My good friend The ODI was at the E!Online Tater Top Awards (E!Online's own TV Awards Ceremony) and he was chatting with Kristin, the one we love/hate ;) Below is the portion from his Blog write up regarding who was originally intended to be in the coffin.
She did drop a interesting tidbit about who was "supposedly" or planned to be in the coffin and that the producers initially planned to show the person but changed their minds because they felt it added to the mystery of the finale....the info was from her sources on the show...but who really knows if that was the writers intent.....???
Sorry guys I didn't get any pictures taken and do not know when they will air, but as soon as I know I will let you know.....All in all I had a great time and I have a completely whole new different view of Kristin...
For those of you that said Ben....nope sorry you were wrong....for those of you that felt it was Michael....nope wrong again.....those who said it is somebody we have not seen before nope wrong once again....BUT for alllll of you that said everyone's favorite hunter Locke....you are right...!!
Like I said this is from Kristin who is known to be a VERY reliable source on LOST but she also did say the writers changed their mind about showing Locke....soooo at this point who knows......maybe they will change their minds again....!!??
Source: The ODI
Was Locke the intended body in the Coffin?
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Sounds a bit weird that the writers put Locke in the coffin. It doesnt add up to the reaction Kate had when she saw the clipping Jack gave her. And the coffin IS too small for John Locke.
Maybe they're just playing with us.
Nah. I don't buy this, really. I don't think the writers would, for one, ever have intended to show 'the person' (inside the coffin) just because it totally contradicts with the whole purpose of the flashback/flashforward in that episode.
And secondly, I don't think Ben or John Locke will ever get off the island. Those are two characters that would rather die there or stay back, than go off the island with a rescue party.
If Kristin saied that Lock is in the coffin i think that is 100% sure. because Kristin have the best sources for Lost because she is a good friend with Damon!!!!!!!!!!!!
Hmmmm, is this the same Kristin that heralded Jack's death in season 3?
Kristin a reliable source? 100% sure? C'mon, don't make me rofl, lol!
I would LOVE to tell everybody TOLD YOU SO! But we'll see when S4 comes...
i trust Kristin so i think this is tru!!!!!!!
this coffin is definitely too small for Locke. and that's not just an illusion of the camera. at comic-con, damon and carleton commented that it looked like a kid's coffin.
totally false. foiler.
"totall false.foiler" How you can be so sure that is foiler.We will see i think is try!!!!!!!!
I remember reading something about that flashforward and that it wasnt the "end" of the show, that is just a part of the timeline adn they will continue you on past being off the island to possibly getting back on or what not, i highly doubt Locke would die or not be in the show until the last episode.
Didn't the obituary the Jack was reading say that the man was survived by a teenage son, that being what led most to believe it was Michael?
Doesn't seem like it fits at all, but I wouldn't use the obit to dismiss it. Sometimes I wonder if those kind of things, that have to be freeze framed and magnified to be read, are really as important clues as we like to imagine.
It fits from an emotional pov, since it's conceivable Kate would be indifferent to Locke, whereas Jack would connect him to the guilt he's feeling. But the only way a big man like Locke would fit in that box is if they cut off his legs.
I think they know by now that people would make a screen grab of the obituary and they probaby had MF hold that piece of paper in such a way that just enough information could be read. I'm also pretty sure that they wouldn't change their minds about something as important as who is in the coffin.
I do think that after the horrible spoiling of the finale last season that it's possible that these "sources" are being told to let go of as much bogus information as they can get people to bite on.
Watching fans and sites like this running around chasing their tales would be great fun to watch if I'm Damon and Carlton and someone ruined my big season ending surprise.
That's not a criticism of any one or any site either, just saying I'd understand why they'd do it and enjoy doing it.
LOL, so the smallness of the coffin is confirmed. Good.
Umm, seems highly UNLIKELY that Locke is in the coffin , I concur with Faith. Maybe they folded him instead of cut off his legs? LOL
In the past 3 years, Kristin hasn't always been right, I tend to feel she may stretch truths or even lie in doing her job, its all about the job she has to do.
