Update: 27th November 2007 Below is the full quality version of the video.
Once again a massive thank you to Susan for sending us the video and allowing DarkUFO readers to be the first without a Verizon phone to see the mobisode. Also thanks to another Susan for the transcript of the mobisode. Again apologies for the low quality , it's the best we can do to bring it to fans a week before the full quality version comes out.
Ben - So this must be strange to you.
Jack - Not really. Been a while but my dad taught me to play when I was a kid.
Ben - Actually I was talking about you being here, with us.
Jack - I got what I wanted.
Ben - It’s been a long time since I had anybody with a little skill to play against. I don’t suppose there’s anything I could do to convince you to stick around. Relax Jack. Just an idle question. We have a deal. I fully intend to honor it.
Jack - Intend to, or you will?
Ben - It’s not entirely up to me. If the island doesn’t want you to leave, it won’t let you.
Jack - What the, the island’s going to sink the sub?
Ben - No. No. I promise you I won’t do anything to prevent you from getting home. But if you do leave this place, the day may come when you want to return.
Jack - Never.
Ben - I’ve learned never to say never. And if that day comes, I hope you remember this conversation.
(Checkmate by Ben.)
Ben - Was a nice try though.
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In terms of the timeline - it's possible that this chess game is happening at the exact same time Locke is playing the computer in the Flame station!
Just wanted to say THANK YOU for posting these mobisodes so early (for those of us who don't have Verizon phones). I'm happy to see them, no matter what the quality.
'preciate it!
That's not a checkmate by Ben. It's a castle.
Looks like Jack put him in check and he got out of it.
Thanks Susan & Dark. This scene with Jack & Ben playing chess & the conversation they had would have be great if they showed us this in season 3. Oh well. Maybe they should have showed this scene rather than Jack playing the piano.
Much appreciated.
I really like this one and the checkmate and Ben's "nice try though" is a nice play on the whole situation. It's as though Ben is telling Jack that his escape attempt is about to get foiled, but thanks for playing.
Thanks for the sneek peek!
Thanks once again all those involved Dark and Susan for getting us these videos before the rest.I love chess and loved this scene and agree that they should have had this on the show ha.
Ben & Locke and Ben & Jack scenes are the best! A little reference to the flash-forward huh...
I'm really enjoying the mobisodes, thanks Dark and Susan!
Irony still seems to be a predominant theme.
"The Watch" - Jack's marriage will end badly.
"Adventures" - Libby and Hurley will never have their picnic
And now "Castle," which has too fun bits of irony.
The first, of course, is that the submarine will be destroyed by Locked. The second is that Jack WILL want to return to the island one day.
Nice.
Even better than reading the script. Ben does creepy so subtle and understated, he is brilliant.
Big thanks to Susan and Dark for the Lost fix.
Wow. This one is so awesome! Definately better than the first two mobisodes.
I think Ben knows something we don't about the Island.
Thanks Susan and Dark.
I have a Verizon phone but I don't pay their outrageous fees to watch silly little videos.
This one was much more interesting than any other one so far. It seems that Ben is confirming that the island is sentient or has the ability to want things and make those things happen. This had been said previously but I always assumed it was a metaphor. Now I'm not so sure.
Great mobisode! After the last two (which I actually liked, too) this one looks awesome!
I love the allusions to Locke blowing up the sub, Jack wanting to go back to the island - it's like Ben could predict the future (no, I DON'T think he sees flashes like Desmond).
And the last scene with the checkmate, it's just so symbolic!
wow,loved it! very interesting since we know that that day will come..!
Foxy looks amazing btw.the longer hair really suits him.
THat's not a checkmate, it's a defense move. It's likely to be a parallel to Ben getting help from Locke on this first "try" of Jack getting off the island via the submarine. Next one will make him want to come back.
Loved it. That one is fun and interesting. Hint for Island's nature. And It goes well with the finale.
The person in the coffin could indeed be Ben. May be Jack was remembering that conversation at the funeral.
