In a recent article Yunjin Kim responded to a question with the following answer. Is this the first time that we've had confirmation that Paik and Hanso were connected?
1) What do you find the most challenging aspect of performing the flash-forward scenes?
The most challenging aspect is not knowing the whole storyline. I'm left to fill in a lot of blanks. For example, what happened to Sun when she finally returned to Korea? We know she delivered her baby, Ji Yeon, but how did she find out her father, Mr. Paik, is seemingly connected to the Hanso Foundation?
And there so many more ... I'm left guessing a lot of these things on my own and hope for the best.
2) Can you offer some teasers/hints about the Oceanic 6's great escape?
Without giving too much away ... I have to say the Oceanic 6's great escape feels like it was inevitable. A lot of events occurred, some heroic sacrifices, fortunate accidents, fate, but most importantly, love saved them.
3) If you could ask the writers for one thing in Season 5 for your character, what would it be?
For Sun to turn into an assassin and join Sayid for revenge. ;)
Source: LA Times
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57 Comments:
"Some Heroic sacrifices..."........great...it was nice knowing you Sawyer....
"love saved them"
hmm..
There was another interview a while back where Yunjin Kim said that in a previous flashback Mr. Paik and associates were speaking in Korean about Hanso, but it was left untranslated so most people never knew about it.
"Love saved them"?
Go Penny, go! lol
So "love and sacrifices" save the Oceanic 6 that is
interestingly!.
I guess it slipped accidentally...because we don't know yet about Hanso and Paik. Or did we?
And love saved them...I guess that means Sawyer will really jump out and save them because he wants to save Kate because he loves her so much...interesting.
@Lucylein
Right! Sawyer will get them (Kate) off the island and maybe Jin will get them (Sun and Ji Yeon) off the freighter before it explodes. Love saves them;)
3) If you could ask the writers for one thing in Season 5 for your character, what would it be?
For Sun to turn into an assassin and join Sayid for revenge.
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hehehehehehe. That sounds like creepy "i want to break all your fingers" Jin talking!
Yeah, it was love that saved them:
Jack: The love he felt for being the hero.
Kate: The love for Jack.
Aaron: Charlie's love for Aaron made this rescue occur at all. Maybe it was Sawyer stepping onto the plane, not Claire? From a distance, the long, blond, flowing locks may have resembled Claire? :-p
Sun: Her love for Jin meant she stayed for the rescue instead of going back to Locke.
Hurley: His love for his family and friends means he was sitting right there in the helicopter.
Sayid: His love of Nadia and his want of leaving behind more bad memories so he can be a loving husband meant that he was also on the plane.
I think that's all she meant. She's had a lot of time to ponder the scripts and to work some sense of extra meaning into them, even in her own head.
By that, I mean expect some things the actors assume not to be true in the eyes of the writers.
I think she is refering for what Sawyer will do. He will be one of the bigg reasons because why they will be save. He will sacrifice his spot so they can go home. And he will do that out of love for his friends and his Freckles.
the last comment she made about becoming an assassin makes it seem like maybe jin really does bite the dust in the last parts of the finale. why else would she be so motivated by revenge? up untill that I had kinda been thinking/hoping that jin would actually survive but now it seems more doubtful.
It's entirely possible that Sun simply thinks that Jin is dead, when he's really alive on the island. We'll have to see the finale and the circumstances surrounding his apparent death before any conclusions can be made. The producers have said that after the finale, some survivors' fates will be clear, while others' will be unclear. This very well may have been referring to both Jin and Claire, but that's just speculation. I personally think Jin is alive on the island.
The Hanso and Paik connection was made prior to season 2 with the introduction of The Lost Experience and the semi-canonical novel Bad Twin. It's not common knowledge however, which is why I'm surprised she mentioned it in an interview.
I think Jin will be fine. Like Ben said, Sun will think he's death, that will be her drive for vengeance but he'll be ok... just like when he jumped into the water the last time, he was nowhere to be seen but later we found out he was ok... tied ;), but ok.
BTW, I hope Darlton listen to her wishes... will be cool to see a merciless Sun >D
Andrew, it wasn't Jack's love for being the hero at all. It was his love for everyone on that plane; the loyalty he felt for them, and his desire to see them all rescued. Not because he wanted to be the hero, but because he felt that is exactly what he -needed- to do.
He's the one guy out of them all who has done the most for everyone. To push that aside as a desire to be the hero is to totally misunderstand Jack's character.
"but how did she find out her father, Mr. Paik, is seemingly connected to the Hanso Foundation?"
oopsy.. i bet she wasnt supposed to say that...
Yeah i agree. Jin lives..its an obvious Jin is alive setup.. predictable show.. i knew mike was Bens man on the boat.. duh.. who didnt???
