Here we have the first part of the an Insiderscoop like synopsis for Episode 4.01 - The Beginning of the End. This is from my Season 2 Source who has up until now remained Anonymous. He's called "Post Produxtion" and we will be seeing more of his posts during Season 4 and will probably replace Insiderscoop as I've not heard from him since Season 3 finale. "Post Produxtion" will likely to be giving us full synopsis of the upcoming episodes well in advance of the episodes airing.
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WOW... Just.. WOW. So Jack's really pissed off. I mean.. first the submarine, then naomi... You just GOT to love Locke.
very well done and very interesting,
cant wait for the blog bitching to start up again ! LOL :P
Cheers Dark, few questions though:
When will you put up part 2 (please oh please don't leave me halfway through for long)
You mentioned that "Post Produxtion" will likely be giving us full synopsis of other upcoming episodes.. how many episodes has your source seen and if he is going to write them up for us, when do you think we will see them on the site?
As for this part.. wow, Christian = Jacob? how does that work?!
I didn't read the spoiler, but I hate Locke, can't stand him.
I love this new spoiler guy.I have to say he is a bit anti Locke,but thats cool with me.
Kudos DarkUFO. This epi is way better than I expected, and so no more spoilers for me (so help me Jacob)
Jack and Locke are both really annoying me. Love the Sawyer and Hurley scenes my favourite charactors. Gotta hand it to Kate you can never trust her but ends up doing the wrong thing anyway.
What about poor Claire who will look after her and Aaron now (Desmond). The creepy cabin is very interesting as well as what Ben is hiding!
Does anyone think that the 6 survivors are actually protecting the ones alive left on the island. Maybe they are in hiding and only 6were left to actually live!
Just a thought.
I love this format being used for the spoilers. Nice clear text and no loading problems. Regarding the spoilers, it was amazing how much of this wasn't actually new. Avid spoiler readers will have already read about, seen or surmised about 75% of it. But still appreciated very much.
Thank you Dark for the spoiler,you rock!.And will you give us a spoilers for episode 2?
OMG!!! Just read the spoiler and yet again I wish I hadn't!!! BUT...now I cannot wait for the rest! Looks like season 4 is gonna be a great one!
AAARRRGGHHHH ! I want to read them, but I cannot go past 1:00... The video starts again from the beginning ! Could someone help me ?
The video is broken on me; after 00:38 it goes to the back of the video, whenever I refresh the page, it still does the same thing... How can I read the rest of them??? Is there anyway to put this video as a YouTube video or something?
great idea to make a video out of the spoiler series!
I read and it is exactly what i expected from what i saw only by abc official stuff!
It confirms the previous spoilers, which causes discussions, are not really spoilers, more a kind of attempt to mess up with fans!
I am still thrilled to watch the episodes, nothing can makes up with Lost original!
Awesome stuff about the "they're alive, aren't they" to Hurley in the looney bin.
And what's the deal with Jack being willing to shoot Locke? Jack's getting worse and worse.
For those who read it...
WTF, about the finale. We already knew that Juliet was working for the others, she told Jack.
ARgh, only 4 days. Can I wait and not see this?!
Hurley seems to know that people they left behind are alive, but Lance Reddick's character doesn't even though he suspects it.
How come?
In how many parts has this synopsis been divided and when will the other parts be posted?
OMG. I just realized that the info given is not the finale of the episode. Just the first part of the synopsis.LOL
You mentioned that "Post Produxtion" will likely be giving us full synopsis of other upcoming episodes.. how many episodes has your source seen and if he is going to write them up for us, when do you think we will see them on the site?
Post Produxtion, as well as
at least four other sources have already seen all eight episodes.
We hope to post these synopsis before each new episode, but no promises.
Dark you rock! good way to put it up
LOL at aliasledger. I had the same reaction when the word "To Be continue" pops at the end. WTF
Man, I can't wait for the other parts. What did Hurley saw that freaked him out? This is killing me!
I hope Post Produxion (nice honest name) remembers not to editorialize. Unless Locke says what he plans to use Hurley for, those kind of things are what all viewers get to interpret for themselves.