We could solve Lost in a chess tournament between Jack-Locke-Ben :)
We could solve Lost in a chess tournament between Jack-Locke-Ben :)
We would have to be very careful with Locke as he would probably blow up the board :)
:) That's why Locke will be killed right before the series finale :P
We would have to be very careful with Locke as he would probably blow up the board :)
LOL. Priceless.
Ben cannot be in a coffin!
If they both was rescueed they would be together searched for a way back!
Ben not from those who surrenders, as well as Jack!
Thanks for the vid btw!!!
And Foxy is so sweet in this mobisode!!!We need more Jate now!!!
hmmmm what kind of sparked in my mind was the possible hinting of Ben being in the coffin?I know people already theorize about it but this suports it. He said when he feels like thinking about going back to the island to think of this conversation. This would explain even more so as to why he is upset about whoever is in the coffin.....iunno just my 2 cents.
"If the island doesn’t want you to leave, it won’t let you."
That's what happened to Desmond I guess. People can go from and to the Island (Richard for example) but Desmond couldn't.
An interesting mobisode. They are getting better.
Nice to see Ben/Michael again (and his disturbing smile).
I bet the next is about Sun/Jin or Claire (good things come to those who wait, and I've got a lot of patience).
This one was much better than the first 2. It's always great to see Ben do his thing. The man is made of awesome.
This one was also a nice reference to the FF in the season finale. As we can see Ben turned out to be right.
Just 1 minor complaint though. Does Jack have to mention his father in every conversation? It's really getting tiresome.
AWESOME mobisode! This one was actually what they promised us, unlike the first two. Thank to Susan and Dark!
This was excellent, I hope most of them are like this.
This is more along the lines of the "mythology" of LOST...especially "foreshadowing" Jack's flashforward in which he DOES want to come back, and probably does remember this conversation.
Could that mean Ben is in the coffin, and Jack, remembering this conversation, is driven to suicide, knowing he can't come back?
This was way better than the last two. This one could have actually made the show.
This is the best mobisode so far, I can finally see some content in it and thanks for the transcript: from a non-native speaker's point of view, I sometimes need the script when the sound isn't very good if I want to understand every single word they say.
Just put up with me for an extra silly comment but I have to post it: FOXY LOOKS GORGEOUS!!! I am speechless! He gets hotter and hotter every day! I don't know why but this man kills me every time I see him. Never happened before! Never fancied actors/singers in my life and I feel very silly but what can I do?!
The starting positions of Kings and Queens on the chess board were reversed. Kings don't start on their own colors.
Ben has sacrificed a bishop, but he's up two pawns. He castled queen-side to escape from Jack, a neat sideways move.
Ben's defense is much superior to Jack's. He can easily beat back the White Queen, with several subsequent attacking opportunities.
Everything is the best.
Oh men, Michael Emerson is an increidible actor. He makes so much of so little!!!
Excelent. I love these two.
If Jack's dad wasn't dead already, Ben would manage to make Jack kill him.
@jane eris - thanks for the chess translation for chess dummies like me :)
The Susans rock!
Correct me if I'm wrong (and I very well could be), I'm a chess novice, and I thought you couldn't castle out of check. Was he in check?
Best Mobisode yet, (obviously.)
Oh, and another big thanks to Susan for the video!
Hipster, you're correct. You cannot castle out of check :)
Queen of hearts rules
This was the best so far.A Sawyer mobisode next would be cool.Better yet a Sawyer/Kate mobisode!
I doubt it will get deleted, but a quick fix of the sentence structure and grammatical errors could help your argument. I'm a Jack fan, so I guess you could say 4 to 5 Jack fans. I'm just messing with you, and I don't get why everyone has to argue over characters all the time. I don't like all the characters, but I think they're all perfect in their roles on Lost.
I just want to THANK YOU Dark and Suzan one more time!!!
Can't stop watching it!
