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179 Comments:
aaargh
thx Dark....WOW....super
thanks, dark. can't wait for the next parts!
Sun, I love you!
AGH!!! I can't get it to play past 11 seconds!!!agh!!!!!!!!!!
see now that was not bad was it... :)
yay! I love spoilers! Thanks Dark!
When the time came, couldn't resist ... Although I wasn't really surprised at too many things - thought I would be much more spoiled so now I am def staying clear.
For some reason I thought it would be longer ...
I've tried e-mailing it to myself but still no joy. Can anyone help?
I'm that excited about the story. Very action adventure style.As always a bunch of people divided into groups doing different things with no communication.
Really cool, but I had thought there would be a real cliffhanger between part one and parts 2 and 3. This seemed a bit short for a stormtrooper, if you catch my reference.
gotta say, after i finally buckled, it wasn't that spoilery. i guess they're saving the juicy stuff for the 2 hour 'real' finale...
How crowded is this island now? LOL
I need a transcript!
I've really enjoyed the sort of coy badass part of Sun. Unlike Kate and Juliet, she can't fight for beans, but she certainly has a tough streak that's peaked through since Season 3
(promising to make Jin's birthmother "disappear" if she ever tried to blackmail her again; saying "thank you" to Daniel when he doesn't answer her question about who he works for, and then marching right out of the camp with Jin, because what she really meant was "thanks for confirming my suspicions, you shifty f***er."
I was hoping that Jin would be the one to try and take down Paik Industries, since Jin's got military training and it would be a nice twist that Paik's former enforcer turned on him; but I can live with Sun doing the deed.
cant read it yet, cos i am on a public computer and it wont work but OMG, i cant wait to get home and read it!!!! thanx for this dark! i will try to only skim read it, but knowing me and i wont!
I wonder why Ben let himself knocking up and being captured by Keamy... And why Jack would be responsible for Jin's death?? But wasn't Jin alive in the future on the island??
another filler episode. purely serves to set up the finale which is...2 weeks away :-(
interesting is what ben does, for sure with a plan. it is also interesting how the evacuation starts.
i guess richard and co will liberate ben and in the process keamy dies and the freighter will blow. of course oceanic4 (hurley and jack will arrive later) survive but what about michel, des, jin, rose, bernard...
my main question: who forces the cover-up? apparently the bad guys must have a hand on some losties since where could the pressure come from otherwise? maybe daniel will do something weird?
and it would really suck if we don't get to find out about WHY this season! think that we almost learnt NOTHING about jacob which i also consider a major let-down...
as i cant read it yet, can some one post some snippets from it in this thread please???? or email me pleeease???? i know, i know, i have no self control!
got to get the sack...on internet in work...must know spoliers...agh.
Seriously, if someone can do a transcript i'll be your best friend forever!
Apart from what we've seen...
Sayid and Nadia reunite...at the press conferance? I guess?
Sun buys a controlling interest in her dad's company. She blames him and Jack for her husband's death.
Jack finds out about Claire tonight from Claire's mom (she's at Christian's funeral). Everyone has known about this for six months.
Sayid and Kate are trapped by Alpert and a band of Others in the jungle, after Kate returns to the beach, gives Aaron to Sun (Sun, Jin, and Dan are going back to the freighter on the zodiac) and heads back into the jungle to "find Jack."
Frank's handcuffed to the chopper when Jack and Sawyer find it. Jack wants to take off after freeing Frank, but Sawyer tells him about Hurley...
The Orchid turns out to be a greenhouse. But Ben tells Locke to take the elevator inside the green house and start up the generator. He has to "take care" of Keamy first. He walks right up to them and is knocked out by Keamy.
Oh, and there's a bomb on the freighter. It's rigged remotely to the thing on Keamy's arm.
(those are the big ones)
Wow...those have to be the weakest spoilers ever...
aliamba - thankyou!!! and does this mean that jin DOES die?????
Alilamba, consider yourself a true hero!
Are you sure, Dark, that this is legit? I know it was supposed to be a synopsis, but from what I've read it merely describes the sneak peaks in the order they would appear on the show with a few educated guesses (such as who gets to the freighter first and Sun buying up her father's business).
If it indeed is legit, then the events of the show occur in a more logical manner than I thought.
Yeah, there's nothing big tonight I guess. A lot of posturing for the next two hours.
Have to say that it worked though. On paper. It worked on paper.
Alilamba- thanks ever so much. you and Dark made my day.
at work so can't play anything on computer :-s
isabelle- Not necessarily. She may have seen Jin critically wounded right before the island is "moved" (assuming that this is the reason why the 06 can't go back for more survivors), and just assumes that he is dead. I'm still banking on him being alive.
Thank you so much, Dark!
I knew I couldn't resist, but ODI is right, it's even not too spoilery! ;)
I'm glad to know that Jack finally finds out he's related to Claire. I guess it will be heartbreaking for him to learn that he's been with his sister all along and that now he lost her.
But how can he be also responsable for Jin's (fake) death? o_O Maybe it's part of the made up story.
Ben has a plan. I'm sure of that. And I really hope Keamy'll die. <_<
I guess I thought that the freighter goes boom while Jin's still on it...but how would that be Jack and Mr. Paik's fault?
Jin goes back to the Island for some daffy reason?
Kristen "revealed" that Jin, Locke and Sawyer are all alive on the Island in the future. I don't give her a lot of credit these days, but I'll go with it.
ryan - i really hope your right. guess we might find out at the weekend when dark post part 2 and 3.
cant wait for the coffin reveal! dark said he was supirised too, so i am guessing its not micheal cos no would be suprised if it was micheal.
Glad to see they're starting to hold Jack responsible for his failures at least. Four years of watching this pompous pr!ck march around pounding his chest about how he would save them all, and in the end, he managed to save himself, with only whoever was lucky enough to be nearby.
Hope the second part is better though. This was a bit of a snooze.
nicolus - i see your point, and i dont usually like jack either, but i do honestly think his intention was to go back and save everyone else, not just himselve, but the island must move or something :)
@ alilamba: jack is possibly involved in killing keamy (keamy telling him beforehand that if he does so freigther will blow) and paik is associated with widmore. i guess this would give sun reasons.