Nice to see Kate's back to scamming Jack just minutes after his grand proclamation of love. Ha!
Wonder if Jacob is Christian or if they propped his corpse in a chair to use as part of a scam. Because Christian actually being Jacob? That would make him basically the most important character in the mythology. He'd have to have been involved in all this even back when Jack was still growing up. This would all be like Christian's World, wouldn't it?
I like Kate and the walkie talkie move. So like season 1! =)
I've just watched/read the spoilers, and - WOW! It's nice to know that this is the first part of the spoilers for episode 1. I wonder who is Naomi's sister, what freaks Hurley out, why is Juliet a traitor, and how come Christian is Jacob? This makes me to think like Jacob is the black smoke, and it also shapes itself as Christian. That's all I can guess about. But why Juliet is a traitor (or betrayer I don't know)???
I loved Kate being independent and sneakily pulling a 'hug' con on Jack who won't trust her abilities. Very season one.
Poor Hurley!!! It's going to suck seeing him playing Connect Four. And the scenes with Claire and Hurley dealing with news of Charlie's death are going to be real tearjerkers.
Interesting that Jack cold-bloodedly tried to kill Locke who was unarmed and defenseless on the ground. I guess he's not that different from Sawyer after all. He's definitely a man of his word, in any case.
So is Jacob inhabiting Christian's body? That part was really creepy and bizarre.
@ Gokhan,
I think Locke is meaning the part where he gave the tape recorder to Sawyer to take back to the group to warn them about Juliet still working with Ben and there being a raid on the camp planned to steal the women. Locke doesn't realise that was all sorted out already.
Well, Anne, I think it's not about the tape that Juliet is betrayer anymore, I think she's got something more. But you may be right too; if we consider that non of the characters usually tell the revealed secrets to each other, somebody might not know who is who, then your theory becomes true. But if John accuses Juliet as a betrayer about the tape, then Jack may become more angry to him. :D
I guess Charlotte is supposed to be Naomi's sister. Not that they look alike.
Locke was with the Others, so he won't know that the tape issue with Juliet working for Ben was resolved. That's my guess, anyways. ;)
I agree anne and quick question darkufo when will the nexted parts for season 4 episode 1 be coming.
sounds great cant wait to watch it.
Hey dark! Great spoilers. Just wondering when it says to be continued at the end does that mean that there is more to come on this episode? Or does it mean more to come with the second episode?
Yes, as stated in the original post this is the first part. We hope to post the 2nd part later this week.
Blast! I can only get 1:45 out of it (thru #4) and it goes back to the DarkUfo screen. Good idea, but not fair to us with "slow" computers who want to read but can't seem to. Been having trouble with all these new videos stopping early, except the HQ version of the trailers do OK.
Hope the whole season isn't like this. Very dissapointing. Sniff.
I don't think Charlotte is Naomi's sister. I bet she's a flashback character in the second episode. That episode is a Freighter centric episode if I'm not mistaken.
If that's the whole episode then, well.... meh. From the sounds of it the second episode continues directly from where this one left off.
I know we're not allowed to say this but I don't think I'll actually bother watching the episode. Although I live in the UK and don't have sky 1 so I probably wouldn't have been able to anyway, but what I mean is i won't even try to download it illegally now. Ain't I a saint?
Thanks for this Dark :)
When will part two be up - just to know for those of us who are biting at the chomp! lol
OMG! Thanks dark it sounds awesome god i cannot wait till thursday!!!!!!!
looking forward to part 2
and thanks to post produxtion for the spoilers yay!!!!!!
Having just re-read this page I realize now that this was only part of the first episode spoilers. So I retract my previous statement. For now ;)
i like the christian=jacob part. its very interesting. Makes me think about jack and claires ties to the island
"The cop comes back and tells him how he knew a girl who was on Flight 815, named Ana Lucia, and if he knew her."
Wow...that just sounds strange and eery. Every other "connection" we saw - Locke's boss and Hurley's boss being one and the same, for example = was OUR "inside secret", if that makes sense.
Now that the characters are conscious of connections between each other, that's what makes it a new, scary story for me. I'm pretty sure them working out all of their connections is gonna open up the story in a big, new way.