I wish all mobisodes will be like this one!
And I feel totally in love with this guy! FOXY RULES!!!
I agree with you Elisabetta. Foxy is handsome, gorgeous!
I love him! I love Jack!
I'm a Jack fan, I'm jate and to me: JATE IS FATE!
Awesome!
As far as interpreting the chess match, I think the symbolism was that Jack was trying to pin Ben down, but Ben got out of it by saying that Jack could still end up not getting off the island, if the island didn't let him. Jack was trying to checkmate Ben, but Ben got out of it (he castled).
This is definitely more like it, awesome pacing, ominous overtones, and a real "missing piece" if there ever was one. We've ALL wondered what Jack was doing while he hung with the Others, and now we get a snippet.
And, the chess game, with Ben playing the dark side.
And references to the "Island" not letting go of Jack - and the Island's prime vehicle, Locke, doing so.
And the foreshadowing(back?) of the flashforward.
To be honest, I appreciated the further look into Ben's(?) home, it shows that he obviously has a Barnes & Noble on the island, and is far more well-read than previous episodes indicated. Too bad we can't screencap the titles . . .
Best mobisode by far, IMO, I had a feeling that they would start to get better.
Anyone know if these will ever see wide release for purchase?
wow i loved that mobisode... it was really good!
"If the island doesn’t want you to leave, it won’t let you."
"I promise you I won’t do anything to prevent you from getting home. But if you do leave this place, the day may come when you want to return."
"never"
great conversation!
since locke is connected with the island we can say that island didnt want jack to leave but FF showed us that jack and kate found a way to get off...
but they werent suppose to leave thats why jack wanted to get back!!!
thanks to dark and susan :)
This one is pretty. And intense! Oh, Jack, when will you learn to listen to Ben's words. Eh!
Thanks for posting!
I found this John K.'s observation at The Tailsection very interesting:
"So once again, characters saying things they think to be true which we know to be false. Characters are hopeful about their fates and their futures, but we know there is no hope. It's a simple, obvious storytelling device: the audience knows more than the characters, and as such, we are amused by their surety."
So if it's true for the mobisodes we've seen so far, which false hopes we can expect for the other character's mobisodes?
Glad to see more interaction btw Ben and Jack, they're intensity together is wonderful. And its always great to look at Jack/Foxy
the conversation was:
Ben - No. No. I promise you I won’t do anything to prevent you from getting home. But if you do leave this place, the day may come when you want to return.
Jack - Never.
Ben - I’ve learned never to say never. And if that day comes, I hope you remember this conversation.
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i think ben wasn't trying to say to jack "i was right , you'll want to come back " but rather give him a clue on how to get back to the island and jack has to figure it out from the conversation or from the chess game itself.
-I am a big fan of Lost and this site but, really I'm tired about those 3 or 4 Jack's fans who are the last month always around here posting bored Jack's promoting post cause they are thinking that they could change the story of Lost.TPTB are smarter enough to not change it cause 4 Jack's fans have time enough to post all day on several sites, we know who are they if you want I could name them.-
hey venus, i'm a jack fan and i dont think that posting negative or positive comments about a character would change the story... but i really dont get your point here...
you're angry because jack has 2 mobisodes???
or just angry because jack is the main character and gets more centric episodes/mobisodes etc than the other characters??
or just angry because there are ppl who actually love the character??
and ofcourse noone can change the story... i'm very happy with lost and i wouldnt want it to change :)
i really dont get why some ppl who hate a character expect everyone to feel the same way about the character!!!
you really think that jack has only 4 fans left as you claimed???
and this mobisode was very interesting and i'm really sorry for you coz because of your hatred you cant enjoy a great scene!
Well i don't like Jack.But this scene is realy good.
hulk:
Well i don't like Jack.But this scene is realy good.
