathe out of next? I guess Jack could've dropped everything and put the moves on Kate in her towel, I mean it's not like he was busy exploring the hatch with Sayid and trying to figure out if it was safe for them to be around it. That dummy Jack, just can't seem to get his priorites straight can he? Yes, you're imagining things. Even when they are realistically alone someone comes stumbling out of the jungle needing a doctor. It's kind of amusing actually. - katieb
What I meant was that they had 8 episodes where 1 part of the triangle was completely removed (Sawyer was away on the raft) and still Jack and Kate didn't get together. I know that they are the leaders of the group and therefore have a huge responsibility for the other survivors, but c'mon, that doesn't mean that they can't make a relationship happen if they really want to do it. I mean, Kate was able to form some sort of relationship with Sawyer and he's a fellow survivor. If it was all about responsibility, they both should stay single and not become involved with other people IMO. I mean, I don't want them to make stupid decisions because of certain hormones that are clouding their brains.
Hey Dark, Have you done a poll to see who people want Kate to end up with? Who do you think?
I think its gonna be Jack. I always thought she chose Sawyer because she thought Jack didnt feel the same way. He clearly didnt kiss her back when they kissed in the jungle(why i have no clue). Then he told her to go and never come back for him. Not realizing that he only did that because he loved her.
Sawyer even seems to know that Jack and Kate have some sort of feelings for each other. He told her he knew she used him when they tussled in the tent.
And after Jack told Kate that he loves her, you could she something in her eye like she knew she messed up again. I still think there is more to this story, I just hope it sits backburner to all the other unsloved mysteries.
katieb, I think your confusion comes from the fact that Sawyer's past is not what we're watching. We're watching the current story, where Kate and Sawyer are equals. And Jack and Kate are not. But you didn't want to get into shipper stuff, right?
Yes Veronique, I realize that Sawyer's fans believe his past doesn't matter, but it does. Uh, no Kate and Jack wouldn't be equals in any life, but then we've seen that Jack has horrible taste in women so why would the island change that?
I keep wondering where MF came up with his "circumstance" pocket line. It's almost like he disrespects Kate as much as his character does. It's not as if Kate is an adult who makes choices, it's that she's is a mindless objects that gets pushed into her actions by "circumstances".
I keep wondering if there is a Skater out there that doesn't have this unnatural aversion toward MF, this need to paint him as something he's not or ever shown evidence of being. I think the issue here isn't MF, but the refusal by some to see what was obvious and why his comment was dead on.
Kate is kind of a combination of everything you suggested. She's an immature adult that can sometimes seem mindless who allows her "circumstances" to drive her to make impulsive and often bad choices. Before you spin off on me, I'm not saying sleeping with Sawyer was a bad choice, I'm saying had the circumstances not been what they were, she never would've done it, not in that moment. Even Sawyer was bright enough to realize why she slept with him and did you see the look of confirmation Kate gave him when he nailed her on it? None of that says Kate doesn't love Saywer though, but you can't seem to wrap your mind around the simple logic of it.
If the "circumstances" didn't lead to the cage sex then why then? Kate and Sawyer lived on the beach together and had ample opportunity to engage in sex in a more favorable atmosphere, so why then? Could it be that she felt she'd never have another chance? Could it be that she thought he was going to die? Could it be if they were on the beach toasting coconuts she might've thought about it, but wouldn't have acted on it? We'll never know will we because she was placed in an intense situation that was purposely set up by Ben to get them to do exactly what they did. Like Sawyer said, "they were just bait".
So see, MF is right and honestly Veronique, that is all I care about in this debate, that you Skaters can't seem to help directing tacky sarcasm and anger toward an actor because he offered his opinion on the mini-arc. Do you honestly believe he cares who ends up with Kate on any kind of personal level? That's just silly.
Well me! I am a Skater and I LOVE Matthew Fox AND the character of Jack. I would have been fine with Jack and Kate being together. But that isn't the narrative direction of this story and that at this point it would be dishonest to the character of Kate.
If you read the Lage thread about this tidbit, it seems that this is a French translation of a Spanish language interview done for a Brazilian mag from before S3 and that it refers to the manipulation of Kate and Sawyer in the cages and not to anticipated S4 content.