I was always unsure what part the future played in the show, and now I know. And it'll be weird to watch each character start to work out their connections to each other.
Anyone else think the same?
I don't think Christian is Jacob.. I think Hurley saw an apparation of Christian that's being controlled by Jacob (same with all the other apparations on the island, imo) and the eye that Hurley saw at the end of the scene was Jacob watching him. 2 different entities.
It's not like he saw ChristianJacob on one side of the room and his eyeball on a completely seperate side. Jacob is NOT Christian, plus didn't they already say that Jacob wouldn't be someone we'd already seen before?
First of all, a huge thanks to Dark & Post Produxtion {who has a cool catchy username}. I liked how u did the spoiler & the ending with; to be continued capped it off.
- I cant wait to see Lance Reddick in action in the mental institute. Why does Hurley want to go back there; is it cos of what happened on the island, with those jinxed numbers & the stuff with Jacob?
- I personally think the deal with Jacob/Christian is just a scam!! Whose idea behind it, I don't know...maybe Ben's? But I sure as hell love the scenes with Jacob.
- Locke pointing to Juliet as the traitor was cool but I think the REAL traitor is actually Michael, striking yet another deal with Ben.
May eventually explain the whose in the coffin issue?
- Who is Naomi's sister, does she have connections to Charlotte or even the rest of the Freighter people? Is Naomi sister the one who arranged the fake plane crash in the bottom of the sea in the middle of the Pacific?
Dark; How much is there left of Part 2? I can't wait til next week to see Part 2!!
I know a lot of people think Christian is alive, but considering he would have already been autopsied and prepared for burial (Considering Jack was going to bury his father as soon as he got off the plane, according to his flashback) I don't think so.
You can't fake your death when they've already cut you open and scoured your organs for a cause of death. If it was as easy as seeing an empty bottle next to a body in a ditch and automatically concluding that the cause of death was alcohol poisoning; murder would be a lot easier to fake lol.
I think the reason Jack said "Go ask my father" in his flash-forward was because he was high on pills and a bit messed up over everything that had happened to him.
I know another theory is that Christian faked his death with a payoff in the morgue and just had Jack in to identify the "body" and take an empty casket home and was secretly on the plane... but this isn't a soap opera and that's a little contrived and conspiracy-like to me. Then again, stranger things have happened. -_-;;
Wow, the biggest surprise is that there aren't many surprises here. Seems like the majority of it has already been spoiled or surmised.
Now that Hurley is back in the institution, I wonder if he'll find out Libby was there.
Jack DID pull the trigger! Now that was a surprise. I guess he's finally decided the ends justify the means. To get off the island, it's OK to let Sayid, Jin, Bernard be murdered and it's OK to kill Locke. Wonder what else he's gonna think is OK.
Apparently, Sawyer has no reaction to Kate being missing when the groups meet up.
BTW, love that Kate tricked Jack again. Why does he trust her?
Nuts.
I think it's funny Locke couldn't kill Jack or his dad, but yet Jack would put a bullet into Locke's head. He did this in front of everyone and it might be the reason most survivors go with Locke.
When can we expect Part 2?
It's time for Locke to go! I'm sick of him and all his decisions he makes without anyone else.
On a side note, it does look like if Jack AND Hurley are messed up in the future, it could mean that Ben was right all along.
Of course, I'm still not ruling out the Ocean 6 Pact theory, where all 6 promised to go back to get the others - so that is why they are upset because they can't help them.
But somehow, I don't see Hurley getting as upset as Jack. Well, maybe. Hrmmmm
Wait, who's to say most the survivors go with Locke?
There's no proof that the majority go with him.
Also, I don't see why the majority would go with him. Especially after all that he has done (even if he claims it was for the greater good) - his methods were shady at best.
He was doing this crap all the way back in season 1. Remember when he knocked out Sayid when they were trying to locate the radio tower?
I was thinking it would be more like the group splits down the middle.
Altho Locke has pretty much made it clear he DOES NOT want to get off the island, or let anyone else get off. So why a bunch of people wouldn't want to get off is beyond me.