....
thats great coz we all have characters that we like and characters that we dislike but even if its including a character that we dont really like we can still appreciated a good scene or a performance!
for example, i dont really like sawyer as a character but i really loved "the brig" ...josh was great and i really felt for sawyer in that episode...it was great to see him finally facing the real sawyer!
its sad to know that the hatred for a fictional character makes some ppl cant enjoy the show anymore :(
luthien said... for example, i dont really like sawyer as a character but i really loved "the brig" ...josh was great and i really felt for sawyer in that episode...it was great to see him finally facing the real sawyer!
ditto, my dislike of Sawyer would never prevent me from saying how wonderful a job Josh did in this episode. People need to listen to their mothers and if you don't have something nice to say then don't say anything at all
I think i've watched it a million of times..I'm obsessed.I need the show back.now.
I really love the irony and foreshadowing of the mobisode.it's pretty cool to have the leaders of the two rival groups playing chess.kind of symbolic.
And I can't help myself.gotta join the fangirls.Foxy looks..delicious.lol /fangirl mode off
Much better than the previous two episodes.
And the music reminds me of Twin Peaks, which is even more awesome.
Love the site. How are you able to post the mobisodes without getting sued by ABC/Verizon? We've already lost one great LOST website and I don't want another one gone. There's a reason why ABC doesn't put up the mobisodes (what a queer name for the content)for about a week while Verizon has exclusive use of the content. Other than that, keep up with providing us with great LOST related content.
I wonder who would win in a Ben/Locke match.
My money is with Locke (maybe one of the next mobisodes will answer my question).
Love the site. How are you able to post the mobisodes without getting sued by ABC/Verizon?
LOL I have no idea :)
It is evident that this Mobisode was directed completely differently , with that same taste and quality Lost has always had.
I HAVE to agree with Luthien, though my love for certain characters have flourished quite well since Season 1. I've thoroughly enjoyed every episode and yes the Brig was very very good and I loved every minute of it.
Why does Verizon only have rights to this material?? why only on a cell phone? Why not air them on TV???
LOL Dark... *knock on wood*
Why does Verizon only have rights to this material?? why only on a cell phone? Why not air them on TV???
Because they paid big money to be the only ones with rights to the material for their cell phones. Hopefully someone isn't going run and tattle about them being posted here. Then again we wouldn't want those writers or actors losing out on a few extra pennies because a fansite is airing their little video. They might refuse to work or something...oh wait....
Thanks for taking the chance Dark! Hopefully you won't get into trouble. : )
Whats with all the negativity? Just appreciate the work that Dark and Susan have been putting into getting them here! Thanks guys, ur awesome and totally rock the wolrd of non-US fans!
If you have a problem with Jack being the lead then take the issue with the writers or ABC! Also last time I checked Jack had more than 4 fans (rem the Jack vs Sawyer character matchup?).
Anyways only certain shippers can turn Jack and Ben playing chess into a Skate and Sawyer lovefest!
Did anybody else think of The Seventh Seal when watching that?
Yeah this Jack obsession works both ways, even if some fans of the show keep denying it. There are people who hate him, because he is a character who's supposed to be the honorable hero when he has flaws himself and makes a number of bad decisions in an environment which he has no control or comprehension over. It's the way he's written, and he is the main guy caught between most of the major conflicts, people ought to get used to it, Jack will be around for a loooooong time. And he will be central as long as these conflicts onsist partly of him. And I'm betting that whoever's coming to the island will set new conflicts with Jack in it.
And there are people who love him, because they look at his story and are moved by it, and want to see more of it. His story is not one that ends at the island, it's one that begins on the island and progresses with his struggles distress, his enemies, his camp's expetations of him. Take Charlie, his story off island has always intrigued me a lot more than what he went through on the island. He was funny and amusing as hell, untill the end where Des kept saving him of course, but his story off the island could unbeliably capturing had it not been disturbed
by the crash.
In short there are some who appreciate Jack's struggle and not see him as an A hole, and there are some who don't. That means the show is very succesful in what it tries to do.
