Just thought I'd let you in on some info about the upcoming episode, The Shape of Things to Come, which in the words of my source "kicks some serious ass"!
Here is some info about the episode that has not been posted.
Note: This is my sources comments. Their interpretation of a Major Character may differ from yours and mine :) (And no, I personally don't know who this character is)
The invasion of the island commences. In the first 15 minutes 3 characters are killed (minor ones). Later in the episode some one is shot in the head execution style, but it’s not who you think if you’ve seen any promos. This character is a major one.
Source: DarkUFO
Episode 4.09 - The Shape of Things to Come - It's a Bloodbath!
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WHAT?!?!?!? my guess is.....idk
Alex?
O...M...G...
"Not who you think if you've seen any promos."
Doesn't Alex have a gun to her head in the promos? So is it not her? My guess is the execution is in a flash-forward maybe? Or perhaps Frank Lapidus?
Minor characters: freighter folk.
I doubt it's Alex, because they said "It's not who you think if you've seen any promos." and Alex had a gun to her head in the promos, so it's not her. (hopefully)
Maybe Keamy? Although he wouldn't really count as a major character, would he? We know Claire, Hurley, Ben, Locke, Miles, Sawyer and Aaron survive from Team Locke.
Or could the attack be on the beach as well? (which I doubt) Or will it be Nadia in a flash forward? Man I can't wait.
well there was a rumour that alex gets shot in the head by micheal?! can we assume this is what is being referred to? wow, cool spoiler. :)
"The invasion of the island commences"! Black smoke! Yayy! Kill somebody monster! Kill! Kill! Nahahahaha! I've never had such a great feeling for smoke monster before. :D
well there was a rumour that alex gets shot in the head by micheal?! can we assume this is what is being referred to?
That's why I thought of her, even though it's "not who you think if you've seen any promos."
Jack shoots Michael in the head?
Kidding. Kinda...
Michael is still on the freighter. There's no way he can get there fast enough to shoot Alex, haha. And in any case, he wouldn't kill another innocent woman after we've seen what his guilt did to him in Meet Kevin Johnson. Team Locke is safe. No one has attacked the beach by episode 10. In light of the ABC press conference, Frank is safe at least until the finale. And TPTB wouldn't kill Des and Sayid. I think it's safe to assume that Michael is safe until the finale as well.
I'm thinking someone in a flashforward. Probably Nadia.
'Its not who you think' (ie not alex)
'this character is a MAJOR one' - the way this is said implies Alex is not a major character.
Therefore... the only thing that makes sense is that its one of the credited characters, or at the very least one of the science team. My guess is its Ben in a flashforward. I can't think who else it would be... Maybe Sayid kills him????
"Need I remind you what they did the last time you thought with your heart instead of your gun?"
btw three 'minor' characters I think, Keamy, Alex, Doug... even though I wouldn't classify Keamy and Alex as minor really.
hmm..
i was going to say that it must be nadia.. but she isn't a major character..
no clue..
Yeah, I'm betting Sayid kills Ben. It can't be Nadia, unless the press release folks forgot to list her for some reason.
I'm thinking the minor characters are background cast members, one of them being Doug and maybe Keamy.
I think it will suck if a major character dies in a FF when so much is going on on the island now.
I think it will occur in the flash forward, as well...but how about this? Ben/Sayid killing Charles Widmore.
That episode will be sweeeet.
We were already told that "we will know whether Danielle is dead or alive" by episode 4.09. I'm assuming she's alive (for many reasons) and she takes care of Keamy in dramatic fashion. I'd put money on it...
Alex is safe. She's the obvious choice from the promo.
Would the main freighter folks count as 'major characters'?
Miles?
I really don't want to see Ben die till the end of season 5 or maybe in season 6, we still don't know what happen to Annie or what happen between the time he met Richard to the point where he killed all the DHARMA folks, and why he's the only Other that gets to speak/see Jacob. My guess would be Keamy, I don't even know who this Doug guy is.
im guessing doc ray, omar and keamy maybe, although im growing fond of him
and the major im guessing its gonna be ben in a FF
I think the minor deaths are from the boat..as for the major character death I think it will happen in a flash-forward & im guessing its either Sayid or Ben.....