IF jin really died, i guess sun is ultra calm anyway on the flight. and IF jack was really involved then his "fresh" start off island seems even more scandalous. i genuienly start to despise his character.
Whatever his intentions were, he went right on lying about them, leaving them there, and making a nice fat paycheck for himself, didn't he? What a despicable fraud he is. I hope at least the writers have the courage to keep going there with him and don't chicken out expecting us to feel pity for the creep.
That was just like watching an extended sneak peek. I don't feel too spoiled or guilty at all :)
Really sounds like the real meat and potatoes are in parts 2 & 3 though.
Nah, the scene we saw in FF gives Jack a mostly-guilt-free pass in my eyes. He wouldn't lie for his father (re: drunken surgery), so he's not just going to pull out some grand lie now for no reason. And he's not going to leave people behind intentionally who want to leave (seems pretty okay with ignoring Sawyer and Locke), but he's not going to leave Hurley.
I guess...maybe...Sun's not even telling her own father that Jin is still alive? Maybe she cries that he's "dead" because really he's just un-find-able. I'm not sure yet how I feel about the freighter blowing up (in terms of whether it will actually happen). Mostly it's just that I have no freakin' idea how...any of this...works. With Penny, and a different non-freighter rescue, though Sun and Jin are there.
The mind boggles.
(more minor bits...)
Kate tells the reporters that Aaron's "her baby." Everyone tells a lie about their rescue.
The birthday party is Hurley's (island theme). His dad really did fix up the car, but the odometer reads 4815162342.
The elevator goes down into the "real" Orchid.
nicolas - yeah, i 100% agree with you there. :)
p.s. Nicolas, we get it. You don't like Jack. Leave it be.
aliliamba - do they ask kate who the father is, how old aaron is, when/where he was born, how could a pregnant women 'save everyone' etc? if so, how does she answer?
nicolas- All of the 06 lie about what happened. It's not as if Jack willingly made a decision not to go back for others. If anything, the island moves and Jack can't go back, so I don't see how this makes him a despicable fraud or how he "leaves them there". We don't even know why the 06 have a cover-up story, so stop jumping to conclusions. Jack doesn't want to get everyone rescued? Bullshit.
Was it just me, or did that ep sound really boring..or am I still half asleep?
Dang it. Someone agreed with you. Bah.
Jack 'went on lying' for Kate's benefit. He is shown as regretting the lies more than anyone (TTLG).
They all took settlement checks by the looks of it. It's Kate who seems to be enjoying hers most. Though Sayid has invested in some serious conditioner (sorry, bad joke).
Aaand...I already mentioned the going back for Hurley bits. Seriously, I think you'll see. Jack will do his darn-dest to see everyone off the Island who wants to leave.
Can we end it at that? An argument and a rebuttal?
Oh sorry. Isabelle: No, that's all it says. "Kate carried Aaron off the plane and tells the reporters that he is her baby."
gragh! i hate kate! why is she passing aaron off as hers? i can't any reason that isn't selfish as all get out. she has no intentions of going back for claire, so it's not like she's keeping tabs on the boy for his real mommy. i really, really dislike that character.
so if sun is truly pissed at jack, and is buddies with hurley, then is hurley feeding jack a bunch of BS? maybe hurley and sun are on team locke, and are working to get back to the island?
okay, well thanks! i couldn't sleep well without reading this. i'll sleep like baby now. thanks!!!!
I think Aaron just sort of ends up with them. We'll see if they really invest in looking for Claire, but at this point...it seems like it just appears too hopeless. But yeah. The O6 end up with Aaron, and it's sort of hard to pass off an obviously-not Korean kid on a man or a Korean lady already pregnant. With all their lies being what it is. I wouldn't go so far as to think that Kate "called dibs" on the spawn or something.
frou frou - totally agree with you, i'm losing interest in Kate's character and i don't find the whole playing mother to Aaron thing an act of decency. unless something happens to Claire in the finale to make her unable to care for Aaron. even so, why can't Rose care for him on the island where his real mom hopefully is.
Kate better have a good enough reason for babyknapping.
Jack 'went on lying' for Kate's benefit.
Where'd you come up with that? Sound like fanwank. And TTLG comes a good two years later I believe. The point is he's no hero.
A captain that lets his ship go down while he saves himself doesn't get to be considered a hero ever again. He spends the rest of his cowardly life in disgrace, as he should.
P.S. Aliamba - You worship Jack. We get it. Leave it be and let me come to my own conclusions.
There must be a really big reason for Jack to lie about leaving that many people behind.
One minute he's stumbling around with a ticking appendix reminding anyone who'll listen about the promise he made to rescue them and the next he seems fairly pleased with himself, smiling broadly and picking Kate's panties off the floor. It takes a suspicion of infidelity for the first cracks to show.
If it were a case of the island 'moving' before everyone made it off, wouldn't he be trying to 'go baaack!' much earlier?
That was just like watching an extended sneak peek. I don't feel too spoiled or guilty at all :)
Really sounds like the real meat and potatoes are in parts 2 & 3 though.
In fact, there is nothing really spoiler. Nothing new from me.
Maybe it's better I have read it, 'cause now I will not expect too much from the episode.
I hope that the whole Sun blaming Jack for Jin's death is more than just because all this could have been avoided if Jack didn't make the call at the end of the season 3 finale. Otherwise its just pointless since they all (Sun included) seemed pretty glad that he did in TBOTE.
Why does almost every thread have to turn into a shipper debate?!?!?
Shipper debate? There is nothing about ships in this synopsis or this comment section.
Jack and Sawyer going to the Orchid is great. I don't count on it yet because it seems obvious Hurley is still there and Jack is lucky to have the chopper once. Could be Sawyers "chose to stay" when he goes to the Orchid alone. I think Hurleys "Sorry I went with Locke" is really about the cabin and the Orchid. It looks like without Hurley gone, they would have had time to rescue more people.
The episode sounds interesting.
The Orchid is in a greenhouse. Dammit guys, that's the first place we should have looked.
It's not fanwank, and I don't worship Jack (or any character) by any stretch of the imagination. Jack doesn't just wander into any courtroom that has a lull in the proceedings.