Keep them coming Dark!
Locke's a prick; sorry....he talks about how Juliet's a traitor and yet he's just like her....he wants something, would do anything for it and damned are the rest of them. I truly believe he doesn't give a flying jellybean fart about any of them, he just wants to stay on the island and those that hang with him are going to realize this......and kick his ass.
Great spoilers though, makes me WAY more curious as to what the hell is keeping them from telling the truth in the flash forwards and Kate swiping the walkie....doesn't shock me. Reminds me of when she insisted on carrying the dynamite in the S1 finale; she always has to be involved with everything and nine times out of ten if she had just stayed the frig back it would've turned out better.
One final thing, I was hoping to have Desmond give Claire Charlie's list he wrote, still hoping that occurs.
Yeah, can't believe that Kate is gonna swipe the satellite phone right after Jack tells her he loves her. And Jack going to kill Locke in cold blood...geez
WOHHHHHHHHHHHH that was dangerous...
Jack pulling the triger when locke didn´t attack him?
Again locke is not the bad guy, jack do the "bad guy" part this time.
Now the big thing: Locke says that naomi is the traitor.
It could be about the tape... but i don´t think so.
John talked with ben on the way to jacob place. After that john is back because of his father con that got his kidney. Walt comes by to rescue him.
What did walt sayed to john? john locke knows something very big like we saw on the previews:
"they are here not for us" "you are not our primary mission"
So a little guess:
Juliet is dharma and inflitrated into mittelos unit to get access to the island. That´s why she can betray ben and join up with the losties to get in contact with dharma.
And walt gave that intel to john after getting him out of the pit.
Locke is an intriguing character, but he is extremely selfish. It's one thing if he doesn't want to be rescued. He could have went off into the jungle and they never would have found him anyway. But he has actively prevented and/or sabotaged every other person's attempt to be rescued. He had a BIG part in Boone's death, his pigheadedness (is that a word?) resulted in the hatch implosion. The list goes on and on. Yet the only Lostie who knows his secret is Sawyer. And that is because Locke had to get Sawyer to do something he didn't have the guts to do. Sometimes I like Locke but other times I agree with Jack. I just want to punch him in the face. And while it seems as if the boat people aren't good news, I still have to wonder why does everyone assume that Locke's "connection" to the island is a good thing? Sure, he can walk. Everyone says Locke is the one with more information. From whom? Ben the liar, Walt the apparition, Boone the whatever? Why trust this info given to Locke?
Melissa, Locke is still my fav, even though I agree with much of what you said. BUT, if Locke is really in touch with the island, he may know what is best for all . . . kinda like Ben, whom I think may not be such a bad guy when all is revealed.
who is Naomi's sister??! ahh i can't wait!
Am I missing something? The spoilers I can see doesn´t say anything about Kate stealing the walike from Jack or Naomi being the traitor?
Could Naomi's sister be Michael's ex-girlfriend?
Could it be that Susan Lloyd faked her death in order to thrust Walt with Michael and get them both on the island?
Michael was then forced through with a plan unbeknownst to him at the time: maybe killing Libby was the main purpose - maybe she was actually on Desmond's side ala the ring lady and the monk.
So basically:
Freighters and Naomi and Susan (and Michael, forceably without his knowledge) vs Ring lady and the monk and Desmond and Libby?
Ben knows of that and knows those time-travelly people are the real good guys? Juliet is a traitor to THE OTHERS (and has always been) because she's on the Freighters' side. It's her that tries to get Jack to think that the Freighters are the good guys, not Ben and the time-travellers.
I enjoy Locke. I do. But if I were on the island with him, I'd have lost patience a long time ago. I alternate between thinking he is wise and thinking that the "island" or "Jacob" or whatever uses him because he is incredibly susceptible. He's naive. He believes because he wants to have something to believe in. Much in the way he kept clinging to his dad after he trampled him time and time again. Rose was apparently cured also. It would seem as if Jin's fertility problems were solved. Locke isn't the only one to experience the "healing powers" of the island. One other thing a little off topic that I have often wondered about is why Juliet had such faith in "Jacob" when Ben told her that he would heal her sister. Why did Juliet, somewhat logical, believe in Jacob's power? What had she seen? She surely would have been skeptical to say the least. She had watched several women die without Jacob intervening to save them. I've always wondered what made her believe in him.
wow, i cannot wait for the second part. Jack is showing signs of losing it. He just annoys me so much, he nevers listens to any ones advice. Team LOCKE!!!