I'm pretty sure that he was talking about season 3. And we all know this: the triangle is not over.
I miss the ship war hiatus :P...
Oh dont tell me Kate and Jack are siblings :@ Jack's father's done some business around.
sounds like sawyer gets killed to me.
it makes sense being his story will be over after his next flashback about the tampa job.
i would say him and hurly are the only 2 that both red the bad twin story and know about the hanso foundation and the widmores working with them and paik. but only hurley red the whole book. TPTB said that the author of that book was sucked into(or put in by smoky if you slo mo it) the engine in the pilot episode and that it would be brought up at a later point.
@katieb - So see, MF is right and honestly Veronique, that is all I care about in this debate.
Because Matthew Fox (and Jack) have to be right or the world as we know it will implode. Right?
guys we should all stop fighting coz obviously this interview is old!
have you read the whole interview there is a question about whether jack would betray his friends or not??? after he turned back to the beach many ppl were so sure that he would betray his frineds but he didnt do that!
this interview is about jack's character, foxy's life in hawai and S3!
and he was right about the triangle answer! circumstances brought kate and sawyer together/closer while the same circumstances seperated jack from kate and sawyer! isoleted him from the triangle completely! and we saw a lot of intense scenes between sawyer and kate... they beated him everyday in front of kate, they forced her to say ILY, they convinced her that picket would kill sawyer, they put them in cages and all they saw was eachothers faces for days and nights, they seperated jack and threatened kate that if she asked about jack he would beat sawyer to death, they ate fishbiscuits for one week, they made them work, they conned sawyer with a peacemaker and then convinced him that there's no way that they could escape from that island (which was kinda stuipid actually coz both sawyer and kate knew that the others come to their island so there has to be some way right?) anyways you remember the last thing pickett told to sawyer before he came back to kill him, he said "You got anything you wanna say to your girl? You best say it tonight"... so you cant say this choice has nothing to do with circumstances coz obviously it has!
and after the mini arc we all saw that there wasnt actually a certain choice in the first place!
Triangle schmiangle... Kate's going to end up living in a lesbian commune in Lincolnshire while Jack and Sawyer co-habit in San Fransisco and do their best to forget about women altogether. FACT.
I think everyone has forgotten that Kate was a married woman at the time of the plane crash.
{kind of}
She was married to her cop husband in Miami under the name Monica.
The marriage is of course not legal with the fake name and all but maybe when she got off the island some how she hooked up with him because he wanted to help her avoid being sent to jail and had never stopped loving her.
or maybe there is more to that story that has not been told as of yet !!
Could he have hunted her down, got all his cop, DA, and lawyer contacts on his side to help her out??
It is a long shot I am sure but is there any chance at all that he got the charges dropped / helped her out and then married her again for real this time ?
If Sawyer /other losties didn't make it off the island,
{so they are seperated}
and druggie, spiraling out of control Jack was her choices.
As well if she were pregnat she might turn to Kevin as her way out of things.
{Just a thought}
". so you cant say this choice has nothing to do with circumstances " well to bad that Carlton didn't think that Kate's choise was because the circumstances.He saied "two characters who are in love finaly consumated their relationship".
...The same Carlton/Darlton who said on the clip show before the finale, that the Kate/Sawyer/Jack thing was more "Who Kate would sleep with first"?...His view(s) seem's to change quite a bit, usually depending on what fandom he's reaching out to..
...The same Carlton/Darlton who said on the clip show before the finale, that the Kate/Sawyer/Jack thing was more "Who Kate would sleep with first"?...His view(s) seem's to change quite a bit, usually depending on what fandom he's reaching out to..- tiarna
I think that was meant as a joke but it was a very, very bad one because it makes it seem as if the producers treat Kate (who's the female lead) like a sex object. I hope their wives gave them an earful for their stupid remarks on the clip show. Their comments about Juliet and Kate were quite cheesy even if they weren't meant to be taken seriously.
well the thing is carlton and damon say a lot of things!sometimes jatey; sometimes skatey...
same goes with evie... she changes her mind like in every second LOL
it would be silly to believe their skatey quotes and ignore the jatey ones, or do the opposite...
i only believe them when they said the triangle will go on for a long time *rolleyes*
i hope it will end this season but i dont keep my hopes high!