Neither Doug or Keamy are major characters though. Doug is a redshirt (who cares right?) and Keamy is b-list freighty.
"Major" is semantics... Keamy's a major character compared to the other freighters/snipers that'll die at the beginning of the episode (probably at the hands of the monster). It won't be Alex. It literally can't be Claire. And considering we already had the "dead in the future but not on the island" flash-forward, I don't think they'd do it again, eliminating any Ben or Sayid theories. (Even though we've been told that Jin isn't really dead, the casual viewers don't know that...)
Maybe Alex is one of the three deaths early in the episode?
The major character death could be Michael... Sayid outed him to Gault, so maybe Gault straight up executes him.
Hope not... I like Michael.
What's the meaning of "major" character? A character who appeared more than 5-10 minutes?? My "major" is not that minor :) So I'm not excited.
I can't see how Keamy could possibly be considered a major character. He fits more in the preceding category ("minor ones"). But it all depends on the source's definition i guess.
Dark, these past few days have been spoiler heaven. No end of wtf?! moments and plenty of discussion. DarkUFO is my homepage for a reason ;)
Seeing the promo the death could be Alex but I dont think she is a major character. I'm with Michael dying.
I bet it's nadia who gets shot
I agree with andy - Charles Widmore, in a flash forward, presumably killed by Ben or Sun. Remember Michael and Yunjin going to London for filming, presumably with Alan Dale?
I'd bet money Alex will not get shot, especially not execution style.
I'd guess the 3 minor characters killed are Doug and 2 other red shirts. And then later the 'major' character killed is Frank.
I think it might just be ... jin :( or Claire :( or Charlotte :D!! but i have commenced a list!
Suspected to die:
Charlotte ( everyone hates her )
jin ( never but high chance )
Richard ( he is not planed for any more episodes )
Not suspected:
rose :O
branard
sawyer
Locke
Ben :( (sorry i just don't see the point in killing him this soon and have you seen that its a ff explaining why syid works for Ben ? how could he have killed him >.<)
NEVER!:
sun
jack
kate
hurly
We're supposed to see a lot more of Widmore and Lapidus though..
We're supposed to see a lot more of Widmore though..
Yeah, but think about all of those characters we've seen more of after their deaths - and since it will very likely be a flash forward, there is no way of saying when it will happen. They could have Dale all over the finale and still have him be already dead. It seems to happen a lot this season - Naomi, Minkowski, apparently Nadia...
There were 4 "redshirts" at Locke's camp if I remember right. Three of them could be the minor characters. It makes sense to get rid of some if not all of them at the Barracks and fits with Sawyer's "Why slaughter people without even telling them why" comment.
Even though it says "some one is shot in the head execution style", it does not say they die. Is it possible that it's Claire and the bullet more or less grazes her like when Shannon shot Locke? Spoilers have said Claire was in danger and promo pictures from episode 4.10 show her with a bandage on her forehead. (Of course, that could be an injury from flying debris when her house blew up, but then again maybe not). Anyway, I consider a major character to be a series regular not a guest star. And I think the war is at the Barracks for this episode. So even though we know everyone (Sawyer, Claire, Hurley, Ben and Locke) survives the attack, it doesn't mean there might not have been an injury that appeared worse than it actually was. Head wounds bleed a lot.
Oh my god, the spoilers from the last couple of days are seriously killing me! THEY ARE ALL JUST FANTASTIC!
Thanks!
There were 4 "redshirts" at Locke's camp if I remember right. Three of them could be the minor characters. It makes sense to get rid of some if not all of them at the Barracks and fits with Sawyer's "Why slaughter people without even telling them why" comment.
Good point. A few redshirts could bite the dust before camp Locke even realise what's going on.