Jacks a flawed hero.... his bloodlust for leaving the island.. is why Sun blames him.. Jack is the second person she blames.. for not turning the chopper around...
I think there was a sideways reference made to the Paik/Hanso connection in "The Glass Ballerina" (S3, episode 2). During one of Sun's flashbacks, she barges into her dad's office and he's talking about Hanso in Korean. However, it wasn't in the subtitles. I vaguely remember people translating it and putting the actual dialog about Hanso out on the internet (maybe check lostpedia?). But I don't know if that was for real because I don't speak Korean.
In any case, it's not like it was an official reference. But in "No Place Like Home", I definitely got the impression that Sun believed her father was connected to the island--other than just being the one responsible for putting her and her husband onto flight 815. It's interesting to have acknowledgment from Yunjin Kim on that one.
Yet, that makes me wonder how much of what the actors say in interviews is just speculation on their part. It'd be interesting to read through interviews from past seasons to see how much of what they hinted at actually happened.
IMO, this is just confirmation of another aspect of the orientation section of the Sri Lanka footage in TLE that could be considered cannon - in it, DHARMA's funding and supply chain was a three-legged stool comprised of the Hanso Foundation, the Widmore Corporation, and Paik Heavy Industries. I'm pretty well convinced that that orientation film *is* canon, but I'm also squarely in the camp that most of the rest of TLE isn't (esp. all the stuff about Mittelwerk) - TLE was super-flawed in terms of relating back to the show because of that whole bit with Lost being a TV show in the game universe. I wonder if any aspects of the story have had their delivery delayed in order to provide substantial distance from stupid conflicts like that? :)
Yeah i agree. Jin lives..its an obvious Jin is alive setup.. predictable show.. i knew mike was Bens man on the boat.. duh.. who didnt???
lol... predictable? is that what you thought when you saw kate step out of that car last year, or when you saw that it was ben working on sayid's bullet wound? the part about Michael being on the boat was certainly predictable, but I'd hardly say that about the entire show :)
"love saved them"
I like that. It sounds like there is a lot of love and friendship in this episode.
You know, I've tried to be good and ignore comments like Sawyer jumping out of the helicopter is no big sacrifice because he wanted to stay on the island and not saying anything about he who should not be spoken of in unflattering terms. But, come on. So no matter what Jack does, the fact that he's a flawed hero makes it okay.
Mr. Flawed Hero apparently can't take the hero spotlight off himself long enough to share it with anyone else. He was contemptuous when he told Kate that Sawyer chose to stay on the island, while he came back. He made it sound like Sawyer did something cowardly. And I can just imagine what he'll say about Jin, if his words about Sawyer are anything to go by. "Don't blame me, Sun. Jin chose to stay on the freighter and to be blown to bits. Just remember, I saved you!"
"Some heroic sacrifices" (Sawyer), "fortunate accidents"(people on the freighter?), "fate, but most importantly, love saved them" (Penny???)
oh yeah right!, A big heart flied over the island and took jack, hurley, sun, sayid, kate and aaron.
@Love-Over:
...you DO realise how stupid you look, right?
--- Sir Awesome said ---
Andrew, it wasn't Jack's love for being the hero at all. It was his love for everyone on that plane; the loyalty he felt for them, and his desire to see them all rescued. Not because he wanted to be the hero, but because he felt that is exactly what he -needed- to do.
He's the one guy out of them all who has done the most for everyone. To push that aside as a desire to be the hero is to totally misunderstand Jack's character.
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That's true. But I didn't misunderstand his character. I just tried to condense what I meant into a single line.
I didn't mean he felt a selfish love of being the hero and so acted as the hero.
I meant that he loved everyone - in their own way, even Sawyer - on the island. He put his mind and body on the line to rescue them time and time again - from the Others, from the island, etc.
Even those who he came up against, he couldn't help but empathise with on some level, even if he pushed for the good of the majority against them - Locke, Ben, etc. He clearly doesn't feel quite right berating Locke for the submarine or even trying to beat up Ben for supposedly condoning the killings of Sayid, Jin and Bernard. But he kept pressing on for the majority.
That was him being a hero. Love led to it, but Jack is a hero and he loves the things that come with it: returned love and continued trust. He wasn't so hot on the fame, but what Jack loved led to him being a hero and on the helicopter. That's what I meant anyway, just summed up badly.
Oh, and though it's not entirely relevant...
Jack is now one of my favourite characters.
I always thought of Jack as the typical leading man and of Matthew Fox as a little wooden.
But...
Last year's finale and this season has turned it around for me in a big way. Jack has got a whole lot more complicated, more interesting and Matthew Fox himself has paid more dues than in the past few seasons and justifies his leading placement in the cast. But that's just my opinion.
