As you all know a lot of details about the season Finale were revealed yesterday by AICN based on details from their insider, LOSTFAN108 . LOSTFAN108 emailed me with this info which I believe was also pasted into the comments over at AICN.
I'm reposting this here as people are copying the bulk of the contents in the various comment threads here so I thought it would make more sense to discuss it here in a new post.
A lot of the stuff mentioned here matches what I and the other major spoiler sites already knew but could not publish for fear of revealing our sources, but know it's out in the open we're posting it.
DISCLAIMER: I cannot verify 100% that this is all true so please don't shoot me if this turns out to be a massive Foiler. If it is then kudos to TPTB who have setup a complex number of sources and disinformation to fool us.
UPDATE: 15th May 10:50 GMT - I've been bombed with emails so I will try to make some things clear. Obviously this is just a very small portion of the Finale, the source obviously wanted to get to the "good bits". I've emailed them back asking for more details to some key questions but they are in the USA and I'm in England and they are probably now sleeping, unaware of the chaos :) I will try to keep this updated as I get new info.
The Reason I've decided to post this before I get accused of ruining Lost is that these spoilers were being plastered all over my comments section, as well as on AICN and other sites. I've created this to try an control as much as possible people being spoiled without realising it. People can still link to the info and have a chance via the warnings to turn back before ruining the finale and if anyone copies the text into other parts of this site the comments will be deleted and they will be banned.
I hope this makes some sort of sense and you have to realise I'm somewhat stuck in the middle of all of this!
These are confusing and crazy times which my good friend DocArzt over at The Tailsection warned me about.
UPDATE: 18th May 17:45 GMT - As far as I'm concerned these are true but as I've stated several times are just some of the details from the finale. Remember the finale is 2 hours long and LOSTFAN108 has left a lot out. This, remember, is not like Insiderscoops Synopsis, it's just a couple of key moments from the finale
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«Oldest ‹Older 1 – 200 of 617 Newer› Newest»Can you at least tell us what info here that you can confirm is true? Reads like a really bad foiler to me...
Now thats service!!! hahaha, thanks Dark ;)
good lord...amazing.
completely unexpected.
i really wish michael would have come back in the finale, but this is totally nuts!...in a great way
whose funeral do you guys think it is?
I hope they don't "shake things up" this much. It introduces some interesting theories, but i really think "gamechangers" can prove to be simply frustrating, especially if they revolve around Jack & Kate, arguably some of the more devisive characters, being centrifugal to all the future events.
So what is this then, one possible timeline or a fixed point of reference?
OMFG... I wish I hadn't read that.. But if I watched it without spoiling it for myself I'd probably burst.
9 MONTHS?!?!? Scandalous.
Oh and how would Penny say she doesn't know naomi unless someone brings it up? Did charlie ask her about naomi? This doesn't seem clear.
Holy crap! I can't believe I just read that! It gave me goosebumps! This is simply amazing..now this is a game changer..now they are in real life and the flasbacks is now the island...frick now I want to know who got rescued!
It's got to be a foiler. To have the episode end in a way that you don't know how it got there is a good way to lose even the most faithful viewers for good. It makes no sense at all. If true then the show will have truly jumped a whole school of sharks.
I had a feeling Jack would be trying to talk to Kate.
buggyakaevan, I think it is his ex wifes funeral because of the other spoiler saying that Julie Bowen contributes much to Jack's darkness and she plays Sarah Shepherd. Much like Charlie, her death course corrected itself and she finally died. Funny thing is that Jack saved Charlie the first time around before his course started chasing him.
all speculation, but from what i gather, and if this is real, thats who i'd expect.
mac_ad
your totally right, at least it makes the most sense, thanks adam!
i'm still bummed that it seems as if Michael isn't appearing in the finale, but I'm pretty sure his CBC pilot did NOT get picked up for the upcoming fall schedule, so maybe that means for a more interesting storyline with the return of michael.
*CBS
where is penny ? darlton said she is on the finale season 'cause she is very important ! if it's true, i'll not come back after 9 months ! lost will be over for me ! stupid idea !
The original post has been deleted at AICN. In other words, this is more than likely correct.
It sounds very game-changing, jump-the-sharkish, and plausible all at the same time. I could see how some people could be pissed, but also how it could breathe new direction into the show's structure.
I mean, we know Jack's past, and I think it's been told thoroughly through Jackback's, but the idea of a Jackfoward (or Kate-forward) could be refreshing.
agree totally.
Fuck I love it! Maybe its a folier but who cares! It actually made an intresting read and Im short of good books :)
Anyways this makes more sense to me than Jack killing his dad or Kate being all maternal with a child or her being Anne!
Lost writers are imaginative as hell and this one would totally rock! After Lost goes off the air for 8 montsh, I would nned therapy!
Also Evi did say she got goosebumps while reading the script and this is goosebump stuff!
I actually dont like the idea of the flash forward. I feel like we've been cheated from the three years we spent watching the show, so far.
Im glad Walts back, this means his "facebook" entry was a REAL SPOILER :o
I think he said "Malcolm is in Hawaii..shhhhh", this sort of confirm that lol
Lyly, Penny is in this, but it seems like it is only revealed to Charlie the significance of it before he seemingly dies.
Buggy, I want to see what happened to Michael too! and if Walt is actually on the island, or if it was the same thing that Shannon saw of him? like a forced apparition that I guess can physically encounter you. Did Jacob have anything to do with bringing Walt to Locke.. ?
Yep, it all lines up.
She all jokingly mentioned she'd quit before the end of the series...Meaning she's not dying in the finale.
Add that to this spoiler completely lining up with the "official" AICN cryptic hints...
The show is getting turned on it's head...
and look, someone's already pissed. Whaddi' tell ya? :P
oh man, i seriously wish I didn't spoil myself by reading this...Arghghgh
WTF!!!!! .....please dont let it start out like the Nine next year.....hopefully its cool.
Ok... Now that I come to think of it, there's some inconsistencies on this spoiler.
1. How does this makes us realize that "the house we're in has actually more doors than it seemed"?
2. Lindelof and Cuse said on a radio interview (post somewhere here on DarkUFO) that the guys from the Antartic station would be addressed before the end of this season. I don't any references to them on this...
Don't get me wrong, even if it is a foiler, I'd say to the Lost folks, "hire the guy who came up with this NOW"! I really like the idea of the game changer being a flash forward.
However, these two key points, that the producers themselves said would be addressed, just weren't touched along this spoiler.
Maybe it's in fact a foiler, or maybe there's just something more lostfan108 ain't telling us...
The post that revealed this information on AICN was just removed. In other words, it was legit. LOL @ the finale being spoiled two weeks before it airs. Damon and Cuse must be pissed.
I can't believe this is true. There's just too much that makes no sense at all. Why would Locke be trying to kill himself? And in all the other flashbacks (excepting Desmond) it's been something the character remembers. Are they saying Jack will remember the future? Or that all the sudden it IS the future?
Then we would have to wait till they come back to the island (how would they find it again?) to find out all the other mysteries? The rest of the Dharma stuff (what relevance would it have then?); the rest of the purge info (that D&C said would be coming up); Rousseau (D&C said she would have flashbacks next season); what about whatever it is that is supposed to make us wish Ben had been "badder"; the other Others; Adam and Eve; what about Dominic saying his character wouldn't be in this episode; and where the heck would Jacob fit into all this if they are in the future all of a sudden?
I can't imagine how they could possibly present this in a way that would make any sense at all. To me, it sounds more like something a Jater would dream up to turn Lost into The Jack and Kate Show. I just can't buy it. If it turns out to be true, then they've not only jumped the shark, they went over a whole pod of whales too!
Adam, more than likely Walt appears as he did to Shannon if he's just gonna vanish again without any explanation about how he's "actually there" helping Locke, but at least it will be a little refreshing to see his character however brief it will be. I know there aren't that many people who like the Michael/Walt storylines after the end of season 2 but their story is the one thing that bugs me/keeps me wondering about the show. I mean I've watched it from day 1 just like I'm sure alot of ppl on here have and it's about time for some answers. :)
1. With the idea that flashbacks can not only occur from on-island to past but from future to on-island, that opens many doors imho. It's like a whole 'nother layer.
2. I think either Penny's transmission comes from there, or when Jack calls out those are the people he reaches.
Totally possible this could be a foiler, but if so it is darn creative!
Brilliant! Absolutly Brilliant!! If this is true which I think it is, then credit to Carlton & Damon as they wrote the finale!
IMHO I think this sort of change was badly needed, although I've always loved the format Lost episodes take it needed spicing up a bit. Now we know where the losties (or Jack & Kate) get to. Now we just need to see how they got there. Almost like Star Wars. Show the end then show us how everything ended up like this. Love it!!