KatieB - if you need for Matthew Fox to be "correct" then ok, technically, it was all due to "circumstance". Of course, by that logic, everything is only due to "circumstance". Without the circumstance of crashing on the island, none of them would even know one another. Charlie's death was due to circumstance. Desmond's visions are due to circumstance. His separation from Penny is due to circumstance. Sun's pregnancy is due to circumstance. It's ALL due to circumstance. It's a meaningless way to describe it, but the way MF constantly repeats it (him and only him, for some reason) does seem very sour grapey. Every couple, in real life and in fiction, comes together due to circumstance. It doesn't mean no "choice" is made. The choice is made within the given circumstance. So it's a moot point.
it would be silly to believe their skatey quotes and ignore the jatey ones, or do the opposite... - luthien
To be honest, I don't care about anything they say in the media about this stupid story line. They only try to create hype so that both shipper groups continue to watch the show. The only reason why their comments on the clip show bugged me was because their statements were disrespectful towards woman.
It would be nice if they finally free Kate from this story line but I fear they are going to continue to keep her actions ambigious until the end of the show. I don't see them ever putting Jack & Kate together because they have written a whole miniarc gearing up to Kate's "choice" and they also wrote so many connections between those 2 characters in their flashbacks. It's just a shame that they don't want to end the ambiguity.
As I said before, there are still 48 episodes (god helps us we see them sooner than later), and if Kate ignores Jack's ILY and stays with Sawyer, the choice is made. Because that is what she is supposed to do if she loves him, has started a relationship with him, and is (perhaps) pregnant with his baby. - mne
If Kate responds to Jack's BILY in a positive way, the choice is made. If she responds in a negative way she has made her choice too. There are only 2 ways for TPTB to drag this thing out. To brush the BILY scene under the carpet and never mention it again (that would be totally unrealistic behaviour but Kate's reactions never make sense anyway) or to have Kate respond in a positive way but make her pregnant with Sawyer's baby (Soap Opera here we come). It's surely gonna be 1 of those 2 scenarios considering that they don't want to end the ambiguity.
Veronique said...
It's a meaningless way to describe it, but the way MF constantly repeats it (him and only him, for some reason) does seem very sour grapey.
I don't actually think he's "constantly repeating it", He did these interview's around the time of the season 3 part2, it's not really his problem if this mag is recycling an old quote to use now.
Sour Grapery? Really?!(You got that from a print interview?) He was asked a simple question & gave an honest opinion, one which, I might add, he isn't alone in thinking..
Since that drab BILY was only due to "circumstance" and the story will be picking up at a rapid clip when it returns, I doubt it will be referenced at all. Juliet is still very much in the picture and we saw how much Jack was concerned about only her when the call came from the beach. That relationship will be going full steam ahead. And then the likely pregnancy will be a huge emotional factor for both Sawyer and Kate. I think the BILY being out there is all the ambiguity we'll get for a long time. I'm sure that was the whole reason for it. You'll probably get some Jate in the FFs as well, to keep feeding that ever dwindling fire, but little else, I expect.
hulk said...
". so you cant say this choice has nothing to do with circumstances " well to bad that Carlton didn't think that Kate's choise was because the circumstances.He saied "two characters who are in love finaly consumated their relationship".
THEY SAID THAT SO CAUSE HYPE, TO CAUSE ARGUING, DEBATING. TO CAUSE WHAT IS HAPPENING NOW.
OK. Gawd, The STORYLINE in LOST ASIDE From what DARLTON said ABOUT THE SCENES says that WERE circumstances, MANY. It is apparent. Now stop this stupid crap, and I am tired of repeating myself.
I mean, it has already been commented on, that what Darlton says about scenes is not guaranteed 100% true. Why would it?
And this Shipper thing is getting old.
KATE is more herself with Sawyer because she is not giddy giddy about him, she is not interested in him sexually or romantically, she never was. This is why she acts the way she acts with Sawyer, she doesn't care if sawyer is interested in her or not. Now Jack on the OTHER HAND, she acts differently around him, why? Why does she care about what she says or does or how she acts around him? SHE LIKES JACK, since day 1, she kissed jack (jack did not kiss back) and she doesn't want him to dislike her for any reason at all, so she almost tiptoes around him, realizing that Jack is a very responsible person that CARES about everyone else on the island and that he is trying to truthfully do something about that.