@andrew sparkes
I was joking man, don't need to freak out
=) lol
@andrew sparkes....
thanks to jack many people is death!!!
thanks jack... thanks for loving so much kate and his friends, you killed them... thanks to love, cause Jack never realized how wrong he was, until 2/3 years from now... 2/3 YEARS TO SAY: "WE MADE A MISTAKE"??
Thanks for extracting this but from the LA Times thing, Dark. Was I the one who caught it? (that would be my first Lost scoop coup...)
I meant "this bit." My lord, my typing blows lately.
Hey sockerock you do remember Sawyer came up with the idea to kidnap Sun right? Remember when he stole all the guns. Remember when he left Michael behind? Remember when he left jack behind? Remember "every man for himself"?
YES!
For years I have been saying that it is the nightmarish alliance between Hanso-Paik-Widmore that would prove to be the main villains of the show.
Thank you, Yunjin Kim, for making me a very happy individual.
just go back to the Lost Experience, I know it isn't canon but seems to be.
lol... predictable? is that what you thought when you saw kate step out of that car last year, or when you saw that it was ben working on sayid's bullet wound? the part about Michael being on the boat was certainly predictable, but I'd hardly say that about the entire show :)
i was surprised.. on the edge of my seat... but some setups are obvious... I had a feeling whoever was pulling up.. was someone he cared about... I didnt guess Kate.. but it wouldnt be a 100-1 longshot of a guess if someone did guess her tho...
I had a feeling Sayid was working for Alpert actually... My next guess would of been ol Benjamin...
thats what i meant by predictable...the crazy curves they throw us are easy to guess this year.. more so then in past years...
I'm not saying i dont like it.. im a Lost FREAK!!! I just love guessing.. and being right or very close to right alot...
Time travel was another example.. very easily guessed early on..
Yunjin was born to play an assassin....in Swiri (one of her korean movies) she played an assassin, it was awesome.....and then in Diary Of June she played a murderer, so she definitely has it in her :)
I wonder if she just gave away something that'll be made clear Thursday night.
"That was him being a hero. Love led to it, but Jack is a hero and he loves the things that come with it: returned love and continued trust. He wasn't so hot on the fame, but what Jack loved led to him being a hero and on the helicopter."
Jack beeing a hero on the helicopter?. Like when?. If he is the so called hero why then he is not the one who sacrifice his spot on the helicopter,so his friends and his bigg love Kate to be safe?. If Jack is the reason they go off island "saved" why Sun almost can't stand Jack in the future?.
i like how she said she wants to be with sayid as an assasin.
i'm thinking the 2 people she holds responsible for jins death is her father and ben linus.
the way ben manipulated sayid to become a hitman saying widmore is the reason your wife is dead
widmore can manipulate sun saying that ben is the reason your husbands dead.i never trusted sun, maybe she merged her share with widmore to make a fortune, we already saw one of widmores lady friends get killed so sun could be a boss too.
For those that are wondering about HOW Yunjin is saying that Hanso and Paik are connected, well as mentioned above there is a scene in a previous Sun/Jin episode when she meets here father during one of his meetings.
Several of his employees are speaking in Korean and when it is translated there is a little reference to a connection to Hanso. Also, I believe it was a connection to the TLE as well.
The Lost Experience is actually entirely canonical. The producers said in a podcast that it would've been pointless for them to put so much effort into something related to the show and then declare it non-canon.
Some Sun Kung Fu ,along side Sayid would be GREAT!!!
I know she was joking, but really, I wanna see it too!
WTF???
We knew Hanso and Paik were connected in a Sun/Jin flashback, just as the scene is starting Paik is talking to his men about business with the Hanso Foundation.
I cannot believe you didn't pick this up, Dark.
@tom--It was not clear that they were speaking about the Hanso foundation. That's speculation--obvious speculation, maybe, but this is the first on-show confirmation there has been.
And no, The Lost Experience is NOT canonical. Damon and Carlton have said as much outright.
ruinery, what does one thing have to do with the other? The character has changed from the person he first was when he came to the island.
I'm not going to label Sawyer as a flawed hero and whitewash or give him a free pass on whatever he does so I can still retain the fantasy he's a hero even if his actions aren't heroic.
Everything you said proved how much Sawyer has grown, evolved and changed.
ruinery, what does one thing have to do with the other? The character has changed from the person he first was when he came to the island.
I'm not going to label Sawyer as a flawed hero and whitewash or give him a free pass on whatever he does so I can still retain the fantasy he's a hero even if his actions aren't heroic.
Everything you said proved how much Sawyer has grown, evolved and changed.
3) If you could ask the writers for one thing in Season 5 for your character, what would it be?