PS- I'm so sick of (so called) Lost fans saying if they do this or that then I'm not watching Lost ever again!
"I feel cheated!"
&
"They should do this"
Blah Blah Blah...
Bull*h!t !!
Your only cheating yourself out of 3 years of viewing if you stop watching!!
For all the critics out there how about you write a television show from your imagination and make it run solid for 3 years with as high ratings as Lost!!
@the_nightlighter:
I'm neither a Jater or a Skater - in fact, I'm more a "Kate-hater", and if this turns out to be true, I'd be a little disappointed that she doesn't bite the dust on the finale.
However, I liked the idea of this possible finale. And I don't think neither does Jack remember the future nor we're suddenly there. I think that's precisely the "game-changer": it's in the way they tell the story, not really in the way it happens. They're saying, "Hey, kids, pay attention, not everything is like it looked before now. We now can tell you not only about how these characters were before they've gotten to the island, but also about how they'll be when they leave it".
And, curious, on an EW interview, Damon/Cuse, when asked about whether the flashbacks would continue on next season, since almost every main character's archs are now complete, they just answered "let's have this conversation after the finale". Makes sense.
@Matt:
I thought the idea of more rooms would be more literal... Like we suddenly realizing the island has secret places never thought of before. But what you said makes sense.
However, I think there's gotta be more to the Antartic guys than just placing a transmission from Penny and/or the "rescue" ship there...
I posted this below but wanted to bring this up under this thread as well:
I have some issues with this new "spoiler." First of all, isn't Kate still wanted on the outside world? True they may think she is dead, but it would be very difficult for me to believe that she gets a phone or can be contacted easily by someone else. Second of all, unless all of them leave the island it doesn't really make sense. Kate especially doesn't seem like the type that would leave people on the island and especially wouldn't refuse to help Jack unless something happens between them. This would seem to imply that Jack and Kate kept the island a secret. If they made it out alive why would they not seek help other than the two of them? Why would it take that long for them to realize they have to go back or is there another reason they have to go back? Save the world maybe? I don't know, I was really hoping for a point in the show where people would be off the island, but would the show now be about trying to get back to the island or how they got off the island? This doesn't really make sense in the we will know why there are only 48 episodes left.
Some other random questions:
Wouldn't Mikhail want to have communication with the outside world again? Also, we have been told that Naomi is going to be a major character in season 4 so what she isn't anymore? There are a few mentions of Ben talking to Jack about Naomi, why would Ben be talking to Jack or any of them if they are in a "war?" How would Charlie see a transmission of something Penny is saying and who would be asking her about Naomi, that doesn't really make sense.
This spoiler seems legit but count me on the skeptical side, although I think the flashforward of them off the island could happen, just the events leading up to it would have to be different in my opinion.
I don't know if this is a foiler, but YAY! Charlie lives! Jack and Kate! Awesome!
If this spoiler is correct how do we know that it's a flashforward? Maybe the big game changing event is that it's a flashback and Kate and Jack met before coming to the island and in fact their being there now is all a part of some elaborate plan.
@E-Bizzle:
I'm kind of with you. I think the spoiler indeed seems legit, yet there are some very important pieces missing.
But then again, summarizing a 2-hour episode in a a little more than a dozen paragraphs implies a lot has been left out...
I really kinda hope this is a foiler. I don't want to know that Jack and Kate get off the island. The Greatest Hits episode seems possible, but Hurley running a guy over with the van??? gimme a break.
to i'm not a liar:
Um, I am not sure if you read the whole thing but according to this Charlie does die from a grenade let off by Mikhail.
I'm not a liar- ummm Charlie lives... yeah, maybe you havent gotten to the part where he floats up in an underwater station and gets blown to hell by a grenade ;) yeah.. great huh hahaha
and buggyakaevan, again i agree!!! I love the Michael/Walt storyline!!! A man who would do anything for his boy, and a boy with remarkable powers, but nobody understands him. This story is dying to be cleared up, even if for but a brief second. And I thought when Walt and Mike were leaving that perhaps Mike was leaving with an apparition of Walt.. not the real boy, but once he got out far enough in that heading, he couldnt swing around and come back, and by then Walt had disappeared. Leaving Michael for dead, and Walt back on the island somewhere with the other children..? could happen :D Either way, we must be the only 2 glad to see Walt back lol.
Kate may just be on the run even in the outside world hence Jack trying to get in touch with her. I dont know how they made it out but since Island Kate and Jack are not the kind to abandon thr ppl,maybe they were thrown off the island by Ben and his cronies or they just thought we will get off and get help and then they cudnt!
Makes sense why Jack is a wreck since he always has a tendency to blame himself for everything. I dont think Jack and Kate just went off the island happily.
Anyways Im glad that Kate is not dead! Also maybe its just a folier but what a foiler! They shud hire the guy who made this stuff up!
I guess we will know after tomorrows ep if these are true spoilers or foilers.
I think it could be all about time and space travelling. I'm just thinking about SK'Dark Tower again and I'm really convinced it could lead us to the answer.. they're time travellers, that's why Jack's flashback it's a flash-forward.. probably, they've already lived those moments (jack and kate off the island), as Desmond have.. it fits.. :)
But I thought DarkUFO said there were to be 2 more female deaths. Did I miscount? I only saw Naomi. And wouldn't Mik. dying be another male? Also, weren't we told that the death would be a HUGE SHOCKER? Charlie being the only season 1 death doesn't equal a huge shocker to me. I'm not sure I'm buying this.
It's definately a game changer and raises a hell of a lot of questions but it doesnt seem quite right for me.
It takes LOST off the island in a monumentally cheap fashion and will confuse viewers next season as to whether the flashes are happening in the past or in the future. Also, Mikhail wasnt listed as a death and this LOSTFAN108 says he dies.And i thought Charlie played a v. important role in the finale without being there - this guy says he is there and gets killed there.
If true, its a bloody bold move by the writers, but i believe it to be false
Ps. I like the idea of Charlies flashbacks being his greatest hits!
Yeah guys, i just read the greatest hits part, sorry! So sad if Charlie dies :(
Well, reading the whole thing, i think it's a foiler! Sounded like the EXACTLY same thing that happened on ALIAS, season 3! Sydney in the future, blah blah.
And, if i'm correct, i read an interview with Damon or Carlton, they say this future thing was a huge mistake on Alias! Why would they "do it again"?
FOILER!
Sounds absolutely awful. However, it's hilarious that Jack turns into a loser, who is STILL yelling at Kate. And then Kate totally blows him off! Go Kate! Hilarious.
But really, this better not be it. Awful. Awful. Awful.
its a foiler... why?
It does not mention Juliet
It does not match with JJ Abrams and Cuses spoilers etc
I may be proven wrong next Wednesday, but I'm just not buying this supposed spoiler. As several posters have already pointed out, quite a few things just don't make much sense. But the biggest thing that makes me think this isn't for real is mention of a hatch called THE LOOKING GLASS. In a show filled with symbolism, literary references, hidden clues, etc. I would imagine the episode title is simply a reference to the Lewis Carroll book and has nothing to do with Ben's secret underwater hatch. It just sounds kind of ridiculous to me. And I also thought we've heard from Carlton and Cuse that we're going to learn something significant from Jack's past that relates to the island and has been purposely held back. Where's that in the alleged spoiler??
Also, I fail to see how a forward flash qualifies as game-changing or a "snake in the mailbox". It also doesn't fit what we've heard about the house having more rooms than we thought.
But we'll see. Maybe this spoiler is totally legit. Honestly, though, I think I'd be pretty disappointed if this turns out to be true.
Well its all a bit unexpected so I like that aspect of it. Also it would seriously shake up the show. However I thought Hurley was playing a big part in the finale? Also are we not supposed to be seeing another side to him? A bit of classic Hurley would be good!The greatest hits episode sounds more plausible and I think it works nicely. But I reckon its a foiler, at least the finale part.
I guess Hurley killing Pryce w/ the van is a different side of him.
I believe it, unfortunately. It directly works with the "we'll know why the show can't go on any longer than 48 more episodes" tidbit TPTB said. It sounds cheap and disenchanting, but with the way Lost
plays out, I'm sure it'll be conveyed amazingly. I'm honestly hoping this isn't true though. It would be very confusing.
Nice points, people. My guess is that this guy reunited all the spoilers and rumours and made this up. I could be wrong, but i bet it's fake!
Yea I think its fake too, I mean it says Mikhail dies, but dont we already know the three men who die, and the others will be women?
ok but where's the part about blowing the Others with a dynamite, it has been shown in the trailers...