Anyone with tips on where to find the music? I'm assuming it's from Lost, if anyone could confirm that, and possibly a track title, that'd be awesome.
Anyone with tips on where to find the music? I'm assuming it's from Lost, if anyone could confirm that, and possibly a track title, that'd be awesome.
The song is from Season 2 Soundtrack and is called Hurley's Handout.
Hope that helps.
The song is from Season 2 Soundtrack and is called Hurley's Handout.
Hope that helps.
Thanks Dark. The song title fits nicely with the spoiler. ;)
One more question..is it you putting these videos together? Or the Post Produxion guy? And where is the new spoilertv logo?
When we will we get the second part, Dark?
Awesome! Can't wait till part two.
1) I put the videos together from the info given to be by my source.
2) SpoilerTV logo goes in the spoilertv site ;) This is still darkufo.
3) 2nd Part will be sometime between now and Episode 4.01 airing. When I get the 2nd half I will make the video and post.
Not to nitpick....but, this spoiler says that everyone notices Naomi has disappeared before Ben's conversation with Rousseau, where he asks her to take Alex and leave.
But, if you watch the sneak peeks, we can clearly see Naomi's body in the foreground when Ben and Rousseau have their talk.
Thanks for the spoiler, and thanks for a part 2. I'm not gonna read on (I hope). I think we pretty much knew all of this so far from sneak peaks, so I wasn't surprised (thank god!).
Spoilers are cool, but I've never read them b4. I don't think they will take away from my shock of the episodes, but I'm not willing to risk it anymore, no matter how hard it may be!
Thanks Dark!
could anyone type out what it sais?
it stopped after the second one.
please. :)
p.s. Andrew Sparkes.. That's so smart!! And it also relates to the idea that other characters were forced onto the island: Claire and the Psychic.
I couldn't read the part about Naomi having a sister, just what everyone on here has said...But I'll take a guess. Maybe Penelope is Naomi's sister from another mother. Perhaps she is there searching for Des on Daddy Widmore's behalf.
Christian is not necessarily Jacob just because he's in the same chair.
The eye in the cabin may belong to Locke, who shows up after Hurley runs from the cabin and falls. *Someone* was talking in the cabin, and Locke can hear Jacob.
Is the billboard in the opening sequence an Oceanic billboard?
Does Hurley steal an Apollo bar?
What did he see in the convenience store? What does he see in the police room "window" (a one-way mirror)?
I'm curious. When is swiping a walkie a horrific crime or betrayal? Yea, Kate was a bit sneaky, but it wasn't like she completely betrayed Jacks trust therefore resulting in an almost slap in the face to his declaration of love. She knew there was another trail, she knew Naomi probably went that way and so when Jack didn't listen to her, she went on her own.
Considering the extreme circumstances, and the fact that we know that Jack is going to come unwound, there has to be a place where we see that beginning to happen. His response to Locke shocking to see, but not so surprising once you think about it.
There are people who are charismatic and when they say things, people listen. There are other people who are not that way and regardless of if they're right or wrong, most people will not listen to them. I think someone like Locke is accustomed to feeling as though he has a great bit of knowledge, but being ignored and passed off. So, now he's learning to manipulate as a means to getting done what he believes needs to be done. Whereas, Hurley, at least on the island, is learning is own type of self-empowerment.
It's interesting to see how they've all evolved or de-evolved, lol.
What bewilders me though is how there's still a question as to if Ben is good or evil. He dehumanized Kate and Sawyer by sticking them in animal cages and feeding them animal food. He mentally tortured them and Jack as well. He mass murdered a whole town of people, along with Richard and the others. It's true, we don't know why, but we do know that children were killed too. Yes? What sin could children have committed that would justify that? When I hear someone say well, we don't really know if the others are really all that bad I just quote Ana Lucia. Naw, they're not all that bad " They just drag you out in the jungle every now and then. No harm done."