Now this is no opinion, this is fact from what is happening in the show, the scenes and so forth. Rewatch seasons 1 and 2. You will see.
Now stop arguing amongst yourselves and being little babies about this.
Some may want Sawyer to be with Kate and some may want it to be Jack. But you know what? She's going to pick the best guy for her, and her future. (and the FF in the finale IS NOT THE END, yet)
@ken - The cage thing was a plan by Ben to upset Jack and have him do the SURGERY. So I don't know why Skaters say that she CHOSE Sawyer. When people are in love the first thing they don't do is have sex.
Kate's true feelings for Sawyer surface when he is in danger (when he faced the polar bear, when he was away on the raft, when he came back and was close to death in the hatch, when he was beaten in the cage, when he was threatened with death on Quadra Island, when he waited to be executed by Pickett in front of Kate's cage and on the beach). Her desperation at times such as these shows how much she loves Sawyer. She initiated sex with him because she wanted him to know how she felt. In the I Do flashback, Kate told Kevin over and over again that she loved him, but she left him. With Sawyer, she let her actions do the talking and she stayed. Adults who have grown to understand and love one another over a period of several months usually do have sex.
@ken - KATE is more herself with Sawyer because she is not giddy giddy about him, she is not interested in him sexually or romantically, she never was. This is why she acts the way she acts with Sawyer, she doesn't care if sawyer is interested in her or not....Now this is no opinion, this is fact from what is happening in the show, the scenes and so forth. Rewatch seasons 1 and 2. You will see.
I think that Kate is more herself with Sawyer because he loves her unconditionally. He also seems to bring out the best in her. She's not needy or self-deprecating when she's with him. She's independent and confident. She speaks her mind. That's mature love. Not interested in him sexually or romantically? If you can't see that she is attracted to him emotionally, sexually and romantically, you must be ignoring most of their scenes together. Take your own advice and watch all three seasons - with an open mind this time. At least I can admit that she and Jack have feelings for one another, too.
@ Ken - Now {you shippers} stop arguing amongst yourselves and being little babies about this.
This comment applies as much to you as it does to anyone else.
Ken,
You make a good point. With Tom and Kevin Kate was very different than the way she is with Sawyer. More like she is with Jack.
I really hope that we can stop with this type of discussion (about Carlton) as it doesn't add anything new. They PLAY with us and they will keep doing it.
The end of season 3 is NOT the end of the show. WE do NOT know how it is going to end. Lost is fantastic because of that.
@joana -With Tom and Kevin Kate was very different than the way she is with Sawyer. More like she is with Jack.
Yes, she was different with Kevin. She tried to be someone she wasn't. It didn't work and she left. I don't think that she would be happy as a doctor's trophy wife, either. Even Sarah couldn't do it and she was a law-abiding member of society.
@saska - I don't think that she would be happy as a doctor's trophy wife.
Sorry, I don't know Jack's ex-wife background, but she surely didn't look like a trophy to me. She was a normal woman, with a normal job.
I guess after the time spent in the island, everybody will change, for better or worse. And perhaps they will even end up their days in the island, where normal society doesn't matter...
I just would like the writers to have the guts to make Kate choose, and stay (an improvement to her) with somebody, without the need to justify if by a death, hence my dislike of the ambiguity of second choice.
I like both Jack and Sawyer (a little more Jack, I concede), I would like to watch them till the end, and see what they could learn from their differences.
Damn triangle, but it shows us the nuances of human nature as much as any other relationship between the characters on the island.
Cheers
@mne - I would like to watch [Sawyer and Jack] till the end, and see what they could learn from their differences....
....and their similarities! As Sawyer once said to Kate about Jack: "The difference between us ain't that big, sweetheart." I believe that Jack and Sawyer will become a dynamic duo before the end of the show. I love the way their relationship has developed over the three seasons.
@saska - ....and their similarities!
Indeed!
I hope these circumstances are not obviously something we've seen before, like pregnancy. Pregnancy i.e. having sex with someone without protection is not beyond a person's control.