Whereas I do believe that a lot of this sounds accurate, I am severely doubtful about how much this is revealing about what actually happens in the finale simply because of what happened during season 1. I am referring of course to the "leak" of the events of the season 1 finale by an anonymous online user whose spoiler release forced the massive rewrite of the season 1 finale.
I dont think that this would have leaked 2 weeks before the finale air unless there is something bigger missing that hasn't been revealed in the spoiler (at least I can hope). I dont think this is a foiler per se, however I dont feel that the producers or any ABC affiliate would "allow" the release of spoilers of this magnitude unless there is something missing thats potentially even bigger.
I think a lot of people are forgetting that Kate has assumed the I.D. of Joanna, the girl who drowned in S1.
Also, in regards to the producers saying that something fairly earthshaking happens in Jack's PAST, they could mean past in the sense that they want us to believe that what we're seeing on screen is in the past, and the game-changer is that it's not.
I'm not a liar- Kristin said that Lost would have a very Alias-style twist, actually.
gandziu- It's just mentioned that there's a battle with the Others. I don't think *everything* that happens in the finale was posted, because the summary would be way longer. Also, the promo doesn't show them blowing ( you forgot to include the word 'up', by the way) up the Others. It shows Sayid testing explosives in the jungle.
We'll have confirmation in 2 days as to whether or not any of this is true.
I'm just going to sum up what some people said which I agreed with. 1. Charlie being blown up by a grenade doesn't seem like the "official" Lost way for a main character to die. When would they play the death music for that? When Charlie's bits and junks of himself are washing ashore and the Losties see them?
2. I also agree with the whole whole Hurley running someone over. That doesn't seem like a "big role" to me...and totally un-Hurley.
3. Sawyer killing Tom in cold blood...in the middle of a battle? That just seemed like an unnecessary detail.
4. No comment on the Antarctica guys unless they are also the guys on the freighter or the guys that Jack talks to.
5. A hatch named The Looking Glass? Totally inconsistent!
6. Flashforwards from here on out until the end of the series? Interesting...maybe even possible. It would be like we were being told the middle of the story and filling it in from the beginning with flashbacks and from the end with flashforwards. The only problem here is that the flashforwards would have us more focused on the island rather than character development....that's what makes Lost a good show.
I had a few other points but its sad how much time I'm putting into this. To sum it all up...I hope Charlie dies in Greatest Hits (even though I like him) and a different main character dies in the finale.
I still think this is all foiler. The writers are desperate for us to think Charlie is dying, and these don't even seem consistent with other things we have heard. I wouldn't be surprised if these fake summaries were being leaked from TPTB themselves.
Hmmmm; I wouldn't mind this happening as long as The next series doesn't take place completely off the island with Jack trying to round people up trying to get back to the island
It does make sense though; ABC were in negotiations with Harold Perrineau to make a comeback in season 4. This could be because the series is off the island, and Jack finds him to try and get back onto the island.
Also, It has been stated that the survivors split into two groups; one follow jack the others follow Locke. Maybe half the group stay on the island and the rest leave with Jack and the rescue boat. but who?
However, the numbers don't add up; charlie, mikhail, tom, pryce and Naomi. 5 deaths in the finale. However, many sources have already told us that the 'five' is for the whole month of may. John Lockes father makes it six in total then.
Also, it is safe to assume that the two chicks in the underwater bunker die as well; they are holding Charlie captive and Mikhail destroys the place with them all in it. Makes 8 eh?
If this is true I wonder in what circumstances Jack and Kate made it off the island.
I suspect that Jack and Kate would pretty much have to be forced off the island.
That's what tearing Jack up - he didn't want to abandon them in the first place.
Kate - well, when the rescue call came into Naomi's ship, no doubt someone put 2 and 2 together and realized there was a murderer loose on the island and Kate was "forced" once again to run.
In any case, if this is true, then I don't expect the "flash-forward" will become a regular occurrence. In fact I think it will have been a teaser meant to keep us guessing through seasons 4 and 5, only to be revisited in season 6, when the three timelines (pre-island, on-island, post-island) approach frantic convergence.
I'm confused why some people are assuming that the show will revolve around Jack and Kate in its remaining seasons, or even that the 815ers get rescued. It seems like they don't get rescued, but instead that their distress call gets intercepted by a new faction of Others. The next season of the show will probably deal with the 815ers and the new faction of Others, and may incorporate flash-forwards instead of flashbacks, leaving to wonder how some 815ers make it off the island.
This release is no different to any of the other 'major' spoiler releases we have seen over the past couple of years. Everyone can remember last season when someone said that something was going to fall from the sky, that there was a space station, another plane was going to crash etc etc.
We sort of believed them, perhaps because we wanted to believe something like that would happen, or more likely to satisfy our desire to learn what will happen early. This release does make sense, and it fits in with everything else that has been said, but it wouldn't be hard for someone to do, as many people have done, and collated spoilers into their version of events which has then been released on sites such as this.
We can't really go on all the other 'answers' that we have been told we will get, such as on the podcasts, because there seems to be so many - the biggest of course being that we will find out who the others are and what they are doing, which was promised at the beginning of the season - and perhaps even the producers themselves have forgotten about all these promises.
The flashforward part though is what confuses me. Last season's cliffhanger didn't work, as has been stated many times by TPTB. The first was perfect, as the biggest and only question really was 'what's in the hatch?' Last season was seeing something but not understanding what we have seen (which again TPTB said, something like we would only understand 40% of what we have seen) which still hasn't been explained. And if we go with this spoiler, it's no different to season 2. We have seen something, i.e. Jack and Kate off the Island, but we don't understand it. Not really something that would have us tearing our hair out surely? Because, it would be, 'so at least those 2 have been rescued, so how were they rescued, was there anyone else, and why do they want to go back?' It'll be something bigger, or at least I hope it will.
Producers and sources said "at least" 5 deaths in the month of May. At least.
Ummmm... WOW.
Personally, I love it. Assuming the writers/producers had this plot line planned out in their heads all along, I give them a lot of credit for laying things out the way they have. With LOST just slightly over the halfway point, this is the perfect time to reveal something of this magnitude.
Everyone (me included) has been complaining that many of the flashbacks have been bland and repetitive. What can be more perfect than now having the ability to show flash forwards and scenes from the beyond-island future? As far as I'm concerned, this can only enhance the show. It gives the writers near unlimited new direction, plus they retain the original right to show flashbacks and 'current' on island activity.
Sorry, that's just plain brilliant.
And is this really a 'game changer' if it was planned all along? Nope. There's a reason Jack wants to go back to the island, and I'm betting that reason is that something didn't "go right". There's something Jack or someone else did that needs to get undone. Or maybe something on the island needed to be brought to fruition by the 815'ers, yet was cut short by their rescue(?) In any event, Jack's last words virtually SCREAM time-loop. "We're all here for a reason"... I'm betting that something in Jack's dark future enlightens him as to exactly what needs to be done in the past.
Man I love this show. I love that it's turning out to be something radically different, and that the writers aren't afraid of blowing apart some traditional minds. :)
Didn't they talk about "at least 5 deaths" though?
Also, while I hope this is all just one big foiler, an awful lot of it still makes sense though. Like Walt popping up in the middle of the jungle (not sure about the exact wording, but in "Three Minutes" Ms. Klugh asked Michael if Walt had ever been seen in places where he shouldn't be, right?), like Naomis team not being who they say the are (the other Others?), like Hurley running over Pickett's replacement in the Dharma van (a different side of Hurley), like Sawyer killing Tom in cold blood ("you and me ain't done yet, Zeke!")... and, of course, like the whole flash-forward malarkey (I honestly can't think of a bigger game changer than turning the whole story upside down this way).
If this is true, then old Sharky has been jumped. I love lost, but I have found this season to be a rollercoaster of dizzing heights and depressing lows.
If Kate is the person that Jack has been trying to get wiht in the "flashforward", I won't be talking about Lost all summer.
I'm amazed anyone could call this innovative. How does this blow the show open? We learn that at least some of them were rescued and now maybe we'll learn how that happened. Blah. Blech.
It will be fun watching Jack look like a scuzz. And it will be super fun watching Kate give him the old heave ho. About time, girl! But it really doesn't intrigue me in the slightest.
If it's a foiler, it's a classic. It could have been pieced together from hints we've had. My friends and I had already speculated about the flash forward and Jack being shown as rescued. It won't be keeping anyone I know talking over the summer.
Ok i Know that it sounds lame but if you watch it in Live Tv time, and you see Jack meeeting Kate is a flashback..... you gonna be £*"£"*"*
if these spoilers are true(i mean lostfan's ones) then u had to close this site and every site around that ruining something so big
ok,i know,spoiler section BUT there is a limit for everything,right?