OOhhh, now I got it. The Jacob scene happens right in that clip from the five sneak peaks. Sawyer tries to get Hurley to talk, and then Hurley winds up wandering off alone and then he hears whispers. Ohh.
Anyway, I also wanted to point out that because we are getting the info from someone who's seen the episode, we're undoubtedly going to get a small amount of interpretation and also there's certainly going to be fine details that aren't going to be exactly correct or pointed out. That's to be expected. That's kind of why it never bothers me to be spoiled. Because you can't duplicate those small nuances like facial expressions, body language, tone of voice, atmosphere.
Anyway, thanks Dark and Post Produxtion for some pretty cool spoilers:)
I think both Ben and Locke believe that they must "protect" the island and they will do that by whatever means necessary. I'm with you, Lionqueen, on the things that Ben has done. I think that we viewers will have to decide if Ben is a lesser of two evils. And I'm guessing he probably will be the lesser and we will, at some point, enjoy his manipulations more when (and if) they come at the expense of the Boatie people, not our Losties (who we love).
It's funny that the cliff-hanger for this half of the spoilers is... Locke acting like Karl! He doesn't realize that they all know Juliet is a traitor yet and is trying to gain some sympathy with it.
But I'm surprised that's only half the episode, because I thought this was enough information to be packed into one episode!
Maybe it's just because I'm used to less information taking up more space at the beginning of a season (I'm talking to you, first six-episode pod of season three).
OMG I can't believe the last line!
1. What's the big deal about Kate swiping the sat phone from Jack? We have seen worse. I guess the reason why she took it is explained in Eggtown episode.
2. That eye in Jacob's cabin was really Locke's? Have to go check it again...H
Hurley seeing Christian (or Smokey dressed in Christian) in the cabin reminds me when Locke saw Eko's brother... How can they see people they never met? Because the visions are mostly from one's past. Whatever Locke knows, I guess Hurley will know too.
3. I agree with Melissa about Naomi's sister. It could be Penny. Not much likeness though... even for stepsisters :)
4. So, the creepy guy from Oceanic is not aware of the "deal" made and doesn't know they are lying about the other survivers? Weird.
5. OMG! Jack tried to kill Locke for real? I took his threat like a bravado to impress Kate :) I thought he would never be capable of killing someone (besides the euthanasia, of course). Good thing they will be far from each others throat for sometime.
Lucky you who will be able to watch it Thursday night...
Thanks a lot Dark and Post Produxtion. I really enjoyed the way it was presented.
Cheers!
Just a quick observation/question concerning the freighties: Has anyone ever considered they are Dharma? Perhaps they have been looking for the island ever since they lost contact with them, and now want their revenge. Wasn't it stated somewhere that one of the mission objectives for the freighties is to kill Ben? Just a thought.
It's not a big deal or big betrayal IMO. But it does possibly show that
a) Despite his declaration of love, Jack doesn't appear to trust Kate's judgment and is still bossing her around.
b) Jack didn't see the hug con coming, and see through her (what I assume will be) Monica act. This is in direct contrast to what happens in Ep 4 with Sawyer who seems to have her pegged from the get go.
c) Despite Jack's declaration, Kate will still do her own thing if she thinks she's right, and to heck with Jack.
And in this case, it would appear the writers have allowed Kate to be in the right, and be successful in finding Naomi. I'm glad she gets her tracking ability back again finally and that she gets to handle Naomi all by herself. No damsel in distress in need of saving.
Thanks Dark !!
Love the new setup.
I'm calling it Naomi has a twin sister !!
This way we will get the actress playing Naomi back on Lost but as her twin.
"BAD TWIN"
Whats everyone think ?
Why would Lance Riddick's character - Matthew Abbadon - not know of the remaining survivors on the island (or rather, not have all the facts)?
Here's what I want to know. #1 - what is keeping the O6 from telling the truth and what would happen if they did? #2 - what drives Hurley back to the institution? #3 - why is Kate so adamant that they don't and are TPTB seriously going to paint her that much of a selfish beyatch that she doesn't care about those left on the island? (which rotates back to #1)
i think that christian was the someone on the plane without a ticket.
also i think that naomi's sister is penny...