He could have lost his legs completely on the island, perhaps the island punishes him. He no longer has the will to stay on the island, being punished so harshly by his beloved island, so he leaves and eventually dies (or more likely, suicide).
I call shenanigans...
Because of the obit stating that the deceased left behind a teenage son, most of us assumed it's Michael. However, the obit also gave another clue - the name Johnathan which btw is Locke's 1st name.
As of today, I'll try to stay away from the spoiler section - it just ruins the story telling for me! Plus, I'm kinda misty eyed thinking about Locke being in that casket!
This sounds legit. Plus, it makes for an interesting story.
I don't understand how people can even think that it is somebody else than Locke. :D I mean... the flash in the episode ALWAYS has some substantial connection to the on-island story and the revolving "not supposed"-part of dialogue, first spoken by Locke and then by Jack just a minute later simply rings.
And besides... nobody else makes sense so far for Jack to wanna kill himself because of that person's death. Locke and Jack always had a quarrel about the meaning and importance of the island and in the end Jack saw Locke was right - that's what we know for sure from the flash forward.
And one more thing - where on Comic Con did Darlton say that about the coffin? It was nowhere in the transcripts and I saw a videoof their whole panel and they didn't say anything about the size of the coffin. I firmly believe they made the coffin look smaller in some angles on purpose.
I thought it might be Locke because the close up of the paper clipping said Johathan Latham. Very similar to Johnathan Locke.
i don't trust the odi
also, why in the world would kristen just divulge that information to some random person at this awards ceremony? How do we know she wasn't just humoring the odi?
not that it isn't locke, but as razzle dazzle and doc arzt (at his site) pointed out, the comment that they 'thought about showing the body' sort of gives away that this info isn't true. they weren't going to give away that it was a flashforward halfway through the episode....
I agree. It sounds bogus, and is either Kristin humouring ODI, or ODI just putting extra spin on his attendance at the Tater Tots. I find it far more plausible that it was Michael. From the point of view of guilt over what he'd done, the fact that the obit guy had a teenage son and was from New York. Also the fact that the PTB tried really really hard to get Harold Perrineau back for the finale but failed to get him. Which scene would he have been in? My guess is that they were going to show HIM in the coffin. Wouldn't that have blown everyone away considering we have no idea what happened to Mike after he betrayed them and left the island with Walt?
However, this would have given the FF idea away, so my theory is flawed obviously. The same applies for Locke being shown in the coffin too, before the reveal of Kate at the end.
I personally think LOCKE will die & remain buried on the island, like Ben & Richard. {His true home}. The coffin is way too small for him & I still believe it's Michael's. I ain't dissing Kristen, or anyone else for that matter, but seriously wud Cuse or Lindlelof really actually tell her this way before Season 4 actaully airs? Come on guys!!
HAHAHA....
as always i love reading everyone's comments about anything that i post...
there are people that will just never accept the info i post....there are people that do NOT agree and try to knock the info because they are not ready to accept a different alternative...and then there are others that read the info and accept it for what it is....a fan just reporting what he knows or has experienced....
1) i never said kristin is absolutely right just that she is known to be a "reliable" source of info....there is a reason WHY every major spoiler site (including dark, lost-forum, spoilerfx just to name a few) posts her info in their spoilers section...
plus, she did tell me that her sources with the show told her this info...and she did say the writers changed their mind...about showing who it was...so anything is possible....meaning what they wanted to do initially and what they will do could be two different things...
also i never said she told me that D&C told her this info...just her "sources"...
2) all of you who feel i am full of it because the writers would not show locke and ruin the surprise....wellll guess what maybe that was part of the reason they changed their minds in the first place...BTW no one ever said that they were going to show locke OR the person in the coffin mid way through the finale and if they wanted to show who it was i am sure they would've done it in a way to preserve the surprise...
3) there is much more to my blog where i explain the whole experience i had at the awards and her telling me about locke in the coffin was just a minor part of the whole experience...i believe dark posted the rest of the blog in his news section...