From Vozzzek:
In any event, Jack's last words virtually SCREAM time-loop. "We're all here for a reason"..
Unless you're reading something else, those aren't Jack's last words. His last words are "We have to go back!". No idea where you're getting any of your spec from about going back to change something in time.
Why would people be talking all summer about Jack chasing Kate off the island? I think there are more people that hate the whole jater/skater thing, than there are jaters and katers. What would be more shocking is if that was Shannon that he has been trying to call.
Rattlesnake in the mailbox? Very scarey and deadly. How could this be described as that?
I do like the fact that Jack is supposed to turn into Christian. Serves him right, but this is just a bad foiler.
Panos, this is the spoiler section and people are warned that if they don't want it ruined then don't read it.
As for the "spoiler"...WOW....I don't want Charlie to die at all but what a cool way to go out and to make one of his five greatest days when he met Claire, that brought tears to my eyes. I'm ticked he had to die at all and I'm glad that bastard Mikhail dies w/ him since he caused it.
Why would Locke care if people made it off the island? He doesn't have to leave if he doesn't want to.
As for the ending being Jack and Kate, BIG shocker there........NOT NOT NOT. Jack's a demigod in TPTB's eyes and I guess now Kate is his Queen.
For me if this spoiler is true ok jack-kate have got off the island and the way theyeve built this game changer up is that it would be mind-blowing last thing id suspect etc etc.
Also for me this wouldnt be that if this is true id be very disappointed in Darlton because for me am sorry but thats not like a rattlesnake in the mailbox the last thing id suspect etc etc etc.
I also agree with BlackrockBob Jack & Kate get of the island aint going to have us talking all summer long talking about and anticipating season 4
so for me its a very good foiler and if true ill be very disappointed because jack-kate getting off the island so what that isnt going to get me excited and wanting season 4 so bad
If true, Lost is done for me.
It sounds so Enterprise's These Are The Voyages...ask an ENT fan how they liked THAT episode!
That would be the worst move they could make...The WORST!
I don't buy it. I just don't. Too many things don't make sense. (Many of these things have been pointed out by people who have already commented, but I just want to add my 2 cents.)
1. The fact that a post was deleted doesn't mean it is legit, just that it was the info that Herc and Mori had. They could think it's real or they could know it's fake. Either way, deleting it makes sense.
2. People started suggesting yesterday that we should google lostfan108. There are a lot of posts in a lot of places using that name. None of them ever had a clue what was going on. Suddenly, this dude knows everything that's going to happen?
3. A hatch called the Looking Glass? It doesn't fit the pattern of station names nor does it fit the writers use of literary allusions.
4. It seems to be compiled from most of the spoilers that have already been released, but doesn't quite match a few of them. Mikhail has not been listed as a death.
5. In the first two seasons, the show has been very careful not to let anyone know what happens in any section that they are not directly involved in. Thus, no one knew about "The Bagel" in season 1 unless they were in the scene. Do we really think that suddenly security has gotten so lax that possibly the biggest spoilers in the history of the show would be revealed by a random dude emailing AICN?
Maybe I'm wrong, but for right now, you can put me firmly in the foiler camp. If I'm proven wrong, I'll come back here and admit it. (At least this is a better spoiler than the "Dharma Zepplin" one from a few weeks ago.)
The only thing this would keep people talking about over the summer is how Lost ripped off Alias and is probably shark food now.
I can see from the reactions of Herc and Vozzek that this would appeal to the geekboys, but who else would be excited by it? In fact, the geek appeal of it probably lends credence to it being an elaborate foiler, since they're the kind that would concoct something this detailed.
They said the finale is like a snake in the mailbox in the sense that only someone deranged would do something like that. This fits that analogy. It isn't necessarily supposed to be evil, just very nutty. It is definitely that, in a good way.
I think this has been the plan all along. They have always said they have a plan about aging Walt. This new direction fits that perfectly. I think it shows more and more that we don't give TPTB the credit they deserve.
OMG LALALALALALALALALAAAA NOT LOOKING NOT LOOKING!!!!!!
...oh who am I kidding? *peeks*
...
OMG. Damn it! Why did I go and do that?? lol Thank you so much for posting this Dark, don't worry it's people's own faults if they look!
And if it's a foiler... well it sure foiled me! lol
Speaking of,
DARK UFO,
I was wondering if this info correlates with the deaths you haven't yet revealed?
And faith, I soooort of see your point in that it sure is odd and kind of again Spoilers for the Un-Spoiled to pretty much have the rest of the show fill in the blanks...
But don't worry. Doesn't look overly Jatey, and I figure that was part of your annoyance.
No Selina doesn't look overly Jatey. Looks like the ultimate kick in the teeth to Jate actually. Jack's a loser and Kate wants no part of him. That's pretty much the only part I liked about it.
But the Alias ripoff? No one will respect Lost if this is all they have. This isn't twisted. It's derivative and unoriginal. I am hoping it is foiler, even though I LOVE how it trashes Jate.
trippy- Actually, I could think of much WORSE! moves that TPTB could make. Many many many worse moves. I don't know what genius television shows you're watching that are delivering cliffhangers so good that it makes this look like the worst possible one. I'm not even saying that this is a good cliffhanger. It's not nearly interesting enough to keep anyone talking for 8 months. But... and I'm just suggesting this: you should watch it with the hyperbole.
Laura i cant agree this is nothing like a rattle snake in a mailbox its stupid and unoriginal.
Jack-Kate get off the island so what the flashbacks are the futher so whats there nothing game changing about that and its not going to have us talking all summer long
Thanks Dark! Sounds awesome.
Of course, it's going to sound a bit flat - if you were to sum up any film or book in bullet points it would sound flat. I'm sure TPTB will make it fabulous.
If I hear the term Skater or Jater one more time... I'm going to come through your internets and try a bit of amateur brain surgery on you to see if there is actually a brain there. It's ridiculous, you all sound about 12, please for the love of G_d, get a life, get a job and get a grip! :)
Yeah, but Kristin meant like: what will happen is Lost is like what happened on Alias when Syd destroyed SD-6. Just that. What i mean is the future thingm it'd be so Alias... i believe this is fake!
This is the greatest idea, you find out what happened on the island in Flashback form, isn't this what everybody wanted, "More island flashbacks please" so that is what we are getting, what happened on the island that made jack end up in that state, we will find out in flashback form, each episode another day on the island, maybe naomi's people did some crazy tests on them before they got rescued, and so on. I rep[eat This is a GREAT IDEA.
This spoler/foiler may be true, but here are my two bits:
When Jack yells at Kate, "We have to go back!", it implies that there is alot more that needs to happen AFTER at least these two are rescued.
This would mean one of two things:
They get rescued BEFORE the end of season six and then they have to finish the "Go back to the island" story line. (maybe to rescue anyone they left behind? or save the world?)
OR
They mingle flash forwards with flashbacks over the next three seasons. (Some backstories are NOT complete yet, I want to know what Sayid did in Basra) This could be confusing... is it a flash forward or a flash back this week?
If this spoiler/foiler is true, then they MUST "go back to the island"
For me, this show is done when they are rescued. It is a bit of a stretch to have the show continue AFTER they are rescued.
One note: even if ONLY Jack and Kate (and the dead funeral person maybe)are rescued soon, how would they mingle "on island current time" and "off island current time"?
Ok, here goes, if this spoiler is indeed correct (this is my own theory btw):
Game-changer = there has been a time jump--the story as of season four will be seen from the present, i.e. 3 years post-crash, 2007+. There is no such thing as a flash-forward, what we see is in fact the present. Seasons 4, 5, and 6 will tell the story from the present (yours and mine), the plot will center around Jack (and maybe Kate and whoever else) trying to get back to the island/dealing with living with what happened/reintegrating into society/etc. while flashbacks tell us what happened in the intervening three+ years on the island.
For example, someone posted above that "we have been told that Naomi is going to be a major character in season 4 so what she isn't anymore?" I'd say unless she gets killed of course, that this can be explained by the fact that all island scenes in season 4+ are flashbacks...
While I'm being random--just rewatched The Man Behind the Curtain--Ben says to Richard, "it's my birthday today, you DO remember birthdays, don't you Richard?" He says this perhaps to emphasize the point that Richard has had so many birthdays (since he doesn't seem to age) that he has completely lost track/doesn't bother to remember his own birthday anymore.
Unless of course I'm wrong.
someone else touched on this above....will next seasons show take place in "the future" with the flashbacks being island flashbacks, not flashbacks prior to landing on the island???
OMG! OMG! Awesome!
I can't wait...
DarkUFO - Thanks for putting this all together into a more readable format.