@ahrean2007
She doesn't come off as selfish to me. In the S3 FF she was practically crying, remember?
Transcript from TTLG:
JACK: I've been flying a lot.
KATE: What?
JACK: Yeah that golden pass that they gave us. I, I've been using it. Every Friday night I, I fly from LA to Tokyo or, Singapore, Sydney. [Laughs] And then I, I get off and I, have a drink, and then I fly home.
KATE: Why?
JACK: Because I wanted to crash, Kate. I don't care about anybody else on board. Every little bump we hit or turbulence, I mean I, I actually close my eyes and I pray that I can get back.
[Kate looks near tears as does Jack]
KATE: This is not gonna change.
JACK: No, I'm sick of lying. We made a mistake.
KATE: I have to go. He's gonna be wondering where I am...
[Jack grabs her]
JACK: We were not supposed to leave.
KATE: Yes, we were.
There's nothing to suggest here that she's being selfish at all - she's not the one who doesn't care if people on the plane get killed. We now know who HE is and that gives her a hugely compelling reason not to want to risk her life going back to the island, even if there are friends still alive there. Plus there are conditions placed on her from the 4.04 episode which also give her a significant reason not to try to go back.
I am not elaborating in case some people don't want to know detailed spoilers from 4.04.
@ anne - I know what you're referring to but I have to wonder at the contrast between her and Jacks state of mind. I'm sorry but I have to disagree about kate right now. She is all about herself to a point, imho only. A selfless person doesn't take a dead womans identification to pass off as her own and try to cheat her way onto a raft. And her reaction to what Jack's saying, I disagree. I took it as "too bad, so sad." and I know her motivation, but it isn't truly hers anyways and if the true owner of that motivation is still out there then she should want to do what's right.
Wow...I am so excited to watch it again. I have so missed it.
Either, it is way on and very moving....especially the Claire realizes Charlie's dead.
Or, it is very wrong and we will have been greatly fooled.
I don't see a 50/50 here.
@Ahrean2007
Yes we are going to have to disagree. I never argued that Kate was selfless. Just that her actions in the FF's that we know about so far do not paint her as being a selfish beyatch as you described. If anything, she's showing much more maturity and responsibility off island in the future. Her priorities are clear, and I think it shows her in a really strong and positive light. I think her moving on for the sake of Him, is totally understandable and laudable.
Of course, we don't know all the details behind the O6's silence or why Kate ended up with Him. However, I am giving her the benefit of the doubt until we see the actual circumstances.
I personally think any reasonably sane person would not be buying into or humoring Jack's delusional drugged out ravings to go back. Especially when his clever solution is to ride on planes hoping they crash. Regardless of their feelings of regret and desire to help those left behind.
It's clear they've argued about this issue before ad nauseum (if you go by the script notes). But I saw compassion there when she was telling him (essentially) to let it go. YMMV.
@ anne- you make great points but yes, we will disagree. What drove Jack to that drugged state? What drove Hurley to the institution again? I'd like to think Kate feels that level too, even with that other thing that can't be named. And to that, if there was a shot at the other thing being united with it's origin, wouldn't she want that? I hope so because otherwise, in my eyes, she's just what I said, a selfish beyatch.
Btw, what does YVMM mean?
lol i was reading the sscript and on i think part 3 i stopped and i was like i cant i have to wait.. its like i wanna kno but i dont wanna kno i want to be surprised lol but it sucks with an other 2 days wait and finalllyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy LOST IS BACK ON!!!oh yea lol cant wait!!!
So what is Hurley seeing that freaks him out? I think one of two things.
1. The numbers. He saw the numbers on the back of the candy bar and freaked. Same thing as in the police station. He's cracked, or he really is being haunted by them.
2. Jacob. Could Jacob want off of the island? Could he have gotten off?
Wow, LOVED it. Accept for the Juliet part. Got totally lost there. lol lost, guess its in the name. Hopefully shes not what Locke says, they've done that tp her once already.