However, if the studio tries to write around the striking writers, maybe this would be the kind of garbage we could come to expect ;-). The pregnancy would be a cop out, total jumping the shark, to resolve this triangle/rhombus/whatever. Lost is smarter than that.
@mne - Sorry, I don't know Jack's ex-wife background, but she surely didn't look like a trophy to me. She was a normal woman, with a normal job....And perhaps [Jack and Kate] will even end up their days in the island, where normal society doesn't matter...
Yeah, trophy wife is not exactly the right term. It's more like this: Sarah and Jack married for the wrong reasons. She hero worshipped him for fixing her. She put him on a pedestal but she left him when she realized that he was just a man with flaws like any other man. She was very unhappy because it wasn't an equal relationship based on true understanding. The relationship between Jack and Kate is even less equal. You seem like a reasonable person. Can you honestly see her as a doctor's wife in the real world? How could she ever feel accepted and loved for who she is? Jack doesn't even really know who she is. I find relationships like this unappealing and unrealistic. They are based on one person being glorified and the other being debased. Even if they stayed on the island forever, I cannot see this pairing as a healthy one.
Hi saska, we're still here, huh? But with all this strike talk, who can blame us?
I don't go much into who Kate should choose because I have a problem with Kate's character to start with.
First she was supposed to be the leader, and I wonder if that was the case, what her flasbacks would be... Because, the ones they showed us are not very substantial. Kate murders the stepdad and runs... Try to see her mother, get her old boyfriend killed and runs, try again to see her mother, is helped by Cassidy and runs, get married to a cop and runs...
I mean she is clever, she likes to be independent but... what else did she do in her life? What did she aspire for? She didn't study much, she didn't have a profession (at least that was not shown)... I feel I get Michael's character better that Kate's.
So, if this is it, what we are going to get from her and she is not gonna change, then I agree that she would be better off with Sawyer. At least they could con together for a while before she runs off again.
But I'm looking forward to season 4 FFs... If after her trial she's free to settle down, we will see what she will do with her life if she doesn't have to run.
"@ Ken - Now {you shippers} stop arguing amongst yourselves and being little babies about this.
This comment applies as much to you as it does to anyone else."
No it does not. I don't give a crap who she wants , or even if she dies next episode. I love the story as a whole and the island as a mystery more than anything else.
I'm stating what I see, you saw Kate maturely loving Sawyer. I saw Kate responsibly caring about human life. She has a big heart, but I do not believe that Kate loves Sawyer romantically. Sawyer is a survivor of Oceanic Flight 815 just as much as Kate, she will CARE for him. She was forced to say she Loves Sawyer in front of him, while his life was threatened. Its all plain to see. I have watched all episodes with an open eye and I am not denying anything in regards to Jate or Skate, Kate cares about Sawyer, Kate cares about Jack, but inside I think she wants to end up with Jack more.
Hey, mne, it's good to discuss this aspect of Lost until the real spoilers start rolling in. You're right, Kate has been a runner. I thought she grew in I Do because she didn't run. She didn't have to stay in that cage with Sawyer but she did. I think that most of the characters are evolving and I believe that's one of the major themes of Lost.
Hi, Ken, I didn't mean to offend you. I get tired of being denigrated for caring about the romantic relationships in Lost. What can I say, I'm a romantic. You seemed to care about the relationship aspect of the show as much as anyone else. If I was wrong, I apologize.
I'm actually a romantic too, for some strange reason I don't feel romantic about Lost. lol
Kate is a brave woman, with a big heart, and I think she wouldn't leave any of her friends behind in the same situation.
The romantic aspect of the show is a reason as any other one to enjoy the show. I just feel that in the case of Lost specifically, is a source of a lot of frustration...(think about Claire and Charlie).
Even if I think things are being building up for Kate to be with Jack in the end, I wouldn't mind if she ends up with Sawyer.
I just would like her character to grow stronger (emotionally).
Or Rose and Sun will continue to be my female prefered characters on the show. Not that there's anything wrong with that :)
I love Rose and Sun, too. There are a lot of tough-minded women on the show, especially Rousseau, Juliet and Rose. I'll leave Kate out of the equation. ;)
I would love to see more posts devoted to Sun's character than to Kate's. She is the more interesting character and she is portrayed by the very talented Yunjin Kim.