I sort of really want to know what Alpert and co. are up to, leaving The Temple like they are to touch base with Kate and Sayid.
Aliamba, Jack starts his lying on day one. The trial nonsense came years later. He lied for years and went back to his fat paycheck for years. That's the truth of it. So, he's not "lying for Kate" or for anyone else. He's lying for Jack.
Well, I guess I'm meant to be unspoiled, as the player doesn't even load for me, I just get a blank screen. Oh, well.
I think Sawyer will be looking for the cabin, because that's where he thinks Hurley and Locke are.
Sorry, I meant to say Jack bashing thread. Some people like Jack, some don't. Why bring it into every bloody thread?
Gah, dang it, last thing, and then I'm ignoring the Jack debate in this section forever:
A captain that lets his ship go down while he saves himself doesn't get to be considered a hero ever again. He spends the rest of his cowardly life in disgrace, as he should.
This I don't get at all in relation to Jack. Maybe you're talking about Sawyer? Like...season one/"what I've always done survivin'" Sawyer? I mean...that's not even who Sawyer is most of the time. I don't get it.
dreamingmelody: That's exactly what I was thinking! About Hurley and being 'sorry.' But Jack treats it sort of well...like "no biggie" dude, I'm over it. So I dunno.
nicolas-
Jack went on lying for Kate's benefit because he was a character witness at her trial. His retelling of the lie/story helped keep her out of jail.
"A captain that lets his ship go down while he saves himself."
This is not an opinion, it's an assumption. You don't know why they can't go back and why Jack ends up with the other five. I highly doubt he was just trying to save himself though. After all, he's running around in the jungle with Sawyer in the 2nd part of the finale trying to find Hurley.
Now, I'm quite neutral to Jack's character. I see him as an arrogant asshole who wants to save the castaways, and there's no point of logic that can contradict this statement. But at least I don't jump to conclusions.
Aliamba, Sawyer was never "the captain". He's not the one who has hogged our screen for four years telling everyone who would listen about how he would SAVE THEM ALL - and who then ended up saving mostly himself. This isn't hard to understand.
I'll give them props for faking us out by showing their hero to be such an outrageous fraud - and their early villain to be the hero. They just need to show they have the nads to carry it all through. If they pull this off, the show might end up being genius after all.
nicolas- So tell us why Jack is lying for Jack. Jack starts his lying on day one? So do Kate, Sun, Sayid and Hurley. Oh, they also have their "big fat paycheck for years." Are they all irredeemable bastards then?
Do you even know why they are lying? Maybe there is an important reason? I don't see how lying would benefit them personally other than Kate.
Wait, Nicolas, have you seen the 2nd part of the finale? Please, let us in on it if you have.
Whoa! Hey, if you want to keep debating Jack, you can email me. It's not a hard email address to find.
Quit being antagonistic on purpose, please.
A captain is not judged by the same standard as the crew. Jack doesn't get to be both leader and victim. If we spent the last four years excusing all his asshole behavior because he had the burden of leadership, it only stands to reason that now he gets judged on the same basis, doesn't it? Or is he only the leader when it comes to bossing everyone around, but just one of the gang when it comes to bearing true responsibility? These are the questions I think we're supposed to be asking. It's not Jack bashing. It's reading into the purpose of the character, in my opinion.
I'm going to assume that Sun buys the controlling interest in her dad's company with the Oceanic payout.
It's annoying is what it is. Some of us actually just want to dicuss the spoilers we've just read without every second post being about Jack. Take it someplace else please before I lose my mind.
So, nothing about the kiss. I'm still hoping it's Claire and Sawyer. Was hoping to find out one way or another. Really don't even see Sawyer/Kate sharing a kiss, since she's all about Jack.
Still say for the kiss to be all this it has to be someone who never kissed on the show so that let's out:
Jack/Kate
Jack/Sarah
Jack/Juliet
Kate/Sawyer
Desmond/Penny
Jin/Sun
Rose/Benard
and since it involves the triangle it's got to be either Kate kissing someone new, but as she can't decide between two, why make it three or Sawyer/Claire.
Please let it be Sawyer and Claire.
The only thing new was Jack is with Sawyer, as in the promo Sawyer was alone.
And I'm leaving.
i really think the sk is between des/penny or skate...but both couples could end up kissing...
good job Jack, keep on lying
You're still presenting assumptions as events that actually happen though. We don't know that Jack tries to save himself first. There are a million different ways in which he could end up as one of the 06, and we won't know whether or not it's out of selfishness until we've seen Parts 2 and 3 of the finale.
"Bearing true responsibility"? For what? 'Leaving people behind' and 'not being able to go back for them because the island moves and the people disappear into thin air' are a different thing. How is Jack responsible for that? How could he have stopped what he had no idea was going to happen? (See, now I'm going to make assumptions as to what happens to counter your assumptions.)
A leader should be judged by a higher standard, but he/she can't be blamed for unforeseeable events like the island moving to a different time and a space. Maybe if Locke gives him a heads up, then I'll agree that it's Jack's fault if he doesn't try to stall the operation... although according to Locke's train of thought, moving the island will save the people, so... tough call.
Hang on, I thought this episode had a crazy cliffhanger that would make us go mad for two weeks?!
Keamy punking Ben is the end..?
Dark, I'm asking for an intervention here. This is beyond ridiculous.
Okay, I'm done with the Jack argument. It's interfering with discussing things that are actually relevant in this thread: the things that we actually know happen as opposed to what we assume happens, and using the assumptions to character-troll.
Back on track: I wonder if in Sun's flashforward, she knows that her father is/was allied with Widmore.
Kristina, really don't think so, because why wouldn't their kiss have caused something like this before? Logically, it has to be someone who has never kissed before.
While the kiss might be spectacular to fans of Denny and Skate, most have seen these duos kiss before.
I could give a crap about Jack, so the debate bores me. We'll find out soon enough.