I'm inclined to think foiler. The one thing that makes me unsure is that Jack's "We have to go back," almost seems to resonate with creepy ring-lady's impatience with Desmond in that one scene where she was telling him "That's not how it's supposed to go." That's liberally paraphrased, but she was conveying the sense that Desmond had suddenly gone off-script somehow.
For the rest, a lot just doesn't make sense. Ben just appears to give Jack a message and then disappears again? Hurley manages to get the van to the beach? What happened to Charlie being tortured, which Dom talked about in his interview with Kristin?
All in all, I think it's a foiler. As Faith said above, the ending is way too Alias rip-off for my taste. I also don't see it leaving us on the edge of my seat, speculating about what will happen next season. Quite the reverse. It just seems to diminish the story we've had on the island so far.
"Game-changer = there has been a time jump--the story as of season four will be seen from the present, i.e. 3 years post-crash, 2007+. There is no such thing as a flash-forward, what we see is in fact the present. Seasons 4, 5, and 6 will tell the story from the present (yours and mine), the plot will center around Jack (and maybe Kate and whoever else) trying to get back to the island/dealing with living with what happened/reintegrating into society/etc. while flashbacks tell us what happened in the intervening three+ years on the island."
That sounds like the best bet to me.
I can see from the reactions of Herc and Vozzek that this would appeal to the geekboys
Hehehe... oh man.
Faith, it's funny how anyone who doesn't conform precisely to your view of LOST is suddenly a fanboy, a geekboy, or most commonly, a male chauvinist hellbent on the destruction of the Kate/Sawyer relationship.
A while back I theorized that Jack would eventually end up with Kate. Since then you've lumped me into some 'Jater' club, when in reality I couldn't possibly give less of a sh$t who ends up kissing whom.
I also mentioned I found the older, more sarcastic version of Sawyer more interesting than this one. This of course made me a misogynistic pig who obviously hates all women. Simultaneously I condone the beating and vigorous shaking of women, ever since Jack's Thai flashback.
In short, you've been slapping random labels on me for the past few weeks for some obsessive reason, yet I've never written a single thing about you - good or bad.
Listen. I know the "future crap" thing has your panties riding pretty high this morning. And I know seeing Jack with Kate in the finale hurts more than when you were stood up for the prom. I feel for you, I really do. It's probably gonna take hours to rearrange your myspace page to accommodate these events. But hey, chin up. Somehow life goes on, and I'm sure you'll find another basket to jam all your nazi-feminist eggs in.
-Vozz
It is a FOILER! The EP is still in the editing room.... This was said during the podcast
none of this makes sense to be true and thats probably the whole idea that we are left asking hundreds of questions, theres just to many holes in the whole story.
*** UM CHARLIE CAN'T SWIM ***
Sounds good. Can't wait to see the finale. Damon & Carlton did say (in an interview w/ Doc Jensen)as far as the season finale goes, we should be asking ourselves, "what happened to Jack?"
I have ONE major problem with this Charlie death - Charlie can't swim. Remember in season one when Joanna drowns? Before Jack and Boone jump in the water, Charlie yells out "I can't swim". So...there u have it. It's the little details...hope Damon/Carlton figur that one out.
One thing, I think Damon and Carlton would really get a kick out of revealing that everything we've been watching all along is just one big flashback.
IT Would be great if they season finale turn in to the end of the show and in next seasons they leads us to this episode(what had happened) :)
sorry for bad english :)
An underwater hatch by the sonar beacon? Sorry this is a FOILER!
Folks you may remember me as the goofy guy who played around with creative writing in November of 2005. I went on epguides.com and typed up some fake spoilers which they accepted, then Kristen E Online read them on her show on E and that was all cool.
If you remember this, then you will remember that what I made up was "Ep 13 of season 2, Ana Lucia will find the cable and follow it to a new underwater hatch.
Now I know thats not concrete evidence for this being a foiler, however, it does seem repetitive to have two under water hatchs, and like everyone else said, it named "The Looking Glass"? Makes no sense.
This “toads the wet sprocket!”
Why would Kate (of all people) want to leave the island?!?!
On the island she no longer has to be in hiding?
I hope, hope, and hope, this is a foiler.
This “toads the wet sprocket!”
Why would Kate (of all people) want to leave the island?!?!
On the island she no longer has to be in hiding?
I hope, hope, and hope, this is a foiler.
dave s. - your theory sounds like the best bet for the future direction of the show, if the finale turns out this way. I still have doubts - some things seem to make sense, and other bits of it seem a little too awkward and "foiler"-ish. I tend to like Jack as a character, so it's nice to think that he would make it off the island, but Kate has been supremely annoying lately, and it irritates me that somehow she would be a big part of this surprise spoiler/foiler.
I'm not sure how audiences will take it if the finale turns out this way...will it have them anxiously waiting for the beginning of season 4 in 2008?
Also isn't Charlie supposed to get tortured by someone in "Greatest Hits"?
This may or may not be true but I lean towards it not being true. We will find out tomorrow, but my guess is that the whole thing is a foiler.
ABC must know that people are clamoring for spoilers, so the best way to stop that is to release a big foiler, and then make it seem like it is real. Maybe they didn't release it but by having it removed from AICN they lend it some credibility. As this gets spread people will talk more and more about this and will (hopefully) stop trying to get more spoilers.
Koen, I won't say that the summary isn't a foiler. However, I have to discredit you on the ep being in the editing room.
The last podcast was recorded well over a week ago. In the last interview that DL & CC gave, they said that they had just sat down and watched the completed season finale. Also, the editors complete episodes within 2 days. Probably 4 days for a double-sizer. And they finished filming two weeks ago, so do the math.
I await Insiderscoop's summary of 'Greatest Hits' with baited breath!
If they match - oh boy !
For some reason, since reading this about an hour ago, I feel... devastated. I'm blown away, but at the same time, sad, and it's not just because of characters dying. I don't know why. Anyone feel the same?
Charlie is dead, huh?
Then that's the end of the show for me.
Oh well. It was fun while it lasted.
This "five greatest moments in Charlie's life" thingy is weird as well.
That's a nice little story there but it has to be intox...
Charlie cant swim. This has been mentionned in several episodes. Why would the losties let Charlie go on such an important mission when he cant swim...
Also the locke trying to kill himself thing... doesnt make any sense
Barnacle, I am with you. If Insider says its so... I'll believe this! It is a great read though!
Rachel you didn't see Charlie's death coming? Do you watch Lost?
God, "this is the best development ever" or "I'll stop watching the tank of jumped whales if this **** happens". We really are a fickle fanbase. I bet you half the people who said the latter have said so before and will always say so. The "lame" police if you will.
And all those people who are saying "a hatch called the looking glass doesn't make sense"! "hurley running over a guy is lame"! "Charlie getting blown up sucks cause i want a funeral"! C'mon, don't be so bombastic. First of all having Ben himself name something "the looking glass" doesn't seem strange at all. Secondly we don't know what context the Hurley "running over scene" was. If charlie dies in this fashion we can all be satiated by the fact that he set a good Lost precident of dying uncerimoniously, which it's about time someone did!
Even though i think this development will put me off a bit (as i've had my own finale penned out in my head), if it turns out to be true i do think we have to give the writers the "benefit of the doubt" at this point. Just as if it doesn't we will too.
There could be plenty of explanations for the "flash forward" that we aren't thinking about immediately. Alternate timeline, Jack & Kate have been there before, etc. And this definitely doesn't seem like a "happy Jater ending" as some have said. Also you can effectively argue that other finales have had a more "geeky" twist than this one. So everybody chill out and resume your viewing pleasure:)!
Definitely a foiler. Why would Locke kill Naomi and then let Jack live. Also, I thought in Greatest Hits, Charlie was writing a song, not the 5 greatest things in his life.
How would Locke nearly killing himself "not make sense"? Gut wounds are exceptionally painful and take a long, long time for you to "bleed out".
Granted, he was shot a bit high, but eh...
I think this spoiler is entirely plausable - now over the next two seasons we can see a couple or maybe free flashbacks into the future to see where certain individuals are, its a refeshing idea.
If you planned a foiler this elaborate, wouldn't the most logical next step to be to make sites take it down once it's been up a little while?
Just because it got taken down doesn't necessarily mean it's spot on.
Mikhail doesn't die in the finale as it states
Yeah, josh, really, why would anyone actually stop watching if Charlie dies? That's the one thing i'm actually excited about!
to Vozz "seeing Jack with Kate in the final hurts more than when you were stood from the prom". Yes Vozz see that Kate will kick Jack's ass in his future flash hurts us skaters realy.anyway they must give us something about the others characters in Jack's future flash.