The person that gets shot in the head may be the person in the coffin from last season's finale.
i think it might be alex. she's not with ben/locke, not with sawyer/claire/hurley/aaron/miles. she's alive if keame couldn't do it and just took alex and the living red shirts from the barracks prisoner. it could be nadia, but is she really a major character? it might be something really crazy like desmond, killed now to come back from the dead later b/c of his unique abilities from turning the failsafe key
Maybe... the wind from Lapidus' helicopter blows all of Smokey's cover away, revealing an aging robotic skeleton... and the "brain" of the monster, which Keamy then walks up to and blows away, point blank.
Smokey = a major character we wouldn't expect to be dispatched this way !
My guess would be Nadia in FF and its major because it's the reason Sayid works for Ben.
Or Danielle shoots Keamy right before he is aout to shoot Alex.
OMG! I hope its not Jack who gets shot cuz he's supposed to be hurt in episode 4.10!
guys, who is doug?
Danielle rescuing Alex would be too awesome. I can envisage a Danielle/Ben eye-to-eye moment where Danielle seems to say 'She's my daughter so I'll save her" Cue female Rambo-ness :)
@ the lost king
He's a redshirt.
good point sockerock
T.L.A
from Lockes camp or the frieghter?
because the only redshirts names i knew from the frieghter were omar, keamy and doc ray#
do we know ANY from lockes
It could be Claire or Jin tho since they are supposed to die. I want it to be Michael tho cuz he needs to die.
Oh he's definitely a lostie. I think he's with Locke's camp but I'm not sure.
And some trivia to boot: He used to be Charlie's stunt double also :)
OH YEAH T.L.A
Youve jogged my memory now, dark posted a spoiler about a guy from star trek who was supposed to be doug, but unfortunaly turned to a foiler i think.
im guessing Doug, Doc Ray, Omar are the minors
and possibly Ben for the future
Omar for sure. I could swear I saw a tattoo that read 'disposable' on his forehead in a high def screenshot ;)
obviously "major" is pertaining to the shows story, not how much face time they get...
LOL :P:P
i hope Keamy survives the blood bath
I think at least some of the deaths will be in Ben's flashforward. Ben could be the major character, but I doubt it. Maybe Widmore ends up being the first person Sayid kills for Ben?
This has already been said but I completely agree. Ben will not die in the FF. They just pulled that with Jin. Plus, everyone loves Ben and having his death in a FF will make the FFs start to seem like a cheap ploy and will water down their quality. Major is a word that gets thrown around ALOT on lost.
Ben WILL die at some point, I tell you he is in that coffin.
blue bird special - why would Ben dying water down the quality of the Flash forwards? I don't understand that logic at all. For me quality is whether or not they are relevant. That would be.
I do see the point that 'major' could refer to a person without much screen time (i.e. Alex) but the spoiler makes it appear that he is saying MORE major than Alex... which is pretty major. I would have Alex on the 'second tier' level below credited stars.
its danielle--has to be
Do you think its a possibility that when the source says that "this character is a major one" he is talking about what he just said about it "not who you think it is if you've seen any promos", meaning Alex? And on a side note, wasn't there suppose to be a character named Bakir that is suppose to be the first person that Sayid kills for Ben? I thought I saw a character named Bakir in the ABC description of the episode. If thats the case, I think this is the person that will be shot in the head execution style, and the "major character" thing is just throwing people off. I could be totally wrong though
Just to clarify, I don't think the source is talking about the person that is going to die when they mention the major character. I think he is talking about the person that's NOT going to die. Sorry for double posting but I wasn't sure if the first part made much sense.
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hey dark we needa poll!!!!!!!!!!
Darkufo is having a Great Spoilers Festival these days. Couldn't be better. Thank you so much!
I agree that a poll would be nice :)
My bet is Richard.
OH MY GODDD. A major character shot in the head????? akljdl;kjaddd
I really have no idea who it could be.
Could this be an on island death?
It's hard to tell.
Jack, Hurley, Sawyer, Kate, Juliet, Claire, Ben, Locke, Jin, Sun and Sayid are all alive either in episode 10 or in the future.