I wonder if Sun ends up throwing in with Widmore.
nicolas you think right now that you're unbiased but you are not. you don't know what made them end up rescued without the rest of their friends. And we don't know why they can't go back. Sayid's one of my favourite characters and he wouldn't leave the rest on the island if it weren't an obligatory situation. and it's not like sayid would take orders fom Jack any time. also for Jack it's unacceptable if something big hasn't happened to leave the ,sland whil the others stay. including the season 3 finale we saw him keep repeating that he promised he would take ALL off the island. I think the writers were trying to show the twist in his decisions making us wonder why...
sun's reason for blaming Jack for Jin's fate can be only understood when we see what actually happened on the island. either it's all different than we thought might have happened and sun's right abot her conclusions or she's sad and angry,taking it on Jack and her father. The fact that she blames her father actually tells me that it's the second scenario that she's taking remotely related actions in consideration...
Btw does anybody else except something very shifty from Ben,he seems to have a second agenda or something.I think there will be big moment where Ben changes the game in his favor...
More like throwing down with Widmore, I would think. Widmore hired the Freighter people, who Sun hates with a fiery passion. And while Dan, Miles, Charlotte, Frank, Gault and Minkowski ended up on the good side, there's still no excusing Widmore's violent attack dog Keamy.
@ everyone: please let jack be jack!
i'd really be interested what you think regarding WHO is behind the coverup and HOW he can make the O6 play along.
GRAZIE
Yes, but will Jack tell Sun Widmore was behind it. Will Desmond and Sayid tell? You know this people don't communicate information with each other. They keep what they know to themselves, which is 90% of the problems they had.
On the other hand, Ben's getting this list of people from someone. Perhaps, Sun is also working for Ben and providing him with the names of the people for Sayid to kill.
fabio, while I thought the fake crash was Ben's doing, I've come to the conclusion it was Widmore.
As for the Jack and his crew tissue of lies, who knows. Jack still appears to be leader of the band in that clip down below. He's telling them what to do and making all the decisions for them.
The way things stand at the moment it appears to be a lie the 5 concocted amongst themselves.
Guys, can we let Jack be for a little while please?!
I have a question to ask you cos you all seem so much better at speculating than me. i can't come up with a theory of my own, all i have is questions. and it would be nice to hear your thoughts on this
KEAMY!! I have a feeling that Abbadon and Widmore have two separate agendas. when Abbadon was discussing his team with Naomi, there was no talk of Keamy. and it could be that just like Ben put his man on the boat, Widmore put Keamy and co there which leaves captain Gault and the dead doc in question. which side were they on?! and if Keamy and Dan are from different teams how does Dan know of the protocol 2?!
How are these people related!
Wow! That sounds like an exciting episode to me. :)
For the record, Alilamba's summary was inaccurate as to one point. The synopsis says that it is Sawyer (not Jack) who says he has to go back and get Hurley. (Yay for Sawyer going after his buddy!)
I love the sound of this episode. The Sun versus Paik stuff is really intriguing. Poor Claire - her Mom actually managed to recover from that coma and she doesn't get to know about it. I'm really curious now as to why Kate kept Aaron... maybe because the story had already been told (i.e. that the baby was hers) and they had to stick with it.
I'm also loving Alpert's involvement - I'm looking forward to seeing Kate and Sayid with his group. He's now got two of the O6, Jack is with Sawyer and Frank, Sun and Aaron are on the freighter, and Hurley is with Ben and Locke. The O6 couldn't be more scattered! I'm intrigued to see how those particular 6 people end up together, being the only ones who make it off the island.
I'm guessing that Jack, Hurley, Sayid and Kate will leave for the freighter with Frank on the chopper at some point. I wonder why Sawyer didn't go with them? Not enough room? I'm guessing it will be because "There's always somebody to go back for." (I knew that line would be prophetic for Mr. used-to-be "every man for himself". That tiger has changed his stripes something fierce. Love that!) Maybe he's still hoping to find Claire?
Can't wait to read the rest of the finale synopsis. For me, it's like reading a good book and then seeing the movie version only two weeks later. Thanks, Dark! :)
Claire's mom is NOT in COMA anymore?
Kate is weird. How could she....?
She had to gove Aaron to her Grandmother
I know, Claire's mom did not know her daughter was pregnant. But Jack knew. He is just pathetic
Sorry, i wanted to say that Kate had to give Aaron to HIS Granmom, Claire's mother
What if it is Jack who's in the coffin
I know. it sounds crazy, but this is Lost.
We have 2 bunnies in Orchid videos :)
olena - that's what i thought too!! i don't really like Kate for using the baby to get people's sympathy. but then again, if they did tell Aaron was Calire's they probably would make holes in their story and i guess they can't risk that.
Also when Claire is pregnant and in Australia, her mom is alright and not in a coma, cos she mentions something about her mom finding out about the pregnancy.
maverdiani
Not like this
In S one FB Claire tells her friend that she did not tell her mom she was pregnant
and then in Par avion Claire speaks to her sleeping Mom and tells her that she is pregnant
Thanks Dark!
Olena- Yea. you're right! totally forgot. what a shame!! Aaron should be with his grandmother.
Kate just can't stop using guys -regardless of their age- can she?!
it doesn't work for me... awww
(the video)
just read it, i couldnt help myself. it sounds kinda like a filler epi, but then there will be great parts in it too (orchid, jack/claire discovery etc)
i am excited about hurleys party, an di hope there are lots of jack/sawyers scenes. whether it be arguing, or getting along, whatever, their scenes are great.
YES! jack in the coffin! he goes back, opens the lid and...BANG! matter and anti-matter in contact!
michael would make most sense. ben would be very interesting but would limit future options. des would be shocking but somehow lame.
what annoys me: they said they wanted to show michael inside last year. they could not because the actor was not availiable. so now they change the entire thing?
LAME
Personally I don't think its Michael in the coffin anymore because Dark said he "was shocked" by the who's in it.
yeah, i dont thinks its micheal either for the same reason as nicole. hopefully its not desmond, but that would be shocking.
i vote goes to faraday.
Well, I am glad that I read this & have caved into curiosity...now, I will restrain from the next part. This spoiler wasn't all that interesting nor did it really give any more away than what we've seen in the 7 sneak peaks. I'm hoping that the episode plays out better than it reads or maybe Dark left out a few bits to keep even us spoiler slaves surprised :) Thanks Dark for all the great work you have done.
i dont think that the episode will end in keamy knocking out ben
i could have written that from the things we've already known, and figuring of course the thing on keamys arm is connected to a bomb!
i'm a little sad that i didn't get utterly spoiled.
ah, maybe next time! now off to breakfast!