Matthew Fox has loads of fans all around and not all of them are into internet fandom, the ones that are like to express their appreciation because well, he plays Jack and does an awesome job. I wonder what would be of this situation is Jorge or Dom played him, or Josh.
Matthew and Jack are around more in terms of Lost and acting and some of us believe it is rightly so.
Venus, sorry but we're not who you think we are, try not to generalis what you don't know since you don't participate in.
"I think Ben knows something we don't about the Island"
-No shit
bongzilla said:
Did anybody else think of The Seventh Seal when watching that?
YES! Thank you! I've been trying to figure out what it was it reminded me of!!
njl: hahahahahahaha
Screw LOST
DARK RULES!!!!!!!!
Wow, this mobisode is the most interesting so far. Emerson is an incredible actor, and Jack is a hottie as always and my favourite character.
Thanks Dark for your job, you're the best!
Wow i dicovered it!!!! if u pause the movisode right after that Jack say's "Never", you can see a single photogram of a skull right in the head of him with the dharma logo on it!!!
anybody else saw it?
Best one yet. Thanks Susan & Dark.
oh... no... sorry. I must be confused. It was my imagination. I hope you didnt passed hours and hours trying to pause it correctly.
James, hipster and dark,
Ben wasn't in check. He most certainly can castle.
Jack's queen comes down to snap up Black's bishop on G7. It threatens Black's king-side rook. If Ben doesn't react correctly, Jack will take the rook and *then* put Ben in check, leading to the loss of the other rook, at which point Ben might as well resign.
Ben castles queen-side, protecting both his king and his threatened rook. His defense is now secure, he has open lines for his rooks to beat back the queen, and can easily apply pressure to the White side of the board.
Jack's attack is premature and unsupported, which is quite in keeping with his character. If Jack does not castle queen-side himself, *now*, he is doomed. He has no more attacking opportunities. He must go back to his "base camp" and regroup his forces.
Are you aware, Dark, that "The Watch" vid has been removed? :(
Jane Eris said
If Jack does not castle queen-side himself, *now*, he is doomed. He has no more attacking opportunities. He must go back to his "base camp" and regroup his forces.
It's so true!
Thanks Lena, it's now back up.
For those who refered to me about my last post:
-I was complaining cause a post of mine was deleted and I can't find the reason.
-This site is interesting and serious, I think, but last month I detected a kind of "jackcheersleaders" invasion and I think is bad for the site.(to me is boring find a great average of comments like: J is gorgeous, great or "delicious"). But you can look carefully and find just about 4 bloggers posting a lot of messages. This is cause I think is a campaign in Jack's favour, I don't know why but it is obvious to me.
-I can't understand why a site like this let posting like those nonsense posts while mine was deleted. Mine was against Jack and in others characters favour, specially Sawyer. Interesting!
-I am sick of Jack's mobisodes, news, spoilers, comments...and nothing about Sawyer. I am a big Darkufo's fan but I am getting tired knowing just about Jack.( We are lucky cause this mobisode is about Ben too, Yeaah, but not enough)
The waiting for new season is hard watching just Jack's boring things. Maybe it is not Dark's fault but is :P
-I've got to explain my gramatical's mistakes too, English is not my language, sorry.
-My hope is that the writers get what they demand to end the strike and we'll have the whole new season to watch and comment
No more Jack, a lot of SAWYER :)
Sorry venus, but all the news ARE about Jack!
And I love it!I love Jack!
Sawyer... poor guy! Nothing yet!
Patience, Venus!
good things come in last place, the ones you have to wait for!;-)
thanks jane- I rewatched the video and noticed that Ben wasn't in check. I also noticed the pieces moved between shots lol. And the Kings are on the wrong colors. So many continuity errors...lol.