Oh this does give me a headache. Throw out all the old theories. Are we playing "back to the future"? Is the island a giant Delorian(sp?).
So since Des turned the failsafe key we now have to figure out which "flashbacks" we're seen are actually of the future? Locke's not paralyzed because that happens in the future, not the past? Jack's Thailand visit was really future, not past? Do they somehow come back to the island so they can go back and change things from the past. Don't know how Jacob fits into all this. I've always wondered if what Locke sees in the sweat tent of all of them at the airport is actually how the whole shows ends. (in the future)
I can't think about this any more. This is my last attempt at any theory.
My problem with it is that the ending doesn't leave a lot to discuss for people who are more into the characters than the mystery aspect.
A: So, do you think all the other Losties are dead?
B. I don't know.
C. Me neither.
End of discussion.
Even from the "mysteries" side, it doesn't seem to leave a lot to discuss?
A. Time loop maybe?
B. Could be.
A. Or maybe some kind of virtual existence experiment.
B. That might be it.
Not a lot of evidence to move discussion forward with.
Vozzek - thanks for coming on and confirming everything I've said about you. This guy is the kind of Rush Limbaugh-esque pig who uses the term feminazi all over other boards. He's on his good behavior here because Dark is such a gentleman and he wants to keep his spot on the front page. If you see him in his true element he's a true pig.
And sorry, Vozzek you little fanboy, but I'm hardly upset over the Jack and Kate in this spoiler (or foiler as the case may be). THis would be a dream come true for me since it shows without a doubt they won't ever be together and Kate finally stops kowtowing to the abusive creep. Love how she leaves him pissing himself like an old dope fiend. That part is cool.
But the rest of it just sounds as lame as can be. Derivative, unimaginative and unispired. As a fan of the show, I'd like to see them do something that didn't basically steal from the exact same device that destroyed an earlier J J Abrams show.
Toys are being thrown out of prams.
Regarding the funeral - there are some strong candidates - Sawyer, Michael, Ben, Locke???
Interesting.
Apologies for the double post.
Cathater said:
Definitely a foiler. Why would Locke kill Naomi and then let Jack live.
Now, Locke killing Jack in that scene... THAT would have been a "snake in a mailbox" moment!
Well the season 1 finale could have been summed up:
A. What's in the hatch?
B. I don't know.
A. What do those boat dudes want with Walt?
B. I don't know, he's special.
C. Sounds good.
There is plenty missing here, the black rock, the aaron trek, etc. It's fairly easy to sum up any devolopment in a way to make it sound terribly uneventful!
To me this is probably mostly true. But I don't think the "rattlesnake in the mailbox" is posted. I think there is probably more to this.
Definitely a foiler. Why would Locke kill Naomi and then let Jack live.
Now, Locke killing Jack in that scene... THAT would have been a "snake in a mailbox" moment!
ETA - ESPECIALLY, if the episode ends with Jack and Kate off island.
THAT would have my jaw on the ground for sure. :)
I think someone made up this theory with the lil bits and pieces to the season finale. If this is really a spoiler then where is the two hour description? Usually when you see the show, you talk about EVERYTHING that happened. He made it seemed like a hour show. Nice try dude but I think the last part is a copy from the middle of season 3...Jack screaming at Kate to run away while he is operating on Ben. What about the two chicks that died with Charlie, Tom and Price? Is that the two chicks that are with Charlie in the looking glass? What about Locke and Jack dividing into two tribes and spilltin up the Losties? What about the answer the Walt's ability to warp? What about the two guys from the artic?...I can go on and on but I really don't think that the Lost season finale would be out on the web two weeks before scheduled. Believe what you want but I'm not buying this for a minute...maybe 5 seconds and then my intelligence kicks in.
Yea Charlie is supposed to get tortured in "Greatest hits" and to escape the pain he comes up with a new song.....
I call shananagins.
Do people think this development would seriously "ruin lost"? Why?
I doub it is because it's "uninspired" because plenty of events on plenty of shows, including this one, have been.
I would think it has to be something more than that.
muscle_bob, that is a grave accusation.... :)
However, haven't we seen a promo screencap of charlie writing his list from greatest hits?
Although i'd think many people would like to see a finale that addresses all the things you've said, steve, i think it's too much to cram in one episode, even if it is a 2 hour one. All these other descriptions of the finale where they make it seem like half the show's questions would be answered seem too lazy to me.
Well for the game changer, I can see how it could leave us talking about how did Kate and Jack got off the island, why is Kate so cold, what happened that Jack is so depressed, why did they leave behind everyone else....but that doesn't seem like enough discussion for 8 months. They need to give us something that we can find evidence for in the past two seasons. Something to make us go back and rewatch all those episodes and be like "Son of a bitch, they got me".
Catheter- The flashback portions of Charlie's ep are probably true. If you look on this very website (spoilerslost.blogspot.com) on the 2nd page, there is a pic of Charlie writing down a list.
http://bp3.blogger.com/_RrObyQ3XzcY/RkIjYpsh6LI/AAAAAAAAFPk/zfc2iTkHeH0/s1600-h/tvguidemay07.jpg
The first thing vaguely says "The first time I heard my band(?) on the radio". The second thing vaguely says "Dad teachin' me to swim at ?? holiday camp." In addition, we have video confirmation that Charlie saves someone from being mugged in a flashback.
I agree with muscle_bob, the season finale should make us want to pull out our dvds, and this doesn't seem like it. That's why i'm not entirely convinced, but if it is, oh well...
And they really need to watch how they name things. They mention the game changer being the "Snake in the Mailbox". That term is used when you find out something about someone that you didn't know. The flashbacks actually being the flashforwards do not constitute a "Snake in the Mailbox"
Also, wheres is the stewardess and pharmacist listed for the episode? All these points keep coming to me randomly, sorry folks.
Bob this is NOT a synopsis. This is someone listing some key "juicy" bits for us. This probably makes up about 30% of what is on the screen if it is true.
As I've said, there is no doubt multiple flashbacks but maybe they just arn't that interesting and hence the source did not bother to write about them.
I'm hoping they will email me back with some of these missing details.
Muscle_Bob_Buff_Pants i agree theres nothing about this that would have us on the edge of our seats talking about it for 8 months and thats what something called a game changer would have to do for me. if anything it would have the opposte effect which wouldnt be a game changer in my book
Okay, I'm pretty certain that in the season 1 episode where Jack saves Boone (who's trying to save someone) from drowning, Charlie clearly says he CANNOT SWIM.
This is very foily. As many others have pointed out, I don't see Darlton, even in all their inane literary references, calling a station "The Looking Glass," mainly because it's simply lame. I understand you say this is just an overview of some important things that happen in the episode, but certain key details are glossed over completely, such as "Locke is going to kill Jack, but then he decides not to."
I just find it all hard to believe... I'm not saying it's not cool in a sense, but I think I really would feel cheated on something like this.
I wouldn't mind the "Season 4" is all current time, with Island Flashbacks.
I also wouldn't think that only Jack and Kate would be rescued. I can imagine that Locke is on the Island doing his best communing with nature thing.
I know I'm jaded after watching St Elsewhere (not to mention DS9, Enterprise, and somewhat with Yoyager.) I regret wasting my time with a series when it gets to the end and it makes the whole series seem lame. So far each season ending cliffhanger has worked, and I am sure that in 8 days and 12+ hours, we will all say "WOW!!! I can't wait for next season. I am going to post about my theories all summer long!". I am just saying this "foiler" doesn't do that. I am sure that Cuseloft will have done a better job. I also think that they kind of stretch the truth on the podcasts. Like them "betting" if Locke was alive or not. They are just joking with us.
I think I would only stop watching the show if it turns out that this whole show was just a dream that Hugo had at the mental hospital.
maybe this *is* a foiler and their snake in the mailbox does involve finding out something about someone that you didn't know. Maybe you really need to watch your criticisms. We won't have any real confirmation until InsiderScoop releases the Greatest Hits synopsis.
Everyone needs to cool down until then. I wouldn't be surprised if TPTB secretly shook their heads at how easily fans turn on the creators. And there's no elitist explanation to overrule that. No one is charging you money or inconveniencing you to watch 42 minutes of entertainment per week. The investment costs you no money, and little time, guys. Yet you carry pitchforks at every turn to burn people who are just trying to write a decent story for...well, the very same people who are primed to lunge forward at any point with said proverbial pitchforks.
Add my vote to the Foiler Hat. This stuff just sounds like conjecture/guessing.
Pay attention to Charlie's song in the "flashback" this week and the one from Des' loop flashback. Is it the same as the one he writes during Greatest Hits?
For all you people saying this isn't a gamechanger, then I would like to hear what would constitute one.