4) i have no reason to lie or make things up....if i wanted to make things up or as ZORIAH stated...put an "extra spin".....i could've said anything outrageous and said my source told me this info and then not come back to clarify for you guys even further.....
but i did not do that...i explained my experience, told you all how lucky i was and then decided to share the info with you....i could've just held on to it and not said anything, but i know we are all hardcore lost fans and i felt like you should all know this info...
5) as far as kristin "humoring" me...well...like i said read the whole blog to see my FULL experience with her....all i can say is she was quite sincere and there are other things she did tell me that i have not posted and out of respect for her and her job i will not post the info...
btw i was NOT the only one at the show....there were many others and she was the same way with each and everyone of us....she took her time out before during and after the taping to meet with each of us and talk....she even offered all of us to join her and her staff for drinks and i know a few people did...
so contrary to what many believe about her....whether you believe her info or not....hate her....or like her....she is a great person and that from the beginning to the end, Kristin and her WHOLE staff were quite welcoming and great hosts....
btw...i have lived in LA my whole life and have many friends that work in the TV/Movie industry so i am pretty sure i know when some one is "humoring" me or being fake...
thanks for reading...
-the odi
I said it once before and I'll say it again, Kristen is an arse kissing fangirl who happens to have an amazing job, pity.
I guess I don't buy it because of the enormous burst of laughter it elicited when I tried to get confirmation. My guess would be Kristin is theorizing. Kristin is dangerous when she theorizes, after the flashforward reveal she theorized that all flashbacks were actually flashforwards. How could that even make sense since they have explained things like how people got on 815, how claire got pregnant, why jack was in aussie... okay going off topic, but you see what I mean. She's sweet, but a loon.
Why would he change his name from John Locke to John Lantham...? And what's with the teenage son?? Maybe he escaped with Karl and they were posing as father and son. But NO it can't be Locke because that would make him DEAD!!! O.O
I think it's more probable that it's Sawyer...
He uses aliases, so nobody would know who he was when he died (except probably Jack and Kate), so nobody would show up.
Maybe Sawyer will do something bad in the future...
And Kate wouldn't want to go to Sawyer's funeral? Highly unlikely. Even more unlikely is Jack sobbing over a dead Sawyer. No, they don't hate one another, but they're not BFF either.
Unless Locke goes totally and completely bonkers over the next 2 seasons, I highly doubt it's him.
I still say Michael. It fits the reaction and the scene perfectly (That is, in the inner city)
I'm sticking with Michael as well.
It's all in the timeline.
I think everyone biggest mistake in Lost is that no one takes in account the space between the flashbacks that are shown during a show. Most assume we are seeing them in order and that minimal time has passed between them. We have only seen the tip of the iceberg with Lost.
I am also a stong believer that the show's original path has changed due to fans and the media; either with correctly guessing the outcome of certain events, or by substituting planned "Major" character deaths with "lesser" characters, because of fan popularity. Think of what the reaction would be if a beloved character like Locke, Sawyer, Hurley, Jack, or Kate, died mid-season. People would be outraged.
Anything script can change until it it aired on television. Take for instance the shark with the Dharma logo on it. They played that off a as prank by someone in the editing room. I think that is a bunch of boloney.
Kristin has been correct in the past with many things, could it be that now she has gained so much trust in fans, that she could turn into a mis-information junkie?
As far as who's in the coffin, I have made my guesses on this site many times for several different reasons. No one is safe from being in the coffin, not even Jack(I'll elaborate) Jack can also be a nickname short for Jonathan. With the new developments of the "Casmir Effect" and the rabbits, who knows, there could be(dare I say) a clone of Jack that died. I've heard "Cloning" has been dismissed, but I think the writers are working around that term and just using another theory.
All I've heard is that everything on this show can be explained by science, but since I'm not a scientist(and don't play one on tv)I'll take their word for it, have my own "Kooky" theories, and enjoy the ride for another 2 years.
Why would it be Michael?
The name is Jonathan with the last name being changed. I believe it's Locke as well. If it were Michael, why wasn't Walt at the wake?
In the latest podcast, DL and CC asked the listener who they thought was in the coffin and they said Locke and DL and CC, both said "interesting..." in a your right tone. Just my observation.
It would appear that Kristin was right after all...