I can't find my post-hope I didn't say something wrong and get deleted Dark. This post is to Jane (quoted below), James, Dark, and anyone who understands chess. I think I'll learn how to play chess if only to figure out this clue. I think Ben was hiding a message in the chess game. Could the moves be construed as a game plan of sorts with the dark not being Ben but the dark forces that threaten the island? Jane said:
"Jack's queen comes down to snap up Black's bishop on G7. It threatens Black's king-side rook. If Ben doesn't react correctly, Jack will take the rook and *then* put Ben in check, leading to the loss of the other rook, at which point Ben might as well resign."
"Ben castles queen-side, protecting both his king and his threatened rook. His defense is now secure, he has open lines for his rooks to beat back the queen, and can easily apply pressure to the White side of the board."
"Jack's attack is premature and unsupported, which is quite in keeping with his character. If Jack does not castle queen-side himself, *now*, he is doomed. He has no more attacking opportunities. He must go back to his "base camp" and regroup his forces."
Literally and figuratively they are playing a game of light versus dark. Is Ben showing OxyContin Jack (the light)how to beat the dark forces and come home to the island? If you had to assign meaning the chess moves, what would it be?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ye71TtJ5xEM
youtube version
the one that is up just got taken down
i think ben wasn't trying to say to jack "i was right , you'll want to come back " but rather give him a clue on how to get back to the island and jack has to figure it out from the conversation or from the chess game itself.
so does anyone see any clues from the conversation?
He might have been telling Jack to basically keep his eyes open in cas he'll want to come back.
And Venus, stick to the Media Mentions, Josh and Sawyer comes up on there almost daily. With Lost though, they keep bringing up Jack and Dark posts it ... Not much to do there either, unless you want to write to TPTB to shoot more Sawyer.
But think of it this way:
Sawyer's scenes must all be on the island, so you'll get a whole lot of action in Feb.
i think its more than "keeping your eyes open"
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there has to be something there. maybe a clue in the title?
This site is interesting and serious, I think, but last month I detected a kind of "jackcheersleaders" invasion and I think is bad for the site.(to me is boring find a great average of comments like: J is gorgeous, great or "delicious"). But you can look carefully and find just about 4 bloggers posting a lot of messages. This is cause I think is a campaign in Jack's favour, I don't know why but it is obvious to me.
Pls tell how Jack fans talking abt the character or defening him is "bad for the site". We dont bite you know!
Last time I chked everyone here is free to post as much or as little in the discussions as long as the tow the line. You can espouse the virtues of Sawyer as much as you want, when he shows up on a mobisode but there is no Jack consipiracy here at Dark Ufo!
Also Im so glad you are keeping track of all Jack fans Venus, who knew we were so important!
@tanypalta: well said!!! :)
thanx a lot!!!!!!!!!gotta love jack and ben scenes!!
agreed tanypalta... i dont understand why is it a bad thing to love jack or being a jack fan...
we are not bashing other characters like some ppl do...we are just talking positive about the character and when some ppl start to bash him we defend him!
Thanks elisabetta ! Guess we are the 2 fans out of the 4 jack fans ;)
Hey guys call me tanya. tanyapalta sounds so formal :)
luthien said...
agreed tanypalta... i dont understand why is it a bad thing to love jack or being a jack fan...
we are not bashing other characters like some ppl do...we are just talking positive about the character and when some ppl start to bash him we defend him!
Who bashed Jack in this comments section? This is a Jack love fest.
@tanya, @luthien -- WORD!
I could say what I think, but I'd end up being not so nice.
Someone only needs defense when they are being attacked.
Jacob's chair said:"Patience, Venus!
good things come in last place, the ones you have to wait for!;-)"
I hope so Jacob, thanks :)
"Good things come in last place!"
I couldn't agree more with you!And because that, JATE WILL BE THE BEST! It's coming!!! I feel that!!!
:P puaj...comments like this last one are what I meant: "jack's lamentable campaign. Absurd!
freckles said...
Who bashed Jack in this comments section? This is a Jack love fest.
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well they were deleted by dark so you cant see them now... i was talking about the posts that bashed jack before they're deleted!
and its not happening only in this comment section but in every thread thats involving jack...