People are also reading into the snake in a mailbox thing the wrong way. If you read the EW interview that C&C did you will see that they call it a snake in the mailbox because it is nutty and deranged. It isn't literal like someone who you wouldn't expect is going to do something evil. It just means that the gamechanger is nuts and that you would have to have balls and be a little nuts yourself to do it. If this doesn't fit that, there is really maybe no ending that could.
That picture of Charlie from TV Guide really does lend some credence to the spoilers. I guess we will all know Wednesday, because if this person got one right it is probably a little same to assume they got the other right as well.
The death count is too screwed up. You have 1)Locke's Dad. 2)Mikhail, 3)Charlie, 4) Pryce, 5) Tom, & 6) Naomi & they said a bunch of Others die. Besides we have all heard that Naomi will be back for season 4. I cannot imagine that a man of faith like Locke would try to kill himself. I also agree that I would expect more from Juliet. I think this foiler has some truth to it...but also many lies. I think this post should be moved to Rumors...unless DarkUfo knows more than he can say.
I think this a foiler. There are just bits that don't fit and personally the ending isn't going to leave me talking for the next 8-9 months. It's not much a of a shocker and if this is true, then it seems as disappointing as the Series 2 finale. The synopsis just doesn't fit with stuff we've heard for the past few weeks from Dalton. If this is the finale, then I'm going to be disappointed.
Also I don't know how I feel about a flash forward. I don't want the next 3 seasons to be bout off-island with flashes back. I'm just not happy and a bit disppointed. Oh well, we'll know tomorrow.
Couldnt it be a plain Flashback instead of a Flash-Forward? What if Kate and Jack had been to the island before, and they took the Oceanic 815 flight on purpose to return? Kate, who is in hiding for her crime, could allow herself to get caught in order to get there. I admit it sounds weird, but not weirder than what weve read!
This time travel stuff is starting to get a bit ridiculous. At least the part about "Naomi's people" sounds interesting. Could be Dharma trying to take the island back?
delilah:
-The death count has been confirmed multiple times to be AT LEAST 5. Many spoilers explicitly state that there would be more than 5.
-To my knowledge, no spoilers have yet confirmed that Naomi will be back for season 4. If they have, please post a link.
-Locke may not be quite *himself* in the finale.
tint - disappointing as the season 2 finale? I'm not one of them, but many people highlight that as one of their favorite episodes!
Plus as dark said, there's obviously alot left out, doesn't touch on Juliet, Ben's only role is to impart information to Jack? More will happen in this episode, whether or not it's a foiler, wait and see!
That picture of Charlie from TV Guide really does lend some credence to the spoilers.
Does it? I thought just the opposite. The geeks have been foilering all over the place lately, using things that are known from photographs and press releases. Then they add their own wishful thinking and voila!
Using the picture of Charlie making a list to make this sound real is exactly the way they've been doing it the past few foilers we've had. We had the IMDB guy and then the Kate Dies guy. Now this one.
mooreburg- how is time travel any more ridiculous than a traveling smoke monster that reads peoples minds and knocks down trees? What suddenly constitutes "ridiculous"?
I have to ask, what else could the list be? Deep Thoughts by Jack Handey? Did you not see the video of Charlie running to stop a mugging?
Anyway, they certainly don't seem to be lyrics, given the lack of a rhyme scheme or lyrical quality. It sure sounds like a list.
If Charlie writing a list of what appears to be great memories and there being video confirmation of Charlie running to stop a mugging doesn't lend any credence to the idea that Charlie's flashbacks are his 5 greatest moments, then.... Well... I don't really have to say anything else. I'm not saying it's true, but it certainly seems to hold its weight.
Salto - I agree, a flash forward seems ridiculous and unlikely.
If the episode pans out like this, the writers are probably wanting us to see that Jack and Kate knew each other before coming to the island, and have been there before!
Okay, why was my comment deleted? I gave an opinion on the supposed-game changer and it was removed.
Maybe I'll refrain from posting my opinion and just go on a tirade about how Jack belongs with Kate. That seems to be a safe comment to post around here.
DARKUFO
Dude you have to realize I'm not blaming, bashing, or making fun of you. You're just the messenger man don't worry, I think I speak for all of us when I say if this does turn out to be foilers, then no one blames you.
I find it fun now discussing if this is true or not true.
Jason, I was disappointed by the finale. Nothing jumped out at me or made me really really surprised. It felt flat in comparison to S1 finale.
The one thing I do like the sound of is the Penny not knowing Naomi and her being up to something. However why would Penny mention her in the ransmission to Desmond? That doesn't make sense - unless her father in up to something and sent Naomi on a mission himself, with Penny believing she was helping her. TPTB did say Penny sent Naomi, so she must know something about her.
Joseph: It was deleted due to swearing.
Bob: No worries my friend :)
Hmmm, well that I can accept, I suppose. Consarnit.
Anyway, this does sound true, but it also sounds lacklustre. It's a decent idea in theory but not as life-altering as one would expect, and certainly not as epic as TPTB would have you believe.
Charlie said he doesn't swim, not that he can't swim.
I really hope Charlie's not dead and that this is a massive foiler. It's certainly inconsistent enough. At the very least, I hope it's missing the end scene where Charlie returns to the beach, because he somehow managed to once again survive everything.
Charlie dead = me not watching either. This has been handled very poorly and casts a pall over the entire show IMO.
I think this is both SPOILER and FOILER.
(1) Most of the GREATEST HITS spoiler is probably real. Charlie is credited in the last episode, and we know that Desmond tells him he HAS to die...probably to save someone else...and I bet he saves himself and someone dies because of it. He is probably the one who sacrifices himself in the finale to save the losties.
(2) The FINALE is probably mostly FOILER. For example....we know that the camp will be divided between Jack and Sawyer, and this isn't addressed. We know that 3 men die and 2 women, and Mikhail is not listed as one of the men. We have also been told that there is something in Jack's PAST, not future, that will be a game changer. This isn't a "snake in the mailbox." And what about those two women who hold Charlie up with the gun?
This is a good story, but it would be jumping Ezra James Sharkington himself if they try this out.
Also, it in no way needs to be told in 3 more seasons with 16 episodes, and we are supposed to know WHY it has to end in 3 seasons in the finale.
Personally, I like the whole "48 hours" thing, or perhaps 3 more days = 3 more seasons.
I love how the whole darkufo community is posting on here. I think its mixed with truth and some made up stuff, but atleast it bring us all together to argue. I dont even have time to argue about this spoiler/foiler because im still 2 upset about nikki and paulo dying....haha.
You have done nothing wrong, as this is posted in the SPOILER section.
Anyway here are past spoilers describing the finale that I think doesn't match up with this description.
"Reveals a shocking secret from Jack's past. Jack and Locke will have a long awaited confrontation. A MAJOR character will die (who is not Charlie)."
Well if these are Jack's future, how could this be incorporated itno a huge secret? Jack getting off the island is only a secret to us, not a secret to everyone.
"The casting call for the final two hours of season three includes a single mother, a doctor, a mortician, a pharmacist and a stewardess. The pharmacist and the 40-year-old flight attendant are hardasses, the doc is a chief-of-staff, the single mother is tired and the mortician is kind of depressed."
Where are the pharmacist, stweardess, and single mother in this description?
"Some of the characters [from episode 20], if rumors are true, will make their way into the May 23th two-hour finale to continue their trek through time. That episode is rumored to give us an insight into the island that will have fans talking all summer long. DHARMA will, again, factor heavily into the episode and the fabled ‘incident’ as well as the ‘purge’ will be touched upon."
So far the game changer has nothing to do with the island or any mythology. The game changer so far is only a shocking plot twist that doesn't involve any previous mysteries.
"The division between the others will come to a dramatic ending this season, there will be a huge war between our heroes and the others. Probably more shocking, Claire will play a huge role in the final leading her to find out Jack is in fact her brother as we see a more darker side to her."
I guess thats 70% left out of the description?
"Juliet and Jack are gonna stay tight. Really tight."
If the game changer is correct, I think that maybe this is a hint that Jack is trying to call Juliet and not Kate. As well all agreed, Kate off the island being cold doesn't make sense. Juliet being cold and off the island makes total sense.
"In the two-hour season finale, Lost viewers will definitely get some answers, with the help of Jack's (Matthew Fox) flashback, a changed Locke and a long-awaited showdown that will determine a significant outcome for the future of the castaways."
Jack's "flashback" doesn't provide answers at all, it infact raises literally 5 important questions.
"Ben will be left cowering like a wittle baby."
Oh man, but where was that?