Keamy is so awesome.
lol i find it funny that people either complain that they have been spoiled too much or they complain that they haven't been spoiled enough....just can't win
So the world buys the story that Kate was (presumably) 8 months pregnant when she boarded the plane, but managed to singlehandedly save the rest of the adult O6ers and still have a healthy baby about one month later?
Um...right.
Ray Mullen, where are you?
tdciago, there was a spoiler awhile back about the reporters asking Kate how old Aaron is and methinks she may lie about his age.
I'm just curious who she's going to claim is the father. I wonder if she lies that Sawyer is the father and that's why Jack didn't want to have anything to do with her, according to what Hurley said in SNBH.
I don't think there's very much wiggle room in faking Aaron's age. Certainly a pediatrician would be able to determine that he's 2-3 months old.
Sawyer couldn't be the father if there's no time distortion between the island and the outside world, unless the lie gets even more convoluted and Kate claims to have had a relationship with him prior to boarding flight 815.
i have no idea how kate is gonna explain aaron being hers, but i'm sure tptb have come up with a good and satisfying explanation for it.
been saying jack in the coffin forever also thought faraday would be a nice touch aswell now tha dark knows i think we need a poll or contest!!!! like the who dies one a couple a monthes back!!!
frou frou said...
so if sun is truly pissed at jack, and is buddies with hurley, then is hurley feeding jack a bunch of BS? maybe hurley and sun are on team locke, and are working to get back to the island?
I believe it seems like Hurley is on Suns "side" blaming Jack for what happened. After all Hurley is the only one who shows up to see Ji-Yeon and he is happy that no one else from the O6 are there.
I usually could care less about someone saying they hate a character for a particular reason, but come on, how can you say you hate Kate for having Aaron when it is obvious that Aaron is givin to Kate by Sawyer and Sun is the person who takes Aaron to the boat. If anything its Sawyer who is responsible for Kate having Aaron.
Don't get me wrong, Kate is not at the top of my list for favorite characters, but please dislike her for some other reason than her having Aaron.
I think Darlton expect some things to be leaked. Wouldn't surprise me if they held back the true ending just for the TV audience.
I thought the Kate in the Jack flashforward was just too weird, almost a Kate from a different TIME. But I can't remember if the funeral director called the coffin person a him or just "deceased".
i despise kate esp her having aaron and pretendening he is her baby in the future. but i understand it aswell. keamy could careless if killed an infant or not. so getting aaron as far away as possible is the only option with or without claire. now they have to lie for whatever reason so the logical choice for aaarons mama is kate. no choice otherewise there story wont jive. now ff to the future kate calls him her son etc. to her he is. she has been with him most of his life. she has raised him, how could she not love him? i think tptb are trying to show us a different side to her. that she can be unselfish and care about someone besides herself. but i think the majority of us is too jaded by kate to see that.
it's deplorable! really, it is. they could have easily said the mother died in childbirth. aaron should have gone with grandma. (doesn't make for good story, though, does it?)
it's just like alex and ben. who did that awesome comparison of kate and ben? she's turning out to be a less genius version of him.
and see what happened to alex? raised by a another, and what did she get? capped mafia style, is what? same thing is in store for poor aaron, and that witch harpy kate is to blame.
i know why they got him off the island, that's good. but the lie. that's bad.
all in all, i hope jack has an affair with claire's mom.
i have NO willpower~!~
maybe kate takes aaron on as her own because at the time of the rescue on the island, sawyer tells jack and kate that they "lost" claire? maybe they think she's dead? or captured?
they don't know she's hangin out with a dead Christian ?
i really respect and adore kate for looking after another womens child. its takes alot to do that. obvioulsy sun couldnt have claimed him to be hers so the only thing that makes sense is for kate to say it.
btw, remember when claire was in labour and kate delivered the baby? does anyone think that they had already decided to have kate end up with aaron by that point?
it's deplorable! really, it is. they could have easily said the mother died in childbirth. aaron should have gone with grandma. (doesn't make for good story, though, does it?)
Yes, since they claimed that two other people initially survived the crash, but then died, this would have been the logical story.
But that would have put other people ahead of Kate for custody of Aaron. Not only his grandmother, who conveniently recovered from her coma, but also Claire's aunt, the prospective adoptive parents (if there really were any), and the Australian government, since Claire was Australian. And certainly Kate the accused murderer would not have been permitted to have custody of Aaron.
So...I must conclude that Aaron has to stay with Kate so he can be brought back to the island with the rest of the O6. The silly, quickly disposed-of murder trial outcome is more evidence of this.
Remembering about Sawyer secret scene....., I could say, it could be sawyer in the coffin.....
So Sun has something against jack......no wonder she didn't go to his dad's funeral....
also I knew that Keamy had a pulmonary detonator.....Keamy you dastardly fiend!
it can't be jack in the coffin. i would think that the funeral director would have noticed that the one visitor looked exactly like the corpse. especially since the guy asks jack if he is friend or family.
nothing too bad here, if this is really how it goes down. sounds like they're saving all the real drama for part 2 and 3.
I wouldn't be shocked if Faraday ended up in the coffin because he is a relative newbie and is not one of the 815ers.Faraday would make sense BUT the shock value is low because of the length of his tenure on Lost.Desmond visiting heightens the possibility that it is Faraday as well,being his constant.Fabio,I believe that Locke was originally supposed to be in the coffin according to the producers not Michael.
As for who is in the coffin,Desmond was seen at Hoffs/Drawlar and I wonder if he is visiting or is he really the man in the coffin.Des would be a heartbreaker because of his popularity and Penny's quest for him.Sawyer is remote in that Kate didn't seem really fazed by the death.If James Ford died then she would have been visibly distraught.Sayid took on a new identity again so perhaps it is him.Once again,the character that makes the most sense is Ben.The reactions from both characters in TTLG is very telling.Yes,the whole Widmore /Linus war is becoming a main storyline,but Ben would have faked his own death or made a clone .No matter what anyone says offing Ben is shocking because of his importance to the show.It would provide another WTF moment in Lost.