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anyways this mobisode was really great...cant wait for the new one :)
This was a good one. I love the sense that Ben knows something that we don't.
I wonder what the producers/actors really think of 'fans' who devalue their work by continually harping on about how 'sexy' someone is. The important part of this scene is what is said (or not said) not the length of someone's eyelashes or whatever. Analysis of complex character is one thing but some 'fans' are not really interested in the character being played out on the screen. It does get rather tiresome.
I'll tell you Polly, in Foxy's case, he doesn't like it. He thinks Josh is doing a great job on the hunk department. But he's in Hollywood and he has to have the touch which he does.
And He likes people not liking Jack, because he didn't want to play a perfect character so it all works out.
I don't post very often but if I'm not mistaken,I think the only comments that are not welcome in here are the ones that create tension between the posters aka = HATE comments.
how LOVE comments about whatever character can bother people is totally BEYOND me.
I wonder what the producers/actors really think of 'fans' who devalue their work by continually harping on about how 'sexy' someone is
you should probably ask Josh Holloway.
Matthew Fox's fans usually talk more about his character than 'how freaking hot he is'.this doesn't mean that I will come here commenting on a 1 minute long mobisode writing a ramble about Jack's demons,fears&redemption.I write the two things that come up to my mind: 1)very interesting mobisode 2)foxy looks great.
What's wrong with that?
If you have problems with people loving the main character of LOST you should probably just change show.
In that case Odul, I wish Fox's fans would respect his feelings (and it goes for the fans of other actors too). I am not immune to the physical charms of certain actors but there are enough forums around where on can pledge one's undying love and and describe personal fantasies without bringing them into a discussion of an interesting scene which might actually have a bearing on the plot.
Well first off, no they don't, they have numerous posts in those forums you mentioned how he looks sexy and how they wish he wasn't married. as jabs pointed out, when the actor comes back to his show after a hiatus with a different haircut and visible weight loss, if there's a Comments section fans can comment on that fact, it's what they comment on, what can you do? You think once a Sawyer mobisode shows up those comments will not be here? Or a Kate / Claire mobisode without the comments of how beautiful they are?
We're not brainstorming so that these things will get in the script, some of us speculate, some of us enjoy the sight.
MY first comment for instance, was not how hot Matthew Fox is, it was that the last move was not checkmate but a defense move. But it does not stop me from realizing that Foxy looks good even in a video that's recorded off a telephone. Surely the same things will show up once it's on ABC.com
Same thing will happen with Sawyer's mobisodes, brace yourself.
venus,
not absurd
its freedom. People are allowed to gloat and lavish their favourite characters of the show with comments. Why not? You love sawyer and you say it, I like Jack and I think sawyer is ok and I can say that.
But I don't think its nice to talk negatively about a character of the show. When someone says Jate all the way, they are not saying anything bad about skate or anything else. they are loving their ship. Why post a comment (complaint) about someone loving their character or ship.
We are all allowed to support our own ships or character etc etc.
BTW always knew Ben would whip Jack's butt in chess, but I also do believe that the chess game is symbolic to the events on the island the conflict between the others and the losties.. etc etc
@Odul and Ken, I agree so much with you. Great words! This is just what I wanted to say!
Very well said Ken. I cannot believe some people are taking offense to Jack fans appreciating Jack!
At the end of the day we are Lost fans first and that is what Dark Ufo is all about. Please put a lid to all the negativity and whining as believe me you dont want this place to be like another Lost Forum or Fuselage where thr is no freedom and everyone is nit-picking!
Dragging Sawyer in this mobisode is Absurd.
Getting your knickers twisted when someone appreciates Fox looks is Absurd.
Making everything about shipping is Absurd!
Insisting that Jack has 5 fans is Absurd.
Trying to decide what comments are interesting and what not is Absurd
Dismissing the other set of shippers is Absurd.
Trying to get into the minds of "some fans" is Absurd!