AND NOW FOR THE BIGGEST CLUE THAT REALLY DOESN'T MATCH UP WITH THIS DESCRIPTION. THE FOLLOWING IS FROM DAMON AND CARLTON IN THE NEW EW ARTICLE.
"The reality is, you do know everything there is to know about Jack as a character in terms of what's driving him. But you don't know everything that's happened to Jack. And there is one sort of significant event that we've been holding back that happened to Jack and we're going to show it in the season finale. And as all great flashbacks on the show are, they pertain directly to what's happening on the Island."
Now they've been holding it back as in it's been planned for awhile. But they specifically mention it is a flashback and that it directly correlates to the on island events. I don't see how they could split the flashbacks down from past to flash forwards...it would be way too confusing.
What do you all think?
I hope this spoiler is true because i actually quite like it.
For me it would be almost as good as the season 1 ending, where i was asking myself the whole summer what could be inside the hatch.
This ending also leaves room for a couple of seasons working to how they got of the island and maybe a season off the island.
If this spoiler turns out to be true I really hope that it's a flashback and not a flashforward. And that the big game changing event is that Jack and Kate knew each other before coming to the island and in fact had been there before and elaborately planned their return. That would be shocking... Finding out that Jack makes it off the island and follows in his father's drunk footsteps wouldn't exactly suprise me.
I'm REALLY hoping that if true, the Jack/Kate scene is a FLASHBACK.
"Snake in the mailbox" just means "unexpected surprise." It doesn't have to necessarily do with transmissions, phone calls, or messages in a bottlte!
The "snake in the mailbox" IS that Jack/Kate are off the island. That's the unexpected mother of all surprises.
I agree with you to an extent muscle_bob - the problem is, how to sort the wheat from the chaff? It's impossible to know if the earlier info is true or false as it is with this new info.
All we know for sure is that several corroborating sources have lent credence to this new spoiler through grizzled spoiler vets such as DarkUFO and the aintitcool guys...
I'm inclined to belive that the new spoiler trumps the older ones.
RE: the EW article - they could hardly say, "a significant event in Jack's future' without giving the game away.
Just my twopenneth, as a geek (when do I get to leave high school? I'm 32 ;) ).
Overall, as long as nothing on Lost involves aliens, purgatory, dog dream, or random characters turning out to be Jacob (like everyone thought about Jack), then I'll at least be relatively satisfied from a decompressed storytelling point-of-view. I know the press and TPTB like to hype things up, but that doesn't mean we should anticipate accordingly.If you just judge it by whether or not it's a good piece of episodic fiction, rather than everything being a game-changing, mind-blowing, mind-f-ing, Watchmen-like discovery/cliffhanger/character bomb, then you might find yourself calmer and happier. I know I sure am.
Maybe Lostfan108 is wrong about the flashforward as megan says it is a flashback which will change the game, Jack and Kate knew each other before the island after perhaps being on the island previously and leaving to get to the real world everything is okay for a while jack gets married saves a life or two etc etc but fate brings them together again on the island maybe they are original Hostiles .......... but i doubt it
In my opinion.
if all this is true... they fucked up the best show ever. i'm so pissed off! fuck lost! fuck thos two bastards for ruining a great show! lost sucks huge time!
if not... he-he-he... you got me!
[quote]If this spoiler turns out to be true I really hope that it's a flashback and not a flashforward. And that the big game changing event is that Jack and Kate knew each other before coming to the island and in fact had been there before and elaborately planned their return. That would be shocking... Finding out that Jack makes it off the island and follows in his father's drunk footsteps wouldn't exactly suprise me.[/quote]
Now that would be game changing. That is something we could go back and rewatch all of season 1 and 2 and try and find any clues to that.
Though personally, this was my favorite theory: After the Purge, The Others kept the stations running to put up a front that Dharma was still in control of the island. And the Others were really just trying to reverse the negative effects of experiments and do their own research. But Naomi, sent by Dharma to investigate after the Flame communication station went offline, doesn't radio back w/ a status because the 815 took her tranceiver, so Dharma figures something went wrong and sends an army of Dharma ops to drop onto the island and re-assert control, sending both Losties and Others on the run, and hiding out in "The Ruins."
"I want to read it so bad!!!
must... be... strong...
oh screw that...
WOW...
Wish i had not spoiled it for myself"
Did you type half of that comment and then scroll up to read the summary before scrolling back down to finish the comment? lol
It's amazing...
It's Lost.
It makes sense tom me now: "only fools are enslaved by time and space".
Dark confirmed on another website that the underwater station is called the Looking Glass and that's how he knows this is a spoiler.
[/quote]Laura said...
For all you people saying this isn't a gamechanger, then I would like to hear what would constitute one.
People are also reading into the snake in a mailbox thing the wrong way. If you read the EW interview that C&C did you will see that they call it a snake in the mailbox because it is nutty and deranged. It isn't literal like someone who you wouldn't expect is going to do something evil. It just means that the gamechanger is nuts and that you would have to have balls and be a little nuts yourself to do it. If this doesn't fit that, there is really maybe no ending that could[/quote]
i dont think anyone reading it the wrong way but jack-kate getting off the island you wouldnt have to be nuts and evil and deranged to come up with that.
Also Cliffhangers are suppose to leave us on the edge of our seats wanting more and being able to talk and have thoerys etc on stuff for the nexted 8 months.
And am sorry but jack-kate getting of the island wouldnt excalty be that suprising to call it game chaninging.
It would be a shock and it does raise at least 5 questions.
Like I said though I think the gamechanger has to be something that involves us going back to season 1 and season 2 and trying to find clues for it. Something that makes us go back and look at those episodes in a new light so we say "Son of a bitch, they got me".
Anyway Dark said this is only 30% of whats happening so perhaps there are more to the on island events and the game changer. I like megans theory that it is a flashback and not flashforward. That would definetely be something to go back and look for.
Remember, so far Kate is the only one to admit she was awake for the crash while Jack was the only one we saw wake up....and in the jungle no less.
Seriously would all the Charlie fans riddle me this: why Charlie should live?
If he actually survives they completely castrate the plot development with Desmond's flashes saving him. He has to be saved so he can die doing something important. I think it would be aggrivating to see a season's worth of flashes of Desmond saving Charlie's life only to have him safely strumming his guitar on the beach next season.
ryan - totally agree the press & TPTB try too hard to get their fanbase worked up in histrionics.
steve, if "you don't have to be nuts to come up with this cliffhanger", then how come no one had ever guessed it before?
I've read millions of theories but I've never seen something like this before.
Absolutely brilliant! From the perspective of a writing team, I can see why they would take this direction. You can't possibly continue 3 seasons with flashbacks. They've exhausted their avenues.
The gamechanger is in the way they now approach the show: show the characters in the way that they will be once off the island. It creates new stories, and the day the show ends with them off the island, we'll have closure knowing what became of everyone after being rescued.
Simply brilliant!
Ha, good point, me!
And though i'm not a fan of it (just not a fan of game-changers), you gotta admit it's better than 99% of those theories too!
joe camarda I think you got it all wrong. The show flash forwards into the future. They have been rescued and they have returned to their normal lives.
The flashbacks will now be about how they were rescued and what they have been doing the last 3 or 4 years.
That way Michael and Walt can return to the show since some time has passed and Walt is older now.
The big twist is that for some reason they have to go back to the island!
And I think if Jack someday follows his daddy steps into alcoholism it would be very nice, 'cause he overreacted about that, he was so ready to point a finger to his father...
He could have done the right things and yet had more compassion, he's father was screwing his own life...
Reading some of these posts has really bothered me and me being a devout follower of LOST, will shed some light.
First off, Charlie shouldn't have died. If he doesn't die, it means that Desmond's premonitions can be beaten and the cycle ends. Charlie's character has sucked season 1 and 2, but probably one of the top 3 story arcs has been charlie cheating death and i think it was amazing.
If the spoiler for the finale is true, wow, fucking insane. Jack is the man. The reason He's in the spiral is because he is the typical self sacrificing hero. He will go back.
Kate uses people for her own advantage and doesn't give a fuck.
The original name for Charlie's episode was "The Truth About Lying", right? Reading that, I can't see why it'd be called that.
Saying that, it seems too good to be a foiler. Maybe it's somewhere down the middle.
absolutely true jason. and you are so right about charlie too.
If Charlie was still alive at the end of season 3 that just wouldn't be good drama.
I'm not buying it. No way.
And what then,if it were true? There going to let us know that the losties were able to leave the island and are going to drag this out for three more seasons??
No way. If we know they could get off the island somehow, who is really going to care about Jacob or the fertility problems? Or anything else on island?
This sounds too fishy to me. I SO HOPE its not true. Would really suck.
me because its unoriginal and has been done before with alias and didnt work