@ahrean2007
Hurley was institutionalised before prior to the crash on island, because he felt he was responsible for people dying in the deck accident. On island he's felt he was cursed by the numbers and causing bad things to happen to those around him. So it isn't a stretch that he's once again having mental problems. (or is he?)
Jack has had ample set up for him to become a neurotic drunk/druggie due to his family history, his control freak tendencies and the pressures of his profession. We already know he's obsessive, can't let things go, and takes failure way too personally. Again not a stretch as to how devastated he's become in the future.
Kate appears to be coping with her new responsibilities. Sayid appears to be reconciled to his new life.
We're both making assumptions as to how Kate ended up with Him. I am assuming something more final, or a promise made at a critical point. You are assuming something more sinister, but there are aspects of 4.04 that don't support that in my opinion.
YMMV = Your mileage may vary. *grin*
Is the clip supposed to stop at 03.26? I cant read anything about the Juliette things meantioned above... :(
things really are moving along quickly. its a nice change of pace. this first half of episode one feels nearly like a complete episode by the old standards.
hell, in a previous season the events in the first half of this episode could have filled up 3 solid episodes lol.
cant wait to read part 2.
i think kate is the traitor. not juliet. they never explained kate's lunch date with ben on the beach in 3.01. makes no sense. i think she's working for ben and has been. why else would she try to jack the phone?
Try this on for size: Naomi's sister is...
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Nadia. Think about it.
im assumming the spoiler seems long because its a 2 hours episode...
It looks pretty kewl. I have this feeling that show producers are gonna mix flash forward and flashbacks to confuse us. I won't be surprised if we haven't seen flash forwards before Through the looking glass. I am not sure, it's just a hunch but I think some episodes of season 3 might actually be flash forwards even though we feel it's flashback.
I am becoming quiet tired of Jack... He is indulging his own self-fish need to be a savior instead of looking at the bigger picture. And his closed mindedness is becoming tiresome. I am becoming annoyed by him... and a little by locke as well. They both seem weak but in different ways. I have found myself to be much more into scenes that Sawyer and Desmond are in... mainly because I don't think thier minds are made up on what's going on... which seems smart to me...
ok so I don't mind the minor spoilers. who says what? who attacks who? but I hated to find out an island secret of who is Jacob. I wish I hadn't found that out because I love when Lost surprises me like that.
latest mobisode also related to Jacob identity.
I cannot see the video, not working on my computer, is there a text version available for these spoilers?
I love this new spoiler format, but I'm not very keen on each one coming in 2 parts (with the 2nd part to follow LONG after the 1st).
Thanks Dark & Post!
Awesome!
just wanted to say i like how you did this spoiler. i haven't watched it but I liked that it gave me a chance to turn back even after I hit the button to see what was there.
WHERE IS PART 2 !?
My theory is that Jacob is simply a powerful spirit & is using Christian's body; which also explains why the coffin was empty.
Maybe Jacob was once the leader of the slave ship; the Black Rock. The whispers could be the spirits of the slaves & Jacob controls them.
As far as Hurley freaking out in the FF, maybe his guilty conscience is playing tricks on his mind & he see's the faces of the losties left on the island. The guilt is just too much for him to handle, so he flips out.
Like, he's in the store buying a candy bar & looks up to see Sawyer talking to him; giving him a hard time about his weight issues. This makes him freak out & run out of the store. It seems like he cannot escape the visions of the losties left on the island. They are everywhere he goes; except at the mental institution where he feels the most safe.
First of all, thanks Dark & Post!
Secondly - don't read the rest of this post if you don't want to be somewhat spoiled.
Regarding Hurley's freakout: Since he saw an eye in the window of Jacob's cabin, perhaps that is what he sees at the police station? Remember, last epi of S3 was named Through the Looking Glass, .... so perhaps when the Losties are tempted to 'talk' they get a little reminder - as in aparition.
Also, when the question "They're still alive, aren't they?" is asked, we don't know the inflection. I took it to be said in a scarcastic, threatening kind of way. As LionQueen says, reading doesn't give us the nuances, the facial expressions,... etc.