This was fantastic, but next ones can we get in somewhat bigger text? Some of us old fogies really need to strain to see all that tiny text!!
Thanks!!!
to be honest i am very very disappointed about the release of even more spoilers for this years finale........but in relation to this post i was most unhappy about the claires mum and jack bit being spoiled
WOW! Hilarious how Jack-haters jump on him for anything at all... It's like "in this episode Jack goes to the bathroom"...haters go "What an ass couldn't he have waited his turn?" He should die for that! Makes me laugh...
I'd think the fact that he tries to kill himself might just indicate he is a little bit tormented over happenings on the island. He was pushed to be the leader in the beginning. He didn't want to be so it's ridiculous that he would take all the blame now. But go ahead Sawyer fan-girls blame away!!
Anyways, sounds like the next two hour epi will be the exciting one this one is kind of just putting everyone in their appropriate places. I love Sawyer and Jack running off together to save Hurley. Wish we'd gotten more of that over the last 4 years b/c they are great together even when they fight. The Claire-sister reveal sounds kind of anticlimactic... but oh, well! RE:Sun blaming Jack for Jin's death? Hurley is friendly to Jack in all the FFs we've seen AND said he should have chosen Jack not Locke so it must be only Sun's perspective. I think Jin's alive just didn't make the rescue for some reason.
Jerome - Why would Jack put his hand on Ben's coffin with a sad expression on his face? Why would he even go to Ben's funeral at all? Or expect that Kate might?
It sounds like Sayid. If Kate and Jack know about his new job, their reaction fits it. And Desmond visiting the Sayid's funeral would fit this story
Weak. Must be chock full of commercials. I'm glad I read this rather than get my hopes up all day waiting for it to air.
Somethings I don't understand:
Why is Sayid trying to bring people to the freighter? For all he knows, Keamy is coming back there and when he does he's gonna kill them. Who is going to pilot the ship? Also, why do they trust Faraday to help ferry people back to the freighter? All he's done the whole time he's been on the island is lie to them.
I love that Sun is getting a good part in the future. Hurley and Jack don't have the best contact I guess because he said sorry after a long time. Sun and Hurley could work together. I think that would be awesome. The scenes with Hurley visiting Sun were touching and they seemed very close.
It means that the orchid is not the same as the Temple. I thought that Richard and the others are in the orchid but it seems that they are in another station, so in the 2. part of the finale we will see another station.
And what about this boat from the promotional photos, there Jack and the rest of the oceanick 6 were together in the same boat. Thye boat that sayid is going to ferry people from the beach is not the same boat tfrom the promo photos. so maybe the frighter explodes and only 6 of them manage to escape from the burning ship on a small zodiack boat an are rescued by penny's boat.
Sometimes I hate Damon and Carlton for giving us the hope that we can find something in the finales, but they always keep the best parts to the last piece and the answers for them are at the next season... Why did they even call tonight's episode as season finale part 1? To take attention and being watched.
Dark:
Wow, you weren't kidding about making it difficult (well, impossible) to copy/paste. Thanks for the time and effort.
I think this kind of stuff is better seen than read. Text diminishes everything - the drama, the tension, the whole shebang. I've stayed back from THROUGH THE LOOKING GLASS finale, and was glad that I did. Not reading the second set. Whatever the setup is for - I can't see how it can be anything but thoroughly satisfying.
Thanks, Dark, for letting me experience the spoiler for one hour without screwing things up for the "real finale" (as far as I'm concerned).
That's weird. Between set pictures, Sneak Peek clips, and other teases, I felt like I knew almost all of this already.
Now that I think about it...Why are the islanders running like sissies and trying to move the island from Keamy and like 6 mercs? They're(Keamy and co.) outmanned and outgunned in a foreign terrain. The losties and others should man up and take 'em out. This show makes no sense.
so, where's part 2? This can't be the whole of tonights episode...
I'm pretty sure Jin dies now.
Yeah, probably gets blown up on the freighter. It'll be interesting to see why Sun blames Jack for this. She doesn't seem to hostile towards him on the plane
thankful for the spoiler but disapointed in the epi.
How did they get off!
Funeral director said, "NOBODY CAME" so it has to be Des in the coffin if he was seen on set
they are moving the island so widmore can't find the island again
just because nobody came when jack was there doesn't mean des couldn't show after jack left.
duh.
Maybe authors are using Desmond's visit to show us who 's in the coffin
Yes, please don't let it be Desmond :( He has such an interesting story-line! And the Penny-Des love story isn't over yet!!
Methos,was Jack in a great frame of mind when we saw him in TTLG?He was popping vicodin, drinking and wanted to kill himself.He is distraught for a reason and Ben is his ticket back to the Island.Whether or not he looked sad was not the issue,as villianous as Ben was HE IS THE KEY TO GETTING BACK TO THE ISLAND.If Sayid is in the coffin,it's a classic bait and switch.The producers wanted to put Locke in the coffin originally BUT things evidently changed.As much as I like Sayid,he was not a key to getting back to the Island and putting him in the coffin is somewhat of a shock but for me doesn't resonate with Jack responding in this light in TTLG at all.I thought they were gonna go with the safe choice,Michael but it seems that it's Sayid.Faraday would be another blah choice because he is a relative newcomer and his death has none of the shock or sting that an 815er or longtime Islander would have.I wanted Ben though......man that would have been a great turn of the events.
In addition,it seems that Sun and the rest of the Oceanic 6 will be pitted against each other.Quite honestly,that would be interesting and I would love to see where Sawyer stands,being that he is supposedly on the Island in the future.
"i have no idea how kate is gonna explain aaron being hers, but i'm sure tptb have come up with a good and satisfying explanation for it."
Sort of like the good and satisfying explanation for how Kate avoided prosecution for multiple violent felonies?
Sort of like Jack's good and satisfying reason for deciding he wants to see Kate and Aaron after avoiding them for 1+ yrs after rescue ("I changed my mind.")?
Sort of like the good and satisfying reason Charlie claimed he couldn't swim in S1 then became a childhood swimming champ in S3?