All this constant belittling is Absurd!
Hipster, I didn't see pieces moving not in accordance with the game.
Ben moves first, pawn takes pawn.
Jack moves next, Queen takes bishop.
Ben moves next, castling queenside.
I'm getting curious as to why the pieces have been reversed... and perhaps more crucially (symbolically speaking) in what way they've been reversed.
The board was set up with the Kings and Queens reversed. Queen should start on her own color, but the board clearly shows the uncastled Kings on their own color.
But... who played first? The chess match is too far into the Middle Game for me to determine, let alone figure out which opening was played.
If Jack played first, then there's just a left/right symmetry issue with respect to the starting pieces.
However, it's also conceivable that Ben played first - which makes sense, since White's king usually begins the game to the right of its Queen, which is how Ben's pieces were initially arranged.
If Ben played first, then *he* is actually the White player, but he's playing with Black pieces. This adds a nice bit of reversed symbolism, indicating that Ben only *looks* like the Black player, when in fact is on the White side. And that would make Jack the *Black* player, even though it appears his pieces are White.
Jane said: If Ben played first, then *he* is actually the White player, but he's playing with Black pieces.
How does this happen??? I mean how can a white player play with Blak pieces?
I don’t know if it because we are all getting withdrawal symptoms but it is amazing how much pleasure we can get from one small scene. I am not sure we are meant to analyse the moves in such detail but it the scene does seem steeped in symbolism. It is a game of strategy and that Ben fought off an attack by Jack (although the game is not yet over). I certainly like the idea of reverse symbolism with Ben appearing to be playing the black but actually being white.
On the more obvious level is the conversation which seems to foreshadow the little we know about the future. Jack will want to go back. But we still don’t know why and I’ve a horrible feeling we are still going to be debating that in the next hiatus.
Polly said...
But we still don’t know why and I’ve a horrible feeling we are still going to be debating that in the next hiatus.
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i have the same feeling and it drives me crazy... i need to know why and i'm not sure i can survive debating over the same thing for another 8 months!
I also like like the idea of reverse symbolism with Ben appearing to be playing the black but actually being white and jack appearing to be playing white but being black...
its kinda like ying yang...
black and white existing together in a balance...
from Wikipedia:
Yin (dark) and yang (light) are descriptions of complementary opposites as well as absolutes. Any yin/yang dichotomy can be viewed from another perspective. All forces in nature can be seen as existing in yin or yang states, and two produce constant movement/force of the universe.
As the universe is relative and interdependent, the determination of which thing is yin or yang depends on what is its complementary opposite - that is, the frame of reference (for example: water is yin compared with soil, but water is yang compared with fire).
The reversed pieces may as well serve the reference to Lewis Carroll's "Through th looking Glass" ... when Alice goes thru the looking glass she finds out that everything is reversed there. And in the final it seems that Jack is absolute opposite to Jack that we know and who he was on the island.
P.S.
Why bashing Jack fans? I'm not promoting him, I'm expressing my respect to his character. Am I not allowed to do that?
Why bashing Jack fans? I'm not promoting him, I'm expressing my respect to his character. Am I not allowed to do that?
These are the same posters that spent the summer commenting at this site with things like...MF is a big trouble maker, that his co-workers can't stand him and that his screen time would be all but eliminated this season and that Sawyer was going to become The Leader of Men.
I guess all the Jack sightings are upsetting to those that really believed MF was going to go away. Lost without Jack wouldn't be Lost so I for one am happy that the writers have chosen to continue on with the story they've had mapped out all along. It would be very sad if Damon and Carlton ever started letting outsiders influence their vision, their end plan.
By the way, I love all the conversation about the chess game, it makes me wish I played chess.
Oh, after the first two crappy ones, this one was great.
does anyone know where i can convert these mobisodes onto my video ipod?
mmm if u r a mac user use isquint.
or go to vixy.com or keepvid.com
I recommend vixy