Miles, Dan, Charlotte and Bernard are also alive in episode 10.
The only characters left are: Desmond, Michael, Alex, Charles Widmore, Doc Ray and Keamy.
It can't be Alex because the person shot is more important than Alex. It can't be Desmond either because D&C just said that they will continue to explore the Desmond-Penny storyline.
Could one of Sayid/Desmond shoot Michael? Possible, but I don't think they brought Michael back only for one episode.
So we're left with Charles Widmore, the Doc and Keamy. I love Keamy and the Doc, but come on, they're not major characters.
So I'm guessing it's Charles Widmore in a flashforward.
But if Charles Widmore is killed, how are we going to see more of him in the future (isn't that what D&C just said in their podcast or whatever that thing they did was)?
And who the hell is the Economist if not Charles Widmore?
This is too confusing...
My vote however does go to Charles Widmore.
Amber said - akljdl;kjaddd
Is that a clue to your guess?? I tried anagram but I don't know anyone with a semicolon in their name...
The smoke monster is going to rip them to peices! Those freighter folk are going to get it. I bet Keamy gets killed and I bet Ben can control the smoke monster...maybe maybe not but I think smoky could be my favorite character after this episode!
T.L.A. said...
Omar for sure. I could swear I saw a tattoo that read 'disposable' on his forehead in a high def screenshot ;)
That is too funny, ROFLMAO
I thought Keamy's tattoo said the same thing!
But my real guess for who gets shot in the head is Doc Ray. Then he gets tossed overboard and washes up on shore for Doc Jack to find.
Just to throw it out there, based on the way jack looks in the 4.10 promo pics, I'm going to say Jack. He's in a fetal position. He looks like he fell over, crumpled up. Lots of people have guns. Several of which have access to guns those have questionable (to the audience) motives - Juliet, Charlotte, Dan, Locke, Ben, Keamy, etc. Danielle, if she's alive, would be freaked out. It would not necessarily be intentional, but it's quite possible that Jack could get shot, explaining why the following episode (10) seems to turn around Jack being hurt and needing care. It's probably Nadia, if the shooting ends in a death, but if it's a non-fatal shooting, Jack's a possibility.
Insider on the show is reporting as this to be John Locke.
My money is on Keamy getting shot in the head, when I saw the promo with Keamy telling Ben he has his daughter I figured Keamy just signed his death warrant. Plus with the comment about different interpretations of a "major" character, I could see some people considering Keamy major and minor.
Rose? She doesn't seem to be listed for any future episodes that I've seen, which is unusual since she's often in the last couple of season finales. They may have forgotten to add her to this episodes list, or tried to throw people off.
it's Michael. It can also be Claire ( i can't help but remember the promo from the previous hiatus with Hurley and the fresh grave), but my guess it's Michael. His "work" is over and the Island must let him die.
How about this..
Gault executes Michael in the head, half way-ish through the episode, the big reveal at the end is, of course, Michael getting up again, because that bloody island still isn't finished with him?
PURPLETOON - thats brilliant!!!
Someone shooting Michael in the head execution style wouldn't work... I really believe this is it. It could be Gault, Sayid... really anyone... but it wouldn't work.
I really think thats it.
RE: the shooting being John Locke (alpha saying this from an insider). If so, I don't think he'd really DIE if the island didn't want him to. I'm wondering (if Locke died) if he'd be resurrected (ala possible meaningless quote from guy who plays Captain Gault: "I mean, if you watch the show, you know anything can happen -- a character even comes back to life.")
I don't think they'd shoot someone in the head and have them come back to life - too Heroesish. Also don't think it's Michael... he obviously has a bigger role to play or they wouldn't have gone through the trouble of renegotiating his contact.
Most likely - Alex or Claire. Don't think they will shoot claire in the head. Alex is a hostage, and despite what people are saying IS a major character. She's not a lead role, but that's not what the spoiler says. There are many ways of defining major, and I think this one is listed as at least a guest star.