Let's face it, TPTB can be incredibly lazy when they've written themselves into a corner.
DARKUFO, please make the font BIGGER. I can't read these small characters!!!
I for one would like to hear some discussion on what people think about the story instead of just bashing the characters.
Does anyone have any speculation as to how the lie comes about? I don't seriously think that Oceanic's settlement is going to be the reason for them covering up what happened. It has to be something a bit more dramatic and convincing. I think someone (possibly connected to Widmore) gets to them and threatens to kill everyone else who is still on the island if they don't come up with a plausible explanation of how they survived when the plane with all the bodies is on the bottom of the ocean.
I can't believe how much some people can hate fictional characters. The point of the show is that EACH character has his/her flaws. You can argue this to death, no one is ever going to win. All the characters on the show are important and it wouldn't be the same show if they were different. We should stop fighting with each other.
I have to say I am really disappointed. I thought we'd get something bigger, say, who is in the coffin...
Back to position one. Boomer.
what about desmond calling out to michael that he needs him? How does that fit into this? There are other small parts of previews that don't seem to completely explained so there's a lot still to see.
Uhho . What an episode we got .
Going through the posts , lol funny why people all want keamy to die . yes he is such a **** , yet he atleast brings this character whom we all would love to hate . Widmore looks *** and no body wants to fight with him . I would love to see sawyer fight with keamy , taking revenge for claire 's death , assuming that claire died in that crash .
What will happen to desmond though :( .
"Sort of like the good and satisfying reason Charlie claimed he couldn't swim in S1 then became a childhood swimming champ in S3?"
C'mon, are you watching the show? Everything changes!!!!!
anyone else excited about the part where jin and sun see michael for the first time on the freighter? i won't hold my breath, but i hope there will be a cool little moment with jin and michael. they had a really cool relationship on the show (from wanting to kick each other's asses to sailing on a raft together) and i would be disappointed if the writers just completely forgot about it.
I read 1 paragraph of the first page but couldn't do it!!
Again, highly unlikely Sayid in coffin because Muslims don't inter their dead in coffins, they do so in shrouds, and the vast majority do not have viewings of the nature shown in last season's finale. Nadia was taken in a coffin to her burial site, but would not have been buried in it, it does not make much sense for Sayid to have wanted Nadia to be buried according to custom and not himself.
Im not even tempted to look this time, woo hoo!! Nothings gonna spoil my finale.
HAS to be Des as much as that stinks.
Jack has a connection with him from the hatch and stadium.
So what? Everyone else has a connection to him from the island
Maybe it's Ben in the coffin. Maybe Desmond thwarts his attempt to kill Penny and goes to the viewing to make sure the cork sucker is dead. The point is, we could make cases for it being anyone
I personally like the theory someone stated earlier where it was Sayid, but I think Ben makes the better choice. If Jack was worried about getting back to the island, he might have wanted to seek out Ben for his help, and losing Ben was a significant loss for him on his quest to get back. Anyway, we've seen enough of how messed up Sayid's, Hurley's, and Jack's life has been upon return, more of Kate and Sun's misery!!, end the sexism!!
Well, nothing extraordinarily exciting....but I still can't wait to watch the episode nonetheless!! Thanks for posting the synopsis :)
I like fabio's idea, with the jack see's jack anti-matter explosion and bing bang theory. Like in the orchid video when the rabits end up in the same room and all the white apron's freak out and panic! Remember when locke brought ben food and said it was rabbit? Ben asked if that rat had a number on it. I think the writers are gonna use that in reference to jack being in the coffin and what happens when 2 of the same rabbits collide.
Comments?
Think about this.. The orchid station is how the island is moved from a different time right? We know this much is more than likely true seeing how as the rabbit experiments put the same rabbit in the same time as the host rabbit. Okay, maybe if anti or ghost matter from the same host touches each other it sets everything back to day one and back to the beginning. So if jack touches dead jack in coffin that would be a way for him to go "baaaack" and do over. Maybe Ben has already done this before as to how he already knows all the rules of the game but widmore breaks the rules by changing original events. Ben knew he would need spinal surgery so he set up the events for a spinal surgeon to land on the island as "coincidence" ?
I know this is pretty far fetched but it does seem pretty cool!
n/m just saw the need spoiler survey. geez i was off
frou frou said: "all in all, i hope jack has an affair with claire's mom."
lol. That's it. You nailed the big kiss in the finale. Jack wants revenge from his father for having an affair with his wife :D
mikeou3 said: "anyone else excited about the part where jin and sun see michael for the first time on the freighter? i won't hold my breath, but i hope there will be a cool little moment with jin and michael."
I hope so too.
Another NO willpower here, hehe...
But that's OK, as t.l.a. said, is like seeing a loong sneak peek :)
Plus badass Sun. Ouch! Oceanic's settlement was that big that she can participate in Paik Industries? Or she has a little help from somebody that she met in London? And Jack is responsible for Jin's death? How? Did he shoot Keamy and the freighter exploded?
They did keep the best for last...
Thank you so much Dark. And if we are whining there's nothing new is just because you have spoiled us a lot already ;)
Maybe authors are using Desmond's visit to show us who 's in the coffin
OK, I don't know why but right there and then it hit me like a ton of bricks...PENNY IS IN THE COFFIN!!! (Under an alias of course...she is undermining whatever her father is up to that kept her and Desmond apart for so long)Kate don't know her at all and could care less, Jack is paying respect to the person who aided in they're getting off the island.
Maybe authors are using Desmond's visit to show us who 's in the coffin
There's a couple of things that don't exactly jive with the spoilers:
1). There was a scene in the promo last week of Jack passed out against a tree and in this week's promo Sawyer is seen running towards the helicopter alone. Of course, maybe Jack is just laggin behind.
2). The pics of the escape from the island showed Sun, Hurley, Aaron, Kate, Jack, Sayid and Desmond running from the island towards the raft.
Anyway, we'll find out tonight.
Also think there must be some cliffhanger at the end of this eppy. Lost always ends with a cliffhanger.
I can't believe everyone has missed a VERY big point.