For Sun to turn into an assassin and join Sayid for revenge. ;)
Hah, I would love to see that too!! ;)
Good find Darkufo. :D.
not to mention the whole tle thing with paik and hanso
@surly: The Lost Experience is canonical, and I have proof from Gregg Nations:
anijen21 - "Are the events and information that unfold during the Lost Experience going to be considered canon for the show as well?"
Gregg Nations - "Oh, yes. Damon and Calton wouldn't be putting the info out there otherwise. They've been working on this since January, and it's a nice way to get out some mythology information that may not have worked its way out through characters' stories.
There's a lot more coming your way, so I hope you enjoy."
Here's a link in case that's not enough:
http://www.thefuselage.com/Threaded/showthread.php?t=47155
Also, here's an interview where both Damon Lindelof AND Carlton Cuse confirm that The Lost Experience is canonical:
"BuddyTV: One thing that’s a bit of controversy in the fan community is whether or not any of the information from The Lost Experience game is actually a factor in the universe of the show. Is that something you could clear up for us?
Carlton Cuse: I think that for us, yeah, I mean, all of Alvar Hanso and his relationship with funding the Dharma Initiative is part of the mythology. The details of the Hanso Foundation’s demise…it’s tangential to the show but it’s not unrelated to the show. We sort of felt like the Internet Experience was a way for us to get out mythologies that we would never get to I wain the show. I mean, because this is mythology that doesn’t have an effect on the character’s lives or existence on the island. We created it for purposes of understanding the world of the show but it was something that was always going to be sort of below the water, sort of the iceberg metaphor, and the Internet Experience sort of gave us a chance to reveal it.
Damon Lindelof: I would say in terms of all the… background that we did, in terms of the Valenzetti equation and explaining the formation of the Hanso Foundation and doing the other films…we’d consider that stuff cannon to the show. Where there’d have to be wiggle room is the Rachel Blake story where she’s in the real world, in the outside world as we define it, the show Lost might be defined in an entirely different outside world so we can’t vouch for the overall fit ability and veracity of everything that Rachel was doing. But we can say that all the factoids that she was uncovering were vetted, in fact many of them were written by us personally so they are cannon."
Here's the link for that interview as well:
http://www.buddytv.com/articles/lost/buddytv-interviews-losts-damon-4766.aspx
And as one final thought, and this is just an invitation for you, and I'm not trying to be a jerk or anything, but in the future it'd be more beneficial to yourself and others to research something like this before making false claims. It's not that big of a deal, really, but when you make such declarations it can lead some people to believe the falsified information you provide.
Just my two cents.
ben said: "The Lost Experience is actually entirely canonical."
surly said: "And no, The Lost Experience is NOT canonical. Damon and Carlton have said as much outright."
BuddyTV's interview with Damon and Carlton: One thing that's a bit of controversy in the fan community is whether or not any of the information from The Lost Experience game is actually a factor in the universe of the show. Is that something you could clear up for us?
..."But we can say that all the factoids that she [Rachel] was uncovering were vetted, in fact many of them were written by us personally so they are cannon."
Fuselage question: "Are the events and information that unfold during the Lost Experience going to be considered canon for the show as well?"
Gregg Nations (script coordinator/writer): "Oh, yes. Damon and Calton wouldn't be putting the info out there otherwise. They've been working on this since January, and it's a nice way to get out some mythology information that may not have worked its way out through characters' stories."
Thanks for taking the time to summarize all of that, Maureen. Very kind of you. :)
Canon, schmanon... if it ain't IN the ACTUAL TV show, most viewers are totally unaware of it. And 20 years from now, watching it in reruns or on DVD, only what is ON THE SHOW will be canon. The other Lost-related stuff adds to our enjoyment of the show, but it can't be considered a substitute for an actual episode.
So yeah... I am surprised she mentioned the Hanso Foundation. Although there have been references to Alvar (?) Hanso on the show -- Widmore buys the Black Rock journal at the auction -- but as far as I know The Hanso Foundation has never been mentioned, and certainly has not been revealed as a major player yet.
I apologize for not reading through all of the comments in case this has been mentioned....but I thought the connection between the two companies was made early on? Season 2 or so.
Viewers' awareness of canonical information doesn't dictate whether or not it's considered canon. It'd be ignorant to say that the Lost Experience isn't canon when the producers of both the show and the Lost Experience stated otherwise.
And I agree that there are plenty of people who aren't aware of the Lost Experience, but that's not what we were discussing. We were talking solely of the canonical status of the Lost Experience.
You're right about Hanso, too. Tovard Hanso was mentioned at the Black Rock shipping ledger auction, but as you said, the Hanso Foundation hasn't been directly mentioned in the show, and probably never will be. The producers said that's exactly what the Lost Experience was for - putting out information related to the mythology that they felt they'd never get a chance to present on the actual TV show.
No hard feelings I hope.