It is going to be Sawyer who gets executed. That would shock everyone wouldn't it? No one would be expecting that. TMZ had Josh Holloway on tape at the LAX airport. There was some speculation that he is "off the island."
Remember, Dark said their interpretation of major character might be different from his and ours so I'm going to weed out Sayid and Ben, etc. and go with Nadia.
jacks the man said...
It is going to be Sawyer who gets executed. That would shock everyone wouldn't it? No one would be expecting that. TMZ had Josh Holloway on tape at the LAX airport. There was some speculation that he is "off the island."
TPTB aren't that stupid. They don't want to alienate half their audience by quickly killing off such a popular character. Besides that, to have Sawyer killed execution style would be too similar to what Picket tried to do last season. And you can bet that if/when TPTB ever decide to kill off Sawyer, they will milk it up as much as possible to boost the ratings before hand. Personally, I think he safe for at least another season.
A "major" one: he/she is shot, but maybe not to death. Then it might be almost anyone.
MAybe Claire? I do not think she dies, but maybe that's how she is separated from Aaron?
if he/she dies:
1)Daniel?
2)Keamy?
This is kind of out there, but what if Locke gets shot in the head, and Smokie heals him? Yeah I know we haven't seen him being able to heal, but they said a new dimension to the monster would be revealed in 4.09. So maybe Smokie can heal people somehow?
two ideas:
I think lovely Alex will not be with us for the entire season. There is probably a reason for ben to leave to island and take revenge with the help of Sayid. The reason could be Alex.
How many redshirts went with Locke back in 4.01? I have the feeling that none of them will survive the next episode. Hope not Frogurt, Steve (or was it...) or one of our other faves.
hogweed
I hope Scott is ok.
Why do people say Major character, if they are really talking about someone that hasn't been on the show for a few seasons?
If I would guess, it would be Nadia.
I don't want her to die, but she isn't a major character, either.
What about Widmore killing Sayid in a FF? And he is also the one in the casket.
And Jack and Kate are reacting the way they did in season 3 finale, because they know he had worked for Ben. They just don't know exactly why because I still expect Sayid to be one of the good guys in the end.
Major character death:
Bernard or Charlotte
Also Miles {but after he visits Jacob & hears the Whispers} & Nadia or Charles Widmore.
3 Minor character:
Keamy, Omar, & a redshirt.
The death can't be Claire because we know she's in episode 10.
Maybe it's The French chick. Perhaps she's not dead from the initial gunshot so they walk up and finish her off and then take Alex.
Well, I'm guessing it is Nadia. Sayid has to watch as his love Nadia is killed in front of him in a FF. I thought it would be Sayid killing this Bakir character, but Bakir is not a major character...Nadia is.
Saydi is supposedly a pallbearer at her funeral.
WHY DO THEY KILL EVERYBODY OFF?!?!
I would say "Ben" is going to be executed. He'll trade his life for Alex's, of course it will be Smokey and Keamy will then get obliterated. Ben will be able to control Ol' Smokey.
However the Freighters are there to take Ben alive right? So that wouldn't make sense.
I think Ol' Smokey will pull a switcheroo somewhere along the line. We'll think somebody was killed initially, however it will be outed later.
The episode 10 pictures prove over half of these theories wrong.
Keamy shoots claire in the head.. imagine the shock factor
So much for the it's-not-the-person-in-the-promos part. Good-bye, Alex.
^^ Yeah, really. What a liar this person is.
This spoiler was complete bullcrap. Who the eff would see the promo and not think it was Alex. Although I have to say I was shocked by her death when it happened because I had assumed it was her, but this site made me think it was going to be someone else. I'm not going to lie, I cried for the first ever when watching a tv show. And I am a 30 year old guy that doesn't cry easily. RIP Alex (and FU Keamy)
I agree - this spoiler is crap, but thanks to whoever wrote it, I got one of the most shocking moments of TV ever. It was like "Well I KNOW he's not going to shoo-.......well damn..."
Seriously, thanks, keep 'em coming ;)