If Keamy's mission was to kidnap Ben, then by the end of the episode he has exactly what he wants, and as such would not have to resort to using the "secondary protocol", whatever that will be.
But, since this is the first of three parts, that can only assume this means that Keamy's mission was not to capture Ben, or was not just to capture him.
Or it can mean that since they kept Ben alive they need him to activate the secondary protocol, because the mission wasn't just about kidnapping Ben at all, and the primary protocol for whatever mission that is failed.
This leads myself to believe that kidnapping Ben was actually the primary protocol, and that the secondary protocol is something completely different altogether, more of a secondary objective than secondary protocol. But whatever that is, it is much easier achieved with Ben alive.
Don't know if it's been said before, as i didn't read all the comments, but regarding the coffin scene, i think Desmond being there actually makes some sense.
I think Penny somehow gets to the Island, may or may not find Desmond, Ben sees her there and fulfills his promess to Widmore by killing her.
"Future" Des end ups dead and alone because of that (either as a result of going against Widmore / Ben and getting killed or just because he lost his will to live, or something like that).
That would somehow explain jack's reaction, they were "kind of" close, Kate wouldn't give a damn since i believe she barely knows him.
Hurley could have been in the institution, or something, and obviously Penny being dead, she wouldn't be there (which could be the reason why Jack asks the funeral director if he's sure nobody showed up, maybe he didn't know Penny was dead - i think Jack knows about her being Desmond's girl, correct me if i'm wrong).
On the other hand, Jack does actually say he's neither friend nor family, and i believe he could consider Desmond to be somewhat of a friend... unless something happens in the Finale that changes his view on things, like Desmond trying to prevent the rescue from happening (which could once again explain Kate's indifference towards his death)
Anyway, it'll probably end up being Ben, as expected, and i've just been ranting for nothing hehe
Cheers.
wow i watched the episode then right after i looked to see if this was legit. it is. i just think its sad that u guys would want to ruin the whole episode when you could see it in like 3 hours!
I took a look at this synopsis after I watched the episode tonight, which I wish now I wouldn't have because of the Jack/Jin snippet thrown in there. Not sure why that was thrown in there for Part 1, but oh well.
Anyway, I guess I'm confused as to how Jack "kills" Jin in Sun's eyes? I know they are covering things up, but she didn't seem as hostile as I would have imagined if she blamed Jack for Jin's death. Also, wouldn't some of the characters (Hurely/Kate/Sayid) act differently towards Jack in the FF scenes? Hurley seemed happy to see Jack in TBOTE, and all three were at Christian's wake. I would just think that most (maybe not Kate) would have distanced themselves from Jack right off the bat.
I guess maybe Sun knows Jin is alive, but feels she will never see him again and blames Jack for essentially "killing" him in her eyes. I'm just confused how this part will play out.
tj23 - i don't get it either. as I see it, there are 2 options:
1) we will learn in part 2&3 that jack is responsible somehow for jin's death, so Lostfan108 just put this info in the wrong synopsis.
2) Lostfan108 made a mistake and the 2nd person is not Jack - perhaps Widmore, coz of the Paik-Widmore link...
anyway, I'm confused...
Yeah, I don't know. I'm more just confused with the fact that if Jack is responsible, a lot of the characters don't act this way towards him in the FF.
God Damn it people! just Wait a couple of days to watch it on TV, knowing every plot in the episode ruins the experience.
I hope ABC find out who Lostfan(yeah right)108 is, he deserves a Serious fine, for leaking/stealing Lost info.
I posted the same on Lostpaedia, but I'd like to repeat it: not everyone can see this episode in a couple of days. Since I'm living in the UK and I don't want to hand over my money to those robbers at Sky, that means I can't see Lost. So I need the spoilers to know what's happening in my favourite TV series! It does take away some of the surprises, but I still enjoy it.
Bring on part 2 of the finale spoilers!
Why don't you Just download it, like i do. i'm from the UK To. and plenty of sites stream the episodes too.
has anyone else seen the ridiculous response to the leaking of this spoiler? over on lostpedia, name checking dark of course, but just going ahead with a one sided story, without even knowing the facts. I luckiy didnt read this spoiler before id seen the episode, but its not like we dont get warnings - and people should be free to 'spoil' themselves if they wish!
I have one question: when did Keamy have time to put the explosives in the engine room, when Michael was down there "fixing" the engines all this time? And where did the explosives come from - from Mikey's suitcase? Or were they part of the "Secondary Protocol"? Soooo confused....
tj23: i did the same thing, but I wasn't surprised by that nugget at all. In fact, I almost knew it as soon as she said it. Mostly because she didn't say Jack "killed" Jin; she said he was "responsible" for his death. The same way Mr. Paik is only "responsible" in a roundabout way (ie., making him whack people until he couldn't take it and planned to run off), Jack is probably only responsible in a roundabout way, too. She's probably just referring to him calling the freighter in the first place, or maybe he does kill Keamy as many have suggested, thus blowing up the freighter. But I'm pretty sure he doesn't put a gun to Jin's head and pull the trigger.
Can't LostFan108 post parts 2 and 3 somewhere else? I don't want to wait here until Dark "gets time" as he's "out a lot." What a tease.
I'm confused, perhaps someone could help me. Didn't we find out from when the Trio was captured by the others that there are actually 2 Islands? Maybe they will 'move' the island by lining up one behind the other. As far as the O6 all deciding to create a different story,lie. Maybe it's because in the end, the only way they're allowed to 'leave' is to make a promise that they will Never mention anyone being Left behind, back on the Island. This would keep any future Rescue a non issue. There are some big players that don't want this magical Island to ever be found. Maybe Ben or Locke, whoevers left in charge threatens them "You can never admit that there are other survivors or we will kill those still here." Michael couldn't let people know that him and Walt where alive, maybe something similar. Possibly a moments notice decision that appealed to their selfishnesss. (To get home) Maybe thats why Hero Jack is so tormented with "We have to go back" So many questions. All of you are so upset over having to wait 2 weeks. What happens after that when we'll have six months or more till season 5? Debski11
I think that Jack want's to go back to the island to get Claire, because that's his sister, and Aarons real mom and Kate doesn't want to give Aaron up now, so she's upset that he would want it.